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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: EyeballPaul on 15 October 2011, 17:05

Title: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 15 October 2011, 17:05
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150670293007

Saw these on ebay, i think they look about as close to OEM as you can get. They are not adaptive or duel, the high beam is a standard H7 buld. You dont need to change the BCM either so that would keep the cost down.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 15 October 2011, 18:23
im trying to confirm about any BCM issues as i have a 09 reg GTI, before i commit to buying. But cant really get an answer
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 15 October 2011, 18:30
I suspect the seller won't know for sure.

Personally I would expect them to be wired to pickup the normal halogen DRL or sidelight connections so getting the LED's to function as DRL's wouldn't take too much work.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 15 October 2011, 18:35
Steve

thanks, they look good to me, and if no change of the BCM is needed it would cost about a third of doing OEM ones.

Its the one thing on the car i with i would have had, but buying second hand i had to forfit some things

Where are you based Steve
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 15 October 2011, 18:45
I suspect the seller won't know for sure.

Personally I would expect them to be wired to pickup the normal halogen DRL or sidelight connections so getting the LED's to function as DRL's wouldn't take too much work.

+1 resistors are you friend  :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 15 October 2011, 18:49
Steve

thanks, they look good to me, and if no change of the BCM is needed it would cost about a third of doing OEM ones.

Its the one thing on the car i with i would have had, but buying second hand i had to forfit some things

Where are you based Steve

I work in West London and live in Oxfordshire.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 15 October 2011, 18:59
thanks, might take the plunge and buy them
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 15 October 2011, 19:04
thanks, might take the plunge and buy them

Just do it mate - gotta b better than OEM  :sick:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 15 October 2011, 19:36
Eyeball, go on golfmk6.com and have a look for the threads on there featuring lhd versions of these lights. Lots of photos particularly from Heartcoreboy who is a member on here with a few xxx kisses added to his name.
If I still had my 2009 GTI with halogens I'd have probably bought a set of these but mine still needed the BCM updating as my LED rears always threw a bulb out light  :angry:

Go for it and keep us updated with the results.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 15 October 2011, 19:40
Go for it as I am most interested too. If they work without any issues, I'll probably do the same.
Best of luck.  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 15 October 2011, 19:43
Go for it as I am most interested too. If they work without any issues, I'll probably do the same.
Best of luck.  :smiley:

 :laugh: Damn, I want my old car back now!!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 15 October 2011, 19:50
Go for it as I am most interested too. If they work without any issues, I'll probably do the same.
Best of luck.  :smiley:
:laugh: Damn, I want my old car back now!!!  :laugh:

Stop fishing you beatch.  :kiss:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 15 October 2011, 19:52
Moi?  :kiss:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 15 October 2011, 22:16
Thanks for the tip of were to see a review of the lights, found it, the only thing it seems with the lights is the LED's are not DRL's. They come on like a side light with the rears or with main lights on.

I think you could probably code it so they were on like DRL's

The lights say they have built in balasts, and an LED module hopefully this would stop any kind of blown bulb warning.

It wasnt mentioned anywhere about changing the BCM so im guessing these lights are wired so there is no need, ie not proper DRL's. Thats the only thing holding me back at the moment from getting them.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 16 October 2011, 08:14
Anything is possible, buy them.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 16 October 2011, 10:08
The LEDs could be set to work as DRLs I'm sure, there are some differences in how our North American cousins' cars are set up from the factory so I'm sure with a bit of tinkering the LEDs could be made to work as you want them.

They definately don't need a BCM upgrade from what I've read, that's why they still have a halogen main beam inner lamp in that the vehicle's electronics don't have to be significantly modified to run them and they won't require AFS modules and the like.

Just get them aimed up at an MOT station and away you go (check your insurance don't get shirty with them first though, that was one of the things that held me back).

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 16 October 2011, 14:32
Thanks for the info, was having a look at some guides on how to change the headlights.
Didnt realise you had to take off the front bumper, which makes things a little harder to do. But not anything a bit of time and patience could solve.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 October 2011, 14:37
Thanks for the info, was having a look at some guides on how to change the headlights.
Didnt realise you had to take off the front bumper, which makes things a little harder to do. But not anything a bit of time and patience could solve.

That's a bit of a pain I know, but if SteveP is helping you, he's a master at this.
Just check with your Insurance company how much such a modification will affect your Premium.
I checked with mine - Admiral - and they were ok with this type of mod.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 16 October 2011, 14:44
I think if i go for them SteveP will be the man to help me, sounds like he is a real VW master, once i actually buy the lights and ask him that is.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 October 2011, 14:48
I think if i go for them SteveP will be the man to help me, sounds like he is a real VW master, once i actually buy the lights and ask him that is.

He is the true master of all VW ceremonies and a really nice guy. I think he could build a Golf GTI from scratch and make a better job of it than VW.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 16 October 2011, 14:59
Only had my MK6 GTI about a month, after having a MK5. Love it so far just really want the xenons miss having them, as i had them on my MK5. Couldnt find a MK6 with the right spec and right price that had xenons. Just to expensive to go for OEM ones.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 16 October 2011, 15:09
Only had my MK6 GTI about a month, after having a MK5. Love it so far just really want the xenons miss having them, as i had them on my MK5. Couldnt find a MK6 with the right spec and right price that had xenons. Just to expensive to go for OEM ones.

When I specced my car I was too mean to factory order Xenons or Dynaudio. At least I ordered it with ACC which is wonderful.
IMVHO the 3 essentials to factory spec in order of importance are (1) ACC, (2) Xenons and (3) Dynaudio.
I ordered the first and had to spend a fortune on the third by way of an aftermarket system, though it sounds much better than the Dynaudio.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 16 October 2011, 20:19
Can anyone clear up a couple of things about the lights ive seen on Ebay, i have read a couple of posts stating that it is UK law that when xenons are fitted they must have auto levelling and headlamp washers.

My car does not have washers, and will not have auto levelling as i have halogens at the moment, the posts doesnt make it clear whether its only new cars out of factory that have to have these things, or anyone who fits aftermarket.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: SteveP on 16 October 2011, 21:04
But these are halogen projectors aren't they? If so then the rules for washers and levers aren't applicable.

As long as they lights are E marked and the beam pattern passes the MOT check then I can't see any issues running these.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 16 October 2011, 21:08
Oh ok i assumed they were like a standard xenon, not HID projection. Im no expert, but are these like a HID conversion then, but in a different lamp unlike some kits that fit in your existing lamps.

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 17 October 2011, 08:32
I thought we'd talked about these lights before?

My views on then are,

LED's are the parking lights. It may be possible to code them as DRL's, but then what will you use for parking lights?

Indicator is very same and very close to the HID dip beam lamp. This could make it hard to see in certain situations.

Although them look similar to OEM, people like us, and you deep down, will know they are fakes due to the additional main beam and indicator in the wrong place.

As for the legallities of needing washers and auto levelling, that's up to you and your MOT tester. They are certainly a million times better than converted reflector lamps, but do not comply 100%. I have a HID conversion in my 2004 Passat (OEM projectors) My tester said as long as the wiring looks factory and the beam pattern is ok, he's fine with them. They are not allowed to go rummaging for additional wiring and hidden ballast units. These Mk6 lights have them all built in, look like they should be plug and play, so they'd probably be ok.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 17 October 2011, 10:50
Thanks for all the advice, i found a 14 page thread on VWVortex about the LHD version of the lights, most people seem pleased with them, but cannot code the LED's as DRL's no matter what they try.

There has also been a few people that have had issues with the lights flickering, due to ballasts not wired great. Think im gonna wait on this one. The last thing i want is to fit them and then have lots of problems and have to replace ballasts ect.

Think ill spend my hard earned on other stuff first, ie rear parking sensors(wife will reverse into something soon), premium Bluetoothe as i have the touch stsyem at the moment, them maybe some carbon parts, rear diffuser and wing mirriors.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Spin 150pd on 18 October 2011, 10:09
Thanks for all the advice, i found a 14 page thread on VWVortex about the LHD version of the lights, most people seem pleased with them, but cannot code the LED's as DRL's no matter what they try.

There has also been a few people that have had issues with the lights flickering, due to ballasts not wired great. Think im gonna wait on this one. The last thing i want is to fit them and then have lots of problems and have to replace ballasts ect.

Think ill spend my hard earned on other stuff first, ie rear parking sensors(wife will reverse into something soon), premium Bluetoothe as i have the touch stsyem at the moment, them maybe some carbon parts, rear diffuser and wing mirriors.

It seems we all reach the same conclusion with retro fitting xenons,  lesson learned for me,  must have oem xenon next time around :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 18 October 2011, 13:16
A definate lesson learnt, i need to win some money to afford all the parts to get OEM ones done.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 18 October 2011, 14:38
A definate lesson learnt, i need to win some money to afford all the parts to get OEM ones done.

If you managed to save the money to buy the car, surely you can save up for some headlights?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 18 October 2011, 15:01
FYI - regarding Xenons/HID aftermarket fitments.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=209327.0
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 19 October 2011, 07:30
Anyone actually going to but these???
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 20 October 2011, 05:08
The temptation will be too much for someone to resist for much longer.
Good job I changed cars or I reckon it'd be me!!!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 20 October 2011, 08:05
Not me baby - I'm OEM all the way  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 20 October 2011, 09:46
Nearly was me, but not brave enough. Will have to let someone else take the plunge first.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 20 October 2011, 11:54
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24942

Look no bad!  :cool:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 October 2011, 20:08
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24942
Look no bad!  :cool:

Kenny: Please take the plunge for old time's sake. :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 20 October 2011, 20:15
I need to haggle! 535 is a bit steep don't you think?? Group buy??
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 20 October 2011, 20:25
I need to haggle! 535 is a bit steep don't you think?? Group buy??

I agree about the cost. £450 and I'd buy straight away. £499.99, I'll need a bit of arm twisting.

Will we get any interested parties, I wonder.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 20 October 2011, 21:14
http://www.dnauto.co.uk/Golf_MK6_Xenon_Headlights/p912216_4682166.aspx

They are only £519 on the main websight, ive attatched the link, i would be interested.

The only thing that put me off was a few people had problems with flickering, mainly to do with the ballasts, either not wired well enough or replacing them. There is about 14 pages on the Vortex websight of people who have fitted them, most seem happy.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 20 October 2011, 22:19
I had a look on vortex and could not see a thing. Could you post a link??

£400 and I would be interested, just because the price these were bought from china were so cheap!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 21 October 2011, 00:33
All I want are the fairy lights to be my DRLs as Exonian has them now. I don't mind about the rest of the bulbs in this contraption. Oh, will the manual height adjustment function with these?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 21 October 2011, 07:19
From what I have read the fairy lights work as sidelights Asker. But I am sure some of the vag com/electrical experts will change that in due time!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 21 October 2011, 07:24
IMHO

Vag com experts would be there for a month of Sundays trying to do that mate, you'd just need to rewire the lamps a little  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 21 October 2011, 08:25
From what I have read the fairy lights work as sidelights Asker. But I am sure some of the vag com/electrical experts will change that in due time!

But if the fairy lights are used as overly bright parking lights, what will you use for DRL's? Not have any I guess.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 21 October 2011, 09:28
From what i read the manual height adjustment still works, but nobody could get the LED's to run as true DRL's. Have to have your side lights on, a shame as your rears would be on.

I will try to find the link when i get home that had about 14 pages of people who had fitted the lights. Very few had problems, but knowing my luck i would be one of them.

They do look good, so much better than the clumbsy Halogens, i put Phillips Blue Vision ultra in mine. It really whitened the lights.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 21 October 2011, 09:51
Found it mate thanks. Will have a read through it on my lunch break.

Interested in a group buy?

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 21 October 2011, 10:47
I would be, SteveP said he could help with the fitting round my neck of the woods. The lights are soppost to be plug and play, with just the beem needing adjustment in a garage to correctly line them up.

I read on the long thread that a few people had probs with one on the lights not comming on so they have to do some coding on VCDS. But i think this was mainly to do with US cars not being able to turn off their DRL's like we can, as you need to do that befor you install the lights.

I cant find the link i read a few days ago but there was about 14 pages, nearly all the people who had fitted the lights were really pleased with them, just a few had some issues, but i think you get a 12 month warranty with them so thats ok.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Spin 150pd on 21 October 2011, 12:34
I would be, SteveP said he could help with the fitting round my neck of the woods. The lights are soppost to be plug and play, with just the beem needing adjustment in a garage to correctly line them up.

I read on the long thread that a few people had probs with one on the lights not comming on so they have to do some coding on VCDS. But i think this was mainly to do with US cars not being able to turn off their DRL's like we can, as you need to do that befor you install the lights.

I cant find the link i read a few days ago but there was about 14 pages, nearly all the people who had fitted the lights were really pleased with them, just a few had some issues, but i think you get a 12 month warranty with them so thats ok.

If we can get the price down to around £450 or lower I'd join a GB,  to the untrained eye it looks very oem and much cheaper than buying another car with xenons fitted,  I like the look of them a lot,  would finish the front of my car off nicely
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 21 October 2011, 12:56
Been in contact so will post when i hear back.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Spin 150pd on 21 October 2011, 13:25
Been in contact so will post when i hear back.

Thank you  :cool:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 21 October 2011, 19:19
guy got back to me asking how many would be interested? Need number now folks.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 21 October 2011, 19:27
guy got back to me asking how many would be interested? Need number now folks.

I am.

If:
(1) The fairy lights can be used as DRLs.
(2) Obtain SteveP's help with the electrics. Can get them fitted by my bodyshop. I'll PM him shortly and see if he can offer this additional help.

Thanks Kenny and EyeballPaul for the leg work.
How much will they cost with all the bits and pieces, please?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Spin 150pd on 22 October 2011, 11:13
guy got back to me asking how many would be interested? Need number now folks.

I am.

If:
(1) The fairy lights can be used as DRLs.
(2) Obtain SteveP's help with the electrics. Can get them fitted by my bodyshop. I'll PM him shortly and see if he can offer this additional help.

Thanks Kenny and EyeballPaul for the leg work.
How much will they cost with all the bits and pieces, please?

As above,  as long as plug and play very happy to joinin,  perhaps we could have a mini meet somewhere convenient to Steve and make it worth his while fitting/wiring the kits,  just an idea ?

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 22 October 2011, 11:15
They are plug in and play all you need to do is turn off your drls, and the LEDs act as sidelights not drls folks.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Exonian on 22 October 2011, 11:19
Your LEDs can be used as sidelights and thus as (sidelight) DRLs too. Your rear lights will also be on but if you have LED tails that's no bad thing as you can show them off at the same time as the fronts.

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 22 October 2011, 12:05
I have my present Halogens on 'Auto' with my DRLs on. That's how I like it and wish it to remain if possible.

With these new lights, which I love the look of, I still want to remain in 'Auto' mode with the LEDs acting as DRLs. Now, when the dipped beam is automatically activated will the fairy lights still be on? With my present set-up when the dipped beam is activated, the parking lights are also activated and the DRLs turn off.

Therefore, I presume, as the fairy lights act both as DRLs and Parking Lights, they will remain lit all the time, day or night.

Regarding what happens to the rear LEDs is also of some concern to me. It would be nice if they are allowed to work normally and not be lit all the time.   
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 22 October 2011, 12:30
I have my present Halogens on 'Auto' with my DRLs on. That's how I like it and wish it to remain if possible.

With these new lights, which I love the look of, I still want to remain in 'Auto' mode with the LEDs acting as DRLs. Now, when the dipped beam is automatically activated will the fairy lights still be on? With my present set-up when the dipped beam is activated, the parking lights are also activated and the DRLs turn off.

Therefore, I presume, as the fairy lights act both as DRLs and Parking Lights, they will remain lit all the time, day or night.

Regarding what happens to the rear LEDs is also of some concern to me. It would be nice if they are allowed to work normally and not be lit all the time.   

Not sure why you have an issue with rear lights being on as I know several of the guys over on ASN have coded theirs to do this alongside the LED DRL's. 

All sounding very promising though isn't it ?! :)
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 22 October 2011, 13:12
Yes, sounding very promising.

I am glad the manual leveller also works with them.

Basically, it's the fairy lights I am after (BLING!!!) and the OEM Xenon looks.

Must also Bluefin the car very soon. Hate calling the Insurance Company and telling them. They'll add £100 to my yearly Premium.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: SteveP on 22 October 2011, 19:51
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 22 October 2011, 19:54
Mr.P: For you it has to be champagne! :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 22 October 2011, 20:07
Mr.P: For you it has to be champagne! :smiley:

Agreed,  SteveP you are a legend,  never spoke to you but read many threads and you are always so helpful - a real enthusiast :cool:

Let me know the next track event you are attending and I'll try and attend and perhaps discuss further :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: SteveP on 22 October 2011, 20:08
Mr.P: For you it has to be champagne! :smiley:

Agreed,  SteveP you are a legend,  never spoke to you but read many threads and you are always so helpful - a real enthusiast :cool:

Let me know the next track event you are attending and I'll try and attend and perhaps discuss further :smiley:

You might not fancy the trip to my next track day / event, as it's in Belgium, at Spa :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 22 October 2011, 20:25
Mr.P: For you it has to be champagne! :smiley:

Agreed,  SteveP you are a legend,  never spoke to you but read many threads and you are always so helpful - a real enthusiast :cool:

Let me know the next track event you are attending and I'll try and attend and perhaps discuss further :smiley:

You might not fancy the trip to my next track day / event, as it's in Belgium, at Spa :grin: :grin:

Lucky you Steve - definetly on my to do list that one but out of my pocket for the moment.  Oulton park next for me on NOvember 4th :)

Hope this lights thing comes off,  could do with a few more interested parties...

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 22 October 2011, 21:00
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:

Nice One Steve! My postcode is KA22 7PP! :drool: :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: SteveP on 22 October 2011, 21:01
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:

Nice One Steve! My postcode is KA22 7PP! :drool: :grin:

 :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 23 October 2011, 18:00
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:

Nice One Steve! My postcode is KA22 7PP! :drool: :grin:

If you fancy a drive to Manchester I'm happy to help  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 24 October 2011, 09:18
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:

Nice One Steve! My postcode is KA22 7PP! :drool: :grin:

If you fancy a drive to Manchester I'm happy to help  :wink:

Everyone on here is so helpful  :kiss:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 24 October 2011, 15:30
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:

Nice One Steve! My postcode is KA22 7PP! :drool: :grin:

If you fancy a drive to Manchester I'm happy to help  :wink:

Everyone on here is so helpful  :kiss:
And gay!
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 24 October 2011, 17:01
Happy to help anyone with fitting of these for some beer tokens  :smiley:

Nice One Steve! My postcode is KA22 7PP! :drool: :grin:

If you fancy a drive to Manchester I'm happy to help  :wink:

Everyone on here is so helpful  :kiss:
And gay!
 :rolleyes:


I though this was a plug and play - no drilling required :laugh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: sundaydriver on 26 October 2011, 19:00
Back on topic, the seller on ebay seem's a little dodgy to me especially if his recent feedback is anything to go by (he's upset someone on a forum!):sad:

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=dan_n*&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=8&page=1 (http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=dan_n*&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=8&page=1)

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 27 October 2011, 09:04
Back on topic, the seller on ebay seem's a little dodgy to me especially if his recent feedback is anything to go by (he's upset someone on a forum!):sad:

http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=dan_n*&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=8&page=1 (http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=dan_n*&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&interval=0&mPg=8&page=1)



I took a look on e-bay and he lives in the UK,  looks like he operates from his home address - nothing wrong with that but worth noting.  He (Dan) did also reply to an e-mail I sent asking him about his location,  his reply was the a vague or careful UK depending on how you percieve it.  I offered to take my car to him so we could fit them if tryuly plug and play and take some marketing photos - No response for this one.

I think until I can view a set on and working I'm unlikely to take the plunge from this sort of outlet as I would worry about poor customer service in the event of any issues.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Exonian on 27 October 2011, 15:49
Hmmm, you can read all sorts into the ebay feedback as it doesn't say it's a bad product or anything, just that someone has had their nose put out of joint by his marketing on forums.
But forums are exactly where Dan will find the sort of customers he's seeking so fair play to him up to a point.
The feedback could well have been given by someone who has had their nose put out of joint as he's undercut them on an overseas forum thanks to the favourable exchange rates!!

The warranty issue would certainly be a worry long term. Short term you're covered by PayPal.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 27 October 2011, 21:33
Has anybody bought a pair of these yet?

The car kit group buy as come, been paid for and gone  :grin:

I can help out any fitting at my place any time the week starting 6th November if it helps as we're on a two week shut down  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 27 October 2011, 21:39
Dan has posted on this forum before, so he is registered here i assume
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Exonian on 28 October 2011, 05:00
Has anybody bought a pair of these yet?

The car kit group buy as come, been paid for and gone  :grin:

I can help out any fitting at my place any time the week starting 6th November if it helps as we're on a two week shut down  :smiley:

Going out on strike Doc?  :laugh:

The other group buy was for reputable OEM bits not Chinese knock offs. Admittedly very sexy Chinese knock offs but none the less ....
I'm trying not to mention £15k plus cars and warranties again!!!
Title: I have these on my car (RHD)
Post by: spydar on 28 October 2011, 05:45
Hi everyone,
I'm in Australia and I have recently bought and put these on my car.  Not sure I can link to another forum but I did a review here:
http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?6474-Product-Review-Replica-OEM-HID-Headlamps-for-halogen-cars (http://www.vwgolf.net.au/showthread.php?6474-Product-Review-Replica-OEM-HID-Headlamps-for-halogen-cars)

I got them specially made for RHD.  I love them. Way cheaper then buying the OEM setup.  Although the LED DRL's replace the park lights, so they arent true DRL's.  You have to have the lights on 'park" or "on" for them to work, which means your tail lights will be on too. 

Cheers
Ian
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Exonian on 28 October 2011, 05:58
Nice review Ian  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 28 October 2011, 07:41
Sure is, I've stolen the vag com part ;-)


The main coding changes required were:

- Vagcom -> 09 Cent Elec -> Long Coding -> Byte 14 -> Tick Bit 3 (Xenons with shutters installed feature) - this fixed the flickering issue.
- Vagcom -> 09 Cent Elec -> Long Coding -> Byte 18 -> Set to 15 (or 3B)
- Also another tick for DRL's was required in the Long Coding for the 09 Cent Elec module but I can't remember the Byte number! It was above 18 though...

The Byte 18 setting is more so for the R tails...however it does have an impact on the DRLs as well.
Certain Byte 18 codings resulted in bulb out errors, no DRL's, different brightnesses for the tails and other weird settings (or a combination of all). On Ian's GTI setting Byte 18 to 15 or 3B resulted in no errors, correct brightness for R tails and functioning headlights/DRLs. This setting will vary depending upon what car you have (and year model). The best source of information is this thread:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...1#post65930137
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 28 October 2011, 08:50
Nice write up Ian! Would love to get these just now but just booked up to go to Dublin next weekend with the lads! Lots of £££'s being next weekend! Hopefully get them before xmas!  :laugh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 28 October 2011, 09:01
Would be changing the D2H 5000K to a 6000K to match the leds.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 28 October 2011, 09:06
What a superb review by our australian friend.  The pics are great as any concerns over quality are dispelled.

Shall i go first then?!? :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 28 October 2011, 12:10
I wish someone would go first, i started this then bottled it, wasnt brave enough
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: spydar on 28 October 2011, 13:51
Glad you like the review guys.  I was very nervous too about buying them.  Then when we installed them and I had major issues with the lights not working and doing crazy things like flickering.... and I thought..."cheap Chinese knock offs!". But once the codes were done correctly (as someone has  posted here from our learnings) they  work just fine.

I've been told there are a few chinese manufacturers making these, so hopefully your supplier has the same one as mine.

If you have the cash...just do it!  I did and glad I did so.
Keen to see others with RHD cars install these too.  I'm the only one in Australia by the looks with these.

If anyone has any questions feel free to hit me.
Ian

PS.  If you guys want me to help organise a group deal via my contact. Let me know.  I worked out purchasing from supplier was around a$100 cheaper then your UK ebayer.

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 28 October 2011, 14:52
The guy who is advertising these lights has his own websight, that states the HID bulbs are 6000K so think they should match the slighhtly blue LED's, rather than the 5000K bulbs our Australian friend has fitted.

As for having to have self levellers and headlamp washers, SteveP pointed out earlier in this thread, they are not true xenons but HID projectors so dont come under the same law so would not need the parts as mentioned. That would keep the cost down further.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 28 October 2011, 15:34


As for having to have self levellers and headlamp washers, SteveP pointed out earlier in this thread, they are not true xenons but HID projectors so dont come under the same law so would not need the parts as mentioned. That would keep the cost down further.

I'm not sure but perhaps the law is slightly different in Oz.

Could be worth taking him up on the offer of seeing if he could improve on the price plus we would know we are getting the same product that he has been so satisfied with ?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 28 October 2011, 15:44

As for having to have self levellers and headlamp washers, SteveP pointed out earlier in this thread, they are not true xenons but HID projectors so dont come under the same law so would not need the parts as mentioned. That would keep the cost down further.

If you look back to page 3 and my link there you will see that you will need washers and levellers as of 2012.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: dnauto on 29 October 2011, 03:23
hi, im dan the guy selling these headlights on www.dnauto.co.uk (http://www.dnauto.co.uk), i came back onto forum to help with your questions. please dont report me for spamming and bid on my e-bay items and not pay for them just to leave a negative feedback for spamming forums - thanks :)

firstly i am selling with 10% discount only until midday today as stated on website, this price is rock bottom - literally break even, reason is to attract buyer through forums so that way reviews can be made which will help me. also delivery is very expensive as they weigh about 16-18kg and are very well packed in individual boxes then put inside wooden crate for safety which adds alot of weight.

i have sold a few of these to france they seem very popular there, you can see my ebay feedback (the french ones) they have reported no problems.

reading back in the thread it seams you have the right idea about coding, without the light will not operate correctly. i dont know what coding is required im not a expert but make sure you have someone with vagcom on hand.

the main benefit of this is that you need to make no modifications to vehicle hardware (wiring etc) hence 'plug and play' claim. and that is where these start becoming alot cheaper than a oem retro-fit. also leds are not DRL's they are side lights but im told can be used as DRL but they not as bright as the DRL lights.

i have close connection to manufacturer and full technical support from them, all their products are very good quality and never had any complaints and very good ebay feedback, they also offer 1 year warranty on faulty components (bulbs, ballast lenses etc) but wont warrant the actual casing if it gets damages etc, but is fully insured on delivery against damage in transit - So Check Them Before You Sign!!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 29 October 2011, 07:13
Hello Dan.

Firstly welcome to the forum, I think you'll find nobody on here would bid on your goods for the hell of it....

As you can see quite a few people on here at interested in your product but many are sceptical about quality, fitting, looks etc.

If you have a set of these headlamps or can get a set why not bring them over to my place and I'll either fit them to my car (ive fitted orm xenons myself) or preferably fit them to a potential buyers car from here so we can see what's what?

In return I won't charge for the labour etc and you'll get an honest and unbiased review of the headlamps and a "how to" made for fitting the headlamps including bumper removal etc along instruction on how to code the lamps via vagcom.

I'm sure that once you get a glowing review stickied here you'll find your sales will increase considerably and also please note this site is very, very popula with google rankings - works for me try typing "golf gtd remap" into google.

Once this is done I'd suggest you paythe £50 to become a forum trader here and start to build a reputation for being a good supplier of these headlamps ASAP before someone else here reads this and does it themselves.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=156930.0

Or don't  :rolleyes:

Regards
Craig
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 29 October 2011, 08:28
Top idea, i would almost definately buy a set if i could see a UK review of a set actually fitted, as i think alot of other people would do the same.

Go on Dan, lets get these lights checked out. The amout of interest this has generated has got to be worth it.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 29 October 2011, 10:26
@Doc: Wonderful idea.

@Dan: Welcome. As Doc says it is highly unlikely that any of us would have done such a mean thing to you. Don't worry, we can see through that negative and pretty nasty reaction. I think the offer Doc has extended is excellent and would really help you with your sales. There are quite a few of us without OEM Xenons and thus you probably have a captive audience/market.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 October 2011, 10:27
 :lipsrsealed:  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 29 October 2011, 10:40
Lol you got your already  :huh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 29 October 2011, 10:53
Hello Dan.

Firstly welcome to the forum, I think you'll find nobody on here would bid on your goods for the hell of it....

As you can see quite a few people on here at interested in your product but many are sceptical about quality, fitting, looks etc.

If you have a set of these headlamps or can get a set why not bring them over to my place and I'll either fit them to my car (ive fitted orm xenons myself) or preferably fit them to a potential buyers car from here so we can see what's what?

In return I won't charge for the labour etc and you'll get an honest and unbiased review of the headlamps and a "how to" made for fitting the headlamps including bumper removal etc along instruction on how to code the lamps via vagcom.

I'm sure that once you get a glowing review stickied here you'll find your sales will increase considerably and also please note this site is very, very popula with google rankings - works for me try typing "golf gtd remap" into google.

Once this is done I'd suggest you paythe £50 to become a forum trader here and start to build a reputation for being a good supplier of these headlamps ASAP before someone else here reads this and does it themselves.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=156930.0

Or don't  :rolleyes:

Regards
Craig


I volunteer my car and will make the journey to suit all parties,  can either pay cash or paypal.

Seems like a great offer Dan that will generate plenty of business for the sake of a day out up north,  I'm sure many of the members would love to buy them but have the same reservations as myself,  I have e-mailed you a couple of times about this.
Doc this is a very generous offer of yours to give up your time for Forum members,  I will make sure you are rewarded with beer/wine tokens if it comes off.

I can't afford or justify the lights but if as good as advertised I so want them,  early xmas present ?!?
PM or mail me and we can exchange mobiles to organise.

Spindler66@googlemail.com.

Chec out my E-bay ID to see I am genuine..

Spin150pd.

In your hands dan......thanks again to the Doc
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 October 2011, 11:50
Mine are ordered! Can't wait to get them :cool:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 29 October 2011, 12:26
Cool stuff - get your groove on Dan and get over to the bat-cave  :wink:

When are yours due Kenny?

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 29 October 2011, 12:59
Mine are ordered! Can't wait to get them :cool:

Are you taking advanatge of the Doc's kind offer Ken ?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 29 October 2011, 13:09
Cool stuff - get your groove on Dan and get over to the bat-cave  :wink:

When are yours due Kenny?



Doc can you PM me how much you will charge to fit and code if I have missed the boat on this offer ?

Cheers

Martin
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 29 October 2011, 14:26
Not much  :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: dnauto on 29 October 2011, 15:51
Hello Dan.

Firstly welcome to the forum, I think you'll find nobody on here would bid on your goods for the hell of it....

As you can see quite a few people on here at interested in your product but many are sceptical about quality, fitting, looks etc.

If you have a set of these headlamps or can get a set why not bring them over to my place and I'll either fit them to my car (ive fitted orm xenons myself) or preferably fit them to a potential buyers car from here so we can see what's what?

In return I won't charge for the labour etc and you'll get an honest and unbiased review of the headlamps and a "how to" made for fitting the headlamps including bumper removal etc along instruction on how to code the lamps via vagcom.

I'm sure that once you get a glowing review stickied here you'll find your sales will increase considerably and also please note this site is very, very popula with google rankings - works for me try typing "golf gtd remap" into google.

Once this is done I'd suggest you paythe £50 to become a forum trader here and start to build a reputation for being a good supplier of these headlamps ASAP before someone else here reads this and does it themselves.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=156930.0

Or don't  :rolleyes:

Regards
Craig


thanks for that m8, i like the sound of that...

havent got any stock at the moment, but still taking orders but its 14working day delivery time, when they come perhaps i could offer a customer free or cheap fitting service and bring to you, that way you get to see before you buy, everyone get the review they looking for and i would definately pay the £50 to the website.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: dnauto on 29 October 2011, 16:10
infact i will pay the £50 now to the forum, its worth it. then i can advertise the mk5 & passat headlights :)
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: dnauto on 29 October 2011, 17:52
anyone know about the rear LED lights? is coding required?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 29 October 2011, 20:12
Cool, works well for all.

LEDs for the rear need coding yes - Ill give you a crash course in bumper removal / lamp fitting and VCDS coding.

I'll pm JV re making you a forum trader - thanks ;-)


May I suggest Spin 150pd as your test subject?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 30 October 2011, 17:46
Sounds good to me!

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 04 November 2011, 06:38
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 04 November 2011, 21:37
What's going on with this - I have a few weeks clear then I'll be unable to help for months  :sad:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 04 November 2011, 22:05
i wish Dan would let us know on this one as i am very interested
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: dnauto on 05 November 2011, 01:03
stock will be here soon.  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 05 November 2011, 06:30
Good, what's the plan?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 07 November 2011, 15:28
I'm still willing to be the guinea pig,  if Dan lets us know when the stock is we can get this organised before I spend the money on a Sat Nav on the other GB :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 07 November 2011, 20:22
Think I will be the guinea pig on these  :wink: ordered them lastweek! Can't wait!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 07 November 2011, 20:32
I really hope these lights work ok, i really hate the look of my halogens. Will have my rear LED's by Friday, so the mods begin.

 I ordered an Editon35 gearknob and gaitor from a German websight, £163 including delivery as my original GTI one is really scratched. So thought i might as get an ED35 mone as it was the same price as a standard on.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Jimmymature on 14 November 2011, 19:30
I really hope these lights work ok, i really hate the look of my halogens. Will have my rear LED's by Friday, so the mods begin.

 I ordered an Editon35 gearknob and gaitor from a German websight, £163 including delivery as my original GTI one is really scratched. So thought i might as get an ED35 mone as it was the same price as a standard on.

It's all gone very quiet from the sellers perspective! If I had a chance for a major sales opportunity I'd be updating everyone here........



Jim
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 14 November 2011, 19:32
Hope mine arrive this week! Will do a full review on arrival and fitted!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 15 November 2011, 11:53
Guys just to give you another option www.thetradepartsspecialists.co.uk/ will do the the pair for £620 inc vat if you are trade or you are lucky enough to buy from a tps dealer who sells to the public. Good luck
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Jimmymature on 15 November 2011, 12:16
Guys just to give you another option www.thetradepartsspecialists.co.uk/ will do the the pair for £620 inc vat if you are trade or you are lucky enough to buy from a tps dealer who sells to the public. Good luck

Are these OEM or "fake"?


Jim
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 15 November 2011, 12:24
Guys just to give you another option www.thetradepartsspecialists.co.uk/ will do the the pair for £620 inc vat if you are trade or you are lucky enough to buy from a tps dealer who sells to the public. Good luck

Are these OEM or "fake"?


Jim

Jim TPS only do oem buddy.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 15 November 2011, 13:31
Does £620 include all that is required,  bulbs etc ?

As much as I love the Golf I have I'm considering selling up to get a car with xenons as really miss not only the output but the look too :(
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 15 November 2011, 13:46
Does £620 include all that is required,  bulbs etc ?
As much as I love the Golf I have I'm considering selling up to get a car with xenons as really miss not only the output but the look too :(

Selling a car just because it is Xenonless? Lordy me, you are in a spin! :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 15 November 2011, 14:04
Does £620 include all that is required,  bulbs etc ?
As much as I love the Golf I have I'm considering selling up to get a car with xenons as really miss not only the output but the look too :(

Selling a car just because it is Xenonless? Lordy me, you are in a spin! :grin:


Buying the Golf was impulsive as I loved the look of it at a BMW franchise but unusually for me I did'nt do all my homework.  I now find I wished I had not just the xenons but also the LED rears which combined equal a spend of around £1,100.  I paid an exceptionally low price for the GTi so wouldn't lose much if I Pxed against something else so I have to decide which route to take,  might even buy back my old S3.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 15 November 2011, 14:14
Does £620 include all that is required,  bulbs etc ?

As much as I love the Golf I have I'm considering selling up to get a car with xenons as really miss not only the output but the look too :(

That price was trade and the chap i spoke to at TPS said it included complete lights and kit to fit. You may have to have the new loom at the back of the light to accomadate them which just plugs in abit like the led rears and may be an additional cost. I spoke to the guy at Hazy Days and he said it was no major surgery.

Sorry spin i have to say mate my post was only another option you may wish to try and if you want more info then ring TPS as ive got some flak for presenting other options in the past. Good luck with it if you go that way as im going to get some for mine off them. Cheers Chillly
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 15 November 2011, 15:12
Spin: You can't be serious wanting to re-buy your ancient S3? March forwards or stay still.
I won't be spending anymore on poor Wolfgang, apart from a new/mint Monza Shadow, as I am now eagerly waiting for my Mk7 GTI after the first quarter of 2013. Can't wait.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 15 November 2011, 15:27
Spin: You can't be serious wanting to re-buy your ancient S3? March forwards or stay still.
I won't be spending anymore, apart from a new/mint Monza Shadow as I am now eagerly waiting for my Mk7 GTI after the first quarter of 2013. Can't wait.
My ancient S3 is actually newer than the Golf - a 2010 model v 2009 and was built to my exact spec,  I decided to get sensible after 7 months of ownership and get a TT TDI as one of the slowest depreciating cars but hated the gearbox/engine combo.
Luckily at the time a good friend of mine was general sales manager at an Audi delaership so I was well looked after.

An affordable solution to xenons and LED rears would sort it for me.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Spin 150pd on 15 November 2011, 15:30
Does £620 include all that is required,  bulbs etc ?

As much as I love the Golf I have I'm considering selling up to get a car with xenons as really miss not only the output but the look too :(

That price was trade and the chap i spoke to at TPS said it included complete lights and kit to fit. You may have to have the new loom at the back of the light to accomadate them which just plugs in abit like the led rears and may be an additional cost. I spoke to the guy at Hazy Days and he said it was no major surgery.

Sorry spin i have to say mate my post was only another option you may wish to try and if you want more info then ring TPS as ive got some flak for presenting other options in the past. Good luck with it if you go that way as im going to get some for mine off them. Cheers Chillly
Thanks Chilly much appreciated,  spoke to Hazy Days earlier in the year,  they wanted £1400+ for old type lights (non LED DRL).
I know it shouldn't be so important but once you have had xenons its hard to adapt.  Your advice very much appreciated :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: R32UK on 15 November 2011, 15:30
I went from a mk5 with xenons to a mk6 without and now back to xenons again. I do alot of my driving in darkness on country roads, but I really havent noticed a huge difference both with or without  :undecided:

Up to you I guess spin... but not worth the extra cash unless spec'd from new
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 15 November 2011, 15:56
Does £620 include all that is required,  bulbs etc ?

As much as I love the Golf I have I'm considering selling up to get a car with xenons as really miss not only the output but the look too :(

That price was trade and the chap i spoke to at TPS said it included complete lights and kit to fit. You may have to have the new loom at the back of the light to accomadate them which just plugs in abit like the led rears and may be an additional cost. I spoke to the guy at Hazy Days and he said it was no major surgery.

Sorry spin i have to say mate my post was only another option you may wish to try and if you want more info then ring TPS as ive got some flak for presenting other options in the past. Good luck with it if you go that way as im going to get some for mine off them. Cheers Chillly
Thanks Chilly much appreciated,  spoke to Hazy Days earlier in the year,  they wanted £1400+ for old type lights (non LED DRL).
I know it shouldn't be so important but once you have had xenons its hard to adapt.  Your advice very much appreciated :smiley:

Spin i join these forums to be helped and to help others along the way of enjoying my GTI and saving a few quid along the way. You learn so much from people and enjoy it so much more. Good luck and enjoy as xenons look awesome and when you see them coming down the road the first thing you say is i WANT some :cool:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 15 November 2011, 16:18
Sorry spin i have to say mate my post was only another option you may wish to try and if you want more info then ring TPS as ive got some flak for presenting other options in the past. Good luck with it if you go that way as im going to get some for mine off them. Cheers Chillly

It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it  :wink:

On topic - ANY pics of these TPS ones please?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 15 November 2011, 16:33
Sorry spin i have to say mate my post was only another option you may wish to try and if you want more info then ring TPS as ive got some flak for presenting other options in the past. Good luck with it if you go that way as im going to get some for mine off them. Cheers Chillly

It ain't what you do it's the way that you do it  :wink:

On topic - ANY pics of these TPS ones please?

Fun boy 3 springs to mind. Doc if you click the web site for TPS you will see they are oem and get all there stuff from VW uk and if anyone wants to check ring. And to be honest mate im not doing any more than that. Sorry Doc but all ive done is say try these or try those. Come on Doc you can see i do not own these companies and all im trying to do is help and be helped and enjoy my car.

I mean someone said to me we dont want to Know about Non oem wheels and you look at there posts and they are interested in non oem headlights. Talk about have ago at me and for what helpling. Doc we will leave it at that mate as im here to enjoy and help and be helped. No reply needed mate peace!!!!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 15 November 2011, 17:27
Spin:
If your GTI is an early 2009 model, your electronics might have problems supporting Xenons and rear LEDs. Exonian had problems with his previous 2009 GTI. He got bulb out warnings with the rear LEDs and his BCM would not support Bi-Xenons. Considering this, you might be right in wanting to ditch this car for a newer model or a complete change of make. Whatever you do, best of luck.
In fact, I went through the Bi-Xenon fracas and eventually felt it was not worth the hassle. One forum member who is most educated on this subject and on all subjects relating to Golf Mk6s is mike. who has done a complete Bi-Xenon installation without cutting any corners. He can give you clear and detailed answers to all your questions. Also, look at the Bi-Xenon installation thread.

Chillly:
Your contributions are helpful and provide a fresh take on some tired subjects. Regarding my wishes to purchase non-OEM lights and an OEM wheel for my car has an absolute logic. (a) For the lights: my BCM will not support a full Xenon install including the cornering and levelling function so a plug and play system with OEM looks would be nice and (b) I need to replace a non mint OEM wheel with a similar one.
I have given up on the lights for now but not the wheel.
Apart from having no Xenons, my car is fully loaded (it even has smoked LED rears) and not having these has stopped bothering me. So, I just went out and spent an extra £2200 on my sound system which gives me more pleasure than some lights which don't really improve my enjoyment of the car to any degree. For me, the essential option which holds sway over all titivations, is: ACC. It gives the car a triple personality.

And that is that. :smiley:

Oh, it's hell typing on a B'berry and with one arm/hand!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: SteveP on 15 November 2011, 18:37
Chilly, I suspect TPS aren't giving you the full story, there is loads of parts involved and from conversations I have had with a local dealer there is no chance your going to get all the parts for that price.

Also TPS won't supply the extra bits like wiring adapters.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Jimmymature on 15 November 2011, 19:24
Chilly, I suspect TPS aren't giving you the full story, there is loads of parts involved and from conversations I have had with a local dealer there is no chance your going to get all the parts for that price.

Also TPS won't supply the extra bits like wiring adapters.

In your experience Steve how much would OEM Xenons cost (not fairy light version)


Cheers,


Jim
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: SteveP on 15 November 2011, 19:26
Not priced it up for a while, but much nearer £1k at trade prices when you include the everything as new OEM parts.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Jimmymature on 15 November 2011, 19:31
Not priced it up for a while, but much nearer £1k at trade prices when you include the everything as new OEM parts.

 :cry:


Thanks Steve.

Jim
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: am1w on 15 November 2011, 19:48
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=165998.0

It's THE THREAD of threads!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 17 November 2011, 16:50
Chilly, I suspect TPS aren't giving you the full story, there is loads of parts involved and from conversations I have had with a local dealer there is no chance your going to get all the parts for that price.

Also TPS won't supply the extra bits like wiring adapters.

Yes steve you can say that again. After making another phone call and quoting the price they had given me previously was indeed like i said £620 for the lights and no kit, the chap told me he thought it came with bulbs and just had to buy the looms etc etc seperate.

So the final Tally is £1,278 inc vat.

Which includes for mk6 2 lights 2 looms 2 control units and 2 sets of bulbs. So your £1000 is cheap for oem mate. Is that cheap god knows but compared to Hazy Days at £1450 + vat its a saving. Knowing you guys you could possibly make a saving by buying the lights and sourcing the looms control units and bulbs else where. I look forward to eating more humble pie :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 17 November 2011, 17:32
Then you have to fit them - which isn't fun - I'm about to do a full install on Mrs Docs TIG, I have the lamp units complete with ECCS and bulbs but intend fitting the cornering unit, self levelling and headlamp wash  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Chillly on 17 November 2011, 17:46
Then you have to fit them - which isn't fun - I'm about to do a full install on Mrs Docs TIG, I have the lamp units complete with ECCS and bulbs but intend fitting the cornering unit, self levelling and headlamp wash  :smiley:

Yes Doc and that was without the cornering unit and self levelling system. Im full up now Doc so no more pie please :sad:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 17 November 2011, 18:20
 :wink:

Where are these retro fit units were playing with then or are you giving it a miss now?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 17 November 2011, 20:17
Customs at Heathrow! A minor glitch, hopefully be here next week  :angry:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: The Doc on 21 November 2011, 10:15
FFS - how long has it been?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: KennyGTI on 21 November 2011, 11:37
3 weeks! A set of OEM lights went for sale on Ebay lastweek for £480ish   :cry:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: EyeballPaul on 21 November 2011, 14:28
Kenny,

sorry to hear about the hassle with the lights, i was waiting on someone fitting these in the UK before i brought some. Im going to do some research, there must be a way of ordering these lights direct from the supplier, probably alot cheaper than they have been advertised at.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: SteveP on 21 November 2011, 18:59
Kenny, have you just purchased the OEM's ones from Usual Suspect?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons - GROUP BUY
Post by: Neil gti on 21 November 2011, 19:19
Kenny, have you just purchased the OEM's ones from Usual Suspect?

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,38000.0.html
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 21 November 2011, 19:36
Yeah I have, well put down a deposit until this PayPal gets sorted. Never bought through eBay but through his site.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 21 November 2011, 20:20
Musical posts - without the music  :grin:

Glad it's back  :wink:

Sorry for your possible loss  :sad:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: spydar on 23 November 2011, 10:50
So has anyone bought these headlamps yet?   You guys were all keen earlier.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 23 November 2011, 16:18
I have been doing abit of research on the internet and i think i have found the lights that were advertised by Dan, i have emailed the company off the link, to ask about cost and supplying to the UK. I have attached the link, but i think they look like the ones

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/huaye23/product-detailHoOxRZyEXbUf/China-Golf-6-Bi-Xenon-Projector-Headlight.html
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 23 November 2011, 16:43
Doc found a likely supplier in the Xenon thread in the DIY and Maintenance section near the end of the massively long thread. I emailed them as they were much much cheaper than the ones our disappearing friend advertised, and this was before his genie like appearance too. They only would send them out in batches of at least 10 in RHD.
Check that thread Paul, and also the lady's reply to me which was pure comedy.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 23 November 2011, 20:38
Ill have a look thanks, i can imagine the Chinese conversion to english
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: am1w on 23 November 2011, 20:46
The Love Letter:

Dear Andy,
 
       Good day !
       Thank you for your interested in our products !
 
       For our headlight kit , it needs special to make for UK.
       The MOQ is 10 pairs .
 
       I hope I will become your best friend from China !
 
       We are looking forward to establishing longterm business relationship with you soon !
       Thank you very much !
 
Best Regards,
Amy

http://www.wphidled.com/sdp/1363324/4/pd-5818148/9073428-2335434/OME_HID_headlight_kit_for_golf_6.html#normal_img
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 23 November 2011, 20:55
classic English, you would think they make RHD versions by now, and would hope they get them E aproved
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 23 November 2011, 21:03
FYI Jenny I've got a nice new fairy light MK6 lamp in my boot ready for conversion on Wiilys GIT  :wink:

When will yours be getting delivered to me? It would be nice to do hem both at the same time  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 23 November 2011, 21:25
Jenny? :huh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 23 November 2011, 21:27
Jenny? :huh:

iPad or Freudian slip.....

iPad lol
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 23 November 2011, 21:53
Are they complete with ballasts etc?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 23 November 2011, 21:56
Yeah complete with everything mate  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 23 November 2011, 22:34
If you don't buy them I will and put them on ice for you if you like?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 24 November 2011, 07:20
Are you sure! I am hopeful that PayPal favour me in the dispute and cough up the cash and I can get these bloody things bought! Xenons have been the biggest saga of my life of late! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 24 November 2011, 08:39
I emailed the company that Doc found, god an amusing response this morning, from Amy.

But she said they have RHD versions in stock at the moment, so there is no minimum order.

Didnt state how much delivery would be though, the units were $250 a side if i remember rightly, which is alot cheaper than dissapearing dan had them up for.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 24 November 2011, 08:43
Cool stuff, plus UK tax of course.....

You going to show us your response?  :wink:

Shall we set up a group buy?

How much for 10 sets please?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 24 November 2011, 08:56
Didnt think about the tax bit, i wont be in on a buy at the moment. I have only just brought my rear LED's and ED35 gearknob, so abit cleaned out until after Xmas.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 24 November 2011, 09:00
Cool, I've butchered a set of OEM ones by the way and they are 100% plug and play and have been on my car for ages  :wink:

Haven't got around to the headlamp height adjustment motors yet but I could easily swap the old ones into the Xenons.....
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 24 November 2011, 09:12
Here is the response,

Dear Paul.

Good day!
Thank you for your interest in our product !

Sorry, for this kit, we do not go to get a CE certificate.

Here is some pitures for this kit, please check the attachment !

Yes, it is no  minimum order for now, because i have several in stock.

I am looking forward to do business with you soon !

Thank you very much !

These units are definately the same as Dan was selling, as the pictures were the same ones he had on his websight, i loved the use of her English. But i should think its better than my Chinese.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 24 November 2011, 12:21
It says $250 for each side, but doesnt mention anything about delivery. Im not sure how the tax will work either, i might email Amy back to ask
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Exonian on 24 November 2011, 16:37
She obviously fancied me far more than you Paul as she proposed a long term relationship, where as with you she just wanted to flog you a set to get rid of you!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 24 November 2011, 22:36
 :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 24 November 2011, 22:55
Another twist in the tale, looks like my lights are arriving tomorrow! Randomly got a email from DHL tonight! Will keep you posted with results!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 06:51
Think she likes me more now she replied again lol, hope your lights arrive in good order maybe we were wrong about Dan

Dear Paul,
 
       Good day !
       I hope your everything is going best !
 
       For 1 set ship to UK :
       Product cost :468$
       Shipping cost :242$(not remote price)
       Total cost (Western Union/TT):468+242=710$
 
       Paypal fee:29$
       Paypal total cost:710+29=739$
 
       Thank you very much ! 

Not a bad price £435 on todays exchange rates,especially if it was a group buy, that would bring the delivery down
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 25 November 2011, 07:02
So no one will want my set for £500 then!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 07:06
Are you not fitting them for yourself
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 25 November 2011, 08:42
I've missed a lot of this thread and cba to read back through it all. Are you boys still talking about the xenon lookalikes, that are hallogen projector lights with a HID conversion fitted?

I was talking to a mate the other day, who had fitted a set of Depo projector lights with a HID conversion into his E90 BMW. The quality of build and look of the lights themselves is top draw, but the light output is nigh on dangerous. He has 4300K burners so that they are as close to oem as possible, properly set up using a beam setter, but he can't see as far or as clearly as he could with his old hallogen reflector lights.

What also concerns me about these lights for the Golf, is that not only could the dip beam be poor like the Depo's, but they use projectors for main beam as well, so they could be equally as bad. 

I hope I'm wrong, but it would be oem or nothing for me.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 08:53
On a very long thread on another forum alot of people rate these lights, saying they give as close to xenon as possible and alot better than the halogen originals.

 Unfortunately i couldnt find a second had GTI with the right spec with xenons, so had to go without. OEM ones are so expensive, so these could be a good option for us porpers, i think they really do look the part just hope the light output is ok.

Hopefully Kenny will get his today and do a good write up on fitting and light output. If all is good ill be sure to get some in the new year.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 25 November 2011, 08:57
Fingers crossed then.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 25 November 2011, 09:48
Are you not fitting them for yourself

Yeah i will be, but put money down on OEM ones.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 10:56
If you dont mind me asking, how much did the OEM ones cost. Did u need to buy light washers and levellers aslo.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 25 November 2011, 11:01
Washers would mean a new bumper surely?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 11:49
Not always as mine has the covers for them on the bumper, but not the washers. Strange i know, not sure why.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 25 November 2011, 11:56
Did you buy it new?
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 12:10
No was second hand, i know the washers come with the winter pack. Which i know i havent got, think ive read somewhere before, that quite a few earlier cars for some reason had the bumper for the washers but no washers, god knows why
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 25 November 2011, 12:12
Hmmm. Odd one. I'll have a look at my Brother-in-Laws next time I see him. His is a Sept 2009.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 25 November 2011, 12:20
Mines a June 09, so must have been one of the first. Seems odd as to why you would have the covers and not the washers.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 25 November 2011, 13:19
Think all the bumpers will be the same on the Golf and if you dont have washers, you get a wee cap.

£550 for the xenons plus £50ish for the adapters. I have them resevered id anyone wants them or buy my new Replicas off me  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 25 November 2011, 13:28
Well I never. I've just looked at about a dozen cars on VW Approved Used, and they all have pretend washers.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 26 November 2011, 10:30
Kenny,

are you fitting the lights this weekend. Very interested to see how it all goes
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 27 November 2011, 02:06
Have u seen the forecast up here! Was prompted out at 3 in the morning yesterday to move the bins after they hit the girlfriends mini! :angry: plus according to the tracking on dhl they are in east midlands depot  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Jimmymature on 27 November 2011, 07:27
Have u seen the forecast up here! Was prompted out at 3 in the morning yesterday to move the bins after they hit the girlfriends mini! :angry: plus according to the tracking on dhl they are in east midlands depot  :rolleyes:

I'm getting confused Kenny! What set are you getting.  First it looked like you were getting OEM then some non-OEM....


What you getting then mate?


Jim

Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 27 November 2011, 08:42
Fair one , the weather down here isnt to good.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 27 November 2011, 08:48
Put a deposit down on the OEM ones because I thought I wasn't getting the replica lights then I got an email from DHL saying the replica ones have been sent so looks like am going to be getting the replicas fitted although they are taking their time to arrive  :angry: So if anyone want some OEM lights let me know as I have a deposit on them anyways ........... Doc???
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 27 November 2011, 09:12
Kenny, i do hope thse non OEM ones work out. I think alot of people will do the same if they are ok.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 27 November 2011, 12:35
I'll talk to Will - I'd like to gut them for parts for him  :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 28 November 2011, 17:42
Here at long last! Am very impressed with them. They look a very solid unit for replicas! Here's some pics:

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/9556f008.jpg)

(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/kenny1601/17650353.jpg)
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 28 November 2011, 20:20
Very nice Kenny, glad they finally arrived. When do you think you will get round to fitting them.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 28 November 2011, 20:24
Hopefully this week. Maybe need to use my mum n dads garage as the weather doesn't seem to be clearing up! :angry:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Jimmymature on 28 November 2011, 20:26
Hopefully this week. Maybe need to use my mum n dads garage as the weather doesn't seem to be clearing up! :angry:

Quicker, quicker.  Take the day off...


Quicker, quicker......
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 28 November 2011, 21:34
If these lights work out well, i think there will be a flood of orders from the non xenon crowd, me included
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Jimmymature on 28 November 2011, 21:54
If these lights work out well, i think there will be a flood of orders from the non xenon crowd, me included

Is everything included other than fitting and coding?


What's the price again?



Jim
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Spin 150pd on 29 November 2011, 11:54
They look great,  perhaps I should have been a little more patient before jumping ship and selling the GTi  :sad:

Be good to see these working hope it all goes well :cool:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 29 November 2011, 12:30
Under tray stays on.

Here's a pic to help with the screws  :wink:

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/fbumper/bumper2.jpg)
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 29 November 2011, 14:40
If you look on page 17 i posted a responce i got from the supplier. Not a bad price if they work ok.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 November 2011, 15:17
I paid £530 for them and unfortunatly lost my £40 deposit on the OEM ones as I have no word back from the seller of them!  :angry:

Off tomorrow so hopefully have them fitted with pics for you  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 November 2011, 15:18
Under tray stays on.

Here's a pic to help with the screws  :wink:

(http://www.thewindinglane.co.uk/images/mk6gti/fbumper/bumper2.jpg)

Great, thanks Doc! Looks not too bad a job!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 29 November 2011, 16:08
Kenny hope the fitting goes ok, did you see the part about some coding that needs doing to stop flickering.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 November 2011, 16:51
Is that about the turning the DRLs off?? So many threads about these on the net my head is bursting!
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 29 November 2011, 17:16
Ill have a look back, but it was turning off DRL's but think it was some VCDS coding after fitting also.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 29 November 2011, 17:23
Doc posted the coding needed on page 8, it was on a link from someone who had these lights in Australia
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 29 November 2011, 17:29
You kinda need a second set of hands to help remove the ends - sure you don't want a early morning dart down to us  :grin:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 November 2011, 20:29
Bit far for me Craig, you need to relocate north of the borders!  :laugh:

Getting the front bumper off last time was fineby myself but the neighbour gave me a hand putting it back on. I'll see how I get on tomorrow, I'll work something out no one is about.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 November 2011, 20:34
Got all the vagcom info now thanks for the reminder Paul! :wink:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 29 November 2011, 21:03
Genuine xenons for sale nothing to do with me but thought you guys could fight over them :grin:

http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,38000.0.html (http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,38000.0.html)

Darren
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 29 November 2011, 21:30
With my £40 deposit on them off the price I would expect!? Someone should ask him or is it just going straight to his pocket I guess since he never got back to me! Oh well, some folk are just tossers  :smiley:
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: Buck on 30 November 2011, 07:55
Looking forward to seeing these fitted Kenny. Look good out of the box.

Not sure if it's possible but a 50:50 new v old shot would be great!


Shame about your deposit - hope you get it sorted.
Title: Re: non OEM Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 30 November 2011, 08:02
Yeah I will do that for you mate. Mind I have xenons in already instead of halogen bulbs but you will get the idea.

Deposit is long gone in his pocket. Free money for him.