Standard GTI and Edition 30 Differences.....

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG.  They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.

....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.

But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.

He's talking nonsense as far as his comments on VWR are concerned - just go to www.volkswagen.co.uk and follow the motorsport links...

What 'motorsport' links?    I'm sorry, but your above comment proves absolutly nothing to back up your point of view.

Racingline are NOT like JKM, Regal, Awesome who do not have official links to VW.  Of course, this is in no way a criticism of those other garages - I use JKM regularly and they have been nothing short of excellent.

Again, I think you will be rather annoyed when I actually reveal the facts about VWR/RacingLine - a company who do NOT have any official 'ownership' ties with either VW UK or VW AG.

[illyun]

Don't forget, VWRacing do NOT have any official ties with Volkswagen UK or Volkswagen AG.  They are just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks.

....Is that so? - Well, VWR/RacingLine state that they have 10 years of building the 'works' race and rally cars for Volkswagen Group UK and have a unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg. They are absolutely NOT "just another private tuning company, just like Awesome GTI, Regal, JKM or even Demon Tweaks." as you claim. Have you had any direct dealings with VWR/RacingLine at all T_T? - If you had, I think you'd know that they are very different indeed from the companies you mention.

But, be that as it may, there appear to be some differences between the various engines as already discussed and who am I to question those who have such an intimate knowledge of all those ETKA numbers. I'm not 'qualified' to take part in that debate.

He's talking nonsense as far as his comments on VWR are concerned - just go to www.volkswagen.co.uk and follow the motorsport links...

What 'motorsport' links?    I'm sorry, but your above comment proves absolutly nothing to back up your point of view.

Racingline are NOT like JKM, Regal, Awesome who do not have official links to VW.  Of course, this is in no way a criticism of those other garages - I use JKM regularly and they have been nothing short of excellent.

Again, I think you will be rather annoyed when I actually reveal the facts about VWR/RacingLine - a company who do NOT have any official 'ownership' ties with either VW UK or VW AG.

Sorry TT, you seem to be very good at typing so much that I thought a quick search on the VW website would be a breeze for you...   anyway, no one is saying that VW 'own' Racingline as you misleadingly suggest that Robin is saying.  As for Racingline running VWRacing which is a VW programme as far as I know, its on their website - http://www.volkswagenracing.co.uk/about.html .

Maybe its all false as you say in which case I'm surprised that VW haven't sued them... maybe you should ring VW and tell them as they're obviously not aware according to you 

[illyun]

Again, I think you will be rather annoyed when I actually reveal the facts about VWR/RacingLine - a company who do NOT have any official 'ownership' ties with either VW UK or VW AG.

Well I'm waiting with baited breath.. go on... spill the beans      BTW, you also seem to be missing the point, which is that VWR have an unrivalled experience in the UK with VWs when it comes to Motorsport, which is why I have used them in the past and because of my overwhelmingly positive experience, wouldn't hesitate to use them in future.

Oh and while you're at it, can you provide firm evidence to back up you S3/Ed30 claims.... maybe a photo of a document, or a link, or something other than your logic which so far seems to amount to, I know almost everything and I say so, so I'm right

[R32UK]

"....and our unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg".

IMO that statement doesnt clarify anything. I myself have a unique relationship with wolfsberg, in that I have never called them. In reference to the links with VW UK, surely a simple phone call to them would clarify the issue. no???

just my 2p worth

[illyun]

"....and our unique relationship with the factory in Wolfsburg".

IMO that statement doesnt clarify anything. I myself have a unique relationship with wolfsberg, in that I have never called them. In reference to the links with VW UK, surely a simple phone call to them would clarify the issue. no???

just my 2p worth

As I've said before, if you go to the official VW website and follow the motorsport links to VWR, they seamlessly go on to a site which doesn't look much different and has RacingLine 2008 (c) on the bottom.  I don't see why VW would allow them to pose as offical VW Motorsport reps on their site otherwise...

[R32UK]

Was just pointing out that the wording on their site doesnt really clarify anything in terms of their link to wolfsberg. Couldnt actually find a link from vw to volkswagenracing website either.

Just a link to VW racing cup which doesnt have a mention of vwracing or racing line. tbh I dont really know anything about VWracing (racingline) but judging by the 2 sites I cant seem to find any common link (unless I have missed something).

If I was to give my opinion it almost seems as if VWracing are using their name to slightly kid people to think they are an arm of VW UK. Although saying that I have never met or spoken to anyone from them... and this is simply my opinion based on trying to find a link between the two.

This in no way is meant to lead you to believe that VWRacing are not the best at what they do... just that after my little bit of research (which i spend alot of time on the net doing btw) has not managed to find any conclusive proof that the two are linked in anyway. Just thought I would share my findings, even if the time spent looking was over a quick cuppa.

[RedRobin]

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"VW Racing" are not an arm of VW UK and neither do they claim to be - AFAIK They are independent.

Regarding other links they may or may not have with various parts of VW, absence on a public web site is not conclusive evidence that such working relationships don't exist.

Although this topic has gone somewhat off topic, some serious allegations have been made and I think it's fair that they are answered so I hope this thread isn't 'cleaned up' just yet. 
 

[illyun]

If I was to give my opinion it almost seems as if VWracing are using their name to slightly kid people to think they are an arm of VW UK. Although saying that I have never met or spoken to anyone from them... and this is simply my opinion based on trying to find a link between the two.

Thats OK ... I think the only person misleading here is unfortunately TT.  Not sure what his problem is tbh.  VWR never have claimed to be an arm or subsidiary of VW.  They just run VWRacing for VW and are authorised to build motorsport cars for VW... go to VW World on the VW website, then Racing and then the Motorsport Link... this leads to the VW Cup site and the shop has Racingline (c) on the website.  Or have a look at this - Racingline are the only permitted builders of motorsport Sciroccos, although this is for the UK only http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/117

[R32UK]

That seems like a fair point illyun! I think although the topic has strayed off point somewhat its still important to establish whats fact and whats simply hearsay.

I for one would not hesitate in trusting VWR with my car, and I think from a company specializing in racing VW's your probably not going to go far wrong if you were to trust them with yours. Obviously they do have an outstanding reputation, and the fact they are constantly testing their expertise around a track should give anyone enough confidence to pay them a visit should it be in their Gti or ED30.

Bad T_T  making suggestions!!!

[ifti]

So, differences between the ED30 and the standard GTI......hmmmm.............

lol