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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: deanpoli on 27 October 2007, 15:03
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Hi All,
looking trade to trade in my standard GTi for an R32, question is...is it worth paying couple of grand to trade up to the R32?
like to hear the thoughts of you all who have driven R32, what they feel like to drive, and is the handling better than standard GTI? can you go faster in the bends? Does it body roll less?
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personally, I have a regular GTI and drive a lot in the city and don't drive like a nutter, but don't get that great MPG. so I don't see the point of paying extra to run a 3.2 litre, also with the increased premiums and nickability. just my 2 pence worth. :nerd:
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Funny you should mention this as I was only just reading in an old car mag about these 2 against each other earlier today.
They basicly said that the R32 was thirstier, handled less well due to the extra weight up front and didn't feel "special" over the standard GTi even with the optional leather and sat nav. Their conclusion was buy a well spec'd Gti as it was the better car.
It was CAR magazine and they were testing them with the Astra VXR, Focus ST, Megane Cup or whatever its called, Mini Cooper S Works and BMW 130. The focus came 1st mostly due to price and the GTi 2nd. The R32 came about 5th.
Nick
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if it were me i'd remap the GTI; it will be faster than an R32 point to point and return reasonable MPG
also R32 is £400 plus in road tax now coupled with stupid petrol prices and it will hurt you very hard in the pocket
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taken from Golf+ Feb 06 test Gti v R32
"so which one? If i wanted an everyday, junior supercar with rock solid dynamic and kudos by the bucketload the R32 is hard to argue with. But if i was going to tune it, then the GTi would certainly get the thumbs up. Cost effective 270+ bhp conversions already exist with 300bhp possible for less than £3K, but that four-cylinder lump will never rival the presence and character of the R32's six-ot war cry. Only trouble is V^ tuning doesn't come cheap and neither does the base spec R32 at £23745. It's horses for courses really, but either way you'll end up with a satisfied grin on your face.....
Just happened to be reading the article earlier today....Prsonally i prefer the look of the GTi ovr the 32 but can afford neither!!! Great article tho get a back copy and read it!!!!
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3 things to like only on the R32,
1. the sound
2.tinted rear light clusters.
3.The Alloys.
2 of those are changable, i totally agree, i high spec GTi is the Best allrounder if you dont have a growing family that is :sick: :cry:
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i seen an R32 behind me the other day and i have to say it looked fantic!!!!
It certainly had presence.
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R32 = Jetta :lipsrsealed:
MKIV R32 looks much better :cool:
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If your even thinking of changing.. then lets face it.. its time to do it!! Buy the R32 its simply a more serious tool. If you know how to drive you can have as much fun with this car as you can with almost anything. Its simply brilliant!! Drive it fast, drive it slow, it sounds wonderful (not cheap).. Even the most basic of spec makes it feel special. Your probably on the wrong board to be asking this question as the number of gti drivers easily outweighs the number of R32 drivers. However read the "R32 review" thread at the top of this page and once you have read what each offers I am sure it will help you make up your mind.. as I did!!
Im sure you will enjoy them both :grin:
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My humble opinion - stated on various other posts at length - is that:
1. The GTI handles better and is more nimble than the R32, but only by a small amount.
2. The GTI has a better history and iconic status than the R32 so long term the Ed30 may well hold its value better than an R32.
3. You can easily and cheaply tune the GTI - not so the R32
Which car do I prefer?
Hands down the R32 :evil: :evil: :evil:
1. The sound alone makes it worth buying.
2. It may not be photogenic, but in the flesh it is awesome and has presence - esp the Deep Blue Pearlescent one :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
3. The V6 engine does not at all feel strained at any point unlike the 2.0 TFSI
4. It feels special when you drive it compared to the GTI
5. Its 4WD so who cares about ice or rain :evil: :evil: :evil:
So why didn't I keep my R32? Simply for reasons 2 and 3 above (from the first set of points) - oh and the fuel economy :sick: :sick: :sick: which isn't too bad for a 3.2 engine but with petrol prices at an all time high and tax rising to £400 it just did not make sense for me :cry:
However, I intend on buying a second hand one in the next 12 months - while keeping the Ed30 in the garage - and driving it for 6-12 months just to hear that V6 growl for one last time :evil: :evil:
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interesting points. I only do 3000 miles a year in my GTI so based on that mileage, how much more would it cost to run an R32?
considering I do about 30 - 45 miles a week costing £20 spreading over nearly 2 weeks. how much more do you think id have to spend on petrol?
Think this would be a good guide for others who are thinking of buying an R32 to know the petrol consumption differences.
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i would say in the region of 5mpg difference round town.Expect GTi to do 26mpg and R32 20-22.Do bear in mind we all dont live in town centres were as if you live in a place like cornwall where traffic lights are unheard of, then u would get as much as 8-10 mpg more imo
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that doesn't seem to bad, I usually get about 24 mpg on average commuting to work , depending on the traffic, can fall to about 18 mpg.
so the R32 is about the same really.
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R32 = Jetta :lipsrsealed:
MKIV R32 looks much better :cool:
+1
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I probably would have bought the R32 if it had been launched yet when I ordered my GTI. I borrowed a Mk5 R32 for the day and drove it back to back on the same road route to compare. Loved each for different reasons - Very much as Illyun has posted. However, I prefer the looks of the GTI and it would have cost me about £4grand to swop. I'm afraid I drove that R32 very hard and it drank the fuel tank and would have lost me my licence! Superb V6 music, even without a Milltek.
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I'm afraid I drove that R32 very hard and it drank the fuel tank and would have lost me my licence! Superb V6 music, even without a Milltek.
That was my problem.. I demanded the V6 Orchestra play encore after encore when behind the wheel :evil: :evil: :evil: Probably why I was at the petrol station almost every day and still wake up in a cold sweat at the thought of how much money I spent on fuel when owning the R32 :shocked: I could have got better fuel economy out of it by driving it like I do my GTI, but I challenge anyone to get behind the wheel of the beast that is the R32 and then drive like a granny - impossible :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Best car I have ever owned.
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I agree totally.. if the R32 isnt going to cost you that much more in petrol then I would run with it!! Is a great car and I have even changed my opinion of the looks. I see Gti's all day long but the R32 is a much rarer sight on the roads, and this is probably why they take a little longer getting used to. But no doubt those who see them in the flesh often change their minds.
Biggest worry after buying one is how long you can hold onto your licence for.. effortless power simply beautiful music!
And.. to be honest I would expect the R to hold its value better than the Gti just simply because its usually released later on and the simple fact that its the daddy!! :grin:
Think I will just quickly pop out for a drive to return something to somewhere far away for no apparent reason :smug:
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whats the ride like? does it body roll less than th GTI when going fast into corners?
but as you do this do you notice more or less understeer than a GTI? now seeing that it has 4 wheel drive i'm hoping to hear a response by that u can drive faster into the corners than you can with a GTI? is this right?
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if i had the money now i would trade in my GTI and get a new R32!
Two reasons:
1. Looks Gorgoues
2. V6
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whats the ride like? does it body roll less than th GTI when going fast into corners?
but as you do this do you notice more or less understeer than a GTI? now seeing that it has 4 wheel drive i'm hoping to hear a response by that u can drive faster into the corners than you can with a GTI? is this right?
I didn't feel more body roll in the corners - it was justheavier thats all. At the limit, the R32 will drift into a gentle slide but as far as how fast you drive into corners is concerned, i think it depends on the weather with the GTI :rolleyes: The suspension is stiffer than the GTI and I am sure the R32 sits lower too.
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Think I will just quickly pop out for a drive to return something to somewhere far away for no apparent reason :smug:
GTI and R32 both great cars but as has been mentioned simply in different ways. I had a GTTDI before and I knew it would double my fuel bill - it has but my word its worth it. Since having my R I regularly just go out for a drive! Just to experience it. My Deep Blue Pearl R turns heads every day, just as ilyun said seems to get more attention in the blue. For me, every time I drive my R its like getting in it for the first time every time. I wanted a high spec build and buliding a GTI would have worked out more expensive than what I got my 6 month old fully loaded R32 for.
Main thing is I think its hard to campare the two side by side and then state which is better. Each to your own personal taste for either GTI or R32. If you dont know which one to choose get a good long test drive in both!
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What is this talk about GTI vs R32 anyway? It's been done to DEATH.
I'd take Nissan GT-R. :kiss:
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What is this talk about GTI vs R32 anyway? It's been done to DEATH.
I'd take Nissan GT-R. :kiss:
Thats why ur driving around in an ED30 xD
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What is this talk about GTI vs R32 anyway? It's been done to DEATH.
I'd take Nissan GT-R. :kiss:
Thats why ur driving around in an ED30 xD
Well, Nissan GT-R is not out till 2009. And my E30 has nothing to do with GT-R! :smiley:
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Yes this subject has been covered many times, and I suppose will continue to be, as long as the two cars appeal, for me their much harder cars to separate, and now I no longer own either I feel I can offer an unbiased opinion.
Firstly there’s much talk of the R32 being heavy and not handling so well, in fact I found it to be the opposite, at least when pushing hard, the R32 got more secure than the GTi at speed, and ALWAYS felt well planted, whereas my GTi used to cock a rear wheel under hard cornering and get a bit unsettled over rougher roads.
I think the sound of the two cars has been covered, so enough said, performance wise the GTi feel more lively, with a sudden rush around 2k RPM, where the R is much more linier and less strained, sometimes feeling slower, but it’s not until you look at the speedo, you realise how well it covers ground.
I managed to get a regurlar 30 MPG out of my R, compared to 33-34 form the GTi, so not so different, what you will notice is the fuel tank rage between fil-up’s the R could have done with another 5-8 litres of tank capacity, but consumption alone, there’s no getting away from the road tax hike, thanks to Gordon Brown.
My R had the manual gearbox, and for me this is where the problem lies, I have come to the conclusion that small 4wd cars with manual transmissions from VAG don’t work that well, having owned a TT225 and R32 both cars suffer from driveline shunt spoiling the overall enjoyment. I could never get a smooth gear change in the low gears, this made me tune into the problem, which resulted in every drive being a battle between me and the car. It’s quite possible the DSG would solve this issue, but I don’t know.
On the plus side the DPB paint on the R is just stunning, getting look’s of admiration every where I went.
My ultimate choice would be..
3 Door
DBP
GTi
R32 wheels
Manual
Leather
Xenon’s
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i wonder if anyone has a spare R32 engine to put in mine before i sell her!!, would be a good combo :laugh:
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Yes this subject has been covered many times, and I suppose will continue to be, as long as the two cars appeal, for me their much harder cars to separate, and now I no longer own either I feel I can offer an unbiased opinion.
Firstly there’s much talk of the R32 being heavy and not handling so well, in fact I found it to be the opposite, at least when pushing hard, the R32 got more secure than the GTi at speed, and ALWAYS felt well planted, whereas my GTi used to c*ck a rear wheel under hard cornering and get a bit unsettled over rougher roads.
I think the sound of the two cars has been covered, so enough said, performance wise the GTi feel more lively, with a sudden rush around 2k RPM, where the R is much more linier and less strained, sometimes feeling slower, but it’s not until you look at the speedo, you realise how well it covers ground.
I managed to get a regurlar 30 MPG out of my R, compared to 33-34 form the GTi, so not so different, what you will notice is the fuel tank rage between fil-up’s the R could have done with another 5-8 litres of tank capacity, but consumption alone, there’s no getting away from the road tax hike, thanks to Gordon Brown.
My R had the manual gearbox, and for me this is where the problem lies, I have come to the conclusion that small 4wd cars with manual transmissions from VAG don’t work that well, having owned a TT225 and R32 both cars suffer from driveline shunt spoiling the overall enjoyment. I could never get a smooth gear change in the low gears, this made me tune into the problem, which resulted in every drive being a battle between me and the car. It’s quite possible the DSG would solve this issue, but I don’t know.
On the plus side the DPB paint on the R is just stunning, getting look’s of admiration every where I went.
My ultimate choice would be..
3 Door
DBP
GTi
R32 wheels
Manual
Leather
Xenon’s
Cant say mine has ever given me any trouble.. it just takes a little while to master!!
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Yes this subject has been covered many times, and I suppose will continue to be, as long as the two cars appeal, for me their much harder cars to separate, and now I no longer own either I feel I can offer an unbiased opinion.
Firstly there’s much talk of the R32 being heavy and not handling so well, in fact I found it to be the opposite, at least when pushing hard, the R32 got more secure than the GTi at speed, and ALWAYS felt well planted, whereas my GTi used to c*ck a rear wheel under hard cornering and get a bit unsettled over rougher roads.
I think the sound of the two cars has been covered, so enough said, performance wise the GTi feel more lively, with a sudden rush around 2k RPM, where the R is much more linier and less strained, sometimes feeling slower, but it’s not until you look at the speedo, you realise how well it covers ground.
I managed to get a regurlar 30 MPG out of my R, compared to 33-34 form the GTi, so not so different, what you will notice is the fuel tank rage between fil-up’s the R could have done with another 5-8 litres of tank capacity, but consumption alone, there’s no getting away from the road tax hike, thanks to Gordon Brown.
My R had the manual gearbox, and for me this is where the problem lies, I have come to the conclusion that small 4wd cars with manual transmissions from VAG don’t work that well, having owned a TT225 and R32 both cars suffer from driveline shunt spoiling the overall enjoyment. I could never get a smooth gear change in the low gears, this made me tune into the problem, which resulted in every drive being a battle between me and the car. It’s quite possible the DSG would solve this issue, but I don’t know.
On the plus side the DPB paint on the R is just stunning, getting look’s of admiration every where I went.
My ultimate choice would be..
3 Door
DBP
GTi
R32 wheels
Manual
Leather
Xenon’s
Cant say mine has ever given me any trouble.. it just takes a little while to master!!
I suppose we all have different expectations.
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how da hell you get 30mpg!!!
they're both good cars
i have the r32 as i wanted to own one sort of unique car/fast car
it is not much more expensive, insurance is actually cheaper for me believe it or not but the fuel bill is high
living in london it's a killer, £20 = about 80-90 miles especially coming from a 1.2 POLO :evil:
most people would tell you to try both and see but ultimately you might want to consider what your aims are when buying the car?
saying that though i am thinking of getting shot of my car shortly, any ideas of what the next one should be? :embarassed:
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What is this talk about GTI vs R32 anyway? It's been done to DEATH.
I'd take Nissan GT-R. :kiss:
Yes, now that is a :drool:
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any ideas of what the next one should be? :embarassed:
A bluemotion Golf GTi would be "The Carlsberg " answer. Ever considered what Jezza Clarkson drove into BBC television centre.......on topgear Sunday
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/Beaulieudayout020.jpg)
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Awww.......Just looks like his Dad :smiley:
When you getting the Passat Phil?
Edit: you just answered that one.
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I love to talk on golf related subject. You seem just like a golf expert. Thanks for sharing.
Welcome to the forum Mark... you do realise you have just pulled up a thread that finished in 2007??? :huh: :rolleyes:
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Funny you should mention this as I was only just reading in an old car mag about these 2 against each other earlier today.
They basicly said that the R32 was thirstier, handled less well due to the extra weight up front and didn't feel "special" over the standard GTi even with the optional leather and sat nav. Their conclusion was buy a well spec'd Gti as it was the better car.
It was CAR magazine and they were testing them with the Astra VXR, Focus ST, Megane Cup or whatever its called, Mini Cooper S Works and BMW 130. The focus came 1st mostly due to price and the GTi 2nd. The R32 came about 5th.
Nick
is this online
or anyone got a copy to put online to view?
thanks
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how da hell you get 30mpg!!!
they're both good cars
i have the r32 as i wanted to own one sort of unique car/fast car
it is not much more expensive, insurance is actually cheaper for me believe it or not but the fuel bill is high
living in london it's a killer, £20 = about 80-90 miles especially coming from a 1.2 POLO :evil:
most people would tell you to try both and see but ultimately you might want to consider what your aims are when buying the car?
saying that though i am thinking of getting shot of my car shortly, any ideas of what the next one should be? :embarassed:
what spec is yours?
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your question was standard vs standard
the r32 is a great complete package IMO
ok it's not the quickest hot hatch even though with the biggest engine, but it has a fantastic v6 and 4wd.
downside with v6 is the extra cost in fuel and insurance, but as you do not many miles, hardly going to break the bank probably.
people mention about the gti 'tuned'
but what's the cost of this and where do you draw a line?
if you get a remap will you stop there, or will there be the temptation of dv, exhaust, lowering springs etc. while the r32 generally does all this from the box with better brakes.
but to change the feel of the car, try a remap you won't regret it.
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ed30 over r32 any day of the week the r32 just isnt special enough for what it is and how much it costs for its up keep and to be honest a fully loaded gti would still be my choice over the r32 if i was to buy the 32 it would have to be in a different leauge compared to gti/ed30 ie speed, handling etc etc but it just isnt, and i would always feel slightly let down by this fact and this coupled with the fact that the ed30 will be worth more in a few years time just isnt good enough for me, dont get me wrong i think the 32 is stunning from the rear but then again the gti/ed30 is stunning from the front where as the 32 is not so on the basis of value for money and fun for money its the gti/ed30 everytime, plus a re-map ed30 would probably nail a 32 anyway lol :smiley:
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Looks are subjective and the cost of the ed30 being more could actually go negatively. I picked up my R32 for £15k (its spec would have been near £30k new) so that half price straight away. I could then turbo for £10k if i want to put it to £25k (ED30 new) and have a 400BHP monster that will obliterate most cars and have 4wd and a meaty V6 engine.
The fact is all 3 cars offer something different, the ED30 and GTI actually were not special enough for me as i decided i wasnt too fussed about power, so thats ED30 out and the GTI was too expensive which what i wanted i.e. Leather recaros, xenons etc. So 4wd for quick get aways coupled with a great noise and the fact i hardly use it (30 miles over 6 weeks now) means its a much better option than an ED30 or GTI for me
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yeah suppose your right jules all 3 have something different to offer not necasarily better than each other just different, for me its the turbo that does it to be honest, i used to have a concourse series 1 rs turbo and finaly sold it and bought a 2003 civic type R but sold it on after 7 months as just missed having a turbo and the wind up noise from low revs etc which is the reason that brought me to my gti at present one test drive at the stealers and i was hooked lol just need a remap now but the pot is empty so patience is a virtue :laugh:
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In a one versus the other of these two cars, there can never be a 'winner' - It's simply a matter of individual preference for what you want from a car. They are BOTH great cars. I love things about each of them and refuse to think that one is 'better' than the other. I'm more than extremely happy with my much modded GTI and I know I would be equally more than happy with a R32 if I had one.
:afro: :cool: :afro:
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In a one versus the other of these two cars, there can never be a 'winner' - It's simply a matter of individual preference for what you want from a car. They are BOTH great cars. I love things about each of them and refuse to think that one is 'better' than the other. I'm more than extremely happy with my much modded GTI and I know I would be equally more than happy with a R32 if I had one.
:afro: :cool: :afro:
+1
I chose mine because I wanted it:
(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p147/bertos4/IMG_0187.jpg)
I would also be happy with a GTi or ED30.Oh and I don't give a feck what it will be worth in years to come as I am enjoying it now...
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Love those wheels, beautiful car!
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I'm getting bored of saying this now but I wish I had got an R32 DSG, for the noise, the noise, the noise :laugh:
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nice berto just need to take 2 of the doors off and it be :cool: :laugh:
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nice berto just need to take 2 of the doors off and it be :cool: :laugh:
....Having 5 doors is exactly what contributes so much to the Mk5 being such an excellent allrounder.
:afro:
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I would also be happy with a GTi or ED30.Oh and I don't give a feck what it will be worth in years to come as I am enjoying it now...
....Too right!!!! :afro: :cool: :afro:
Great wheels, mate - Something I don't like about the standard R32.
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Which ones mate? Both?
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Which ones mate? Both?
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/R32_toothbrush.jpg)
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lol same as mine
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/Jules86dad/img_0044.jpg)
and yes they are a biatch to clean :laugh:
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lol same as mine
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s131/Jules86dad/img_0044.jpg)
and yes they are a biatch to clean :laugh:
See now, I prefer those to the newer style :cool:
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Yeah, they are more of an evolution of the mk4 R32 wheels. Also every GT i see has the newer shape R32 alloys :tongue:
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Funny you should mention this as I was only just reading in an old car mag about these 2 against each other earlier today.
They basicly said that the R32 was thirstier, handled less well due to the extra weight up front and didn't feel "special" over the standard GTi even with the optional leather and sat nav. Their conclusion was buy a well spec'd Gti as it was the better car.
It was CAR magazine and they were testing them with the Astra VXR, Focus ST, Megane Cup or whatever its called, Mini Cooper S Works and BMW 130. The focus came 1st mostly due to price and the GTi 2nd. The R32 came about 5th.
Nick
is this online
or anyone got a copy to put online to view?
thanks
I have the pdf... not sure what to do with it thou :huh:
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Funny you should mention this as I was only just reading in an old car mag about these 2 against each other earlier today.
They basicly said that the R32 was thirstier, handled less well due to the extra weight up front and didn't feel "special" over the standard GTi even with the optional leather and sat nav. Their conclusion was buy a well spec'd Gti as it was the better car.
It was CAR magazine and they were testing them with the Astra VXR, Focus ST, Megane Cup or whatever its called, Mini Cooper S Works and BMW 130. The focus came 1st mostly due to price and the GTi 2nd. The R32 came about 5th.
Nick
is this online
or anyone got a copy to put online to view?
thanks
I have the pdf... not sure what to do with it thou :huh:
No idea how to publish a PDF either but if you can work out how I'm sure a lot of us would appreciate it.
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If anyone knows how then pm me and i will give it a shot.
tbh like many have said on here the 2 car are totally different to drive... you just have to try them and see which you prefer.
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Yeah, they are more of an evolution of the mk4 R32 wheels. Also every GT i see has the newer shape R32 alloys :tongue:
Yeah I have noticed that too did they have a job lot to shift??My originals are boxed and ready to go back on if something else takes my fancy..thankfuly nothing has yet....RS4 begone ya bugger....
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Yeah, they are more of an evolution of the mk4 R32 wheels. Also every GT i see has the newer shape R32 alloys :tongue:
Yeah I have noticed that too did they have a job lot to shift??My originals are boxed and ready to go back on if something else takes my fancy..thankfuly nothing has yet....RS4 begone ya bugger....
The newer R32 wheels are nothing like the GT wheels!!!! Get it together lad!! :angry:
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Calm down dad its the first MKV R32 wheels we are talking about...
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R32 looks like a GT though at first glance ;)
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+1 :laugh:
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Yeah, because the GT came in DBP. :cool:
The GT looks much more like the GTI, no chrome grill, it has the plastic back end, no twin pipes, different wheels, different side skirts, it sits higher (i could go on)
R32
(http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_441/car_photo_220927_7.jpg)
GTI
(http://www.volkswagen.de/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/de/sr35/Deutschland/modelle/golf/golf_limousine/content_models.Par.0110.Image.jpg)
GT
(http://www.ns2000x.com/auto/ns2000x_gti_001.jpg)
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what that looks similar because the gt and gti are both red lol :laugh: nah gt looks much more like 32 from front and side especialy if the gti has coded skirts etc, the gt never look like the gti, anyone could spot the sexual front end of the gti a mile- off best looking by far :grin: peace :laugh:
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I was sh*t stirring a little ;)
But the GTi is very distinctive from the front - you can spot it a mile off... GT and R32 not so.
Thats the idea though - the GTi is the flagship of the range.
(http://images.drive.com.au/drive_images/Editorial/2006/09/18/golfM_m.jpg)
(http://images.paultan.org/images/Golf_GT_Sport_Blue.jpg)
(http://www.scoobyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/vw-golf-gt.jpg)
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Alright then
GT
(http://media.paultan.org/img/golf_gt_tsi_1.jpg)
GTI
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/VW_Golf_V_GTI_rear_20080605.jpg)
R32
(http://image.europeancarweb.com/f/9002446/epcp_0802_01_z+2008_volkswagen_r32+rear_view.jpg)
No mistaking the Flagship model there :wink:
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Are they the SMART versions? ;)
Very good point well made though!
Although personally the rear is all very Renault Clio to me :D
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(http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/images/renault-sport-clio-182-5.jpg)
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it's the cheesy chrome front end that puts me off the mk5 R32s
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in all honesty wer'e all wrong as the best looking/performing value for money collactable is without a doubt the ed30 sexual in all ways ie looks, performance, rare etc, i want 1 lol :angry:
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in all honesty wer'e all wrong as the best looking/performing value for money collactable is without a doubt the ed30 sexual in all ways ie looks, performance, rare etc, i want 1 lol :angry:
+1
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Your opinion is just that; opinion. Looks are subjective (i dont like the interior of the ED30 at all :sick: )
Best for performance; no, unless you are comparing costs of performance, a turbo R32 will annihilate a modded ED30, but you will pay alot for it!
We all ready rounded the thread off with it being great we have the choice, and each offering something different (even the GT)
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All great cars, all offering something different to different people.
Be a bit crap if we all drove around in the same cars wouldnt it :D
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Your opinion is just that; opinion. Looks are subjective (i dont like the interior of the ED30 at all :sick: )
Best for performance; no, unless you are comparing costs of performance, a turbo R32 will annihilate a modded ED30, but you will pay alot for it!
We all ready rounded the thread off with it being great we have the choice, and each offering something different (even the GT)
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mmm a 3.2l turbo vs a 2.0l turbo thats fair :laugh:
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I never said it was fair. The point is, money not a problem, the R32 is much better to mod.
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Bit of a silly statement. What if you put an R32 engine in an ED30?
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You would be stuck with FWD lol
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True LOL
But then you could then "mod" it to make it rear wheel drive? Which would be better than 4WD IMO
My point is that making a statement like if money was no object, I'd buy a lambo, and stick a VW badge on it and call it a modded ED30 :D
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You are missing the point. As a base the R32 is better to mod if you had a large sum to spend (the problem is it would have to be a large sum)
Oh and a haldex race controller will send (iirc) 80% of power to the rears of the R32 :wink:
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My humble opinion - stated on various other posts at length - is that:
2. The GTI has a better history and iconic status than the R32 so long term the Ed30 may well hold its value better than an R32.
That is SO very not true. For example, Mk4 R32's have depreciated like a helium filled balloon. Long term the R32 (Mk4 or 5) is a possible "true" classic.
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Agree mk5 will never be a classic (in any guise) imho!
MK4 R32 and MK1 GTI will always be 'the' versions to have, possibly the MK3 VR6 but its pretty poor in standard guise so not sure.
After all they were the 1st.
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You are missing the point. As a base the R32 is better to mod if you had a large sum to spend (the problem is it would have to be a large sum)
Oh and a haldex race controller will send (iirc) 80% of power to the rears of the R32 :wink:
You have to question what is wrong with the car if you have to mod it so much? Why not just buy a good car in the first place?
I have never liked the VAG "fake" 4WD system, just make it rear wheel drive, like a proper car should be ;)
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Agree mk5 will never be a classic (in any guise) imho!
MK4 R32 and MK1 GTI will always be 'the' versions to have, possibly the MK3 VR6 but its pretty poor in standard guise so not sure.
After all they were the 1st.
I'd agree with the MK3 VR6 and the MK1 GTi
The MK4 should just be buried :D
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Seeing as the veyron uses it, its good enough for me
Veyron - fake 4wd
Z3 - RWD
Nuff said :wink:
I dont have the intention to mod, why i bought the better standard car for me. Im looking at possibly an E92 or RS4 next but thats a long way away, need to to wait till im 26 really for my wage :cool: :cool:
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Veyron - fake 4wd
Z3 - RWD
WTF :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Seeing as the veyron uses it, its good enough for me
Veyron - fake 4wd
Z3 - RWD
Nuff said :wink:
I dont have the intention to mod, why i bought the better standard car for me. Im looking at possibly an E92 or RS4 next but thats a long way away, need to to wait till im 26 really for my wage :cool: :cool:
I'd definitely forgive the "fake" 4WD in a Veyron :)
I was just messing with ya ;)
Go for the E92 - its what I was looking at (330d and 335d) before the GTI "fell" into my hands - beautiful and classy car, and a joy to drive. Although wouldnt say no to the RS4 and THAT noise!
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Veyron - fake 4wd
Z3 - RWD
WTF :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Private joke (kinda) :D
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End of the day if i wanted a quick car it wouldnt be the R32 or the ED30, i would buy an evo and piss over both :wink:
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:)
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End of the day if i wanted a quick car it wouldnt be the R32 or the ED30, i would buy an evo and piss over both :wink:
Woo Hoo i agree with ya Jules(for a change :laugh:)
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I thought this was a comprison of the std gti and R32 :huh:
... and if thats what it is, then if you can handle the extra running cost of the r32 get it. Its that simple.
I certainly wouldnt say no to a std gti either way. :cool:
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Given a choice, I'd have a V6 roar every day of the week.
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in all honesty wer'e all wrong as the best looking/performing value for money collactable is without a doubt the ed30 sexual in all ways ie looks, performance, rare etc, i want 1 lol :angry:
An edition 30 is not quicker than an R32. This has been done :wink:
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If it wasnt for that chrome front of the R32, that makes it look like a passat, i would have went with the R32.
Because that that front, I much prefer my ED30 TBH. I do like the back of the R32 though, but am more then happy with my ED30 ;)
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lol you didnt buy an R32 because of the front. What a stupid reason :rolleyes:
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lol you didnt buy an R32 because of the front. What a stupid reason :rolleyes:
I was commenting on the looks only.
Obviously the increased tax and running costs played a part!
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£200 more a year to tax (mine is actually £210 though) and i get 30mpg on the motorway and high 20's even living in london. Theres very little difference in running costs between the R32 and GTI, nothing like say, a GTI and M3 for example. Even service costs are the same bar the haldex oil change.
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yes jules a turbo r32 would annilate a modded ed30 but would cost the earth and just wouldnt be worth doing especially when someone comes along in a 10k standard evo8 and anillates your turbo32 lol so just not worth modding the 32 it should be quicker from standard imo its the top model costs alot more has a engine 60% bigger cc and is barely quicker than the ed30 = joke and anyone who thinks any mk4 will be a future classic is crazy i want what your taking lol R32 or not all mk4s are awful cars, its a insult to even mention it in same sentence as the mk1 or mk5 :laugh: :laugh: peace lol
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£200 more a year to tax (mine is actually £210 though) and i get 30mpg on the motorway and high 20's even living in london. Theres very little difference in running costs between the R32 and GTI, nothing like say, a GTI and M3 for example. Even service costs are the same bar the haldex oil change.
Really, do VW offer buy 4 & get 2 free on spark plugs these days? LOL
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lol ed30 dsg :laugh:
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.......... R32 or not all mk4s are awful cars, its a insult to even mention it in same sentence as the mk1 or mk5 :laugh: :laugh: peace lol
Whoa whoa whoa, lets not go nuts. Thats my first car you're slaging off :cry: (a GTI not a R32). The mk4 was admitidly a poor effort for a GTI but it had its charms, all it needed was a little bit of remapping and it was the car VW should have rolled out. Lets not mention the 2.0's :lipsrsealed:
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yes jules a turbo r32 would annilate a modded ed30 but would cost the earth and just wouldnt be worth doing especially when someone comes along in a 10k standard evo8 and anillates your turbo32 lol so just not worth modding the 32 it should be quicker from standard imo its the top model costs alot more has a engine 60% bigger cc and is barely quicker than the ed30 = joke and anyone who thinks any mk4 will be a future classic is crazy i want what your taking lol R32 or not all mk4s are awful cars, its a insult to even mention it in same sentence as the mk1 or mk5 :laugh: :laugh: peace lol
Thats the point!!! the R32 is not alot more than the ED30... infact when I went in to get mine the ED30 was costing alot more!
p.s. A evo 8 anillate a turbo'd R32??? are we talking about the 450bhp version or the 650bhp .:R32?? :grin:
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sorry ub7rm the truth hurts ey mate :laugh: :laugh: but yeah i agree that with attention the 1.8turbo gti wasnt a bad car with a remap etc, still a general let down for vw the mk4 as a whole that is :wink:
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never mind bhp r32uk stick them both on the track lol need i say anymore and the FQ400 does 0-60 in 3.2 secs and tops out at 175 mph no 32 is getting near that FQ 400 on topgear power lap time 1min 24 seconds, dont seem to remember the prototype 600bhp W12 doing to well on there either :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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never mind bhp r32uk stick them both on the track lol need i say anymore and the FQ400 does 0-60 in 3.2 secs and tops out at 175 mph no 32 is getting near that FQ 400 on topgear power lap time 1min 24 seconds, dont seem to remember the prototype 600bhp W12 doing to well on there either :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Think you might want to speak to someone on R32oc... his pushes out a whopping 650bhp. From what I gather he has made many so called big bhp evos look rather a little silly on many an occasion. There is a hugh difference between 400bhp evo and a 650bhp golf. Not sure you get a FQ400 for £10k though :huh:
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yes jules a turbo r32 would annilate a modded ed30 but would cost the earth and just wouldnt be worth doing especially when someone comes along in a 10k standard evo8 and anillates your turbo32 lol so just not worth modding the 32 it should be quicker from standard imo its the top model costs alot more has a engine 60% bigger cc and is barely quicker than the ed30 = joke and anyone who thinks any mk4 will be a future classic is crazy i want what your taking lol R32 or not all mk4s are awful cars, its a insult to even mention it in same sentence as the mk1 or mk5 :laugh: :laugh: peace lol
Your posts are so off the mark its hilarious. You clearly have no idea of the capabilities of a turbo'd R32 (or any idea of what you are talking about). Being haldex will mean it will actually be a fair bit quicker once rolling than an evo and i doubt there would be any difference in the two from standing. You are aware the FQ400 was £47000 new dont you. You could buy and turbo a brand new R32 and still have a lot of cash left!
Oh and im not the biggest fan of the mk4 but to say the mk4 R32 wont be a classic is moronic.
Give a little thought before you post
W12 golf was....oh i cant even be bothered :rolleyes:
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A rough idea of a 450BHP MK5 R32
Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 450
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1500
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 304.82
0 - 60 (Secs) : 3.54
0 - 100 (Secs) : 8.60
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.06
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.09
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 118.54
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 11.69
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 122.55
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dont worry mate i do give thought before i post i wasnt on about a FQ400 being 10k obviously they fetch alot more than 320/360 etc, and regardless of what you say no 32 is nailing a FQ400 and also bear in mind the FQ400 is running standard from build, if only it were the same case for a 600bhp 32 ey :laugh: 32 needs heavy modding as performane figures are poor from standard for the engine size and power to weight ratio etc it should have been packing alot more punch from standard :smiley:
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mk4 r32 wont be a classic because the problem with them is the mk4 bit lol the value is really dropping out of them now need i say anymore :laugh:
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mk4 r32 wont be a classic because the problem with them is the mk4 bit lol the value is really dropping out of them now need i say anymore :laugh:
I actually think they have retained value quite well. Still seem to fetch around the 10k mark very easily, and for what its worth I think both the MKIV and MKV R32 will hold their values quite well... being the last to hold the 3.2 V6, likely to always be a classic esp with the way the government is killing off big engined cars.
Performance wise the 32 isnt as quick as anything out there but its no slouch either. In std for its still the quickest golf out there (in any conditions may I add).
How I see it the R gives you something that the Evo's n Scoobies dont, and thats hassel free motoring...almost GT esq. I drove mine for 25k and it didnt need a single thing doing to it (except tyres).
The interior is more than a notch up from the fore mentioned, and it rides alot better too. Doesnt sound like a motor bike, and make people think... "oooh there goes a c0ck".
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yes would definately have to agree with you on that lot r32uk preety much any golf is hastle free fun motoring wheter its gti ed30 R32 etc and yes deffo comes without the cocko-meter lol they need to release a mk6 R32 that blows the doors off the past 32s available, give that lump some scary serious grunt (300 plus bhp)
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yes would definately have to agree with you on that lot r32uk preety much any golf is hastle free fun motoring wheter its gti ed30 R32 etc and yes deffo comes without the cocko-meter lol they need to release a mk6 R32 that blows the doors off the past 32s available, give that lump some scary serious grunt (300 plus bhp)
Well yeah thats the problem... the 3.2 will be retired after the MKV :cry:
So unfortunately there will be no big bhp NA golf any more, which is a shame really as it does everything a hatch does but with a little bit of fun thrown in for good measure. Never claimed to be the quickest hot hatch but would give most a good run for their money on any given day. I for one will be sad to see it go, and the only manufacturer offering anything similar is BMW... :smiley
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As far as I can see the mk4 R32 didn't take the huge hit in depreciation in its life that the mk5 has. A nice mk4 R32 isn't that far away from mk5 money. Which considering the age difference is pretty impressive.
The mk4 was an outstanding car against its peers, which at the time of lauch was whatever astra was 3 or 4 generations back and the ford escort! Compared to them the mk4 was absolutely light years ahead and is still desirable and fetching £k's rather than the couple of hundred you would pay for the equivelent escort or astra. Cabin quality was (and still is) class leading and very close to audi quality.
The mk4 gti's were a bit of a lazy effort on VW's part but the mk4 as a whole were and are still are brilliant. The 1.8T is a fantastic engine and is practically bomb proof. Its easy to slag something when you've moved on but credit where its due they are still fantastic cars.
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But then the price would go above £30k and they would be competing against cars such as the S3 which would make no sense. It is not supposed to be extremely quick as then the servicing cost would rocket, just look at the M3, it has a high spec 3.2 running aggressive cams etc; and you pay the price for it.
Admitting you think before you post and then writing tosh such as the mk4 r32 losing value, is the contradictive statement of the year! A good condition one costs more than a high spec mk5 gti :rolleyes:
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never mind bhp r32uk stick them both on the track lol need i say anymore and the FQ400 does 0-60 in 3.2 secs and tops out at 175 mph no 32 is getting near that FQ 400 on topgear power lap time 1min 24 seconds, dont seem to remember the prototype 600bhp W12 doing to well on there either :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Think you might want to speak to someone on R32oc... his pushes out a whopping 650bhp. From what I gather he has made many so called big bhp evos look rather a little silly on many an occasion. There is a hugh difference between 400bhp evo and a 650bhp golf. Not sure you get a FQ400 for £10k though :huh:
Don't mean to be rude mate but would you not be better spending time there yourself. I joined this forum because I own a Mk5 GTi. I gather lots of useful information about my car which I am very grateful for. If I owned a Mk5 R32 I would use an R32 forum. In the same way that if I was a Man Utd fan I wouldn't visit a Liverpool forum.
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Maybe because the cars are very similar and we can offer help and gain help from both gti and r32 owners.
Lets hope you dont run into any trouble because i expect R32UK will have the answer, something which you clearly wont need :rolleyes:
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Most problems come from the mechanics of the car which I would argue are not similar. V6 against turbo, 4WD against 2WD..... I could go on.
For the record I love the R32. I think they sound amazing. I just think your time would be better served on a forum dedicated to your particular car.
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Most problems come from the mechanics of the car which I would argue are not similar. V6 against turbo, 4WD against 2WD..... I could go on.
For the record I love the R32. I think they sound amazing. I just think your time would be better served on a forum dedicated to your particular car.
Well tbh I have never had engine problems, and dont see very many issues on here with regards to the 2.0tfsi either... so whats your point?? Did you not read the title of the post???
I too have gathered lots of useful information about my car from here, not to mention helping other golf owners like yourself along the way? Didnt realise this was www.onlyifyouownagolfgtiforum.co.uk
... and not being funny mate, we all like a bit of banter but if ultimately you dont have anything productive to post, save your post count :wink:
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Id get a MK4 R32 and you will save some money can pick them up now for 10k :cool:
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Clearly, people with a R32 shouldn't use this forum :grin:
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is the mk3 vr6 not a classic? i am dam sure the mk4 r32 will be too, its a top bit of kit just like the mk5, if you turbo the mk4 or mk5 you have a real supercar smasher! :cool:
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I think the MK4 R32 is always gonna be a classic - even more so then the MK5 R32...
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I think the MK4 R32 is always gonna be a classic - even more so then the MK5 R32...
why?
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I think the main thing here is that no-one was hurt, regardless.
As long as everyone's statements all match up this should be closed up without anything further coming from it.
I feel for you too, If I was driving I'd be well cut up about it, just for the shock factor itself.
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I think the main thing here is that no-one was hurt, regardless.
As long as everyone's statements all match up this should be closed up without anything further coming from it.
I feel for you too, If I was driving I'd be well cut up about it, just for the shock factor itself.
wires twisted??? :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I think the main thing here is that no-one was hurt, regardless.
As long as everyone's statements all match up this should be closed up without anything further coming from it.
I feel for you too, If I was driving I'd be well cut up about it, just for the shock factor itself.
wires twisted??? :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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whats vwkev on about lol oh and mk3 vr6 isnt a classic :sick: tbh thinking about it i dont think any mk5 will ever be a real classic either only classics are the mk1 and possibly mk2 as all new cars now are the same ie luxurious etc where as the mk1 gti and indeed even the mk2 are raw and full of character where as new cars of today will probably never have that craziness and character just like the series 1 rs turbo and mk1 xr2 etc they have classic character and even a bit of racing blood in them :smiley:
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^agree a TRUE classic will always be something like a triumph stag, gt6 or mgb, mgc. vr6 is merely a sought after car by a minority, same goes for a mk5, mk2 etc imo
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No one has made an original car for about 20 years, so I agree - MK1 and MK2 are only doing to be the "real" classics.
But the MK5 IMO is a damn fine car
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For me a classic is defined more as a car that you grew up seeing and wanted... When I first got into cars the MK2 gti was the one seen on the road so naturally for me that is the classic golf gti.
Was chatting with a mate last week and I was talking about getting a nice example mk2, to which his response was "no way, they are crap, the MK3 is the best". Now bearing in mind that hes a couple of years younger than me its the car that was on his bedroom wall when he was young.
So its probably more down to what appealed to you when you were slightly younger, as opposed to who tells you that something is a 'classic'.
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+1 r32uk damn good way to put it mate mk1/mk2 for myself a guy in work was selling a g60 in work in baby blue a little while ago was running some serious power but still looked standard and subtle very very nice think he got around 5k for it in end :smiley:
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All very interesting p.o.v's but we all know black Mkv R32's feckin rule :evil:
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One you buy with your head, one you buy with your heart (and head if you're me). :cool: