Author Topic: Hurdy, RedRobin, Rob-MK5, other hard-core tuners, I have a question for you.  (Read 27023 times)

Peskarik

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Hello, boys and girls.

Haven't been on this forum for a while. Popped in and before long saw Hurdy's signature. Boy, has he changed a lot on his silver bullet while I was absent!
Looking at his signature a question arose, which I wanted to ask Hurdy personally at first, but then decided to make it into a topic, since there are a number of hard-core tuners here (RedRobin, Rob-MK5, etc).

The question has been gnawing at me for some time now.
The question is - why do it? Ok, a remap for a few hundred quid, maybe other springs or even coilovers. But why spend money on intercoolers, fuel pumps, diverter valves, TBEs, carbon bonnets, and on and on...
It IS a FWD car and whatever you do to it, it will not be a great sprinter, especially in wet. It is not a sports car in the first place.

Why do I ask that? Because recently I have been thinking a lot about 335i Coupe. I am really falling for that vehicle, and thinking of buying it in a year's time. Do a little tuning to it - 360hp/500Nm on back axle and E30 tuned or not is left in backview mirror.  Moreover, it has 6-cylinder with fantastic soundtrack, unloaded front axle with informative and sharp steering, beautiful low and sleek design (IMHO). It is pretty efficient consumption-wise as well. Also, it is more rewarding to spend money on tuning 335 than E30, because returns driving/speed-wise are larger.

Get 335 secondhand, 2 year car, plus some tuning - the financial diff to tuned E30 is not so large. And it is definitely more of a driver's car than E30 will ever be, because it is in its blood, while E30 is just Golf with stronger engine and 15mm lower suspension.

It has 2 doors, 335, ok, but then there is sedan.
And how often do you transport toilets in your hatch to require that loading space?

I've been holding back on tuning my E30 because of these thoughts.
Your thoughts, guys and girls?
« Last Edit: 26 August 2008, 17:53 by Peskarik »

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Why do I do it? - Very simple answer: To make a car which is an excellent allrounder into a much more tactile and fun car to enjoy driving.

Doing just a remap is pointless imo if you don't sort out the handling etc and how the power is delivered. Quaife diff next and very soon.

Cosmetics is simply individual taste.

I love BMW's, but only the 2-door models, but they are mostly too big and not practical for my needs - I sometimes do carry sound gear as I'm a musician, or even a full set of alloys with tyres.

Btw, the Ed30 suspension is not 15mm lower than the GTI - Don't believe everything you read in sales brochures. 
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I'm not really a 'hard core tuner' however I'll offer you my thoughts -

The ED30 will never match the BMW, whatever you spend or however you look at it.

What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?

Do you want to drive and insure a modded car or would you prefer a better car out of the box?

Seems to me you've made up your mind already.
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Im not a hard-core tuner but if I had the spare cash then I would most certainly spend it on modifications.

Although the BMW 335 is a very nice car it cant be compaired to the ED30 as its a completely different type of car. Tuning it would only increase the jaw splitting smile on my face already..it would make it a bit of a sleeper towards higher powered cars as they will think its 230hp. Then as you sail past them and there 40k+ motors cant keep up and the look on there face is priceless.

Im 22 and think the ED30 suits me over the 335 anyday as I tend to see more mature people driving them. Hope that doesnt insult anyone  :grin:

Not knocking it in anyway as its a fantastic looking car with a massive reputation behind it...also a little too expensive for me at the moment...fresh out of uni and no full time job.
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I'm not really a 'hard core tuner' however I'll offer you my thoughts -

The ED30 will never match the BMW, whatever you spend or however you look at it.

What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?

Do you want to drive and insure a modded car or would you prefer a better car out of the box?

Seems to me you've made up your mind already.

I fully agree with VrStu.

I considered a 3 series (335D M Sport) for a while before ordering my ED30, but IMO it still looks and feels like the thousands of other 3 Series "rep mobiles" hogging the middle lane of the motorways across the land.



Offline I_Love_Candy

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tuning is a bit strange some times imho

spend 24k on a golf  then another 6k on mods

and for that you could buy a 2 year old low miles 300BHp Porsche Cayman S which will do more MPg, will do 172 Mph, 12 seconds to 100Mph will hold more Value and looks better.

its a strange world.

and no matter if a golf has 320Bhp its not going to drive past a Cayman S in a straight or the corners.
a turbo is no match for a 171 Mph Car and Cubic Inches always wins.
« Last Edit: 26 August 2008, 20:24 by I_Love_Candy »

Peskarik

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Btw, the Ed30 suspension is not 15mm lower than the GTI - Don't believe everything you read in sales brochures. 

I wrote "Golf", RedRobin, simple plain Golf, not GTI. GTI/E30 has 15mm lower suspension than Golf.

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What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?


YOu mean there is no urgency in stock 335i, not to mention souped up one?  :huh: 400Nm 1400-5500 and 5sek to 60 is pretty urgent, wouldn't you agree?  :lipsrsealed:


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I think theres a world of difference between what constitutes a 'better' car
and also an individuals enjoyment in 'modding' a car and making it 'theirs' irrespective of the 'common sense'
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I would go with the 335i coupe! It look the shizzel and goes like it too... just a bonus that it can be remapped to give great gains. If I could get one... there would be one on my drive right now :grin:

I would then have to buy a MK1/2 just to stay in the VW club :evil: