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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Jimble on 10 January 2010, 23:11
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8rfk3xllvQ&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8rfk3xllvQ&feature=channel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1mecxkvk98 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1mecxkvk98)
Not much in it though! i just wish i knew what they were saying! :grin:
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Not surprising really as the GTD is a) 40bhp down on the GTI and b) a diesel.
The GTD driver was turning in way too early on the circuit.
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Why do we need proof whats the matter with people, are all you Gti owners getting worried that your golfs are not upto the job any more and a lowly diesel is starting to catch up :evil:
very big disadvantage me thinks, them mr's didn't know how to drive, how can you compare 1/4 mile times with 2 totally different drive trains the diesel will be heavier also.
Give the diesel a re-map just to bring it into line and I still think the GTI would have the advantage?
Yes the GTD is a very nice car and I'd own one in an instance but for drivability id take the GTI every time.
And that guy was saying I wish I could hear that gti over this bloody oil box :grin: :grin:
Darren
:wink: I own a diesel :grin: :grin:
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[Yawn]
The right gear and in a straight line a remapped GTD will keep up, but not round the twisty bits.
You can't deny physics... or the extra kilos between the front axle.
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Never any point talking about the "what if's" Standard vs Standard a GTI leaves a GTD, If ur talking about a remapped GTD over a remapped GTI then im sure the distance between them will be further then standard
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The clue is in the 'D'.
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Neither of them are great on the track - the GTD driver is especially bad though!
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I posted this last night after quite a few beers, now in the cold light of day i realise what poor choice of title it was for what i thought was quite a good comparison, and for that i appologise. Now if you'll excuse me i'm going to hang myself! :embarassed:
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I posted this last night after quite a few beers, now in the cold light of day i realise what poor choice of title it was for what i thought was quite a good comparison, and for that i appologise. Now if you'll excuse me i'm going to hang myself! :embarassed:
Don't apologise as it gave me some more footage to keep me occupied until my GTI arrives :grin: Reckon yer man in the GTD was at the limit whereas the other guy wasn't...
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Brake/steer overlap very sloppy!!
GTD didn't do too bad though! I was quite suprised
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Have had my gtd remapped with revo and it pisses all over my sales managers mk6 gti. That said gti is fantastic car lovely note to the exhaust.
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Have had my gtd remapped with revo and it pisses all over my sales managers mk6 gti. That said gti is fantastic car lovely note to the exhaust.
Evo, I will be picking up a GTD pretty soon and will be getting it remapped. Am unsure who offers the best overall deal.
I havent read a review of a mapped GTD so am interested to know what you thought of it.
Did you consider anyone else but Revo, what did it cost you? cheers, Jon
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what's the difference between the cars 50mph-70mph? Or 30mph-70mph? Isn't this the 'real world' performance?
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£399 + VAT
http://www.revotechnik.com/products/softwareProduct.aspx?pvID=1112
Cheers Damian, have you got a fitting date for the Mobridge yet?
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my boss chickened out of any testing cos he didnt want to get slaughtered. I will get one of the sales guys one day to do some 30-70's etc. Got it done by badger5 in stroud really knowledgable chap. Revo seemed to give the best overall with cost and amount of potential bhp increase also dealer is close to me if something goes wrong. Yeah £399+ vat I bought a sps switch so can put it back to standard for any warranty work as work for VW ; )
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Have had my gtd remapped with revo and it pisses all over my sales managers mk6 gti. That said gti is fantastic car lovely note to the exhaust.
If your sales manager remap his car, he will piss back at you! As you guys move from stage one to stage.....until both car just torque steer and going nowhere! :wink:
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if you're running that much more power than standard you fit an atb diff
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Hi Evo...
As you work for VW, can you tell me about the `standard` map that Revo supply for switching back to, please?
Would a dealers be able to see that its not the original standard map, and also, I heard about an A3 being Revo`d and even though it had been switched to the standard (from revo), when it went on diagnostics at Audi, it screwwed the brain...the story is kinda 3rd hand tho, so not convinced that its true/accurate, I`m not dissing revo but I cant decide on them or Bluefin for when I get my car.
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What did the GTI have the 18" alloys on for ?
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Have had my gtd remapped with revo and it pisses all over my sales managers mk6 gti. That said gti is fantastic car lovely note to the exhaust.
Your comparing a modified car to a standard ? Race a revo'd GTI then and It'll put your diesel back in its place.
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I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
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I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
0-62 it would still beat a dsg gtd. 0-100 and on, it would have f**kin no chance.
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I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
0-62 it would still beat a dsg gtd. 0-100 and on, it would have f**kin no chance.
Thats depending on driver skill with a manual. Still closer then alot of people thought.
and hopefully you dont regually do 100mph to proove its quicker.
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I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
I think a Manual GTi would struggle with a DSG GTD judging by those video's.
Very close indeed.
0-62 it would still beat a dsg gtd. 0-100 and on, it would have f**kin no chance.
Thats depending on driver skill with a manual. Still closer then alot of people thought.
and hopefully you dont regually do 100mph to proove its quicker.
I would have thought so, but going through the ranges the gtd just doesnt have the torque, so as i said 0-62 reletively close, soon as you go faster the gti will always pull away and quickly, dsg or not.
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The GTD is over £500 less than the GTI.
A Revo map is less than £500.
I think it is completely legitimate to compare a Revo'ed GTD and GTI.
We dont need proof that the GTD is slower than a GTI, we all know it.
If a standard GTI and standard GTD were racing from A to B on public roads it is the driver who will determine the winner ,not the car. Who really cares anyway, both a quicker than most cars, just that one is cheaper and more fuel efficent. But then again the GT140 is cheaper and more fuel efficent than the GTD. But then the 1.6 TDI is cheaper and more fuel efficent than the GT140.
We pay our money, we take our choice......blah blah blah.....
~Still bloody waiting~
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The GTD is over £500 less than the GTI.
A Revo map is less than £500.
I think it is completely legitimate to compare a Revo'ed GTD and GTI.
We dont need proof that the GTD is slower than a GTI, we all know it.
If a standard GTI and standard GTD were racing from A to B on public roads it is the driver who will determine the winner ,not the car. Who really cares anyway, both a quicker than most cars, just that one is cheaper and more fuel efficent. But then again the GT140 is cheaper and more fuel efficent than the GTD. But then the 1.6 TDI is cheaper and more fuel efficent than the GT140.
We pay our money, we take our choice......blah blah blah.....
~Still bloody waiting~
Sorry but thats wrong, its the traffic that will decide. On an open plain road, your comment is comical.
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Kev, here's a real example for you. Scunnthorpe to Cambridge, BMW 330Dvs A3 170D. The guy in the 330D is in a proper hurry sitting too close, over taking with little to no space etc etc, you know the type.
From the A15 to Lincoln, the A1 and then A14; by the time we got to my turn off 160 miles later I was just in front of him. The traffic obviously had an impact but the point I am making is that even if the GTD was quicker than a GTI (which it isnt) it doesnt necessarily mean that the slower car will get anywhere later just because the car is slower. You probably cant grasp this but hay ho.....your reply is comical too...seeing that you dont contest that a Revo'ed GTD vs GTI (£=£) is a fair comparison when earlier in the thread you did exactly that..........
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Look at the number of TD cars on the right hand lane in our motorway, you sort of get the idea that most turbo diesel driver think their car got some supernatural acceleration over their petrol equivalent. This sunday when I took my 997C2S out for a spin, I was tailgated by a Vauxhall Insignia with a diesel badge proudly display at the rear end. (I let him past)
Used to see this argument over a few BMW forum as well---335i vs 335d
Let's compare the GTD and GTI assuming their gear ratio is similar
Higher power to weight ratio will always gives you better outright acceleration. Higher bhp, rev range and low drag will gives your petrol car a higher top speed. That's why your Gti can accelerate from 0 to 100mph under 16.5s and top out at 149mph. The 30-70mph thru the gears is very good--5.8seconds! The GTD will get slaughtered at Santa Plod or any cross country B-road race.
However, on normal roads, the only chance we can show off our car overtaking ability is overtaking a lorry who is travelling at 50mph. I bet the difference between the two is minimal. On a decent straight less than a qarter mile, I doubted a GTI will pull out any significant advantage over the GTD. If you look at the in-gear acceleration between a GTI and GTD in third 30-50mph, both cars can complete this in very similar time!
I think turbo diesel is a perfect way to get from A to B but I find the narrow rev range is a bit of a anticlimax! It also tends to weigh more than their petrol equivalent which means more understeer in a front drive car!
In my experience, a good driver with trackday experience is better than adding 50bhp to your car. One of my mate is an ex-rally driver. He drove round the Beford Autodrome circuit in his Cayman S quicker than some newbies in their 997 turbo. I can't get anywhere near him when we did a Cat and Fiddle run a few months back!
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Kev, here's a real example for you. Scunnthorpe to Cambridge, BMW 330Dvs A3 170D. The guy in the 330D is in a proper hurry sitting too close, over taking with little to no space etc etc, you know the type.
From the A15 to Lincoln, the A1 and then A14; by the time we got to my turn off 160 miles later I was just in front of him. The traffic obviously had an impact but the point I am making is that even if the GTD was quicker than a GTI (which it isnt) it doesnt necessarily mean that the slower car will get anywhere later just because the car is slower. You probably cant grasp this but hay ho.....your reply is comical too...seeing that you dont contest that a Revo'ed GTD vs GTI (£=£) is a fair comparison when earlier in the thread you did exactly that..........
Could you show me where I did that ?
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Have had my gtd remapped with revo and it pisses all over my sales managers mk6 gti. That said gti is fantastic car lovely note to the exhaust.
Your comparing a modified car to a standard ? Race a revo'd GTI then and It'll put your diesel back in its place.
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Have had my gtd remapped with revo and it pisses all over my sales managers mk6 gti. That said gti is fantastic car lovely note to the exhaust.
Your comparing a modified car to a standard ? Race a revo'd GTI then and It'll put your diesel back in its place.
Sorry but is your GTD not revo'd ?
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Sorry but thats wrong, its the traffic that will decide. On an open plain road, your comment is comical.
...or the Police...or common respect for Human life...
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Sorry but thats wrong, its the traffic that will decide. On an open plain road, your comment is comical.
...or the Police...or common respect for Human life...
wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
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Sorry but thats wrong, its the traffic that will decide. On an open plain road, your comment is comical.
...or the Police...or common respect for Human life...
wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
Blimey Kev thats a bit strong mate??? Take it easy man!! Enjoy Steve30 :laugh:
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Look at the number of TD cars on the right hand lane in our motorway, you sort of get the idea that most turbo diesel driver think their car got some supernatural acceleration over their petrol equivalent.
or you could consider that most high mileage reps that are rushing to get somewhere all drive diesels. They may not be racing anybody other than their own deadlines. Irrespective of what car some people drive, they will always be in lane 3 and always driving faster than others. It's nothing specifically to do with diesel.
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Sorry but thats wrong, its the traffic that will decide. On an open plain road, your comment is comical.
...or the Police...or common respect for Human life...
wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
Blimey Kev thats a bit strong mate??? Take it easy man!! Enjoy Steve30 :laugh:
:grin: Wouldnt be me if I didnt. It just rolls off the tounge.
I think its just the little boy racing twits with their souped up diesels that still get under my nose, I think I just gotta see them for what they are.
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wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
Checking you're awake!
If you just said 'Track' rather than 'Road' I'd mostly agree with you - not boring in my world...square kn*b is a new one though!
Kev - a GTI is faster most of the time but not to the extent you seem to assume (having driven both). Were you by any chance involved in a childhood accident involving a Diesel DSG Taxi? :smiley:
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I like petrol GTis but, then again, I also like diesel GTs. There's only one way to solve it...
(http://www.mercia.biz/files/HarryHill_fight.jpg)
Shoot out at SP?
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I think its just the little boy racing twits with their souped up diesels that still get under my nose, I think I just gotta see them for what they are.
Give it up man - too much to dislike on the roads and pretty much everywhere else. You have a cool car, be happy with that!
By chance somebody just forwarded the link below to me - made me think of you! :smiley:
http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?p=482349 (http://www.wfcforums.com/showthread.php?p=482349)
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wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
Checking you're awake!
If you just said 'Track' rather than 'Road' I'd mostly agree with you - not boring in my world...square kn*b is a new one though!
Kev - a GTI is faster most of the time but not to the extent you seem to assume (having driven both). Were you by any chance involved in a childhood accident involving a Diesel DSG Taxi? :smiley:
Give me a couple of examples when a GTD faster than a GTI.
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Hi Kev , i would have you in GTD170 mate no problem!! I tested one last sat and was very impressed by it!! Its a very very nice motor and it goes like stink from 30mph onwards. I currently have an Ed30 thinking of getting one due to the fact, i'm pissed off waiting for my mk6gti build week 9. Enjoy mate Steve30 :laugh: :wink:
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Have you noticed it's only the GTI owners that worry about which is faster :rolleyes:
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Hi Kev , i would have you in GTD170 mate no problem!! I tested one last sat and was very impressed by it!! Its a very very nice motor and it goes like stink from 30mph onwards. I currently have an Ed30 thinking of getting one due to the fact, i'm pissed off waiting for my mk6gti build week 9. Enjoy mate Steve30 :laugh: :wink:
How fast? GTD
0-62 mph 8.1 sec
Max speed 138 mph
GTI
0-62 6.9 sec
Max speed 149 mph
Don`t think so steve30 :wink: :grin:
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Hi Kev , i would have you in GTD170 mate no problem!! I tested one last sat and was very impressed by it!! Its a very very nice motor and it goes like stink from 30mph onwards. I currently have an Ed30 thinking of getting one due to the fact, i'm pissed off waiting for my mk6gti build week 9. Enjoy mate Steve30 :laugh: :wink:
How fast? GTD
0-62 mph 8.1 sec
Max speed 138 mph
GTI
0-62 6.9 sec
Max speed 149 mph
Don`t think so steve30 :wink: :grin:
Thats on paper , means nothing to me Simon, my Ed30 is pushing out 250 bhp and it hasnt been modded!! Vw are conceravtive about there figures?? :wink:
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Oh good so the gti has even more power than they quoted :wink:
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Oh good so the gti has even more power than they quoted :wink:
Brilliant mate hahahaha :laugh:
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Have you noticed it's only the GTI owners that worry about which is faster :rolleyes:
Sad really maybe they have other issues.
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wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
Checking you're awake!
If you just said 'Track' rather than 'Road' I'd mostly agree with you - not boring in my world...square kn*b is a new one though!
Kev - a GTI is faster most of the time but not to the extent you seem to assume (having driven both). Were you by any chance involved in a childhood accident involving a Diesel DSG Taxi? :smiley:
Give me a couple of examples when a GTD faster than a GTI.
When you've stopped to fill up because you can't get more than 350 miles from a tank
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The GTD may take longer to hit 60 from a standing start but I bet the big low-down torque (same as the Golf R) means it's very close accelerating 30-50, 50-70, etc. It's torque that changes your speed, not power.
Of the two, I'd still have a GTI though.
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Thats depending on driver skill with a manual. Still closer then alot of people thought.
and hopefully you dont regually do 100mph to proove its quicker.
To do a comparison like this it HAS to be the same driver and preferably The Stig...no use getting different mortals to mess up the figures as stated by VW you simply have no reference anymore....suppose the DSG Driver cannot properly activate the launch control...or the Manual Muppet switches the clutch at the wrong revs...etc etc... :wink:
If we put the Stig in both it is bye bye GTD...any day of the week...rain ore shine...the good thing being that the looser can save a bit harder and trade his car in for the one he really wanted.... :evil:
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Oh good so the gti has even more power than they quoted :wink:
Evo Mag issue 139 quoted our GTI engine chuck out 229bhp and 239ib of torque on their rollers. It was at least 40bhp less than the Megane or RS. They got the GTI 0-60mph in 6.4s, 0-100mph 16.5 seconds. Insisting a GTD is faster than a GTI is almost telling me my GTI is as fast as the Megane or RS. You can say 0-60mph depends a lot on traction, 0-100mph is the most important benchmark. I doubted the the GTD can duck under 20seconds which means it will trail at least 3.5second behind our GTI.
If the government introduce 60mph speed limt and digital camera on our motorway network :angry:, any debate who is faster will become irrelevant!
Sorry to generalise about diesel driver. I still insists most diesel driver believe their car can fly with a remap!! :rolleyes:
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Sorry to generalise about diesel driver. I still insists most diesel driver believe their car can fly with a remap!! :rolleyes:
most people think their car fly after a remap. Diesel or not.
Nobody bit when I said about a shoot out. Power readings and performance approximations are nothing more than cheap talk.
To do a comparison like this it HAS to be the same driver and preferably The Stig
why? People are arguing about whether their car is faster than someone else's. That takes their own skills into account as much as the car itself.
Come on boys...prove it or shut it! :grin:
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A while back Fifth Gear they compared the Astra VXR with a diesel Astra with Triple Eight mods
surely others have seen this also?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo987X-Au48
Seems to me this GTI/GTD debate is the VW version of a VXR/888 debate.
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just remap the gti and this will be a very easy argument to settle.
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If we put the Stig in both it is bye bye GTD...any day of the week...rain ore shine...
Closest thing to that I found was (positions 102 and 136) :-
http://www.fastestlaps.com/track24.html (http://www.fastestlaps.com/track24.html)
1.5 seconds gap - not as much as I'd thought TBH...mind you, some odd other times so may not be totally reliable for message board Top Trumps! :smiley:
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interesting list....so the GTI is about 1.5% quicker than a GTD around a track....not much is it considering it is 40bhp more powerful , is lighter and uses about 35% more fuel...
There's no arguement though, the GTD is definately 'slower' than a GTI Mk6. According to the list the GTD is quicker than the Mk5 GTI..which is quicker than a mk5 Ed30..strange...
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wtf you doing on a golfgti forum you boring square dicked cnut ?
Checking you're awake!
If you just said 'Track' rather than 'Road' I'd mostly agree with you - not boring in my world...square kn*b is a new one though!
Kev - a GTI is faster most of the time but not to the extent you seem to assume (having driven both). Were you by any chance involved in a childhood accident involving a Diesel DSG Taxi? :smiley:
Give me a couple of examples when a GTD faster than a GTI.
When you've stopped to fill up because you can't get more than 350 miles from a tank
I'll be way too far in front by then.
So let me get this right, a GTD is faster than a GTI ?
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just remap the gti and this will be a very easy argument to settle.
Doesnt need a remap, the GTI is faster than a GTD ffs. whats wrong with people here ?
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Thats depending on driver skill with a manual. Still closer then alot of people thought.
and hopefully you dont regually do 100mph to proove its quicker.
To do a comparison like this it HAS to be the same driver and preferably The Stig...no use getting different mortals to mess up the figures as stated by VW you simply have no reference anymore....suppose the DSG Driver cannot properly activate the launch control...or the Manual Muppet switches the clutch at the wrong revs...etc etc... :wink:
If we put the Stig in both it is bye bye GTD...any day of the week...rain ore shine...the good thing being that the looser can save a bit harder and trade his car in for the one he really wanted.... :evil:
Right so we got myself and Erik knowing that a GTI is faster than a GTD. Looks like were on our own dude, all these other clowns think a GTD is faster :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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interesting list....so the GTI is about 1.5% quicker than a GTD around a track....not much is it considering it is 40bhp more powerful , is lighter and uses about 35% more fuel...
There's no arguement though, the GTD is definately 'slower' than a GTI Mk6. According to the list the GTD is quicker than the Mk5 GTI..which is quicker than a mk5 Ed30..strange...
You've been arguing all day saying the GTD is faster now you have backtracked.
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Still cant get over this, a GTD is faster than a GTI.
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Still cant get over this, a GTD is faster than a GTI.
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Course its not.... don't be so bloody stupid! :grin:
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Still cant get over this, a GTD is faster than a GTI.
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Course its not.... don't be so bloody stupid! :grin:
:laugh:
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
You guys crack me up. Nite nite you clueless cnuts.
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One way to find out. Any GTD (Mapped or remapped) up for a trackday or Santa plod in May?????
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just remap the gti and this will be a very easy argument to settle.
Doesnt need a remap, the GTI is faster than a GTD ffs. whats wrong with people here ?
my point was that there is no point in comparing apples and oranges. :rolleyes:
It often felt that my brothers old GT140 was quicker than my R32, but it certainly wasnt. I feel that GTD owners are the victim of this same feeling.
i know the gti is quicker.. i have one :wink:
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
£10 says my PD diesel is quicker than your GTi in a straight line and around a track. :kiss:
One way to find out. Any GTD (Mapped or remapped) up for a trackday or Santa plod in May?????
finally, someone prepared to do the manly thing. I'm in.
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
£10 says my PD diesel is quicker than your GTi in a straight line and around a track. :kiss:
This I would love to see :wink: :grin: :grin:
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
£10 says my PD diesel is quicker than your GTi in a straight line and around a track. :kiss:
One way to find out. Any GTD (Mapped or remapped) up for a trackday or Santa plod in May?????
finally, someone prepared to do the manly thing. I'm in.
ooooh now that does sound like a challenge :rolleyes: :grin:
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I don't think anybody who has a GTD (including myself) truly believes that in a straight line, driven by the same driver that the GTD will beat the GTI, but at the same time there wouldn't be that big a gap as some GTI owners would have you believe, there really is f**k all in it.
Some of the comments on here from GTI owners are equally as daft as those who say the GTD is quicker. I've read stuff like 'Cos they couldn't afford the GTI' when there's only 500 quid in it and other such stupidities.
They're both excellent cars in their own right. The GTD suited me more because the company car tax and fuel costs were lower so I could spend more on important stuff like family holidays etc - much more important to me than how much faster my car goes than its diesel equivalent.
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a GTD is faster than a GTI. :laugh: :laugh:
Even next day this still makes me laugh.
Is there any other GTI forums I can link this thread to ? It would be rude not to let others have the same belly laugh.
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There's no arguement though, the GTD is definately 'slower' than a GTI Mk6. According to the list the GTD is quicker than the Mk5 GTI..which is quicker than a mk5 Ed30..strange...
Yeah, didn't mention the Mk5 times - thought it would be too obvious bait for dimwit Kev! :smiley:
The R32, Ed30 and Mk5 times were five years ago though - maybe they've changed the track or it was raining or whatever. I had a Mk5 and I'm certain it would be faster than a GTD on a track. FWD cars on track are very dull though - can't really see the point myself.
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There's no arguement though, the GTD is definately 'slower' than a GTI Mk6. According to the list the GTD is quicker than the Mk5 GTI..which is quicker than a mk5 Ed30..strange...
Yeah, didn't mention the Mk5 times - thought it would be too obvious bait for dimwit Kev! :smiley:
The R32, Ed30 and Mk5 times were five years ago though - maybe they've changed the track or it was raining or whatever. I had a Mk5 and I'm certain it would be faster than a GTD on a track. FWD cars on track are very dull though - can't really see the point myself.
I'm the dimwit ? I'm not the idiot trying to tell myself a GTD is faster than a GTI. :laugh:
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I don't think anybody who has a GTD (including myself) truly believes that in a straight line, driven by the same driver that the GTD will beat the GTI, but at the same time there wouldn't be that big a gap as some GTI owners would have you believe, there really is f**k all in it.
Some of the comments on here from GTI owners are equally as daft as those who say the GTD is quicker. I've read stuff like 'Cos they couldn't afford the GTI' when there's only 500 quid in it and other such stupidities.
They're both excellent cars in their own right. The GTD suited me more because the company car tax and fuel costs were lower so I could spend more on important stuff like family holidays etc - much more important to me than how much faster my car goes than its diesel equivalent.
But in windy roads you would beat a GTI ? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease say yes.
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
£10 says my PD diesel is quicker than your GTi in a straight line and around a track. :kiss:
well?
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
£10 says my PD diesel is quicker than your GTi in a straight line and around a track. :kiss:
well?
I'll give you the £10 to shut the hell up.
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Right bedtime for me, misses just walked away laughing at the GTD being faster too once I showed her some posts. :grin:
£10 says my PD diesel is quicker than your GTi in a straight line and around a track. :kiss:
well?
I'll give you the £10 to shut the hell up.
I'd rather leave you in a cloud of black smoke
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I'm the dimwit ? I'm not the idiot trying to tell myself a GTD is faster than a GTI. :laugh:
Actually read the posts - I'm saying the opposite!
Sorry, couldn't find English to Chav option in Google Translate, you'll have to make do! :smiley:
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FWD cars on track are very dull though - can't really see the point myself.
Try it, you might be surprised. I mean BTCC cars are FWD and they look a ball to drive.
Oh and talking of Touring car I think you'll find Yvan Muller was WTCC Champ in 2008 and Gabriele Tarquini in 2009 both behind the wheel of a VAG Diesel engined car.
Nick
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FWD cars on track are very dull though - can't really see the point myself.
Try it, you might be surprised. I mean BTCC cars are FWD and they look a ball to drive.
Oh and talking of Touring car I think you'll find Yvan Muller was WTCC Champ in 2008 and Gabriele Tarquini in 2009 both behind the wheel of a VAG Diesel engined car.
Nick
VAG Diesel engined FWD car
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Try it, you might be surprised. I mean BTCC cars are FWD and they look a ball to drive.
Yep, silly to generalise! My only track stuff has been in my Brother's old Lotus which is great and a Cooper S which was less great (although fast).
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I've read stuff like 'Cos they couldn't afford the GTI
The GTD suited me more because the company car tax and fuel costs were lower so I could spend more on important stuff like family holidays etc - much more important to me than how much faster my car goes than its diesel equivalent.
So in other words.......for you it IS a money issue.....uhhhmmmmm....so if you could afford the price-difference in buying and driving it and still spend an equal amount of money on other stuff.... :smug:
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So in other words.......for you it IS a money issue.....uhhhmmmmm....so if you could afford the price-difference in buying and driving it and still spend an equal amount of money on other stuff.... :smug:
if that was the case I'm sure he'd run a massive V8 instead of a 4 pot petrol. :grin:
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Thought I'd just contribute a set of performance figures taken from Volkswagen Driver magazine:
Mk6 GTI Mk6 GTD Mk6 GTI Mk5 GTI Mk5 ED30
Manual Manual DSG Manual Manual
0-60 6.3 7.5 6.5 6.0 5.6
0-80 9.6 12.6 10.1 10.7 9.4
30-50 3rd 3.2 3.1 2.4 3.0 2.9
50-70 4th 4.3 4.7 -- 4.1 3.7
overall mpg 35.2 46.7 32.5 28.6 27.8
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I went from a Mark V GTI to an Audi TT and I can say the TT was quicker.
From the TT changed to a GTD and obviously the TT was quicker.
I would also say the mark V GTI was quicker than the GTD so I don't think
for one minute my GTD is quicker than a Mark VI GTI !!!!!
The GTD is still quick in the real world for me but the GTI has to be quicker.
I was undecided what to buy but having had a Mark V GTI engine explode on me at 8,000 miles I went for the understated GTD with vancouver alloys.
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WHAT ????
So my new GTD that I`m getting wont be as fast as a GTI????
I DONT BELIIIEEEVE IT !!!!!!
:wink:
Come on, its a diesel and looses 40 ponies to the petrol.
With a remap it may be different if the GTI isnt mapped, but it offered me the best of both worlds, pretty swift and great fuel consumption.
Like the man said, a few hundred quid when buying new is neither here nor there, I wanted the longevity of a diesel and the lower fuel bills, and
since I`m planning to keep it for 10 years plus, I`ll get plenty of benefit.
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Thought I'd just contribute a set of performance figures taken from Volkswagen Driver magazine:
Good stuff. I think the problem is that people read the 0-60 and think that's going to be repeated over several miles of track/road but the 30-50 and 50-70 times are closer to the probable result (multiplied number of corners). Would be interesting (although probably very difficult) to see how much difference XDS makes - most of the difference between Mk5 and Mk6 on track?
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But in windy roads you would beat a GTI ? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease say yes.
I didn't say that. I'm not one of the people suggesting the GTD is faster, what I am saying is that there isn't the huge gulf of difference some GTI owners are suggesting.
Given that the GTD can do 30-50 faster than the GTI then on windy roads it would be an incredibly close call, but no argument from me that overall the GTI is a faster car.
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So in other words.......for you it IS a money issue.....uhhhmmmmm....so if you could afford the price-difference in buying and driving it and still spend an equal amount of money on other stuff.... :smug:
I didn't purchase the car, its a company expensed vehicle. My outgoings are company car tax and personal fuel, both of which are cheaper than the GTI. I can afford the GTI fuel costs and car tax no worries, I'd just rather spend the money elsewhere.
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Thought I'd just contribute a set of performance figures taken from Volkswagen Driver magazine:
Mk6 GTI Mk6 GTD Mk6 GTI Mk5 GTI Mk5 ED30
Manual Manual DSG Manual Manual
0-60 6.3 7.5 6.5 6.0 5.6
0-80 9.6 12.6 10.1 10.7 9.4
30-50 3rd 3.2 3.1 2.4 3.0 2.9
50-70 4th 4.3 4.7 -- 4.1 3.7
overall mpg 35.2 46.7 32.5 28.6 27.8
Such a shame that in a forum where I thought there were some clued up people that this had to be posted to show the clueless that the GTI is faster. What am i saying, the GTD is faster and I'm sticking to that, I've has such a laugh here in work with this I aint changing my mind now. :laugh:
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
MK5 faster than the Mk6?? :shocked: :shocked:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
MK5 faster than the Mk6?? :shocked: :shocked:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
It does appear that way doesnt it :grin: :grin:
I doubt there would have been much control tbh.. just figures taken from random tests i asssume.
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I do as well. it shows the DSG being slower to 60 but nearly a second faster 30-50. That doesn't make any sense as 0-60 involves gear chnages where the DSG should be faster and 30 - 50 I wuold have thought involves no changes so the times should be the same!
As for which is faster this can only be settled by the same (indpendent) driver lapping a track with a good mixture of bends and straights. But that's never going to happen.
Nick
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
MK5 faster than the Mk6?? :shocked: :shocked:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The edition 30 should be faster but the normal GTI's should be about the same.
nick
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I do as well. it shows the DSG being slower to 60 but nearly a second faster 30-50. That doesn't make any sense as 0-60 involves gear chnages where the DSG should be faster and 30 - 50 I wuold have thought involves no changes so the times should be the same!
As for which is faster this can only be settled by the same (indpendent) driver lapping a track with a good mixture of bends and straights. But that's never going to happen.
Nick
TopGear track??? :grin: :grin:
their figures seem to be pretty consistent tbf.
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
MK5 faster than the Mk6?? :shocked: :shocked:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The edition 30 should be faster but the normal GTI's should be about the same.
nick
According to those figures posted the Mk5 is quicker in every area bar the 0-80mph and the 30-50 if the MK6 uses DSG :huh: :undecided:
So much for progress........
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
Especially the MKV manual 0-60 time of 6.0s - granted I'm rubbish but 6.7 or 6.8 is more likely.
I do as well. it shows the DSG being slower to 60 but nearly a second faster 30-50. That doesn't make any sense as 0-60 involves gear chnages where the DSG should be faster and 30 - 50 I would have thought involves no changes so the times should be the same!
^^^^^^agreed
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I do as well. it shows the DSG being slower to 60 but nearly a second faster 30-50. That doesn't make any sense as 0-60 involves gear chnages where the DSG should be faster and 30 - 50 I wuold have thought involves no changes so the times should be the same!
As for which is faster this can only be settled by the same (indpendent) driver lapping a track with a good mixture of bends and straights. But that's never going to happen.
Nick
TopGear track??? :grin: :grin:
their figures seem to be pretty consistent tbf.
But they've ignored the MKVI Golf in all forms so far so I doubt we'll be seeing a GTI lap let alone a GTD one. I'd hope they'd feature the R in the next series.
Nick
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
Especially the MKV manual 0-60 time of 6.0s - granted I'm rubbish but 6.7 or 6.8 is more likely.
MKV's have been verified on timing gear to be much quicker than the stated VW times. Pretty sure a couple of mags have had 6.0 out of them, i assumed the MKVI is the same but maybe not.
nick
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I do as well. it shows the DSG being slower to 60 but nearly a second faster 30-50. That doesn't make any sense as 0-60 involves gear chnages where the DSG should be faster and 30 - 50 I wuold have thought involves no changes so the times should be the same!
As for which is faster this can only be settled by the same (indpendent) driver lapping a track with a good mixture of bends and straights. But that's never going to happen.
Nick
TopGear track??? :grin: :grin:
their figures seem to be pretty consistent tbf.
But they've ignored the MKVI Golf in all forms so far so I doubt we'll be seeing a GTI lap let alone a GTD one. I'd hope they'd feature the R in the next series.
Nick
Yeah looks like they have got a bit of catching up to do. Although the ED30 never was featured as far as i can remember... but still had times up for it. I know, because thats where i used to point all the ED30 boys who thought there car was quicker than the R32 :grin: :grin:
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MKV's have been verified on timing gear to be much quicker than the stated VW times. Pretty sure a couple of mags have had 6.0 out of them, i assumed the MKVI is the same but maybe not.
Yeah, VW are conservative with their numbers, but 7.2 was the 'official' time.... Really, 1.2 secs faster to 60...?
I'd hope they'd feature the R in the next series.
^^^^^^^^I'd like to see that....
...As long as it was rising blue on black 19's... :tongue:
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Yeah, VW are conservative with their numbers, but 7.2 was the 'official' time.... Really, 1.2 secs faster to 60...?
Depends how it's tested I guess. Two fat blokes and a tank of petrol v's one skinny guy running on vapours might account for the difference.
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one skinny guy running on vapours might account for the difference.
There's hope for me yet, then! :evil:
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I seriously question those figures. :lipsrsealed:
I think they're probably close to correct as per the figures below. I doubt you'd be in those gears, at those speeds, when setting a fast lap though (and would expect the GTD to suffer because of it)! :smiley:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/facts_and_figures.php?id=238867 (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/facts_and_figures.php?id=238867)
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/facts_and_figures.php?id=237421 (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/facts_and_figures.php?id=237421)
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Regardless of figures, I'm sure we all agree that the GTD is faster. :grin:
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This thread is just so childish.
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This thread is just so childish.
It is, its also an Epic FAIL. I came on here and thought that this was crammed full of knowledgeable people. There are still some left, but boy is there a lot of them sh!tlisted blacklisted now after them trying to sell the GTD as being faster. Deluded people.
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still some left, but boy is there a lot of them sh!tlisted blacklisted now after them trying to sell the GTD as being faster. Deluded people.
Probably a couple of people thought they may be faster than you (which we'll never know) - most people agreed that the GTI is some percentage faster overall.
I linked to the Autozeitung laptimes which suggested a Mk5 GTI may have been slower than a Mk6 GTD. Probably a crap comparison but there aren't many other GTD laptimes to compare with unfortunately.
I don't actually care if a GTD is much slower but it should be based on fact rather than machismo...
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Probably a couple of people thought they may be faster than you (which we'll never know)
yeah because he won't take up the challenge.
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interesting list....so the GTI is about 1.5% quicker than a GTD around a track....not much is it considering it is 40bhp more powerful , is lighter and uses about 35% more fuel...
There's no arguement though, the GTD is definately 'slower' than a GTI Mk6. According to the list the GTD is quicker than the Mk5 GTI..which is quicker than a mk5 Ed30..strange...
You've been arguing all day saying the GTD is faster now you have backtracked.
Kev, its just got to be said, you are a tool...........show me where I had been 'agruing all day saying that the GTD is faster'.
If there were prizes for being a tw@t you would take first, second and third place.....
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Kev, its just got to be said, you are a tool...........show me where I had been 'agruing all day saying that the GTD is faster'.
If there were prizes for being a tw@t you would take first, second and third place.....
With the GTD in 4th because its so slow :wink: