Don't forget the Golf Pirelli Edition which was basically the same car but with a Pirelli theme....
These are still expensive to buy as all are under a year old.
I gather it sits lower as well.Same height as the GTI. :smiley:
Trust me, go for the Ed30, if you can get a good spec ed30, get it, you will ALWAYS glance over your shoulder when one drives past you, and you wished if only id got that instead.
been there, and love this ed30 to bits. :embarassed:
If you do a lot of driving on motorways, dual c/w's or fast A roads, I would definitley recommend the ED30 - it has a bit more punch over 3000rpm and revs better to the redline without running out of "ooomph" compared to the the standard GTi.
Trust me, go for the Ed30, if you can get a good spec ed30, get it, you will ALWAYS glance over your shoulder when one drives past you, and you wished if only id got that instead.
Is there much of a difference when it comes to the MPG between the GTI and the ED30 by the way??
but I really want a silver car (I have a black at the mo), and the ED30 looks awesome in silver IMO!
Im only posting from my OWN personal oppinion as everytime i saw one, i wished id had saved My money on waiting for an ed30 rather then another Std GTi.If you do a lot of driving on motorways, dual c/w's or fast A roads, I would definitley recommend the ED30 - it has a bit more punch over 3000rpm and revs better to the redline without running out of "ooomph" compared to the the standard GTi.
Yeh, my standard GTI is soooooo rubbish on the motorway, I'd rather drive a Fiat Panda :rolleyes:QuoteTrust me, go for the Ed30, if you can get a good spec ed30, get it, you will ALWAYS glance over your shoulder when one drives past you, and you wished if only id got that instead.
I don't :smiley: It depends on what you want to spend, if you have enough to get an Ed30 then by all means get one obviously but dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong with a standard one and obviously they tend to be a little cheaper.
Its easy spending someone elses money :wink:
I still look back after I park it and love my GTI to bits :cry:
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
For 10.5k it will be a dog! The ED30 is holding its value to limited numbers and being quite new still.
Hopefully get one as a second car in a few years when my wage increases (or a mk6 gti)
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
Did spot a 06 plate Ed30 in our local autotrader the other day for just 10.5k... Worth a look for that kind of money I would say, and 10K in your back pocket :smiley:
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
Did spot a 06 plate Ed30 in our local autotrader the other day for just 10.5k... Worth a look for that kind of money I would say, and 10K in your back pocket :smiley:
erh, they didnt produce an 06 reg, cars wernt out till November 06 which would be a 56 plate :wink:. Must be a standard GTI with bits added
Yea i never pay too much attention, always found it strange how they always pushed the ed30 to one side as a waste of money and pretty much ignored it. Well in top gear mag and evo (the only ones i read). I love my ed30 valance :cool:
Yea i never pay too much attention, always found it strange how they always pushed the ed30 to one side as a waste of money and pretty much ignored it. Well in top gear mag and evo (the only ones i read). I love my ed30 valance :cool:
They dont look at remap potential - so in fact it could be looked at as more money for not a great deal - its only when you know what your paying for you see its worth it.
Yea i never pay too much attention, always found it strange how they always pushed the ed30 to one side as a waste of money and pretty much ignored it. Well in top gear mag and evo (the only ones i read). I love my ed30 valance :cool:
They dont look at remap potential - so in fact it could be looked at as more money for not a great deal - its only when you know what your paying for you see its worth it.
Is that not the point though, the ED30 will become the enthusiasts choice. Look at the mk4 gti, you can pick them up for a grand but the anniversary editions are still around £8k for a good one!
The ED30 has :
- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs
Trust me, go for the Ed30, if you can get a good spec ed30, get it, you will ALWAYS glance over your shoulder when one drives past you, and you wished if only id got that instead.
been there, and love this ed30 to bits. :embarassed:
I prefer'd the ride quality on the Std GTi, not quite as jittery or (bump wallow)
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
Well having driven both extensively, i cant tell the difference on pick-up but from 50 onwards, the ed30 really does push on better.
Dont always believe what the Journo's write about.
And you owned both models??? or am i dreaming and you text book of knowledge is more then someones personal experiance and others that have owner std GTi's and Ed30's.I prefer'd the ride quality on the Std GTi, not quite as jittery or (bump wallow)
Erm, a standard GTI on 18"s will have EXACTLY the same ride quality as an Ed30 - because they have identical suspension. The only thing which would make a difference in ride quality is differing tyres.
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
Your joking. The Pistonheads site is riddled with scam ads, just like fleabay.
Well having driven both extensively, i cant tell the difference on pick-up but from 50 onwards, the ed30 really does push on better.
Dont always believe what the Journo's write about.
And don't always believe what Phil Mcavity writes! :rolleyes:
The KO4 versions definately have more turbo lag and less bottom-end torque compared to the standard GTI. But yes, the standard GTI does loose out to the Ed30 from about 5,000 rpm. However, an S3 or Forge (or both) intercooler on a standard GTI will dramatically free up the top end.
And you owned both models??? or am i dreaming and you text book of knowledge is more then someones personal experiance and others that have owner std GTi's and Ed30's.I prefer'd the ride quality on the Std GTi, not quite as jittery or (bump wallow)
Erm, a standard GTI on 18"s will have EXACTLY the same ride quality as an Ed30 - because they have identical suspension. The only thing which would make a difference in ride quality is differing tyres.
You own a std GTi and an RS4, so how do you know in "the real world" the difference if youve not lived with an Edition 30???
oh and just for you T_T
All in my opinion :lipsrsealed:
And you owned both models??? or am i dreaming and you text book of knowledge is more then someones personal experiance and others that have owner std GTi's and Ed30's.I prefer'd the ride quality on the Std GTi, not quite as jittery or (bump wallow)
Erm, a standard GTI on 18"s will have EXACTLY the same ride quality as an Ed30 - because they have identical suspension. The only thing which would make a difference in ride quality is differing tyres.
You own a std GTi and an RS4, so how do you know in "the real world" the difference if youve not lived with an Edition 30???
oh and just for you T_T
All in my opinion :lipsrsealed:
I've owned both and I have to agree with Phil...
The ED30 has :
- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs
Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts. So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".
The ED30 has :
- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs
Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts. So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".
Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair :grin:, please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine .... not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine. And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.
My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo. VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur :wink: :tongue:
http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55
http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
Robinsons, Cookes or KL VW????
As I said before some time ago.. short block for the ED30/S3 have the same part numbers. Head and cams are different.
What are the main differences between the two??
From what I can see, the ED30 has 30BHP more, and has colour coded rear bumper, along with a little extra trim around the car. Are these the only differences, or does the ED30 come with some additional features as standard?
:grin: :grin: :grin:What are the main differences between the two??
From what I can see, the ED30 has 30BHP more, and has colour coded rear bumper, along with a little extra trim around the car. Are these the only differences, or does the ED30 come with some additional features as standard?
The main difference is the owners.
We normal GTI owners have nothing to prove and usually arrive in one piece, the Anniversary owner does have something to prove and has a few more prangs.
:rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:What are the main differences between the two??
From what I can see, the ED30 has 30BHP more, and has colour coded rear bumper, along with a little extra trim around the car. Are these the only differences, or does the ED30 come with some additional features as standard?
The main difference is the owners.
We normal GTI owners have nothing to prove and usually arrive in one piece, the Anniversary owner does have something to prove and has a few more prangs.
:rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:What are the main differences between the two??
From what I can see, the ED30 has 30BHP more, and has colour coded rear bumper, along with a little extra trim around the car. Are these the only differences, or does the ED30 come with some additional features as standard?
The main difference is the owners.
We normal GTI owners have nothing to prove and usually arrive in one piece, the Anniversary owner does have something to prove and has a few more prangs.
:rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:What are the main differences between the two??
From what I can see, the ED30 has 30BHP more, and has colour coded rear bumper, along with a little extra trim around the car. Are these the only differences, or does the ED30 come with some additional features as standard?
The main difference is the owners.
We normal GTI owners have nothing to prove and usually arrive in one piece, the Anniversary owner does have something to prove and has a few more prangs.
Only joking Officer Dibble.
Both are good cars that become great cars if fitted with the magic DSG.
It's actually the freaky R32'ers that have a lot to prove.
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000. If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000. Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000. If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000. Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.
I dont loose £33 a day on mine :wink:
I think you might have logged on to the wrong site this morning Egbert... here's your usual link www.pennypinchers.com :grin:
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000. If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000. Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.
I dont loose £33 a day on mine :wink:
I think you might have logged on to the wrong site this morning Egbert... here's your usual link www.pennypinchers.com :grin:
That's a rubbish web site. Just a single page. Rather like an R32, all name and no substance.
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000. If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000. Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000. If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000. Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000. If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000. Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.
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You need to do more homework Egbert :tongue: :tongue:
3 months ago you could pick up brand new R32's for £16,000
You obviously did'nt read this thread :
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=96405.0
a phrase with the words "shot" "in" "foot" comes to mind :evil: :laugh:
The ED30 has :
- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs
Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts. So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".
Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair :grin:, please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine .... not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine. And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.
My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo. VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur :wink: :tongue:
http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55
http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf
The ED30 has :
- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs
Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts. So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".
Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair :grin:, please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine .... not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine. And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.
My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo. VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur :wink: :tongue:
http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55
http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf
Although I think that TT is right 95% of the time and I do as a rule accept his opinion which is borne from years of experience and a lot of knowledge... there are occasions when he gets it wrong.
The guys at JKM have seen various engine parts for the S3 and Ed30 as well as the GTI and they have confirmed to me that the Ed30 engine is indeed different in many ways to the GTI and has more in common with the S3 engine with which it shares many parts. I am being vague here about the exact details of what it shares as my memory fails me, but suffice to say that it corroborates what VW Driver magazine wrote.
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
Robinsons, Cookes or KL VW????
Robbo's....
I had my S-line A4 off them Apr '06 and they did a top deal.
Right... I have just spoken to someone at VWRacing and they confirmed that the S3 and Ed30 engines (and that Seat Leon Cupra) are identical. Thats right Ed30 boys, it IS the bargain of the century as VW Driver rightly pointed out and it DOES share its engine with the S3. The guy at VWRacing told me that he knows this from experience working with the cars AND confirmation from VW technicans. As far as I am concerned, thats the end of any uncertainty as to whether they are the same or not.
As I said before some time ago.. short block for the ED30/S3 have the same part numbers. Head and cams are different.
As I said before some time ago.. short block for the ED30/S3 have the same part numbers. Head and cams are different.
Yup, the guy also said that the head of the Ed30 was different to the normal GTI - i.e. uprated.
It's actually the freaky R32'ers that have a lot to prove.
Difference is we dont crash ours :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:
I've taken everything a vw tech has said to me with a pinch of salt since my turbo 'incident' 5 years ago.
"no sir that noise is normal, and it doesn't feel down on power to me" (they'd dropped a nut in my turbo inlet while changing the MAF.. you can imagine the resulting damage.)
Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.The Seat cupra engine seems to have the same part numbers on ETKA for the parts you list as the S3 only
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG. They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG. They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.
....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.
But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.
The seats have five settings to them (plus OFF!). You cannot pre-heat the heaters as my understanding is that they are linked to both the ignition and the seat sensors that detect someone is sitting on them.
They take less than a minute to warm up. Setting one is mild and setting 5 feels so warm it is probably uncomfortable to keep at that setting.
HTH
Oh I understand now - so each seat can have its own temperature set etc, and only comes on when the ignition is on and someone is sitting on the seat....
Oh I understand now - so each seat can have its own temperature set etc, and only comes on when the ignition is on and someone is sitting on the seat....
have a looky at this and all will be clear :smiley: :
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i64/Jerry_G/DSCF0536-1.jpg)
The wheels (showing 0 = Off) are the controls for each heated seat ..
They will only come on when you turn the wheel dial above 0 and the ignition is on
My passenger one will come on whether or not someone is sitting in the seat, so if you are picking someone up then yes, you can preheat their seat :evil: :rolleyes:
The fun is in pre-heating the passenger seat to level 5 and watching the face of your passenger when they sit down :laugh: :evil: :evil:
I offten preheat a seat if Im going to pick a girl up because thats just the kinda guy I am ;)
I offten preheat a seat if Im going to pick someone up because thats just the kinda guy I am ;)
I offten preheat a seat if Im going to pick a girl up because thats just the kinda guy I am ;)
doesnt mean they are goin to take their pants off straight away Al! :laugh:
Are the value of the 18" Monza's and the alloys that come with the ED30 around the same??
If I do go for a ED30 I would want the 18" Monza's at some point - would it be feasible to ask someone if they wanted to do a staight swap, or is there a difference in value?
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.
The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:
Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner :wink:
I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).
I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.
A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.
OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.
Robinsons, Cookes or KL VW????
Robbo's....
I had my S-line A4 off them Apr '06 and they did a top deal.
Norwich, Walsham or Lowestoft? I am surprised you got a good deal from them. Whenever I have tried negociating a deal on a car, they have generally been the worst. Maybe the bean counters have been pressing them to shift metal - whatever the cost. They are competative on servicing, if you haggle though.
Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.The Seat cupra engine seems to have the same part numbers on ETKA for the parts you list as the S3 only
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG. They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.
....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.
But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG. They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.
....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.
But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.
He's talking nonsense as far as his comments on VWR are concerned - just go to www.volkswagen.co.uk and follow the motorsport links...
Racingline are NOT like JKM, Regal, Awesome who do not have official links to VW. Of course, this is in no way a criticism of those other garages - I use JKM regularly and they have been nothing short of excellent.
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG. They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.
....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.
But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.
He's talking nonsense as far as his comments on VWR are concerned - just go to www.volkswagen.co.uk and follow the motorsport links...
What 'motorsport' links? :huh: I'm sorry, but your above comment proves absolutly nothing to back up your point of view.Racingline are NOT like JKM, Regal, Awesome who do not have official links to VW. Of course, this is in no way a criticism of those other garages - I use JKM regularly and they have been nothing short of excellent.
Again, I think you will be rather annoyed when I actually reveal the facts about VWR/RacingLine - a company who do NOT have any official 'ownership' ties with either VW UK or VW AG.
Again, I think you will be rather annoyed when I actually reveal the facts about VWR/RacingLine - a company who do NOT have any official 'ownership' ties with either VW UK or VW AG.
"....and our unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg".
IMO that statement doesnt clarify anything. I myself have a unique relationship with wolfsberg, in that I have never called them. In reference to the links with VW UK, surely a simple phone call to them would clarify the issue. no???
just my 2p worth :smiley:
If I was to give my opinion it almost seems as if VWracing are using their name to slightly kid people to think they are an arm of VW UK. Although saying that I have never met or spoken to anyone from them... and this is simply my opinion based on trying to find a link between the two. :smiley:
That seems like a fair point illyun! I think although the topic has strayed off point somewhat its still important to establish whats fact and whats simply hearsay.
I for one would not hesitate in trusting VWR with my car, and I think from a company specializing in racing VW's your probably not going to go far wrong if you were to trust them with yours. Obviously they do have an outstanding reputation, and the fact they are constantly testing their expertise around a track should give anyone enough confidence to pay them a visit should it be in their Gti or ED30. :smiley:
Bad T_T :tongue: making suggestions!!!
So, differences between the ED30 and the standard GTI......hmmmm.............
lol
I think Racing line and VW Racing are one and the same! and in bed with VW UK.
:smiley:
oh a lighter note...... WTF happened to that black rocco??? :cry: :cry:
VW racing are directly accessible from the VW UK website.
From the VW UK Website Performance page (from the VW world drop down menu) at this address below -
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/performance (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/performance)
Click VW racing, then VW racing again, then use the contact details tab bottom middle, and you end up with the contact details below:
Sporting, commercial & technical enquiries
Volkswagen Racing UK, 4 Quatro Park, Tanners Drive, Blakelands,
Milton Keynes MK14 5JA
Tel 01908 210088 Fax 01908 210044 email info@volkswagenracing.co.uk
And to finish taken directly from Racinglines website:
Racing Line Contact details - http://www.racinglineltd.co.uk/contactus.htm (http://www.racinglineltd.co.uk/contactus.htm)
RacingLine Limited
4 Quatro Park, Tanners Drive, Blakelands, Milton Keynes, MK14 5JA
Tel: 0044 (0)1908 210077
Fax: 0044 (0)1908 210044
I think Racing line and VW Racing are one and the same! and in bed with VW UK.
:smiley:
email: info@racingline.com
"In bed with?" - I'll be amused to hear Mark's response when we next speak, but certainly close!
Hell! Why am I having to prove all this?
oh a lighter note...... WTF happened to that black rocco??? :cry: :cry:
Mark was telling me that it was a BRAND NEW example from the showroom being built for a customer - who obviously has deep pockets! :shocked:
oh a lighter note...... WTF happened to that black rocco??? :cry: :cry:
Mark was telling me that it was a BRAND NEW example from the showroom being built for a customer - who obviously has deep pockets! :shocked:
Now that I would like to see when its complete :grin: :cool:
I forgot all about this thread.Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.The Seat cupra engine seems to have the same part numbers on ETKA for the parts you list as the S3 only
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
I can categorically confirm, as a fact, that those part numbers are NOT the same as the S3 engine. The S3 pistons actually have a different diameter to the rest of the 2.0TFSI engines.
But hey ho, if you want to believe this shocking myth arrogantly portrayed by a few alleged 'VAG specialists' - then feel free!
We don't.
Hell i don't careless either way to tell you the truth but what i do care about is I like to resolve issues that are in my head, just for my own peace of mind. I would like to know were im going wrong, what have i forgot or missed. I guess you could call it self improvment. We all learn from our mistakes through life but often only if someone tells you were you have gone wrong.
VW racing are directly accessible from the VW UK website.
From the VW UK Website Performance page (from the VW world drop down menu) at this address below -
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/performance (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/performance)
Click VW racing, then VW racing again, then use the contact details tab bottom middle, and you end up with the contact details below:
Sporting, commercial & technical enquiries
Volkswagen Racing UK, 4 Quatro Park, Tanners Drive, Blakelands,
Milton Keynes MK14 5JA
Tel 01908 210088 Fax 01908 210044 email info@volkswagenracing.co.uk
And to finish taken directly from Racinglines website:
Racing Line Contact details - http://www.racinglineltd.co.uk/contactus.htm (http://www.racinglineltd.co.uk/contactus.htm)
RacingLine Limited
4 Quatro Park, Tanners Drive, Blakelands, Milton Keynes, MK14 5JA
Tel: 0044 (0)1908 210077
Fax: 0044 (0)1908 210044
I think Racing line and VW Racing are one and the same! and in bed with VW UK.
:smiley:
email: info@racingline.com
The company was sold into private ownership in 2001, and has flourished since then into a successful multi-million pound business
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I think Racing line and VW Racing are one and the same! and in bed with VW UK.
:smiley:
....Yes they are the same - Well, to be technical, Racing Line own VW Racing IIRC.
"In bed with?" - I'll be amused to hear Mark's response when we next speak, but certainly close!
I was thinking of asking Mark, but I felt really stupid ringing him just to ask him something thats so obvious and also didn't want to waste the guys time :rolleyes: No doubt he would have explained in detail, but I would have felt a right prat afterwards. :grin:Hell! Why am I having to prove all this?
Exactly. I hope TT admits he just got it wrong - or at least stops talking about VWR without knowing their status with VW.
I forgot all about this thread.Wrong. The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.The Seat cupra engine seems to have the same part numbers on ETKA for the parts you list as the S3 only
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
I can categorically confirm, as a fact, that those part numbers are NOT the same as the S3 engine. The S3 pistons actually have a different diameter to the rest of the 2.0TFSI engines.
But hey ho, if you want to believe this shocking myth arrogantly portrayed by a few alleged 'VAG specialists' - then feel free!
May i ask your source of the information please, thanks.
May i also please ask you to explain to me why the part numbers are the same on every versions of ETKA i have seen to date if what you are saying is the case. I just want to clear up in my own head why these are shown the same part numbers on all versions of ETKA i have seen to date if its not the case.
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TT, Im not saying your wrong, im not saying im right. All i would like to do is to clear this up in my own head and thats all. Nothing more. Im not arguing or anything i would just like to know is ETKA wrong? What is your source? Why do i not understand. :sad: Is it something i have simply missed? :huh:
Im confused please explain.
A while back i also did this on another forum
The way i did this was go into each verson of ETKA and write down on a bit of paper the numbers for head complete, piston complete, camshaft intake, camshaft exhaust for each engine code for the edition 30 given above and the cupra and S3.
I then compared the numbers on my list, this is my findings. Im not saying they are correct.
S3 BHZ
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P or 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Seat Cupra BWJ
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P or 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Edition 30 BYD
Cylinder head complete 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G
Normal GTi BWA
Cylinder head complete 06F103063NX
Piston complete 06D107066C
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102B
Camshaft intake 06F109101B
Normal GTi AXX
Cylinder head complete 06F103063NX
Piston complete 06D107066D
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102B
Camshaft intake 06F109101B
Thats exactly the info I have been given by a lot of tuners - well JKM and VWR to name two.... however, there is STILL a slight possibilty that TT is correct after all. It depends on two separate things that are not clear.
1. The part numbers are given against what is the engine model - i.e. BHZ and BZC for the S3 and BYD or BDK for the Ed30. Are the parts unique for each engine model or are they identical as long as the part number is the same? I don't know how ETKA works here, but it would be interesting to know.
2. Apparently, the K03 turbo in the 1.8T Mk4 GTI has the same part number as the K03 in the Mk5. However, it is a compeltely different design and is uprated. This is in either a recent issue of PVW or Golf+ in an article. So part numbers can be the same, but parts different - but is this only in the case of an older part being superceded as is the case here - and so not applicable to the S3/Ed30 debate - or can contemporary parts be different?
....
I might add that all this debate/chat about Ed30-GTI differences in their part numbers takes us into the realms of geekish anoraks!
Why do we need to know?
We don't.
Hell i don't careless either way to tell you the truth but what i do care about is I like to resolve issues that are in my head, just for my own peace of mind. I would like to know were im going wrong, what have i forgot or missed. I guess you could call it self improvment. We all learn from our mistakes through life but often only if someone tells you were you have gone wrong.
Ditto.. plus I'd like to know for sure if I have an S3 engine lurking under the bonnet of my Ed30 :evil: :evil: :evil:
oooohhhhh!!!!! I love it when TT makes a come back!!
no wonder you were gone for so long, it must have taken yonks to write all that. Welcome back TT hope all is well :wink: :grin:
Is anyone else bored with all this you said I said??
Some of you clearly prefer talking about your cars rather than driving them. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: