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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #80 on: 30 January 2009, 12:29 »
As I said before some time ago.. short block for the ED30/S3 have the same part numbers. Head and cams are different.

Thank-you.

And the pistons are very different too.  The S3 pistons are made to a much tighter tollerance to any other TFSI piston, different materials, different expansion rates, different thermal properties.


And this isn't directed at you Toph, but the others who refer to "VW technicians" - well if the average VW tecchy doesn't even know the difference between the various oils or servicing regimes - you know - those 'bread and butter' activities which they do on a daily basis, what fcuking chance have they got of any serious in-depth knowledge of an AUDI S3 piston - which they will probably have never got their grubby mits on?  :rolleyes:

Here - here is a link to some 'self proclaimed' "18 year trained VW main dealer tech" who can't even grasp the basics of service intervals: http://www.ukvag.co.uk/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=26&func=view&id=1646&catid=18  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #81 on: 30 January 2009, 12:32 »
As I said before some time ago.. short block for the ED30/S3 have the same part numbers. Head and cams are different.


Yup, the guy also said that the head of the Ed30 was different to the normal GTI - i.e. uprated.

Nope, althouth the heads of the standard GTI and the Ed30 may have different part numbers, they are made of an identical specification material, to an identical material standard - therefore NOT uprated.  Different, yes, but uprated, no.
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #82 on: 30 January 2009, 12:35 »

It's actually the freaky R32'ers that have a lot to prove.

Difference is we dont crash ours :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:


Ahhhhh, the joys of Haldex traction:




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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #83 on: 30 January 2009, 12:35 »
I've taken everything a vw tech has said to me with a pinch of salt since my turbo 'incident' 5 years ago.

"no sir that noise is normal, and it doesn't feel down on power to me" (they'd dropped a nut in my turbo inlet while changing the MAF.. you can imagine the resulting damage.)

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #84 on: 30 January 2009, 12:43 »
I've taken everything a vw tech has said to me with a pinch of salt since my turbo 'incident' 5 years ago.

"no sir that noise is normal, and it doesn't feel down on power to me" (they'd dropped a nut in my turbo inlet while changing the MAF.. you can imagine the resulting damage.)

Yikes, that is seriously cringeworthy.  :cry:  I would need some serious restraint from preventing a subsequent "interface of 18" stilsons to forhead of technician".  :angry:

Remind me again, why don't I trust most main dealer tecchies?  :evil:
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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #85 on: 07 February 2009, 13:37 »
Wrong.  The S3 has many unique uprated components which are NOT shared with any other TFSI engine, including different pistons, cylinder head, PCV, and camshafts. 
The Seat cupra engine seems to have the same part numbers on ETKA for the parts you list as the S3 only

Cylinder head complete 06F103063P
Piston complete 06D107066K
Camshaft exhaust 06F109102D
Camshaft intake 06F109101G

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #86 on: 07 February 2009, 15:19 »
How do the heated seats in the ED30 work??
Can you set then to start heating before you get in the car - with the key fob for example?
If not, how long do they take to heat up? Can you set the temperature etc?

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #87 on: 07 February 2009, 15:45 »
The seats have five settings to them (plus OFF!). You cannot pre-heat the heaters as my understanding is that they are linked to both the ignition and the seat sensors that detect someone is sitting on them.

They take less than a minute to warm up. Setting one is mild and setting 5 feels so warm it is probably uncomfortable to keep at that setting.

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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #88 on: 07 February 2009, 18:11 »
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG.  They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.

....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.

But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.



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Re: Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....
« Reply #89 on: 07 February 2009, 18:26 »
Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG.  They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.

....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.

But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.





He's talking nonsense as far as his comments on VWR are concerned - just go to www.volkswagen.co.uk and follow the motorsport links... Racingline are NOT like JKM, Regal, Awesome who do not have official links to VW.  Of course, this is in no way a criticism of those other garages - I use JKM regularly and they have been nothing short of excellent.
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