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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 22 March 2016, 20:47
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Hope you guys don't mind me putting this on here but thought there might be some people interested.
VW0390-16
The launch of the new Tiguan is almost upon us – and we’re ready to announce the schedule for bringing this fantastic product to your customers.
Here are the dates you need to know:
24 March Features and style section for new Tiguan goes live on Volkswagen.co.uk and the site announces that we’ll be open for orders on 5 April
1 April Full details available via Desktop, including pricing and specifications
5 April New Tiguan opens for orders
From 23 May Retailers receive three new Tiguan launch vehicles
1 June Start of sales
Excitement around the new Tiguan is already building among press and motorists. Our press trip to Sweden gave UK journalists the chance to put the new Tiguan’s 4Motion Active Control through its paces, while a panel of What Car? magazine readers went to Wolfsburg to experience the new Tiguan up close.
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How its priced will be key to sales I think.
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A new Tig might just tempt me out of my Passat. I just need to muster up the enthusiasm to go to the dealers. If only one would bring one to me...
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Thanks for the info Evo. Helpful as ever.
I'm quite tempted by this new Tiguan. I've had years and years and years of hackbacks I might fancy a change next time. But I'll need to see one in the flesh first. The concept version, R-Line in white, looked really nice IMO.
Interested in the bi-turbo or GTE versions. As McMaddy says pricing will be pivotal. If VW continue their trend for pricing their cars premium, when they're not quite premium, I'll be a quite annoyed. With the emission scandal still fresh in people's minds VW would do well to price this Tiguan keenly. Bet they don't though.
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The R Line is one of my 4 cars choosing from but will have to at least sit in the new model if not the R Line as never driven SUV before so driving position, interior will all be factors that sway though from reviews it does seem to be a nice place to be
Though bought the GTD blind as early purchaser so may have to take a punt.
Had real dislike for the previous Tiguan and interior but this looks very much MK 7 quality especially in R Line.
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Thanks for the info Evo. Helpful as ever.
I'm quite tempted by this new Tiguan. I've had years and years and years of hackbacks I might fancy a change next time. But I'll need to see one in the flesh first. The concept version, R-Line in white, looked really nice IMO.
Interested in the bi-turbo or GTE versions. As McMaddy says pricing will be pivotal. If VW continue their trend for pricing their cars premium, when they're not quite premium, I'll be a quite annoyed. With the emission scandal still fresh in people's minds VW would do well to price this Tiguan keenly. Bet they don't though.
Never had anything but hatch/saloon its the car feel most comfortable in, but the Tiguan tempts me as it does look great in R Line specification and with decent interior to match. Driving reviews have been positive to
Would personally go for the GTD engine choice as if performance was the main driver I would be choosing the GTI/R So the main driver for choosing a Tiguan would be more seeking a refined SUV experience/Golf experience have now.
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We've downsized to one car because my GTI wasn't getting used and those of you that have been here a while won't be surprised to hear that we'll be ordering a new Tiguan! :embarrassed: :shocked: :grin:
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I've got the current tiguan in r line form on a 65 plate and it's much much better than the 2011 one i had before the golf gtd. I'm not going to be an early adopter with the new tiguan but 18 months to 2 years down the line I'll be looking. New tiguan is supposed to be getting the 240bhp diesel engine in it so will be looking at that.
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Thanks for the info evo.
I went to Geneva a few weeks ago to specifically to see the new Tiguan and it is a quality piece of kit. It has some looks of a Q5 IMO.
The ride quality/handling on my current R-Line isn't anywhere near such as a mk7 GTD but hopefully that's been sorted with the body lowering. From looking at the brochures from other countries, it seems that the bi turbo won't be available at launch and the (IIRC) GTE will be released later in the year.
It's a shame that the cars won't be available 'in the flesh' until late May to test drive but what's another few months of waiting in the great scheme of things!
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Personally I don't think that the 240PS engine is necessary in a car like this. You sit up higher, have a much better viewpoint and can happily waft along in a relaxed manor. This chassis dynamics of a taller car don't allow it to corner like a hatch or saloon car, unless it's uncomfortably firm, so you end up pointing and squirting when trying to make progress.
It's internal space and towing capabilities that interest me, more that outright pace.
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We'll most likely go for the middle diesel, 190hp i think? The 150 would probably be sufficient but a little more shove never gets old! We don't do a vast amount of miles anyway but i doubt a petrol would hold it's value very well? Methinks an older mk may well end up as it's stablemate for me to lavish with love! Perhaps an un molested mk2 big bumper or a genuine tidy mk5? :drool:
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I think a Mk5 will just feel like an old(er) car these days, whereas a Mk2 has the charms of a car from an era gone by, so it's compromises are much easier to accept.
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We'll most likely go for the middle diesel, 190hp i think? The 150 would probably be sufficient but a little more shove never gets old! We don't do a vast amount of miles anyway but i doubt a petrol would hold it's value very well? Methinks an older mk may well end up as it's stablemate for me to lavish with love! Perhaps an un molested mk2 big bumper or a genuine tidy mk5? :drool:
The 190 will be the sweet spot in the range I'd think, both for desirability new and used.
A petrol just won't cut the mustard in something with the aerodynamics of a house so unless there's a massive shift in buying habits in the UK I'd think they'd sell hardly any petrols. The torque delivery and better fuel economy has got to favour Diesels in cars like this for 99% of buyers surely?
I personally love the idea of the 240 Diesel but I think the 190 with a tuning box would be a pretty rapid vehicle for when the mood took you and pretty good on fuel the rest of the time when you can just waft on the torque.
As for a stablemate, either of those two would be nice, finding a decent one might be a harder task!
Thanks for the info evo.
I went to Geneva a few weeks ago to specifically to see the new Tiguan and it is a quality piece of kit. It has some looks of a Q5 IMO.
The ride quality/handling on my current R-Line isn't anywhere near such as a mk7 GTD but hopefully that's been sorted with the body lowering. From looking at the brochures from other countries, it seems that the bi turbo won't be available at launch and the (IIRC) GTE will be released later in the year.
It's a shame that the cars won't be available 'in the flesh' until late May to test drive but what's another few months of waiting in the great scheme of things!
Welcome John.
A bit strange that your first post is Tiguan related on a GTI forum, I'll take it that it just came up on a google search or do you have a GTI history? I admire your dedication to duty going all the way to Geneva to view the car, personally I'd have just waited until my local dealer had one in!
As for the 999, is that job related or do you just drive like you're on blues and two's all the time?!! :laugh:
A friend of mine has a 999 sign in which people always assumed was to do with his job, however although his dad is a retired policeman the 999 actually comes from a motorbike he used to own, I think it was a Ducati or something.
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I like the idea of the 240 BiTDI. Wouldn't buy it in the Passat as it's a little 'old man' for me but a Tiguan would be cool. A GTD 4Motion with that engine better still! :laugh:
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I like the idea of the 240 BiTDI. Wouldn't buy it in the Passat as it's a little 'old man' for me but a Tiguan would be cool. A GTD 4Motion with that engine better still! :laugh:
I have driven a Passat with that engine in it and I thought it was extremely good. If I was to get the new Tiguan it would be with that engine for sure.
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Personally I don't think that the 240PS engine is necessary in a car like this. You sit up higher, have a much better viewpoint and can happily waft along in a relaxed manor. This chassis dynamics of a taller car don't allow it to corner like a hatch or saloon car, unless it's uncomfortably firm, so you end up pointing and squirting when trying to make progress.
It's internal space and towing capabilities that interest me, more that outright pace.
Exactly
When eventually choose it will be based on what value most which if performance it would be GTI/R or for the sitting up higher SUV experience and so where performance is not the key factor just decent speed torque and economy and agree with the statement that the mid range diesel unit will be more than sufficient in ticking them boxes and be 98% of the sales in the UK.
The style and quality being so aligned to MK7 Golf is why think this model is going to be so popular it's not a huge leap that maybe was before in style and particularly in the R Line suit
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Personally I don't think that the 240PS engine is necessary in a car like this. You sit up higher, have a much better viewpoint and can happily waft along in a relaxed manor. This chassis dynamics of a taller car don't allow it to corner like a hatch or saloon car, unless it's uncomfortably firm, so you end up pointing and squirting when trying to make progress.
It's internal space and towing capabilities that interest me, more that outright pace.
Exactly
When eventually choose it will be based on what value most which if performance it would be GTI/R or for the sitting up higher SUV experience and so where performance is not the key factor just decent speed torque and economy and agree with the statement that the mid range diesel unit will be more than sufficient in ticking them boxes and be 98% of the sales in the UK.
The style and quality being so aligned to MK7 Golf is why think this model is going to be so popular it's not a huge leap that maybe was before in style and particularly in the R Line suit
I drive my sister in laws X6 a lot and it has nearly 400bhp tuned and it is a fantastic car to drive. If they make the Tiguan handle well enough then I don't see any negative in having that sort of power in a car of its size. The X6 drives, handles and covers ground with ease.
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Welcome John.
A bit strange that your first post is Tiguan related on a GTI forum, I'll take it that it just came up on a google search or do you have a GTI history? I admire your dedication to duty going all the way to Geneva to view the car, personally I'd have just waited until my local dealer had one in!
Thanks for the welcome. mcmaddy is also on the Tiguan forum and posted a link here.
I've previously had a mk5 diesel GT Golf but then moved on to other cars within the VAG range - a couple of Octavia VRS's and now the Tiguan. The Geneva visit was my second as I also went last year to look at the Focus RS and Mustang.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LxiejN7eG3c/VRRgx474EbI/AAAAAAAAEwU/HEe7pcsOACQmYftx05oH4HJ-TnLOrcfHQCCo/s912-Ic42/Geneva2015%2B391-2.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CD3Tz-edBqY/VTVVuyPQcxI/AAAAAAAAE0E/HB8ISPgqNLk8oiN9eXNhxZTfI2w2ECCwgCCo/s912-Ic42/Geneva2015%2B375-2.JPG)
Neither of those really hit the nail on the head so 12 months on and another visit was needed to inspect the Tiguan!
GTE Concept.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fY3J2P1oYfU/Vtx9VjW32RI/AAAAAAAAHdc/TJVOzhLzS-QF4b-spubCPU_SbmChXEMagCCo/s912-Ic42/Tiguan%2B55.JPG)
R-Line.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Sg2U_bvuDpk/Vtx9-8r5JWI/AAAAAAAAHdU/K6PD6lpukVIH3Mb-_9f1qewit9feB3tZACCo/s912-Ic42/Tiguan%2B79.JPG)
HUD.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xXBOZtRUDWQ/Vtx9-y9TkbI/AAAAAAAAHdU/I2PIh5824Nwx-iMgmEKqa9i7WOTw8SFZQCCo/s912-Ic42/Tiguan%2B80.JPG)
Anyway, it's mid way through the 24th and still no change to the VW website. :sad:
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Anyway, it's mid way through the 24th and still no change to the VW website. :sad:
Absolutely no surprise there. VW UK are shocking at keeping their promises. I keep checking too. I think it will be the 5th April (or a little earlier) before we see the UK website update with the new Tiguan spec and prices.
Imagine ordering the current Tiguan today. Gutted. Although you may not be able to order one through the proper channels (i.e. dealer computer).
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Really not a fan of any of these SUV style vehicles. They're all fugly.
Now the Mustang is more like it and RHD too!
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Really not a fan of any of these SUV style vehicles. They're all fugly.
I guess that depends on whether you have the 'need' for one.
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Quite like the look of this.
Might have a look at it to replace the Mrs's GTI.
Will depend on price and spec of course.
The page is on VW's webpage but is in the forthcoming models bit.
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/tiguan-nf/home (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/tiguan-nf/home)
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Really not a fan of any of these SUV style vehicles. They're all fugly.
I guess that depends on whether you have the 'need' for one.
By 'need' I assume you mean need more space?
The fact that people buy them when most of them offer no more room than a standard car I find strange.
A lot of people I know personally, have one child and buy a people carrier!
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There's a reason small SUVS are beating traditional shapes in sales for family cars. They can be more practical, even if they have no more space
Two examples:
Raised suspension/ride height - less grounding out over speed bumps/road humps.car park entrances, and easier to lift kids in and out.
Elevated driving position - better visibility at junctions for the driver
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Really not a fan of any of these SUV style vehicles. They're all fugly.
I guess that depends on whether you have the 'need' for one.
By 'need' I assume you mean need more space?
The fact that people buy them when most of them offer no more room than a standard car I find strange.
A lot of people I know personally, have one child and buy a people carrier!
Its all a con. As you say most offer no extra room over a standard car and some feel rather cramped in space
I much prefer estates hence why I bought one!! :grin:
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Really not a fan of any of these SUV style vehicles. They're all fugly.
I guess that depends on whether you have the 'need' for one.
By 'need' I assume you mean need more space?
The fact that people buy them when most of them offer no more room than a standard car I find strange.
A lot of people I know personally, have one child and buy a people carrier!
Its all a con. As you say most offer no extra room over a standard car and some feel rather cramped in space
I much prefer estates hence why I bought one!! :grin:
Agree with all these comments. Some people seem to like these SUVs though, including my parents who just got a 2015 Qashqai, which I pointed them towards, as they wanted that sort of car and were looking at a Kuga. Nice enough as the Qashquai is, and has plenty of toys on board, I don't think it really offers little, if any more space inside than the golf, and I don't like the driving position of being high up - I had a quick go in it, and then jumped back in the GTD, and it felt like I was sitting on the ground in comparison!
Had the new tiguan come out 6 months to a year earlier I would have pointed them towards getting one of them, but the current tiguan just looks a bit out of date inside and out.
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The point of suv's for most is the driving position ie higher up and also access. The current tiguan in facelift guise is still a good looking car and the inside is exactly the same as mk 5 and 6 golfs just updated but it's proven. Tiguan feels a lot sturdier and solid than the mk7 gtd i had so i hope the new version doesn't go all flimsy on the mqb platform.
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I'd like one for it's towing capabilities. My Passat estate does a good job, but does lack the weight required to keep a bigger trailer or caravan in check. A higher driving position and larger mirrors also give much better visibility when reversing a trailer.
A proper 4x4 would be the best tool for the job, but the running costs when being used as a normal car would be too much of a compromise.
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I'd forgotten about what good towing capabilities the Tig had as it wasn't part of the criteria when I purchased it. The total lack of wheelspin was something I hadn't bargained for as previous (FWD) cars could manage that in third gear depending on the conditions. Likewise the raised seating position is good but I don't particularly miss that when driving in the other car - a 5er.
Just as an aside and even though I've got notifications set up, I don't seem to be getting any at all! Is that normal?
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Just as an aside and even though I've got notifications set up, I don't seem to be getting any at all! Is that normal?
I get thread notifications through ok on this forum (but not some others) but PM notifications don't come through.
I think you may just have to persevere with the settings a bit, maybe clear cache and history etc out and try again.
Love the Mustang pic in your other post. Every time I go past a Ford dealer I just want to go in and try one just for the hell of it!
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No doubt evo1986 is so busy preparing for the Tiguan launch he hasn't had time to update the thread. Luckily I managed to get some additional info today:-
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cM5ftZ2nmkQ/VwALMhRLvVI/AAAAAAAAH2o/KPgsdDjUu6wPNXShRhSKJ0i_F6NCTo9pACCo/s720-Ic42/Tiguan%2Binfo.jpg)
It looks like the pricing is cumulative with each additional spec level but no doubt that will all become clearer on the 5th.
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R Line, part cloth part leather effect :whistle:
Hope it's better than the plastic leather in the golf.
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The German site has the Tiguan on its website now. Worth a look:
http://m.volkswagen.de/de/models/der-neue-tiguan/gallery.opt.html
Active info display looks nice.
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R Line, part cloth part leather effect :whistle:
Hope it's better than the plastic leather in the golf.
The last R-Line initially only had a different material combo to differentiate it (+ the R logo) and the Vienna leather was a £1650 option. In the run out period, leather had been included in the price.
Has anyone seen photos of the new wheel designs?
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Has anyone seen photos of the new wheel designs?
Have a look at the German configurator. Use Google Chrome to translate. However, those wheel designs might be different for the UK market!
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R Line, part cloth part leather effect :whistle:
Hope it's better than the plastic leather in the golf.
The last R-Line initially only had a different material combo to differentiate it (+ the R logo) and the Vienna leather was a £1650 option. In the run out period, leather had been included in the price.
Has anyone seen photos of the new wheel designs?
I know that, the point I was making was they are now calling it leather effect. I think that is the first time I have ever seen VW call it that.
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R Line, part cloth part leather effect :whistle:
Hope it's better than the plastic leather in the golf.
The last R-Line initially only had a different material combo to differentiate it (+ the R logo) and the Vienna leather was a £1650 option. In the run out period, leather had been included in the price.
Has anyone seen photos of the new wheel designs?
I've got a pdf emailed to me by my dealer a few little details on but i don't think i can link it here, it looks like the 20" Suzuka wheels will be the option wheels and the 19" Sebring will be standard on R line models.
20" Suzuka:
https://youtu.be/_NRbhU2pWb4
19" Sebring:
https://youtu.be/Oc2qojDJwvM
I personally would go for the 19's as my wife will be driving it most and shes terrified about scratching the wheels on my GTI!
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I forgot to mention the release dates! :whistle:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-pamgxm0FjWA/VwFSVDaaJWI/AAAAAAAAH4Y/WhNQt62Y_IoY0cTQVaVzp5UhOakD9pIBACCo/s879-Ic42/Tiguan2%2Binfo.jpg)
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SEL 150 DSG 4Mo for me. I really wouldn't fancy 20" wheels and sports suspension. Or, I might just wait and see what the next Volvo XC60 is like.
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The 19” wheels look very similar to the current 19”option Mallory's.
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Indeed - also disappointed to find no additional info today. Come on VW - I need some info! 180hp petrol dsg in SEL or R Line trim for me (depending on prices and stuff of course)....
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Yay....5th April
Boooo...no change to the "coming soon" on VWs website...
If you go to the VW site and browse all new cars - to get the icons for every model - then select new Tiguan you can now get the main information. Suffice to say it is quite pricey - base car more than £25k, by the time I had added some spec to a petrol R Line with DSG, I was shading £40k, and £38k for an SEL.
Will have to be very good at those prices - that's Discovery Sport with an OK spec (diesel though!) or well specced X1 with similar power.
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Thanks - nicely hidden :)
Waiting lease prices now to get an idea
Personal buy for me and I try and avoid leases (lack of flexibility if circumstances change) or PCP (interest on balloon and negative equity) where possible - but I suspect at those prices with little discount early on I will either be passing or waiting.
Land Rover wont give me more then 4% off a Disco Sport and want an APR of 6.9% on finance, so that's looking pretty pricey when the car comes out at £45k
You can get a pre reg X3 2.0d M sport with a reasonable spec for less than £35k.... maybe I go that way instead....
Picking a new car should be a joy but its all incredibly hard work - has to be dog friendly, soon to be born grandchild and buggy friendly, one my 24 year old can be insured on (so I can borrow her Mini for the station run and such), comfortable, refined, good quality......
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42% residual, I suppose that's not too bad, but that's what is basically making up the lease cost.
If you want a better value lease deal on a Chelsea tractor:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars/87343/car-depreciation-the-cars-that-hold-their-value-best
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Just been on Drive The Deal website to see what they're offering discount wise.
Tiguan SEL DSG 4Motion 2.0L TDI 150ps (10.4% discount)
Tiguan R-Line DSG 4Motion 2.0L TDI 150ps (10.5% discount)
Not too shabby a discount considering order books only opened yesterday.
However, on the whole I have to say it's looking very costly this new Tiguan. As I suspected VW continue to creep their prices higher than inflation and wage rises. They're getting too close to Audi territory for my liking. I've been buying VW's for years and I have to say they're changing as a brand and moving too upmarket. They want to mix it with Mec, BMW and Audi. Skoda are what VW were 10 years ago price wise.
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That'll explain why I could get a q5 for £355 with 10% down. Hopefully when lease companies get their hands on it, the news will be better
6.5% APR isnt helping either - plus no support currently.
I'll wait 3 months and see how all of those change or fund from another source (3.3% apr up to 15k from my bank looking promising)
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thought i'd see if any dealer was offering a discount via carwow yet...3 down, no discounts.
Hardly surprising I guess but i had hoped
Try Drive The Deal (DTD). 10.5% discounts to be had. See my post above :wink:
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I see from the price brochure their must be a 190 TDI and a 240PS BITDI coming at some point.
No doubt there will be much change from 40k!
I also see that you have to run the diesels with AdBlue also, and of course they recommend you only buy that from VW. Yet another additional running cost.
A golf R is looking more attractive!
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how much is AdBlue ? £1.50 a litre ? 12 litres last 3500 miles or so ? I've never had AdBlue so am unsure
@GerryD - got an email today saying Golf R DSG wagon for £179.99 + £2400 deposit, 24 months, 10k pa
My old A6 3.0 diesel was using ad blue at the rate of about 15 lites per 7000 miles. I was buying it pretty cheap (brother in trade) so it was £20 each time....
Those R prices look more attractive. Have found well specced stock cars on Auto Trader at £34k which is also attractive v Tiguan but I may struggle with insurance for my 24 year old daughter on an R!
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Ad blue is about 70p per litre from the pump or you can buy 10 litres from tps for 12 quid. How long it lasts is entirely down to your driving style and habits. I got 4k miles from new out of my adblue but that's been mainly shortish journeys.
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how much is AdBlue ? £1.50 a litre ? 12 litres last 3500 miles or so ? I've never had AdBlue so am unsure
@GerryD - got an email today saying Golf R DSG wagon for £179.99 + £2400 deposit, 24 months, 10k pa
I buy mine online - 20 litres for £20.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291638843472 was my last purchase
In our A6 Avant, a tank (17 litres or so) lasts for around 8-9k miles
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how much is AdBlue ? £1.50 a litre ? 12 litres last 3500 miles or so ? I've never had AdBlue so am unsure
@GerryD - got an email today saying Golf R DSG wagon for £179.99 + £2400 deposit, 24 months, 10k pa
Never had an AdBlue car so not sure about prices or how well it is available.
That price for the R is attractive, but would prefer to buy than lease.
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The Passat runs with Adblue doesn't it?
If the Tiguan is based on MQB and the Golf's don't use Adblue, why does a Tiguan?
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190 and 240PS Passats use Ad Blue.
I'd guess the larger cars create higher emissions as the engines are working harder to move the greater mass.
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That price for the R is attractive, but would prefer to buy than lease.
A few new unreg cars on Auto Trader at the £34k mark with full spec -- there was one at less than £30k that was in basic trim.
If only you could spec "discrete exhausts becoming of a 4 cylinder" as an option....
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The Passat runs with Adblue doesn't it?
If the Tiguan is based on MQB and the Golf's don't use Adblue, why does a Tiguan?
Tiguan is a lot heavier than a golf so the emissions are higher.
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Anyone know when the Seat Ateca is due?
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Anyone know when the Seat Ateca is due?
September according to this weeks Auto Express - pricess announced though, £30k for a top of the range 190ps dsg awd....
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That price for the R is attractive, but would prefer to buy than lease.
A few new unreg cars on Auto Trader at the £34k mark with full spec -- there was one at less than £30k that was in basic trim.
If only you could spec "discrete exhausts becoming of a 4 cylinder" as an option....
Or you can order new with discount, should be around £33-35k with a high spec list. ;)
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Or you can order new with discount, should be around £33-35k with a high spec list. ;)
Yep, but then you have to wait! I normally find a stock car, show them what I can order one for if I wnt to wait and ask for a few percent below that.... Some will deal, some wont. If they dont there are other dealers and other cars...