Hurdy, RedRobin, Rob-MK5, other hard-core tuners, I have a question for you.

[RedRobin]

tuning is a bit strange some times imho

spend 24k on a golf  then another 6k on mods

and for that you could buy a 2 year old low miles 300BHp Porsche Cayman S which will do more MPg, will do 172 Mph, 12 seconds to 100Mph will hold more Value and looks better.

its a strange world.

and no matter if a golf has 320Bhp its not going to drive past a Cayman S in a straight or the corners.
a turbo is no match for a 171 Mph Car and Cubic Inches always wins.

....Sure, but no Porsche (and I really love them!) will provide the allround features that my lifestyle needs. My performance modified GTI is plenty fast enough for the UK and even for Germany/Europe.

[djhorace]

Seems a bit weird to compare a £20k hatch with a car that easily costs 50% more even 2nd hand. Also seems weird to say you would remap it when you think tuning is a waste of time and money.

Anyway, I would love a 335i. However emissions on them are not great and I think the residuals will take a hit as a result just as every non-green car is.

To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.

Like Ben, I would have the 135i before the 335i.

Regarding the Cayman S, in a straight line, I would not say that there would be a significant difference between a Cayman S and an Ed30.

Guess it depends how much you want to sink in to a daily runner. Personally, I will probably get an A4 TDi next time and a toy along the lines of an Escort Cosworth or similar.

[RedRobin]

To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.

....But don't you think that just remapping a car does very little to make it into a well handling, safe but fun car?

[Peskarik]

Nice to see you back Peskarik  .
Can't say there is anything wrong with a 335i, very nice motors indeed. I myself would probably go with the 135i instead though, but that's just me..
AFAIK the 135i/335i engine has still not been remapped by anybody and the tuning upgrades come from a piggyback chip.. (this may have changed in the last few months of course). But even with the piggyback chip, I don't think the 335i would be leaving a modded (320bhp) Ed30 in the distance mate. Not until very high speeds anyway.. It may have 40bhp more, but also has 1/4 tonne more pies to carry around..  . But as for the whole package, then it's in a different class of course. But that's reflected in it's price.. 
God luck with it though mate and make sure you let us know which way you go..

Whatever house you go to, including G-Power and Hartge, it is still piggy-back chip. On the other hand, it does not mix with ECU, so take the chip of and noone knows it's ever been there.
I think 335i, even stock, would get at least first mover advantage on tuned E30 (320hp), it does 5.5 to 60. Tuned to 500Nm it would consistently distance itself from E30 on every surface, on some more than on others. It weighs 1600kg and GTI weighs 1400-something kg. Less than 200kg difference. Not to mention bimmer's fabulous steering feel. It is pricey, for sure.

[Peskarik]

tuning is a bit strange some times imho

spend 24k on a golf  then another 6k on mods

and for that you could buy a 2 year old low miles 300BHp Porsche Cayman S which will do more MPg, will do 172 Mph, 12 seconds to 100Mph will hold more Value and looks better.

its a strange world.

and no matter if a golf has 320Bhp its not going to drive past a Cayman S in a straight or the corners.
a turbo is no match for a 171 Mph Car and Cubic Inches always wins.

I'm pretty sure a 320bhp ED30 would give a Cayman S allsorts of trouble acceleration wise. Judging by how they fair against Carrera S'.. Of course the Cayman will come past eventually due to it's CC's and better aerodynamics, but the speed in which it would eventually go past would need to be done on a very long runway and wouldn't fancy trying it on the road.. (ie 150+)
Wouldn't fancy my chances against one round a track though.. 

I've read a german test of Cayman S against tuned GTI (300hp, suspension, exhaust, breaks, intake). The article praised the GTI, but it could not touch the lizard.

[Peskarik]

Seems a bit weird to compare a £20k hatch with a car that easily costs 50% more even 2nd hand. Also seems weird to say you would remap it when you think tuning is a waste of time and money.

Anyway, I would love a 335i. However emissions on them are not great and I think the residuals will take a hit as a result just as every non-green car is.

To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.

Like Ben, I would have the 135i before the 335i.

Regarding the Cayman S, in a straight line, I would not say that there would be a significant difference between a Cayman S and an Ed30.

Guess it depends how much you want to sink in to a daily runner. Personally, I will probably get an A4 TDi next time and a toy along the lines of an Escort Cosworth or similar.

I did not say tuning is waste of time and money. What I said is that the base limits the possibilities. Take GTI as the base, FWD will limit your performance whatever money you put into the car. Take 335i, the possibilities are larger. Already from factory 335i can play with tuned E30s.
2-year 335i with 90000km on the clock will be more expensive than my E30, that is true. 

[Peskarik]

I thought about 135i first, of course. It is significantly cheaper than 335.
THen I saw a black 135 and a white 135 on the street, I walked around them, I looked at them... naa, my GTI is much better looking! I don't care about the great engine, the package looks really weird and absolutly not good looking at all. Now, 335 on the other hand, I love it's shape and curves!

[Vtec Abuser]

Nice to see you back Peskarik  .
Can't say there is anything wrong with a 335i, very nice motors indeed. I myself would probably go with the 135i instead though, but that's just me..
AFAIK the 135i/335i engine has still not been remapped by anybody and the tuning upgrades come from a piggyback chip.. (this may have changed in the last few months of course). But even with the piggyback chip, I don't think the 335i would be leaving a modded (320bhp) Ed30 in the distance mate. Not until very high speeds anyway.. It may have 40bhp more, but also has 1/4 tonne more pies to carry around..  . But as for the whole package, then it's in a different class of course. But that's reflected in it's price.. 
God luck with it though mate and make sure you let us know which way you go..

I think 335i, even stock, would get at least first mover advantage on tuned E30 (320hp), it does 5.5 to 60. Tuned to 500Nm it would consistently distance itself from E30 on every surface, on some more than on others. It weighs 1600kg and GTI weighs 1400-something kg. Less than 200kg difference.

GTI weighs 1336kgs mate, Edition 30 1350kgs (i've been told)..
Sorry, but a standard 335i would not distance itself at all from a 320bhp ED30.. Mine managed 5.06 0-60 and around 11 secs 0-100mph. (335i 12.8 and that's with added advantage of RWD traction).. I'm sure a tuned one would be quicker at high speeds than the Ed30, but certainly wouldn't leave it IMO..

[Rob-MK5]

DMS will be able to map the 335i in the next few weeks so ive heard,

Why not go the whole way  just look at the prices now -

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/675099.htm

[k4ith]

£33k for that(335i)  trophy car
I am not understanding this thread.