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Offline Egbutt Wash

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #70 on: 29 January 2009, 14:16 »
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000.  If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000.  Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.

I dont loose £33 a day on mine :wink:

I think you might have logged on to the wrong site this morning Egbert... here's your usual link www.pennypinchers.com  :grin:

That's a rubbish web site.  Just a single page.  Rather like an R32, all name and no substance.
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #71 on: 29 January 2009, 15:04 »
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000.  If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000.  Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.

I dont loose £33 a day on mine :wink:

I think you might have logged on to the wrong site this morning Egbert... here's your usual link www.pennypinchers.com  :grin:

That's a rubbish web site.  Just a single page.  Rather like an R32, all name and no substance.

never been there... bit like you and your gti

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #72 on: 29 January 2009, 16:38 »
Handbags are out.... :grin: :laugh:






Oh and mines still for sale if anyone wants to buy it, £17,000 now no offers  :smiley:
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #73 on: 29 January 2009, 18:56 »
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000.  If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000.  Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #74 on: 29 January 2009, 21:04 »
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000.  If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000.  Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.

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You need to do more homework Egbert  :tongue: :tongue:

3 months ago you could pick up brand new R32's for £16,000

You obviously did'nt read this thread :

 http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=96405.0

a phrase with the words "shot" "in" "foot" comes to mind  :evil: :laugh:
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #75 on: 29 January 2009, 22:48 »
You can get a few months old one (3,300 miles) for £17,000.  If that cost £25,000 when new it's lost £8,000.  Say £1,000 per month.
If I was loosing £33 a day on a car I wouldn't crash it either.

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You need to do more homework Egbert  :tongue: :tongue:

3 months ago you could pick up brand new R32's for £16,000

You obviously did'nt read this thread :

 http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=96405.0

a phrase with the words "shot" "in" "foot" comes to mind  :evil: :laugh:

Three months ago I was in Queensland Australia.  I had better things to do than log on to this excellent GTI forum (not R32 forum please note).
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #76 on: 30 January 2009, 11:53 »
The ED30 has :

- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs

Wrong.  The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.  So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".

Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair  :grin:,  please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine ....  not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine.  And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.

Erm - you categorically did NOT.  What you wrote is clearly without ANY emphasis on "more than".  So under normal English Language conventions, I disagree.  However, if you are subsequently clarifying what you previously said, with some more appropriate text emphasis, then fine. :afro:


My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo.  VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur  :wink: :tongue: 

http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55

http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf

It has always been widely accepted that the Ed30 engine has a K04 turbo, and this has NEVER been in dispute.  What is disputed - is the simple issue that most peeps, and these so-called experts are 'economical with the truth' - and always seem to use blanket-kind of statements like "the Ed30 engine is the same as the S3", or the "Ed30 is just a detuned S3 engine" - or similar phrases.  Why do they do this?  I dunno, maybe 'journalistic licence', maybe one tuner wants to claim the highest bhp figures (willy waving) and backing it up with some kind of 'safety net' of saying that the Ed30 can handle mega high figures "because it is the same as an S3".

We can specualte all we like, but to be really pedantic - then only facts should be used.  The S3 engine has a number of crucial components which are NOT shared in any other engine, Ed30, Leon Cupra R or otherwise.  However, if we choose to ignore these simple facts, and try to hide behind some smokescreen - then it could be reasonable for someone to say that a standard 200PS GTI engine is "just a detuned S3 engine" !!!

As always in discussions like these, the devil is in the detail, and neither VAGTECH, nor APS have given "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #77 on: 30 January 2009, 12:13 »
The ED30 has :

- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs

Wrong.  The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.  So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".

Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair  :grin:,  please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine ....  not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine.  And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.

My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo.  VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur  :wink: :tongue: 

http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55

http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf

Although I think that TT is right 95% of the time and I do as a rule accept his opinion which is borne from years of experience and a lot of knowledge... there are occasions when he gets it wrong.

And I hope you will accept when I do get things wrong, I am always willing and able to accept that I was wrong.  However, with the 2.0 TFSI engine variants, there is a considerable amount of wrong information.  Look on tyresmoke and the general concensus was that it had an alloy block - I pointed this out, got viciously shot down in flames, calmly challenged them to provide hard evidence to prove me wrong.  They stated it was in the official self study guide, again being very hostile to me.  Again, I asked them to link to it, and bided my time.  Guess what - they all went quiet - no link - no proof - no nothing.  So I posted a link to the said document which they had so agressively claimed I was wrong -  suffice to say - the block is cast iron.  :angry:

All I am trying to say is that there are many others out there who are more than willing to accuse me of being wrong by kangaroo court, yet do so without any evidence of their own - but sadly, because someone has already labeled me as being wrong - mud sticks.  :rolleyes:

I do have thick skin - but I ALLWAYS post the truth/facts honestly and to the best of my abilites.  But to some, the truth hurts, and some can't take it when the truth may 'jeopardise' a potential sale.  :smug:

The guys at JKM have seen various engine parts for the S3 and Ed30 as well as the GTI and they have confirmed to me that the Ed30 engine is indeed different in many ways to the GTI and has more in common with the S3 engine with which it shares many parts.  I am being vague here about the exact details of what it shares as my memory fails me, but suffice to say that it corroborates what VW Driver magazine wrote.

If JKM told you that, then they are being extremely misleading!  :angry:  The standard GTI, the Ed30/Cupra, and the S3 engine all share many, MANY common parts - there are way more parts in common, than there are different parts.  I am not, and never have denied that there are 'differences' between engines - but whenever anyone makes the claim that "the engine in an Ed30 is the same as an S3" or similar types of statements, then I will always disagree, because as I have repeatedly stated, there are certain, uprated components which ONLY THE S3 ENGINE has.  Maybe you'd like to ask JKM to confirm the part numbers of the pistons, cylinder head and camshafts.  And then ask them to advise you of the actual technical differences.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #78 on: 30 January 2009, 12:16 »
a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.

The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt. :angry:

Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner  :wink:

I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).

I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.

A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.

OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.

Robinsons, Cookes or KL VW????

Robbo's....

I had my S-line A4 off them Apr '06 and they did a top deal.

Norwich, Walsham or Lowestoft?  I am surprised you got a good deal from them.  Whenever I have tried negociating a deal on a car, they have generally been the worst.  Maybe the bean counters have been pressing them to shift metal - whatever the cost.  They are competative on servicing, if you haggle though.
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #79 on: 30 January 2009, 12:19 »
Right... I have just spoken to someone at VWRacing and they confirmed that the S3 and Ed30 engines (and that Seat Leon Cupra) are identical.  Thats right Ed30 boys, it IS the bargain of the century as VW Driver rightly pointed out and it DOES share its engine with the S3.  The guy at VWRacing told me that he knows this from experience working with the cars AND confirmation from VW technicans.  As far as I am concerned, thats the end of any uncertainty as to whether they are the same or not.

I'm sorry, but they are WRONG.  Different technical specifications to pistons, cylinder heads and camshafts.

Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG.  They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.
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