Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....

[Saint Steve]

sorry clive 

[clive]

no worries Phil

[TagnuT]

Cheers clive & Phil

[ifti]

Sorry for being a noob, but I dont understand these graphs and what they show?
Im assuming its how the turbo kicks in, in rlation to the revs?

In simple terms, what does it show?? That the GTI is better at lower revs, and the ED30 better at higher?? Overall, Im still assuming the ED30 is the faster car between the two. Am I correct to assume this?

[illyun]

I prefer'd the ride quality on the Std GTi, not quite as jittery or (bump wallow)

Erm, a standard GTI on 18"s will have EXACTLY the same ride quality as an Ed30 - because they have identical suspension.  The only thing which would make a difference in ride quality is differing tyres.

And you owned both models??? or am i dreaming and you text book of knowledge is more then someones personal experiance and others that have owner std GTi's and Ed30's.

You own a std GTi and an RS4, so how do you know in "the real world" the difference if youve not lived with an Edition 30???

oh and just for you T_T

All in my opinion   

I've owned both and I have to agree with Phil... 

[Saint Steve]

I prefer'd the ride quality on the Std GTi, not quite as jittery or (bump wallow)

Erm, a standard GTI on 18"s will have EXACTLY the same ride quality as an Ed30 - because they have identical suspension.  The only thing which would make a difference in ride quality is differing tyres.

And you owned both models??? or am i dreaming and you text book of knowledge is more then someones personal experiance and others that have owner std GTi's and Ed30's.

You own a std GTi and an RS4, so how do you know in "the real world" the difference if youve not lived with an Edition 30???

oh and just for you T_T

All in my opinion   

I've owned both and I have to agree with Phil... 

cheers illyan. Glad im not the only one that knows this 

[JonnyG]

The ED30 has :

- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs

Wrong.  The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.  So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".

Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair  ,  please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine ....  not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine.  And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.

My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo.  VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur   

http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55

http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf

[illyun]

The ED30 has :

- 230bhp Engine which is more like a detuned S3 engine, with K04 turbocharger and other bits and bobs

Wrong.  The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts.  So the Ed30 is NOT a "detuned S3 engine".

Now now Mr TT, that's a bit unfair  ,  please read my post again slowly ......I said MORE LIKE a detuned S3 engine ....  not that it WAS an actual detuned S3 engine.  And I was comparing it with the standard GTI engine.

My post was based on many articles which describe that the ED30 engine has been strengthened internally as well as having the K04 turbo.  VAGTECH and Volkswagen Driver mag also concur   

http://www.vagtech.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=55

http://www.autops.co.uk/VolkswagenDriverMay2008_VW_E30.pdf

Although I think that TT is right 95% of the time and I do as a rule accept his opinion which is borne from years of experience and a lot of knowledge... there are occasions when he gets it wrong.  The guys at JKM have seen various engine parts for the S3 and Ed30 as well as the GTI and they have confirmed to me that the Ed30 engine is indeed different in many ways to the GTI and has more in common with the S3 engine with which it shares many parts.  I am being vague here about the exact details of what it shares as my memory fails me, but suffice to say that it corroborates what VW Driver magazine wrote.

[pitch3110]

a good spec one, a year old.... about 16k
Pistonheads website, best place for cared for cars, or your pay more at a VW dealer and sting you for the extra's the car has over a more basic version.

The line the dealers tell you ( it makes no difference what Factory fit extra's it has come trade in) yet your pay the premium price when buying from their forecourt.

Private seller best bargain.16k good spec, your on a winner 

I'm on the look now for a nice Ed30, hence joining you chaps yesterday & posting in the wanted (in case anyone hears of a nice one locally).

I thought I would call the local stealer late Friday to enquire if anything was heading in.
Lovely email back........................'08 car, sensors, cruise & MFSW...........wait for it...........£19,450.00.

A very nice response sent back, explaining to him '08 examples up for 2.5k-4k less than his sourced car, my view on the economy & the motoring industry & what I am expecting this year in business.

OBVIOUSLY...................The worlds down turn is not effecting our local Norfolk VW dealership.

Robinsons, Cookes or KL VW?

Robbo's....

I had my S-line A4 off them Apr '06 and they did a top deal.

[illyun]

Right... I have just spoken to someone at VWRacing and they confirmed that the S3 and Ed30 engines (and that Seat Leon Cupra) are identical.  Thats right Ed30 boys, it IS the bargain of the century as VW Driver rightly pointed out and it DOES share its engine with the S3.  The guy at VWRacing told me that he knows this from experience working with the cars AND confirmation from VW technicans.  As far as I am concerned, thats the end of any uncertainty as to whether they are the same or not.