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Model specific boards => Golf mk8 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 18 June 2024, 13:16
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New Golf GTI open for order
The new Golf GTI will open for ordering on Thursday 20 June. Find out more details below.
Key dates
Thursday 20 June – open for customer ordering
• Customer orders can be placed in SLI
• Car configurator will go live on Volkswagen.co.uk
• Personal digital brochures and Showroom App will go live
• Finance quotes will open in Connect OnLine and finance calculator from Friday 21 June
It has the world’s largest fan base of all compact sports cars and is regarded as the original in its class: the Golf GTI is the ultimate icon, with well over 2.3 million units sold.
The new Golf GTI is becoming even sportier: the output of its turbocharged engine is increasing by 15 kW to 195 kW (from 245PS to 265 PS) and you can now accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in 5.9 seconds.
Product information
Striking new exterior
The latest Golf GTI boasts a sleeker, more dynamic look. With unique front bumpers, roof spoilers, and new IQ. LED Matrix headlights, it stands out on the road. The iconic red stripe and illuminated VW logo enhance the signature GTI design. The GTI now comes with new LED tail lights. The twin-pipe exhaust system is a key highlight.
Impressive wheels
The GTI comes standard with 18-inch Richmond alloy wheels. Optional 19-inch wheels, including the new Queenstown wheels. With its striking design of five oval semi-circles, this evokes the classic Detroit wheel, which was introduced for the fifth-generation Golf GTI.
Advanced interior technology
The GTI’s interior now includes a revamped infotainment system with a 12.9-inch touchscreen, offering easy-to-use graphics and menus. The new Digital Cockpit Pro features customisable displays, and the optional Harman Kardon sound system is available offers 480 watt sound The GTI features sport seats with unique GTI patterns and red stitching, enhancing the sporty feel. IDA voice assistant, will launch with ChatGPT (AI).
High-performance handling
The GTI includes progressive steering, a front-axle differential lock, and an adaptive chassis control system (DCC). The Vehicle Dynamics Manager optimises these features for superior driving dynamics, offering modes like Eco, Comfort, Sport, and Individual for tailored driving experiences.
The new Golf GTI combines sleek design, advanced technology, and powerful performance to offer an unmatched driving experience. Perfect for those who value style and speed.
Discover more about the new Golf GTI here:
Prices £38,900 OTR
Offers
Over the coming days we will confirm the tactical offers to support the OFO, please look out for further details.
CAP codes / insurance
CAP ID CAP Code Full Derivative Description Insurance ABI
106031 VWGO20G2T5HPTA 8 2.0 TSI 265 GTI 5dr DSG (24-) TBC
Insurance code have been applied for, we will share these details when they are available.
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Hi Evo1986
Thanks for your post and are you able to clarify:
"The GTI includes progressive steering, a front-axle differential lock, and an adaptive chassis control system (DCC)."
Should there be the word "Optional" before mention of DCC as can't see that in other items I ahve read
thanks in advance.
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Hi Evo1986
Thanks for your post and are you able to clarify:
"The GTI includes progressive steering, a front-axle differential lock, and an adaptive chassis control system (DCC)."
Should there be the word "Optional" before mention of DCC as can't see that in other items I ahve read
thanks in advance.
I think this is the first time anyone has stated the UK base spec.... its possible they have bundled it... possible... or its a typo (wouldn't be the first time they confused their own spec eh VW UK?)
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Thanks for posting Lee :afro:
At 265PS, if you can keep the list price under £40k (at date of registration) you won’t feel particularly short changed by not ordering a Clubsport. I doubt you’d notice the performance difference on the road and the smaller turbo will probably spin up quicker making the regular GTI more flexible. Ok there’s more to it than that, but if you’re trying to keep away from the high VED on principle then the regular GTI is still a great option.
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Thanks for posting Lee :afro:
At 265PS, if you can keep the list price under £40k (at date of registration) you won’t feel particularly short changed by not ordering a Clubsport. I doubt you’d notice the performance difference on the road and the smaller turbo will probably spin up quicker making the regular GTI more flexible. Ok there’s more to it than that, but if you’re trying to keep away from the high VED on principle then the regular GTI is still a great option.
My BMW 128Ti is 265BHP and it feels no less quick than the GTI TCR it replaced, which was 290 BHP, it does not handle as well, but thats another story, off the mark there is definitely no distinguishable difference.
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I shall be through the door at Ipswich VW first thing on Thursday morning (20th) to place my order :smiley:
I have decided on the Grenadilla Black with the 19'' Estoril Black wheels.
I've had a mk6 and a mk7 Golf (both GT trim) in the past and I'm currently in a 2016 Tiguan SEL (195,000 on the clock!!) but I have always wanted a GTi :smiley:
Cannot wait :grin: :grin: :grin:
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UK configurator now up.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/configurator.html?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%2522mofa-standalone%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522carline%2522%257D%22%7D
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I shall be through the door at Ipswich VW first thing on Thursday morning (20th) to place my order :smiley:
I have decided on the Grenadilla Black with the 19'' Estoril Black wheels.
I've had a mk6 and a mk7 Golf (both GT trim) in the past and I'm currently in a 2016 Tiguan SEL (195,000 on the clock!!) but I have always wanted a GTi :smiley:
Cannot wait :grin: :grin: :grin:
Grenadilla black? :sad:
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UK configurator now up.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/configurator.html?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%2522mofa-standalone%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522carline%2522%257D%22%7D
Just built what would have, Moonstone grey/black, Black Estoril, DCC, Camera, Black Pack and Matrix Lights and HK Sound, £42630
Could knock £2500 off by removing the DCC, Black Pack and HK, but still break the £40k as could not live with standard wheels.
However, really like the the trim options, of paint and wheels, and given the BHP Boost to 265 which is same as my 128Ti, think this might be the best standard GTI package for some time.
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UK configurator now up.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/configurator.html?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%2522mofa-standalone%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522carline%2522%257D%22%7D
Just built what would have, Moonstone grey/black, Black Estoril, DCC, Camera, Black Pack and Matrix Lights and HK Sound, £42630
Did you look at what the "Exterior Styling package Black Style with Matrix LED headlights" gives you?
Click the compare button...I'll give you a hint... for £1285 the difference is... "Black exterior mirror housings"
Are they made out of titananium???
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And DCC is NOT included as standard.... PLUS if you select "Alloy Wheel 19" 'Queenstown'" you HAVE to have DCC on top.... wtf?
Making in £1990 for those wheels... which will buckle at the sight of a pothole.
No thank you VW!
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UK configurator now up.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/configurator.html?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%2522mofa-standalone%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522carline%2522%257D%22%7D
Just built what would have, Moonstone grey/black, Black Estoril, DCC, Camera, Black Pack and Matrix Lights and HK Sound, £42630
Did you look at what the "Exterior Styling package Black Style with Matrix LED headlights" gives you?
Click the compare button...I'll give you a hint... for £1285 the difference is... "Black exterior mirror housings"
Are they made out of titananium???
Did not look closely enough, presumed it had some black edition elements you get on Audi, and like the MK 8 Black Edition, but absolutely, on face of it, the only difference is the wing mirrors and 65% tint, which is standard anyway.
Imagine there must be early mistakes in the Config, as that 65% must be 90% tint as upgrade, and there must be more the the black option in styling than mirror caps and additional tint, one to watch to see if changes.
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UK configurator now up.
https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/configurator.html?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%2522mofa-standalone%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522carline%2522%257D%22%7D
Just built what would have, Moonstone grey/black, Black Estoril, DCC, Camera, Black Pack and Matrix Lights and HK Sound, £42630
Did you look at what the "Exterior Styling package Black Style with Matrix LED headlights" gives you?
Click the compare button...I'll give you a hint... for £1285 the difference is... "Black exterior mirror housings"
Are they made out of titananium???
Did not look closely enough, presumed it had some black edition elements you get on Audi, and like the MK 8 Black Edition, but absolutely, on face of it, the only difference is the wing mirrors and 65% tint, which is standard anyway.
Imagine there must be early mistakes in the Config, as that 65% must be 90% tint as upgrade, and there must be more the the black option in styling than mirror caps and additional tint, one to watch to see if changes.
You get darkened front optics with the black pack. Pay attention to that on other youtube videos. And there is definitely a mistake in price for the black pack. Because you get LED Matrix as standard, and Black Pack itself can't cost more than 200-300.
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The black pack gives you darkened headlights too. It's still a silly price though! I mean they're the exact same units, just with darker reflectors! I'm not sure if it is a mistake, it's hard to see how it can be justified. Note, its down as 1600 euro on the Irish configurator!
Yes, seems you are forced to select DCC now with any of the 19's options. I think you should spec DCC anyway, it's a must have for me, but for sure, it does make the wheel upgrade "seem" expensive.
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The black pack gives you darkened headlights too. It's still a silly price though! I mean they're the exact same units, just with darker reflectors! I'm not sure if it is a mistake, it's hard to see how it can be justified. Note, its down as 1600 euro on the Irish configurator!
Yes, seems you are forced to select DCC now with any of the 19's options. I think you should spec DCC anyway, it's a must have for me, but for sure, it does make the wheel upgrade "seem" expensive.
Black Pack costs 190 EUR in the Italian configurator for instance
(https://i.postimg.cc/7hHgcZr8/temp-Image2j8rhl.avif) (https://postimg.cc/xJZJNYdt)
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Remember the Mk8 had a £1500 option for NavPro that gave you f all.... and that stayed there for the entire life of the Mk8!
I'm guessing that some idiot has taken the VW price for LED matrix lights and added it to the "black pack" price.... maybe this time they will correct it.... maybe not, maybe they will be forever wondering why nobody bought it!
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Yes, seems you are forced to select DCC now with any of the 19's options. I think you should spec DCC anyway, it's a must have for me, but for sure, it does make the wheel upgrade "seem" expensive.
Not all of the 19's... only the bendy ones.
Its a rock and a hard place on the wheel choice though. I was adamant on my Mk8 that I wasn't having the swastika wheels :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: and then I was scared that the 19's would be horrible without DCC...
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The black pack thing has to be a mistake.
On the German configurator, the base car is quite "basic". The IQ Lights pack is €1215. The "Black pack with IQ Lights" is €1700. If you select one, it prompts you to remove the other.
So it should be closer to the 500 quid mark I think, which is still a bit pricey for what it is. You can get a pair of black mirror caps on Ebay for 40 quid. And I'd be a bit on the fence about losing the red stripe on the front.
I do like the darkened headlights though.
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Re: Matrix LED gate
The UK GTI has Matrix LED as standard but lesser UK golfs and those German GTIs don't ahve Matrix LED as standard.
So someone in Milton Keynes will realise the error and adjust it...evidently.
As has already been mentioned the black styling pack gives you:
1) Black Door mirror casings
2) Headlight inserts in black
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3) Removal of red stripe to make it black (I know you won't believe me so try choosing it with car facing you in the configurator) Also this was confirmed on Youtube walk around of Clubsport
Hope that clarifies things.
@fredgroves I laughed when I saw what you call the Richmond wheel design. That is what my mate says. I am non-plussed by them but would prefer difference wheels.
After playing with configurator, I don't need to worry about do I or don't I order as colour and wheels is a problem and I also I mistook the first year VED sum, so I won't have another £1100 to play with after all, so min options pushes it too high. Like so many perhaps a good 7.5 is the way to go.
I do like the new facelift GTI and does seem a very good package
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I shall be through the door at Ipswich VW first thing on Thursday morning (20th) to place my order :smiley:
I have decided on the Grenadilla Black with the 19'' Estoril Black wheels.
I've had a mk6 and a mk7 Golf (both GT trim) in the past and I'm currently in a 2016 Tiguan SEL (195,000 on the clock!!) but I have always wanted a GTi :smiley:
Cannot wait :grin: :grin: :grin:
Grenadilla black? :sad:
Each to their own :wink:
Red, white, black or varying shades of grey - I don't find the colour choice terribly inspiring :sad:
And I appreciate that black is not the easiest colour to keep clean looking but My car. My choice :kiss:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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The "Black pack" was always an option here in Ireland on the MK8 for both the GTI and R. It deleted the red stripe (or blue stripe on R), replaced with a black stripe and you got the black mirror caps. It was around 450-500 quid. The headlight housings were not different though, so this is the only difference in the 8.5.
I think it works better on the R, as the blue stripe on the R grill is a bit naff imo... whereas the red one on the GTi is a bit more "signature" .
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Just configured one…..but going to see if the dealers will give me a better offer tomorrow before I order online,just spent a year without my mk8 gti and am ready for a new one.
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Schmeil1…….are you a real person?
If so, do tell how you fared in Ipswich this morning.
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Schmeil1…….are you a real person?
If so, do tell how you fared in Ipswich this morning.
:grin: Yes, I am a real person :grin:
Long time VW lover from Beach Buggy days as a late teen (Buggy was stored for a long time, then completely rebuilt and was a Volksworld cover star on Sept 2006 issue :wink: :grin:) then a 1302s Beetle with a 2276cc 48IDA na monster of an engine, and then as mentioned a Golf 6 GT, Golf 7 GT and then laterly a Tiguan.
This will be my first GTi :grin: (and hence new to this forum :wink:)
Deposit paid and build secured, but exact numbers for my deal yet to be finalised as the finance quotes will not open in Connect OnLine and finance calculator until tomorrow Friday 21 June :smiley:
So far so good. Grenadilla Black Metallic, Alloy wheels 19'' 'Estoril' Black and a Folding Trailer Hitch, with Electric Release. £41,745.00
(https://i.postimg.cc/LXVdR27d/GTi.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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I am looking on the website and wondering why you can only order Oyster Silver Metallic with the black roof?
Is everyone else seeing the same?
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I am looking on the website and wondering why you can only order Oyster Silver Metallic with the black roof?
Is everyone else seeing the same?
Yep, but makes no sense as it's available in other markets.
TBH I don't trust VW's configurators.
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That’s a very nice “stealth black” look……and quite a contrast to a very high mileage Tiguan!
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Over £5k off with Drive the Deal.
https://www.drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/VOLKSWAGEN/GOLF_HATCHBACK/2.0_TSI_265_GTI_5dr_DSG_106031.html
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Wow! That's a bargain!
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That’s a very nice “stealth black” look……and quite a contrast to a very high mileage Tiguan!
:grin: :grin:
Yes, it will be a bit of a contrast :laugh: but a change in circumstances means my work commute is now a 10 minute walk instead of a 100 mile round trip, so this GTi will just be driven for pleasure and enjoyment (and cover considerably less than 25,000 miles a year :wink:)
:grin: :grin:
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Welcome aboard schmeil1 and congrats on the order. You might be the first in the country to whack down a deposit.
Have they indicated a build estimate yet?
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You do know you'll be paying an extra £410 per year for the first five years road tax right?
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Over £5k off with Drive the Deal.
https://www.drivethedeal.com/buy-a-new-car/VOLKSWAGEN/GOLF_HATCHBACK/2.0_TSI_265_GTI_5dr_DSG_106031.html
What a sh!t selection of colours !
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Welcome aboard schmeil1 and congrats on the order. You might be the first in the country to whack down a deposit.
Have they indicated a build estimate yet?
I've been quoted an optimistic 12 weeks but the online quote I got for comparison were quoting 24 weeks, so I guess it will take as long as it takes :laugh:
By the way the numbers on the online quote vs the dealers numbers were close enough for me to stay local, where I now have a 'relationship' :wink:
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You do know you'll be paying an extra £410 per year for the first five years road tax right?
Yep, fully aware :sad:
Rather think that the £40k figure should be index linked, but them's the rules :rolleyes:
As well as trading in the Tiguan I'll also be moving on my R53 Mini which I'm currently paying £415 a year on anyway, so I wont be much worse off...
#justifyingittomyself :laugh:
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You do know you'll be paying an extra £410 per year for the first five years road tax right?
Yep, fully aware :sad:
Rather think that the £40k figure should be index linked, but them's the rules :rolleyes:
I somehow don’t think the £40k figure will be increased any time soon - maybe never. By leaving it at £40k, more and more motorists get hit by the enhanced VED rate as car manufacturers continue to increase their vehicle list prices 2-3 times a year. An easy revenue generator for HM Gov.
It used to be referred to as a luxury tax on the gov.uk website but any reference to ‘luxury’ disappeared off the website some time ago. So at least there’s an acknowledgment that a car with a list price of £40k isn’t a luxury car.
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In total I paid £600 for my R’s road tax this year. I assume the GTIs emissions are lower and make it slightly cheaper. It went up £30 in April compared to the the letter which was £570.
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In total I paid £600 for my R’s road tax this year. I assume the GTIs emissions are lower and make it slightly cheaper. It went up £30 in April compared to the the letter which was £570.
I got the same letter, but by the time it arrived, the prevailing rate was £600. They need to do something about a tax that a fairly regular car pays the same VED as a Bugatti Chiron, and for 5 years after 1st registration year. I paid £38k for my S3, with an RRP of £43.5k, so it never even cost £40k. If they want to rinse everyone, why not put an arbitrary cost of 0.5% of RRP per year out there? That way a £2m car pays a lot more than a £40k car that you might not have even paid £40k for (and won't be worth £40k after 1st year).
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You're talking about having a progressive tax system where the rich pay more tax than the poor overall.
It makes perfect sense but it's not the way things work in the UK. Here billionaires pay nothing and the poor pay about 20% of their earnings and pay VAT on almost everything they buy.
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In total I paid £600 for my R’s road tax this year. I assume the GTIs emissions are lower and make it slightly cheaper. It went up £30 in April compared to the the letter which was £570.
CO2 emissions only relevant for the first years road tax - 162g/km = £670
Then years 2-5 it will be £600 total (£190 + >£40k surcharge of £410) same as your R :sad:
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You're talking about having a progressive tax system where the rich pay more tax than the poor overall.
It makes perfect sense but it's not the way things work in the UK. Here billionaires pay nothing and the poor pay about 20% of their earnings and pay VAT on almost everything they buy.
It's just a bit sh!t isn't it :sad:
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You do know you'll be paying an extra £410 per year for the first five years road tax right?
Yep, fully aware :sad:
Rather think that the £40k figure should be index linked, but them's the rules :rolleyes:
I somehow don’t think the £40k figure will be increased any time soon - maybe never. By leaving it at £40k, more and more motorists get hit by the enhanced VED rate as car manufacturers continue to increase their vehicle list prices 2-3 times a year. An easy revenue generator for HM Gov.
It used to be referred to as a luxury tax on the gov.uk website but any reference to ‘luxury’ disappeared off the website some time ago. So at least there’s an acknowledgment that a car with a list price of £40k isn’t a luxury car.
Sadly, I agree that this is likely very true :sad:
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdSSgbpC/its-a-trap.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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And…..for those like me who might have considered an Approved Used 8.5 to change to in a couple of years, the 5 year tax take is another future discouragement to let go of what I’ve got.
I wonder if, sadly, we have passed “peak” GTI with the 8.5?
And….. my son had a hired Quashqai home from work. When you see the level of equipment these “ordinary” cars are offering now, it makes one look again at VW and ask some questions about VFM. Admittedly, I have no idea how these things drive but you can see how they are built for “showroom” appeal.
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The 40k tax limit excludes the first year VED and first year registration which is included in the price on the VW website. So we have slightly more to spend on extras without hitting it!
Agree that the colour options are really disappointing...I think I'm going to go for Dolphin Grey. Will be ordering via drive the deal first thing tomorrow :grin:
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The colour choice on the Mk8 was just as appalling too. I actually wanted a battleship grey car but otherwise I'd have been stuck.
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Agree that the colour options are really disappointing...I think I'm going to go for Dolphin Grey.
Dolphin Grey is by far the best colour for the MK8 GTI. I'm having it now. No photo or video can explain how gorgeous and luxurious the colour really is.
Though, if I go with MK8.5, I will probably opt for Kings Red with black roof and Black Style package. Kings red looks so sleek with new black style darkened front optics. And you obviously don't need a red stripe in front when your car is red.
But will see, will be curious to see Crystal Ice Blue in person as well.
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Dolphin Grey is by far the best colour for the MK8 GTI. I'm having it now. No photo or video can explain how gorgeous and luxurious the colour really is.
Though, if I go with MK8.5, I will probably opt for Kings Red with black roof and Black Style package. Kings red looks so sleek with new black style darkened front optics. And you obviously don't need a red stripe in front when your car is red.
That's good to know, thanks.
I agree that red with the darkened option would look really good but as someone else pointed out, they've got the pricing for that option totally wrong - it includes matrix headlights which are part of the base build already.
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Got a trade in quote for my 7.5 GTI PP from a dealer, as I'm really tempted to get a 8.5 as it's within budget with the DTD discount. Really like the look of it. Only bought the 7.5 3 months ago and it's already dropped £3,300 compared with what I paid. Can't get myself to trade it in yet with that loss. I think the more sensible plan would be to keep it 18 months or so more as it's under warranty and has got 2 years free servicing and then trade it in for the 8.5.
Looking forward to hearing about everyone's experience/reviews of the 8.5 in the meantime!
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Dolphin Grey is by far the best colour for the MK8 GTI. I'm having it now. No photo or video can explain how gorgeous and luxurious the colour really is.
Though, if I go with MK8.5, I will probably opt for Kings Red with black roof and Black Style package. Kings red looks so sleek with new black style darkened front optics. And you obviously don't need a red stripe in front when your car is red.
That's good to know, thanks.
I agree that red with the darkened option would look really good but as someone else pointed out, they've got the pricing for that option totally wrong - it includes matrix headlights which are part of the base build already.
Yeah, but be aware that Dolphin Grey is great only when fully cleaned :smiley: . Even a little rain + dust , and it becomes "another" grey colour. But when it's cleaned, omg, can't take your eyes off.
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Yeah, but be aware that Dolphin Grey is great only when fully cleaned :smiley: . Even a little rain + dust , and it becomes "another" grey colour.
The same could be said of pretty much all car paint colours - they look at their best when the car’s clean. Lighting conditions is also a factor - in good (bright) lighting conditions, with metallic and pearlescent colours the metal particles or mica flakes in the paint ‘pop’ and sparkle.
I’m all for an easy life these days though so my car’s Pure White, and IMHO Pure White paint looks good whatever the lighting conditions. Additionally;
- it’s easy to maintain and hides swirls well (I always use a safe wash technique to minimise swirls, so not that much of an issue for me)
- it also hides that layer of dust well that was very obvious on previous black and grey cars I’ve owned.
- it’s an easy colour for fixing stone chip repairs so they’re not seen - not so easy to do with some metallic and pearlescent colours when doing DIY stone chip repairs
- if you’re unfortunate enough to need paintwork / bodywork repairs, getting a good colour match between new and original paint shouldn’t be an issue either
- with a GTI, the contrast of the red accents against the Pure White paint works well too
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The 40k tax limit excludes the first year VED and first year registration which is included in the price on the VW website. So we have slightly more to spend on extras without hitting it!
Agree that the colour options are really disappointing...I think I'm going to go for Dolphin Grey. Will be ordering via drive the deal first thing tomorrow :grin:
Good point Adam. By your reckoning how much do you think you could spend on extras before you hit the £40k limit?
Obviously it would also depend on the unlikely scenario where there are no further price increases before delivery.
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To jon87……Your GTI hasn’t dropped in value at all.
You are confusing purchase and trade in levels.
A dealer will look at a margin of £2,500 to £3,000 on any car, depending on lots of factors (too many to list actually).
Likewise, the trade-in offer will be based on many factors including assessment of the customer themselves.
So, factoring in all that plus “a few” months older and a few more miles and another owner on the log, I think your trade-in offer is pretty good.
If you were to buy your car today from the dealer, he would be asking much nearer what you paid for it.
If you want an independent valuation, try Motorway or similar.
However, this feeds into another forum topic “Where have all the Golfs gone?” and leads me to speculate whether prices for good 7.5s might not actually be on the way up ……apart from at VW dealer showrooms, obvs :grin:
Would anyone like to give a dangerous opinion on current and future values of 7.5 GTIs????
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Apologies to Mk8 members, this might better be a topic for the 7.5 forum but I was answering jon87 and got carried away!!!
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Yeah, but be aware that Dolphin Grey is great only when fully cleaned :smiley: . Even a little rain + dust , and it becomes "another" grey colour.
The same could be said of pretty much all car paint colours - they look at their best when the car’s clean. Lighting conditions is also a factor - in good (bright) lighting conditions, with metallic and pearlescent colours the metal particles or mica flakes in the paint ‘pop’ and sparkle.
I’m all for an easy life these days though so my car’s Pure White, and IMHO Pure White paint looks good whatever the lighting conditions. Additionally;
- it’s easy to maintain and hides swirls well (I always use a safe wash technique to minimise swirls, so not that much of an issue for me)
- it also hides that layer of dust well that was very obvious on previous black and grey cars I’ve owned.
- it’s an easy colour for fixing stone chip repairs so they’re not seen - not so easy to do with some metallic and pearlescent colours when doing DIY stone chip repairs
- if you’re unfortunate enough to need paintwork / bodywork repairs, getting a good colour match between new and original paint shouldn’t be an issue either
- with a GTI, the contrast of the red accents against the Pure White paint works well too
Moonstone grey is another easy colour to live with. Though it's not metallic.
Kings Red as well. Still a good colour even with a bit dirt on it.
Dolphin Grey - no way :smiley: But if you wash your car regularly - you will see a descent colour :smug:
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To jon87……Your GTI hasn’t dropped in value at all.
You are confusing purchase and trade in levels.
A dealer will look at a margin of £2,500 to £3,000 on any car, depending on lots of factors (too many to list actually).
Likewise, the trade-in offer will be based on many factors including assessment of the customer themselves.
So, factoring in all that plus “a few” months older and a few more miles and another owner on the log, I think your trade-in offer is pretty good.
If you were to buy your car today from the dealer, he would be asking much nearer what you paid for it.
If you want an independent valuation, try Motorway or similar.
However, this feeds into another forum topic “Where have all the Golfs gone?” and leads me to speculate whether prices for good 7.5s might not actually be on the way up ……apart from at VW dealer showrooms, obvs :grin:
Would anyone like to give a dangerous opinion on current and future values of 7.5 GTIs????
Exactly this, something you just have to accept, what you pay is not the value of the car, its value of the car + the buying protection and warranty protection.
We bought a MK 7.5 R last September with list price of £25000, would say be lucky to get £19500 trade in now, and £20-£21000 private sale. I would still have to pay the list price of £25000 now for a decent MK 7.5 Golf R, they not really dropped since last September.
I knew this going in though, I had a trade in, which managed to agree a better price than expected, so VW approved was only way was completely comfortable with, and still preferred over pay maybe £2000 less for some of the private sales that was seeing at the time, with very little comeback and warranty, (though you could add a VW warranty latterly if car has FVSH)
Personally, realise as soon as drive car off forecourt its worth about £2000 less immediately, but its likely car going to keep for 3yrs at least, so £ are worth the peace of mind, and when it does come to sale, time elapsed has you take a "is what it is" when value is given for likely trade in.
Cars have always been a depreciating asset, you spend the money for the pleasure, thats the investment, and personally not regret a £ spent to date on any of mine,
Be in the market for a late MK 7.5 next year to replace the 128Ti, and do think the cars at £25000 now, will be more £22500 by then, think the MK 8.5 will send more MK 7.5 to the market place and soften market just that smidge more.
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Yeah, but be aware that Dolphin Grey is great only when fully cleaned :smiley: . Even a little rain + dust , and it becomes "another" grey colour.
The same could be said of pretty much all car paint colours - they look at their best when the car’s clean. Lighting conditions is also a factor - in good (bright) lighting conditions, with metallic and pearlescent colours the metal particles or mica flakes in the paint ‘pop’ and sparkle.
I’m all for an easy life these days though so my car’s Pure White, and IMHO Pure White paint looks good whatever the lighting conditions. Additionally;
- it’s easy to maintain and hides swirls well (I always use a safe wash technique to minimise swirls, so not that much of an issue for me)
- it also hides that layer of dust well that was very obvious on previous black and grey cars I’ve owned.
- it’s an easy colour for fixing stone chip repairs so they’re not seen - not so easy to do with some metallic and pearlescent colours when doing DIY stone chip repairs
- if you’re unfortunate enough to need paintwork / bodywork repairs, getting a good colour match between new and original paint shouldn’t be an issue either
- with a GTI, the contrast of the red accents against the Pure White paint works well too
Moonstone grey is another easy colour to live with. Though it's not metallic.
Kings Red as well. Still a good colour even with a bit dirt on it.
Dolphin Grey - no way :smiley: But if you wash your car regularly - you will see a descent colour :smug:
Last 6 cars have been Brilliant Black and Mythos Black, Pure White, Lapiz, Pure Grey and Pure White again on current Golf R and by the hardest colour to keep were the blacks, looks patchy in the winter, swirls galore in summer unless put some graft in.
Lapiz was not the worst, middling,
Pure Grey was pretty good, low maintenance, but white is by far the best, it just greys in winter and you see nothing but shine even on a basic wash, and on the MK 7.5 Golf R with the Gloss Trim, the Stormtrooper look, always looks the part.
For someone who details, sure paint resilience is not an issue as they keep it tip top regardless, for folk like me, who only really clean it properly once a year and just jet wash muck off inbetween, paint colour resilience is a bigger factor.
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My suggestion for any colour you are considering is to see one in the flesh.
I looked at all of the Mk8 colours when it first arrived.
Dolphin Grey wasn't good at all IMHO and Kings Red was more bergundy... like some grandad's old peugeot.
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Dolphin grey looks quite flat and borderline dull imo in overcast dull weather, there's not much "pop" to it unless the sun is shining and the car is clean. Yes all colours look best in bright sunshine when spotlessly clean but dolphin seems to suffer more than the others when cloudy/dirty! Its also quite dark, borderline "light black" so I wonder if its hard work maintenance wise...
Agree, kings red is another funny one... in some pics it looks really great, hence VW themselves using it on launch cars and promo material. But I've seen it on various different VW's and in the metal it does kinda look "burgundy".
I think either of the whites are a good bet in terms of looks and ease of maintenance. Not sure if the Oryx is worth the hefty premium but there is a nice "shimmer" to it in certain lights. And then there is Moonstone grey which always looks very striking imo. My wife has it on her ID4 and it does look the business. Bonus points for being a lot cheaper than some of the other options.
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My suggestion for any colour you are considering is to see one in the flesh.
I looked at all of the Mk8 colours when it first arrived.
Dolphin Grey wasn't good at all IMHO and Kings Red was more bergundy... like some grandad's old peugeot.
Bloody cheek, Fred! Good job, I'm an old grandad or I might have been deeply offended. :laugh:
Personally, I love mine in Kings Red, especially when it's clean. It's another colour that looks different in different light conditions.
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Good point Adam. By your reckoning how much do you think you could spend on extras before you hit the £40k limit?
Obviously it would also depend on the unlikely scenario where there are no further price increases before delivery.
The 1st year VED is £680 and the registration fee is £55, both are included in the price on the configurator so you can minus this off your total to see how close you are to £40k.
(This assumes VW correctly register the price at delivery - it presumably relies on them to notify the DVLA!)
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Going to be interesting to see how vw implement the mandatory speed limiter... Whether it's possible to disable it with obd11
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Going to be interesting to see how vw implement the mandatory speed limiter... Whether it's possible to disable it with obd11
There’s an annoying speed limit warning / bong in the new ID4, which you have to disable on every journey, similar to lane assist. I presume the new Golf (exact same screen) is similar. I haven’t got around to trying obd11 in the ID4 yet.
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Just a bong? I'd have thought it would have worked like the speed limiter function on my mk8... Not actually letting you go past the limit unless you kick down.
The bong system is also present on the Mk8 but I have that switched off and just have the visible warning (on my hud) which sometimes I pay attention to lol
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Going to be interesting to see how vw implement the mandatory speed limiter... Whether it's possible to disable it with obd11
There’s an annoying speed limit warning / bong in the new ID4, which you have to disable on every journey, similar to lane assist. I presume the new Golf (exact same screen) is similar. I haven’t got around to trying obd11 in the ID4 yet.
If you can disable it every journey like lane assist, you should be able to configure it to remember being switched off with OBD11, as you can with lane assist (Kamikaze mode).
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Just a bong? I'd have thought it would have worked like the speed limiter function on my mk8... Not actually letting you go past the limit unless you kick down.
The bong system is also present on the Mk8 but I have that switched off and just have the visible warning (on my hud) which sometimes I pay attention to lol
No it doesn't actually prevent the car from breaking the limit. That would be quite dangerous for all sorts of reasons I'd have thought. You just get the silly bong.
Fortunately it's a lot easier to switch these things off on the new infotainment screens compared to the MK8 screen. But I'll probably try OBD11 when I get around to it and see can it be permanently turned off.
I've never had any speed limit bong in my MK8. Maybe its something I've switched off in the settings!
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The 8.5 R is rumoured to start from around £42,500 in the UK which is cheaper than the outgoing 8 R: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/363528/new-volkswagen-golf-r-gets-more-power-help-slay-its-hot-hatch-rivals
Wonder what that means for the upcoming Clubsport?!
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I've never had any speed limit bong in my MK8. Maybe its something I've switched off in the settings!
Press the assist button (on the dash), press on traffic sign and you'll see speed limit warning - can be off/visible/audible.
You can also set the threshold - 0, 3 or 5mph (over the limit)
It sort of remembers your choice.... sort of. Sometimes chooses to forget what you've set!
Basically it sounds like they have just gone with making that default to on with those settings every time you start the car.
Along the whole sorry story of Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA) the EU have changed both dates and requirements. They initially wanted it to be hard enforcement but decided that at least for the first phase (ie now, but already delayed by 2 years!) its just got to provide the driver with one of four different types of feedback. Apparently they are going to use telematics to discover how effective it was - how often drivers break the speed limit and how often they turn off the system!
On the Mk8 you do have a speed limiter function that does physically limit your speed. Its hard to turn on (fiddly), needs turning on every time you start the car and also doesn't appear to be speed limit aware (you have to manually adjust it to the limit as you enter and exit speed limit zones)
Its not "dangerous" by the way, you can exceed the limiter just by kicking down on the gas... so speed as an avoidance technique is still available - likely as not in those cases you'd stamp the gas anyhow!
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Massive price increases but expected. To make the car look good you’ll have to add the alloys and DCC as a minimum straight over the £40k mark. Massive tax hits every year for 5 years and you know this is going to even further skywards when new government change. Massive losses once out of showroom you only have to look at the drops of the cars and the fact that VW still can’t clear the R stock. It’s all very depressing but I won’t be buying one. I’m not a millionaire and don’t intend to lose money like this. Shame but reality I suppose.
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Looks like DrivetheDeal have updated their prices today and an extra £500 off the Golf due to VW increasing their deposit contribution. GTI 8.5 with almost £6k off now with prices after discount at £33,195.
Even though I just bought a 7.5, I'm tempted by this!
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Looks like DrivetheDeal have updated their prices today and an extra £500 off the Golf due to VW increasing their deposit contribution. GTI 8.5 with almost £6k off now with prices after discount at £33,195.
Even though I just bought a 7.5, I'm tempted by this!
I’d jump sooner rather than later if I were you Jon, especially if you’re going to throw a few options on but keeping it below the £40k.
Chances of getting the car actually delivered before the next price rises are only going to get slimmer by the day.
7.5 prices are still strong so depreciation won’t be too harsh aside from the unavoidable initial “just bought it” hit between retail and trade worth.
Once the list price hits £40k on registration you may as well plump up a bit extra and get an R, IMHO.
If you can keep it below the magic 40 then you’re getting as much power as you can realistically use on UK roads, slightly lighter weight than the other current VW Golf Performance contenders for a more natural hot hatch feel, fractionally lower running costs, and real buttons on the steering wheel :whistle:
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You're right Exonian. I would ideally like to wait 1 year and then part exchange the 7.5 but list prices for the 8.5 will only move one way by then and I definitely do not want to hit the £40k "luxury" tax bracket.
I won't be adding any options as it's got a great spec as standard, just need to choose between pure white or dolphin grey!
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Meet in the middle, go Moonstone!
Personally I’d go for white for ease of maintenance but my fave mk8 colour is Moonstone.
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Meet in the middle, go Moonstone!
Personally I’d go for white for ease of maintenance but my fave mk8 colour is Moonstone.
My sister has Moonstone on her MK8 R-line, so I have seen it quite a bit but just not a fan of it.
I have decided on white. Makes a change from my previous cars, had a Carbon Steel Grey MK7 and now an Indium Grey on the 7.5. I have decided to keep the 7.5 too until the 2 year warranty and 2 free services expire and then I'll be moving that on. Just wish I had a garage to store one of them!
Any plans @Exonian on making the change yourself? I know you just bought an R less than a year ago.
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White always looks good on a Golf GTI, easy to look after and contrasts well with the black and red bits.
Whether you liked Moonstone or not I guess it would have been a bit much having two in the family.
There’s a Moonstone R-Line just around the corner from me (24 plate) and I really like it, and a yellow 24 plate e-TSI just up the road from them which I also really like as it catches your eye as soon as you round the corner!
A very determined effort keeping both cars, it would be great to read a side by side review when the new car arrives.
No foreseeable plans for me to swap cars Jon, I’m happy enough with what I’ve got. It does literally everything, looks ok, costs little to own but would lose a fortune in early depreciation if I got shot. Nothing out there really floats my boat.
I did have a quick nose at a freshly launched MINI Cooper S Sport F66 as the dealership is just around the corner from my dentist. I’d quite fancy one of those for its fun factor and looks, but a new GTI would be almost as cost effective with current discounts and can swallow people much more easily. I had four passengers including a six month pregnant lady plus myself in the car recently and the car was spacious enough.
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I do love how the new rear IQ lights optics matches with Moonstone Grey colour. Looks so chic & sporty. And it's a base Golf :smiley: Imagine the GTI :wink:
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11/10 for enthusiasm Dogman :smiley: I do wish some of it would rub off on me.
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I saw my first 8.5 on the roads today. A blue dealer demo car. It didn’t have the cool looking rear lights like the Dogman12 photo, just all red non IQ lights by the look of them.
Are the darkened ones standard IQ or darkened ‘black pack’ option items?
The front lights on the 8.5 looked very different to mk8 headlamps and the front bumper looked nice.
Looking forward to seeing the more sporty versions appear.
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I saw my first 8.5 on the roads today. A blue dealer demo car. It didn’t have the cool looking rear lights like the Dogman12 photo, just all red non IQ lights by the look of them.
Are the darkened ones standard IQ or darkened ‘black pack’ option items?
The front lights on the 8.5 looked very different to mk8 headlamps and the front bumper looked nice.
Looking forward to seeing the more sporty versions appear.
Black Style darkens only front optics. Rear stays the same "darkened" from the factory. (for the IQ light).
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Thanks Dogman12, that’s good to know :cool:
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I saw my first 8.5 on the roads today. A blue dealer demo car. It didn’t have the cool looking rear lights like the Dogman12 photo, just all red non IQ lights by the look of them.
Are the darkened ones standard IQ or darkened ‘black pack’ option items?
The front lights on the 8.5 looked very different to mk8 headlamps and the front bumper looked nice.
Looking forward to seeing the more sporty versions appear.
I saw exactly the same Wednesday evening, at the lights. Only saw the front of it quickly as I was driving in the opposite direction and as you said looked very different from the front, hadn't realised it was the new Golf until I got very close. The minor change to the lights give it a much better look imho.
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Could buy it with standard wheels and get some aftermarket ones. Lots of great wheels out there and you'd save more than the cost in "luxury car" tax
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Could buy it with standard wheels and get some aftermarket ones. Lots of great wheels out there and you'd save more than the cost in "luxury car" tax
Agree, there are lots of very good aftermarket alloys, and many of them have an OEM+ appearance; not that surprising really, given that alloy wheel manufacturers such as Ronal, Borbet and BBS who make a wide range of aftermarket alloys also make OEM alloys for VW and other car manufacturers.
I have a set of aftermarket alloys with a powder coat finish on my car because I really dislike diamond cut alloys and there wasn’t a OEM non-diamond cut option when I ordered my car. I’ve kept the original diamond cut alloys and they’ll go back on the car when the time comes to sell it.
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Could buy it with standard wheels and get some aftermarket ones. Lots of great wheels out there and you'd save more than the cost in "luxury car" tax
That would be exactly the direction I’d go in.
Avoids having to have DCC too which would be a bonus for me but the other 99.9% of normal people could spec DCC and still keep under the £40k then add their own choice of wheel.
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I just ordered mine and was going to spec 19” black wheels, but put it £50 under the luxury car tax threshold. So no margin for error with price rises.
Gone with standard 18” Richmonds which will come off straight away. Not sure wether to go 19” or stick with 18” for comfort and cheaper tyres
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I just ordered mine and was going to spec 19” black wheels, but put it £50 under the luxury car tax threshold. So no margin for error with price rises.
Gone with standard 18” Richmonds which will come off straight away. Not sure wether to go 19” or stick with 18” for comfort and cheaper tyres
That's what I did when I got my Mk8 3 years ago. Took off Richmonds and went with Team Dynamics 18s and have never regretted it. I don't have DCC but I don't know if that would make any difference. I'm pleased with the handling and the comfort, especially with all the potholed roads. Tyres for £100 a corner and no broken wheels are a big bonus.
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Order placed for the 8.5 GTI. Completely standard in pure white. My local VW garage couldn't quite match online discounts but got close enough for me to go ahead with them. Have been quoted 6 months for delivery so around December time.
Was torn between Dolphin Grey and white. Leaning towards Dolphin Grey, however after asking the salesman if there will be price rises before I take delivery of mine, he said it is possible there could be in November, but won't find out until nearer the time, I decided to go with Pure White to simply stay well under the £40k tax bracket in December if there is a 2-3% rise before that.
Looking forward to getting back to 18" wheels too, especially on these roads. My MK7 had 18s and I found the ride comfort better on that than my 7.5 on 19s.
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Be interesting to see when they start coming through. Ordered mine last Thursday, was told 3-4 months but they have put 30/11 as the expected date on the order form. I went Moonstone only, so long as the price doesn’t raise £1400 before delivery I’ll be fine. Not sure I’m keen on the GTI badges on the front doors, think they will be coming off straight away.
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The new R-line has landed at dealers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSVC_iu9Sg
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Fill yer boots:
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drivethedeal.com
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Fill yer boots:
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drivethedeal.com
I received that same email today too.
I went to DtD website yesterday to see if the discount had changed as was just curious and noticed that anyone with a current PCP agreement with VWFS can get an additional £625 off!
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Wot no Atlantic Blue?! One of the best colours for the GTI imho. But then I liked Black Rubin, so what do I know...😆
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I’d jump sooner rather than later if I were you Jon, especially if you’re going to throw a few options on but keeping it below the £40k.
Chances of getting the car actually delivered before the next price rises are only going to get slimmer by the day.
Once the list price hits £40k on registration you may as well plump up a bit extra and get an R, IMHO.
It is crazy/scandalous that the £40k "luxury car tax" threshold hasn't moved one jot since 2017. It is a true stealth tax. Even just inflation would mean it should now be nearly £50k. An article in AutoExpress this week states that just over 30% of all new cars registered in 2023 got caught by the luxury car tax, and I think that included about 80% of all EVs. I refuse to pay it on principle, which rather limits my choices!
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The Golf has disappeared from the configurator- could the Clubsport and R be getting added?
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I’d jump sooner rather than later if I were you Jon, especially if you’re going to throw a few options on but keeping it below the £40k.
Chances of getting the car actually delivered before the next price rises are only going to get slimmer by the day.
Once the list price hits £40k on registration you may as well plump up a bit extra and get an R, IMHO.
It is crazy/scandalous that the £40k "luxury car tax" threshold hasn't moved one jot since 2017. It is a true stealth tax. Even just inflation would mean it should now be nearly £50k. An article in AutoExpress this week states that just over 30% of all new cars registered in 2023 got caught by the luxury car tax, and I think that included about 80% of all EVs. I refuse to pay it on principle, which rather limits my choices!
The £40k threshold won’t be increasing any time soon IMHO, especially if - as we’re being told - there’s a £20bn hole to fill. It’s an easy revenue generator for HM Gov and as car manufacturers continue to increase their list prices, more people will fall into the additional VED band trap.
Any reference to it being a luxury tax was removed some years ago from the gov.uk website - maybe as an acknowledgment that £40k doesn’t buy you a brand new luxury car these days.
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On top off that, anyone thinking of getting the new GTI should have done in July. Drivethedeal have just reduced the discount by £300.
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Dropped into my dealer today. They are independent but a pretty big VW player.
They only had a Mk 8.5 1.5 tsi hybrid in as demo. (With possibly the worst ever wheels/wheel trims in the history of car making).
I asked when they would get a GTI demo in? December 24.
What was factory order forecast? Dec 24 if ordered now.
If ordered now, could the price be guaranteed or at least the 40k limit not be exceeded? Sorry, no.
I’m not blaming the dealer or staff for any of this, very nice people. But I can’t help feeling this will firm up values of the 7.5 and the 8 for some time to come.
For those lucky few who immediately dived in and bagged a new one I can only say……well done indeed!
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Driving past the dealer on the way to work this morning, noticed this inside the showroom. Had a look after work, very nice. Was tempted to go white instead of the moonstone I have on order and get it sooner. But still got to sell my T6 first, and really like moonstone
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Driving past the dealer on the way to work this morning, noticed this inside the showroom. Had a look after work, very nice. Was tempted to go white instead of the moonstone I have on order and get it sooner. But still got to sell my T6 first, and really like moonstone
Nice! I've ordered the white too. Looks good in that photo.
Anymore photos? Side photos?
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Only took the one pic I’m afraid. Rear lights look really good contrasting against the white
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If ordered now, could the price be guaranteed or at least the 40k limit not be exceeded? Sorry, no.
No they can't do that because it's manufacturers list price at time of purchase. Literally nothing they can do about it. They can't predict it any more than we can.
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Dolphin Grey looks decent in these pics:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407181898632