Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....

[illyun]

"In bed with?" - I'll be amused to hear Mark's response when we next speak, but certainly close!

I was thinking of asking Mark, but I felt really stupid ringing him just to ask him something thats so obvious and also didn't want to waste the guys time   No doubt he would have explained in detail, but I would have felt a right prat afterwards. 

Hell! Why am I having to prove all this?

Exactly.  I hope TT admits he just got it wrong - or at least stops talking about VWR without knowing their status with VW.

[R32UK]

oh a lighter note...... WTF happened to that black rocco??? 

Mark was telling me that it was a BRAND NEW example from the showroom being built for a customer - who obviously has deep pockets!   

Now that I would like to see when its complete

[RedRobin]

oh a lighter note...... WTF happened to that black rocco??? 

Mark was telling me that it was a BRAND NEW example from the showroom being built for a customer - who obviously has deep pockets!   

Now that I would like to see when its complete

....As illyun posted, it came straight from the showroom to VWR to be stripped and rebuilt for the track for a private client. The other 'Rocco in the pic was rebuilt by VWR too.

Someone get this back on topic or have we exhausted that subject? I'm feeling guilty of having to push this off-topic earlier.

[Saint Steve]

ok back on track............................................

Mapped GTi nearly or as fast as a standard Ed30 or may or may not be...who knows  

sumed up in 1 complete sentence .

[Snoopy]

Wrong.  The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts. 

The Seat cupra engine seems to have the same part numbers on ETKA for the parts you list as the S3 only

Cylinder head complete 06F103063P
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G

I can categorically confirm, as a fact, that those part numbers are NOT the same as the S3 engine.  The S3 pistons actually have a different diameter to the rest of the 2.0TFSI engines.

But hey ho, if you want to believe this shocking myth arrogantly portrayed by a few alleged 'VAG specialists' - then feel free!

I forgot all about this thread.
May i ask your source of the information please, thanks.
May i also please ask you to explain to me why the part numbers are the same on every versions of ETKA i have seen to date if what you are saying is the case. I just want to clear up in my own head why these are shown the same part numbers on all versions of ETKA i have seen to date if its not the case.







TT, Im not saying your wrong, im not saying im right. All i would like to do is to clear this up in my own head and thats all. Nothing more. Im not arguing or anything i would just like to know is ETKA wrong? What is your source? Why do i not understand. Is it something i have simply missed?
Im confused please explain.



A while back i also did this on another forum

The way i did this was go into each verson of ETKA and write down on a bit of paper the numbers for head complete, piston complete, camshaft intake, camshaft exhaust for each engine code for the edition 30 given above and the cupra and S3.

I then compared the numbers on my list, this is my findings. Im not saying they are correct.

S3 BHZ
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P or 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G

Seat Cupra BWJ
Cylinder head complete 06F103063P or 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G

Edition 30 BYD
Cylinder head complete 06F103063PX
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G



Normal GTi BWA
Cylinder head complete 06F103063NX
Piston complete 06D107066C
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102B
Camshaft intake 06F109101B

Normal GTi AXX
Cylinder head complete 06F103063NX
Piston complete 06D107066D
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102B
Camshaft intake 06F109101B

[illyun]

Thats exactly the info I have been given by a lot of tuners - well JKM and VWR to name two.... however, there is STILL a slight possibilty that TT is correct after all.  It depends on two separate things that are not clear.

1. The part numbers are given against what is the engine model - i.e. BHZ and BZC for the S3 and BYD or BDK for the Ed30.  Are the parts unique for each engine model or are they identical as long as the part number is the same?  I don't know how ETKA works here, but it would be interesting to know.

2. Apparently, the K03 turbo in the 1.8T Mk4 GTI has the same part number as the K03 in the Mk5. However, it is a compeltely different design and is uprated.  This is in either a recent issue of PVW or Golf+ in an article.  So part numbers can be the same, but parts different - but is this only in the case of an older part being superceded as is the case here - and so not applicable to the S3/Ed30 debate - or can contemporary parts be different?

[RedRobin]

^^^^

I'm not able to say if your suggestion #2 is right or wrong, illyun, but if the referencing works in the way you suggest it might, then it seems to render the system almost pointless and certainly misleading and contradictory.

[RedRobin]

....

I might add that all this debate/chat about Ed30-GTI differences in their part numbers takes us into the realms of geekish anoraks!

Why do we need to know?

[Snoopy]

We don't.
Hell i don't careless either way to tell you the truth but what i do care about is I like to resolve issues that are in my head, just for my own peace of mind. I would like to know were im going wrong, what have i forgot or missed. I guess you could call it self improvment. We all learn from our mistakes through life but often only if someone tells you were you have gone wrong.

[illyun]

We don't.
Hell i don't careless either way to tell you the truth but what i do care about is I like to resolve issues that are in my head, just for my own peace of mind. I would like to know were im going wrong, what have i forgot or missed. I guess you could call it self improvment. We all learn from our mistakes through life but often only if someone tells you were you have gone wrong.

Ditto.. plus I'd like to know for sure if I have an S3 engine lurking under the bonnet of my Ed30