Hurdy, RedRobin, Rob-MK5, other hard-core tuners, I have a question for you.

[RedRobin]

....A friend I'm seeing next weekend has just bought a 'previously used' CSL . He's gone from a modified Mk5 R32 to a M3 to the CSL. Seems there's deals to be had.

[R32UK]

£33k for that(335i)  trophy car
I am not understanding this thread.

Maybe I am not understanding this thread.... but wasnt that link to an M3 for £33k

WHICH IS CHEAP!!!

[djhorace]

To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.

....But don't you think that just remapping a car does very little to make it into a well handling, safe but fun car?

I know this is something you are quite passionate about mate, but at the end of the day, day to day, the standard suspension is going to be fine driving at nornal speeds whether the car has 230bhp or 320bhp. Just because you give the car another 90bhp does not automatically turn it in to a poor handling, unsafe car which is no fun.

For sure, I agree suspension etc should be modified with a power gain to suit, but it really isn't going to make a jot of difference for a 320bhp Ed30 in a straight line sprint against the likes of a Cayman S.

Even with the suspension all sorted on a tuned Ed30, I would still put money on a standard Cayman on anything other than a striaght against a 320bhp Ed30.

@ Pesarik - You are not comparing apples with apples by way of comparing a 2000cc 4 cyl turbo hatch with a 3 litre 6 cyl twin turbo rear drive coupe with a 50% power advantage as standard.

However, if you want real power control and handling for similar money to a 335i commands, how about an Evo X 360 which would muller a 335i 99 times out of 100?

[RedRobin]

To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.

....But don't you think that just remapping a car does very little to make it into a well handling, safe but fun car?

I know this is something you are quite passionate about mate, but at the end of the day, day to day, the standard suspension is going to be fine driving at nornal speeds whether the car has 230bhp or 320bhp. Just because you give the car another 90bhp does not automatically turn it in to a poor handling, unsafe car which is no fun.

For sure, I agree suspension etc should be modified with a power gain to suit, but it really isn't going to make a jot of difference for a 320bhp Ed30 in a straight line sprint against the likes of a Cayman S.

Even with the suspension all sorted on a tuned Ed30, I would still put money on a standard Cayman on anything other than a striaght against a 320bhp Ed30.

@ Pesarik - You are not comparing apples with apples by way of comparing a 2000cc 4 cyl turbo hatch with a 3 litre 6 cyl twin turbo rear drive coupe with a 50% power advantage as standard.

However, if you want real power control and handling for similar money to a 335i commands, how about an Evo X 360 which would muller a 335i 99 times out of 100?

....I never intended to imply that a remap with the standard suspension would "automatically turn it in to a poor handling, unsafe car which is no fun" - In my opinion, improved suspension is just one of the components which greatly improves the GTI/Ed30 and makes it into a more tactile car - I think you already know this. Anyway, surely it's not just about which is the fastest car in a straight line.

I was going to mention the new Evo X too, but it's hardly the sort of style of car which a typical BMW driver would be interested in.

This thread is fast turning into a 'pissing up a wall competition'

[Peskarik]

GTI weighs 1336kgs mate, Edition 30 1350kgs (i've been told)..
Sorry, but a standard 335i would not distance itself at all from a 320bhp ED30.. Mine managed 5.06 0-60 and around 11 secs 0-100mph. (335i 12.8 and that's with added advantage of RWD traction).. I'm sure a tuned one would be quicker at high speeds than the Ed30, but certainly wouldn't leave it IMO..

5.06 
with Launch Control, right?
Isn't launch control start a bit bad for your car?

[Peskarik]

£33k for that(335i)  trophy car
I am not understanding this thread.

? I don't understand what you're saying.

[Peskarik]

DMS will be able to map the 335i in the next few weeks so ive heard,

Why not go the whole way  just look at the prices now -

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/675099.htm

M3 is not my cuppatea, I like 335

[Peskarik]

However, if you want real power control and handling for similar money to a 335i commands, how about an Evo X 360 which would muller a 335i 99 times out of 100?

Despite all the history of EVO, I would never want to be seen in it, or Impreza, for that matter.

[08micsta]

Oh my word 

If you want the car so bad then sell the Edition 30 and buy the thing.
Peskarik. You are constantly comparing the Edition 30 to cars that are in a completely different category/ market/ speed to yours. The Edition 30 is an all rounder and the 335I or whatever tosh BMW it is, is not designed for that purpose.

People mod cos they can. Im hoping to embark on a Smart Fortwo project in which I will be swapping the standard engine with a Hayabusa engine giving me 0-100 in 4.2 seconds and I will still have aircon. Why? Cos I can.

This thread is going around in circles.

Just buy the stupid thing and stop moaning about how disatisfied you are. Every post you make about your edition 30 is a moan which is usually concluded by how much you love the car? Read some of your posts  Im not lying.

IMHO opinion you buy a GTi cos you want a car you can thrash after dropping all 4 kids off at school and dropping a couch off at your mates house. You can mod a GTi and get more or better power and improve the car like Hurdy, RR and others have done. The BMW does not give you this pleasure. Yes you can mod it but it has a completely different engine layout. Driving style. Everything is for a DIFFERENT PERSON.

You also say that you will never be seen in an Impreza or EVO and would rather have a top class BMW. Why tell me then why you are driving a Golf?? Why not get a 330i BMW if you are honestly so phased by how people will see you?

**Rant officially over**

P.S- I got accepted into University! YAY!

[Vtec Abuser]

GTI weighs 1336kgs mate, Edition 30 1350kgs (i've been told)..
Sorry, but a standard 335i would not distance itself at all from a 320bhp ED30.. Mine managed 5.06 0-60 and around 11 secs 0-100mph. (335i 12.8 and that's with added advantage of RWD traction).. I'm sure a tuned one would be quicker at high speeds than the Ed30, but certainly wouldn't leave it IMO..

5.06 
with Launch Control, right?
Isn't launch control start a bit bad for your car?

Yes mate used the launch control. Only used it four times altogether though and I can't see how it would do anymore harm than it would to launch a manual car...
But the launch control isn't a MASSIVE advantage at all over a manual IMO. You still have the problem with traction and still have to feed it in like you would a manual. In fact the standard launch control holds the revs @ 3,000rpm which is far to much for a modded Ed30 with nearly 50% more power than stock (ok for 230bhp I suppose), so you have to lift your foot to lower it to 2,200rpm. So it's no easy task or advantage IMO and you get a hideous pause when you release the foot brake, so you end up giving the person next to you a head start..