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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Ricepop on 15 August 2013, 13:03
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I have just had a phone call from my dealer saying that my order had been put back to week 51!!!
I ordered my GTD on the 15th April, this means that if this stands I will have to wait for 10 months.
I am readying my cancelling voice :angry:
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I have just had a phone call from my dealer saying that my order had been put back to week 51!!!
I ordered my GTD on the 15th April, this means that if this stands I will have to wait for 10 months.
I am readying my cancelling voice :angry:
That's a complete pisstake :angry:
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Holy crap...now that's a bit of shocker :shocked: I hope it's a mistake mate because that is taking the piss.
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I have just had a phone call from my dealer saying that my order had been put back to week 51!!!
I ordered my GTD on the 15th April, this means that if this stands I will have to wait for 10 months.
I am readying my cancelling voice :angry:
What's your spec? Did they offer any explanation, like maybe VW are doing this or the dealership cocked up their allocations or have manipulated them to bring someone elses order haead of yours? I would tell them to bugger off and cancel. Are you via a broker?
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Depending on how much you want the car and how much discount you got I'd be looking to cancel and reorder with the best discount currently available (still 12% ?), and take your business elsewhere on principal if nothing else.
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What's your spec? Did they offer any explanation, like maybe VW are doing this or the dealership cocked up their allocations or have manipulated them to bring someone elses order haead of yours? I would tell them to bugger off and cancel. Are you via a broker?
5 dr Tornado red with Sat nav (not pro) and park assist, no explanation from VW. The dealer is trying to get to the bottom of it.
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Errrr, I'd be cancelling straight away and heading over to the BMW garage. 120d - quicker and nearly as economical. That is absolutely outrageous!
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Is it a local VW Dealer?
The delivery date look like one you'd get if you re-ordered!
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Errrr, I'd be cancelling straight away and heading over to the BMW garage. 120d - quicker and nearly as economical. That is absolutely outrageous!
Only worth it if they give out free paper bags for life and throw in the optional indicators for free too. :grin:
Go elsewhere (broker) and see what they can do for you and then get your depoosit back. Nothing specced there with known delay issues.
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5 dr Tornado red with Sat nav (not pro) and park assist, no explanation from VW. The dealer is trying to get to the bottom of it.
Damn. That sucks. I feel your pain. What was your original estimate? Your spec is pretty vanilla apart from park assist. Surely park assist cant be the cause?
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Sod that! Absolute p**s take!
Mate I can get you 12.5% with my dealer. PM me if you decide to cancel.
Good luck in getting it sorted though.
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Its from a dealer just round the corner, they are as p*ssed off as me.
My original estimate was end of June to mid July, but then had an estimated build week of 38 right up until last week.
There doesn't seem any point keeping the order if they stick with BW51 as I can probably get a better BW if I re-order.
Don't know what to buy if I cancel though. Not a fan of BMW may go to Merc though to support Lewis in his F1 car.
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Thats "Unreal!"..... I dont care how good the GTD, I would not be prepared to wait 10 months!!! Cancel and take your business elsewhere.
There must be some mistake?.... Surely???.....
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Errrr, I'd be cancelling straight away and heading over to the BMW garage. 120d - quicker and nearly as economical. That is absolutely outrageous!
I wouldn't be, not with those looks! I'd be waiting for the next iteration of the 1 series hatch before even entertaining the idea of owning one!
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First things first, ring VWCS and ask for an explanation and and exact date of when your order was accepted, it sounds to me like your dealer may have fluffed your original order? Get the facts (however loose the facts are) before cancelling.
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First things first, ring VWCS and ask for an explanation and and exact date of when your order was accepted, it sounds to me like your dealer may have fluffed your original order? Get the facts (however loose the facts are) before cancelling.
I don't think the dealer fluffed the order, its been on the tracker for months now. There is something fishy going on though, I think that if I walked into a showroom now and ordered I would get it quicker.
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That's absolutely crazy!!
Get your deposit back, take the business elsewhere.
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Depending on how much you want the car and how much discount you got I'd be looking to cancel and reorder with the best discount currently available (still 12% ?), and take your business elsewhere on principal if nothing else.
+1, good idea, they're having a laugh......
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That really is outrageous. My build week has just slipped from 34 to 42 so I can empathise. My dealer didn't even call me to tell me this, I had to leave 3 messages with reception before they even got back to me.
Does anyone know the actual rules regarding deposits? I'm 99% sure I'm going to cancel now, mainly out of principal on how I've been treated throughout the process. But is slippage in the order enough to be guaranteed the return of your deposit?
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time to buy one of those ex demos they just put up for sale :whistle:
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That really is outrageous. My build week has just slipped from 34 to 42 so I can empathise. My dealer didn't even call me to tell me this, I had to leave 3 messages with reception before they even got back to me.
Does anyone know the actual rules regarding deposits? I'm 99% sure I'm going to cancel now, mainly out of principal on how I've been treated throughout the process. But is slippage in the order enough to be guaranteed the return of your deposit?
have a look on the back of the invoice, mine says that I will get my full deposit back if it is delayed beyond the estimated delivery date.
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That really is outrageous. My build week has just slipped from 34 to 42 so I can empathise. My dealer didn't even call me to tell me this, I had to leave 3 messages with reception before they even got back to me.
Does anyone know the actual rules regarding deposits? I'm 99% sure I'm going to cancel now, mainly out of principal on how I've been treated throughout the process. But is slippage in the order enough to be guaranteed the return of your deposit?
have a look on the back of the invoice, mine says that I will get my full deposit back if it is delayed beyond the estimated delivery date.
Cheers mate - yes it says 28 days after the estimate (which it will be).
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You can get deposit back. Order form is not worth the paper it is written on.
Legally you are in a strong position.
Ask for money back, they should be reap enable and do it without fuss.
If not, escalate to brand manager at the site.
100% you will get money back
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I have just had a phone call from my dealer saying that my order had been put back to week 51!!!
I ordered my GTD on the 15th April, this means that if this stands I will have to wait for 10 months.
I am readying my cancelling voice :angry:
Holy sh!t! I ordered on April 27th and i've got Provisional 37!
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Have a good look on your order on the tracker - has it changed at all? Maybe the dealer cocked up a spec change on another order and applied it to yours instead (this is why my dad got his GTD 2 months before i'll get mine).
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Have a good look on your order on the tracker - has it changed at all? Maybe the dealer cocked up a spec change on another order and applied it to yours instead (this is why my dad got his GTD 2 months before i'll get mine).
I have just looked and it is with the factory apparently, maybe they are using my order to prop up a wobbly table.
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
They do, and they have to. Except you'll get given an Up! If I were you I'd cancel. BW51 is a joke.
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
I asked about this. Birmingham vw told me they don't offer one.
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Before you do anything rash I would find out what the delay is.
And also find out what car you would get after 20 weeks.
Won't necessarily be an up.
If it is a mk7 golf or scirocco ( or indeed a c class merc..) who knows?
It's not like you are under any time pressure
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
I asked about this. Birmingham vw told me they don't offer one.
They have to offer one. It's in their terms. So they're talking sh1te!
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
I asked about this. Birmingham vw told me they don't offer one.
They have to offer one. It's in their terms. So they're talking sh1te!
Could you refer me to something so I am equipped with summat when I go back to them.
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What happens with the part ex value when they delay your order?
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What happens with the part ex value when they delay your order?
I would think they would have to honour it. I have just sold mine privately so I'm without a car for the next 5 months.
Dealer would have to take a massive hit on the part ex value after 10 months.
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What happens with the part ex value when they delay your order?
I would think they would have to honour it. I have just sold mine privately so I'm without a car for the next 5 months.
Dealer would have to take a massive hit on the part ex value after 10 months.
Always get a fixed p/x - hopefully the OP has done this. VW can compensate the dealer for delays which eat away at the P/X value, after 20 weeks from order acceptance by VW UK, I believe.
If the dealer cannot provide a coutesy car then VW UK should be able to provide one directly, again after 20 weeks from order acceptance.
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
I asked about this. Birmingham vw told me they don't offer one.
They have to offer one. It's in their terms. So they're talking sh1te!
Could you refer me to something so I am equipped with summat when I go back to them.
Have a look on the terms & conditions on the back of your order form, I think its on there. Or just phone the VW Exec Office (they were the ones that confirmed this for me).
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Wow and I thought I had it tough waiting 17 weeks after ordering 1st week April
Easy for me to say, but don't cancel, it's a fantastic car !!!
I have thought about asking for a courtesy car while I wait, its already been 18 weeks and apparently they provide one after 20 weeks.
I asked about this. Birmingham vw told me they don't offer one.
They have to offer one. It's in their terms. So they're talking sh1te!
Could you refer me to something so I am equipped with summat when I go back to them.
Have a look on the terms & conditions on the back of your order form, I think its on there. Or just phone the VW Exec Office (they were the ones that confirmed this for me).
I will do, does anyone have the exec office's contact details. I called VWCS they said courtesy cars due to delays need to be taken up with the dealership with whom you ordered.
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That's how I understand it - your dealership is responsible for providing the courtesy car, and they will have to claim any costs back from VW.
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That's how I understand it - your dealership is responsible for providing the courtesy car, and they will have to claim any costs back from VW.
Thanks I will defo look into this. Twenty weeks are up the wc bank holiday Monday.
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Just had a phone call from Shabaz at VWCS.
He has told me that my car is still at BW51 this is due to a production problem with the GTI/GTD.
It seems that there are going to be a lot of unacceptable delays coming.
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Just had a phone call from Shabaz at VWCS.
He has told me that my car is still at BW51 this is due to a production problem with the GTI/GTD.
It seems that there are going to be a lot of unacceptable delays coming.
If it is GTI and GTD then it cannot be the engine (thought that maybe Seat FR were grabbing a lot of GTD engines). So Shabaz couldn't be any more specific on the delay cause? Sure you're not being bullsh!tted? Sounds that at least your dealer isn't at fault and it is all down to VW.
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Just had a phone call from Shabaz at VWCS.
He has told me that my car is still at BW51 this is due to a production problem with the GTI/GTD.
It seems that there are going to be a lot of unacceptable delays coming.
If it is GTI and GTD then it cannot be the engine (thought that maybe Seat FR were grabbing a lot of GTD engines). So Shabaz couldn't be any more specific on the delay cause? Sure you're not being bullsh!tted? Sounds that at least your dealer isn't at fault and it is all down to VW.
He couldn't elaborate, the trouble is you never know who is telling the truth. I spoke to one lady at VWCS this morning who couldn't see a problem with waiting for 10 months for a golf, whereas Shabaz thinks its ridiculous.
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Sh!t the Bed!!!!!
Just rung VWCS and i've been put to Week 51 as well!!!!!!
Cancellation time. I refuse to wait until next year for my new car.
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Wtf is going on over in Germany?! That's outrageous, I would be cancelling as well if I were you.
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Blimey, this is getting ridiculous. I think if that had happened to me, I'd be cancelling too. It's a bog-standard VW, not a hand-built supercar.
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It's ridiculous. I ordered my car on Saturday 27th April and at the time was promised an August delivery which never happened. I wasn't too fussed as it'd slipped to an October delivery at that point, I was happy to wait a bit longer.
I'm then expecting Build Week confirmed this week, for Week 37 production which has been estimated for a few months now.
I ring VW again just now to check, Build week 51! Stating "production problems on the GTI and GTD but I don't have specifics".
I haven't even waited 4 months up to press, and I'm not waiting another 5 (At Least). There's waiting for something and then there's just downright taking the piss.
I was prepared to let it slip the first time, absolutely no way now.
I'm just waiting on my salesman to ring me back. If they can't find something brand new with the spec I want pretty quick then i'm going to have to order a 120d. It was my second choice car but on principle I'm not allowing VW to take the piss out of me. They have a Night Blue GTD 5 door in the showroom that i'd take. Only problem is it doesn't have leather but I can live without it.
I'll report back on what I hear.
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Is this only happening to GTD orders? If so it's probably demand for the Engine or associated components now Seat/Skoda/VW and Audi are introducing it across the range (i.e. vRS and A3)
If my build week was put back that much I'd likely cancel and go else where (Petrol - back to looking at M135i and S3, Diesel - probably the A3 with the 185PS Engine!)
Week 51 is what I'd expect from a new order!!!
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It's ridiculous. I ordered my car on Saturday 27th April and at the time was promised an August delivery which never happened. I wasn't too fussed as it'd slipped to an October delivery at that point, I was happy to wait a bit longer.
I'm then expecting Build Week confirmed this week, for Week 37 production which has been estimated for a few months now.
I ring VW again just now to check, Build week 51! Stating "production problems on the GTI and GTD but I don't have specifics".
I haven't even waited 4 months up to press, and I'm not waiting another 5 (At Least). There's waiting for something and then there's just downright taking the piss.
I was prepared to let it slip the first time, absolutely no way now.
I'm just waiting on my salesman to ring me back. If they can't find something brand new with the spec I want pretty quick then i'm going to have to order a 120d. It was my second choice car but on principle I'm not allowing VW to take the piss out of me. They have a Night Blue GTD 5 door in the showroom that i'd take. Only problem is it doesn't have leather but I can live without it.
I'll report back on what I hear.
That is just crazy - I wonder whether any others beyond BW37 confirmed are going to get the same treatment? What do the GTI/GTD share that no other Golf variant does? Shortage of Jacara cloth (both types)? Steeirng wheel inserts? Colour MFD? Xenon headlights or unique LED tail lights?
If one of those is the reason, my money would be on the lights. I wouldn't be put off by the lack of leather if I were you - the Jacara cloth has a huge visual impact on the internals.
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Is this only happening to GTD orders? If so it's probably demand for the Engine or associated components now Seat/Skoda/VW and Audi are introducing it across the range (i.e. vRS and A3)
If my build week was put back that much I'd likely cancel and go else where (Petrol - back to looking at M135i and S3, Diesel - probably the A3 with the 185PS Engine!)
Week 51 is what I'd expect from a new order!!!
If it is the GTD engine then you'll probably get no joy with an A3 with the same engine. If I had to change and there's nothing out there I want then i'd probably go for an A1 S-line and run it a year before handing over to the wife - she wants one when I get my redundancy lumper (and then back in work in a new job) - she needs to pass her test first!
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I suspect everyone here who isn't yet confirmed will be ringing VW CS today. Would be good to know if any GTIers are facing these delays, or if they're saying GTI and GTD face delays because they just don't know/refuse to tell you the truth.
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What are the lead times on the S3? :-) First delivers November, wonder if they will be affected by the same production issues.
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I dropped into the dealership today to confirm the initial payment details and discuss a delivery date.
The fleet manager left the business two weeks ago btw and was told 'all GTD's' are advised as wk51.
I said fine, I'd like to cancel immediately.
After a couple of minutes of explanation from my side they double checked and because my car will be owned by VWFinance during the lease period the timing was different. They expect mid September delivery but we agreed on the last week of September. The track my order tells that my car should be built this week, they say next.
Just thought I'd share.
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ive emailed my dealer to see if my build has been put back, if it has then its not just the GTD's :angry: i'll let you know what i hear back
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I dropped into the dealership today to confirm the initial payment details and discuss a delivery date.
The fleet manager left the business two weeks ago btw and was told 'all GTD's' are advised as wk51.
I said fine, I'd like to cancel immediately.
After a couple of minutes of explanation from my side they double checked and because my car will be owned by VWFinance during the lease period the timing was different. They expect mid September delivery but we agreed on the last week of September. The track my order tells that my car should be built this week, they say next.
Just thought I'd share.
When did you order?
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This is all just utterly ridiculous!!
When you order a car, the delivery of that vehicle is one of the factors which will sway me if I'm split between to makes.
This behaviour by VW is just a shear scam, I'm sure of it. How can the marketing dept' of a company of VW's magtidude (they are now the largest are they not?) get is so wrong?
The MK6 suffered the same issues and I'm very dissapointed in VW that they have allowed this too happen again with the MK7.
If it were me......I'd seriously look at a BMW M135i (which as we know can be had with a juicy discount) or a basic Audi S3.
Come on VW - own up and stop pi55ing your customers off.
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Just cancelled my order and got my deposit refunded.
The sales guy has told me it affects "All GTD's".
They would only do the one they had in the showroom for £391 per month. Which with my P/X and £10k deposit is more than I want to spend. My cancelled one was £325.
Back to the drawing board.
Anybody know of any dealers with one in their showroom?
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I dropped into the dealership today to confirm the initial payment details and discuss a delivery date.
The fleet manager left the business two weeks ago btw and was told 'all GTD's' are advised as wk51.
I said fine, I'd like to cancel immediately.
After a couple of minutes of explanation from my side they double checked and because my car will be owned by VWFinance during the lease period the timing was different. They expect mid September delivery but we agreed on the last week of September. The track my order tells that my car should be built this week, they say next.
Just thought I'd share.
What week were you estimated at prior to today?
Not sure how the priority is given to VW financed cars - how do they know you're not taking up finance until you pick up the car and pay with BACS or debit card? I've had a finance quote, but i'm not going to follow it through.
I would be concerned my GTD is delayed (as it should be built this week, but seemingly hasn't beenso far) because of this BW51 issue if it wasn't for a few BW33 GTIs that also haven't been built.
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Ipswich has a nice one , grey, 19s, nav pro, +??????£30,500 ish, 5 miles on the clock.
I order mine two or three days after the 'book' opened, think that was first week of April, ( so long ago can't be sure). Order reference is :231757xx
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I dropped into the dealership today to confirm the initial payment details and discuss a delivery date.
The fleet manager left the business two weeks ago btw and was told 'all GTD's' are advised as wk51.
I said fine, I'd like to cancel immediately.
After a couple of minutes of explanation from my side they double checked and because my car will be owned by VWFinance during the lease period the timing was different. They expect mid September delivery but we agreed on the last week of September. The track my order tells that my car should be built this week, they say next.
Just thought I'd share.
What week were you estimated at prior to today?
Not sure how the priority is given to VW financed cars - how do they know you're not taking up finance until you pick up the car and pay with BACS or debit card? I've had a finance quote, but i'm not going to follow it through.
I would be concerned my GTD is delayed (as it should be built this week, but seemingly hasn't beenso far) because of this BW51 issue if it wasn't for a few BW33 GTIs that also haven't been built.
Alright Monkey, wk33, this week. Same as you I think.
I'll be leasing the car directly from VW Group Finance, they'll own the car. If I had used another lease solution from a third party I believe it would be treated slightly differently, perhaps it would be considered as 'retail'.
Sat in a showroom car today, and after the amount of time I've already waited, I'm ain't pulling out now.
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I can't believe how sh!tty VW are behaving here, ridiculous delays, no info and no car until next year probably. :evil:
I'm not even going to check with mine as it's Friday and I'm in a good mood. I await a phone call anytime soon though :cry:
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Just rang VW UK. They couldn't get through to the sales team who can check a car's progress, so i'm supposedly on callback for when the rep can get through to them - i'm not holding my breath.
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From reading posts here in general it seems all those how have a confirmed build wk33, w/c 11.08 will be OK for a late September delivery. Those who haven't might be dragged into wk51. Anyway, all good things come to those who wait.......... :whistle:
I was weighing up a trip to the audi dealership to discuss what's on offer but I reckon those who pull out in haste will repent at their leisure..... :whistle:
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Just rang VW UK. They couldn't get through to the sales team who can check a car's progress, so i'm supposedly on callback for when the rep can get through to them - i'm not holding my breath.
Brilliant MH - I did that about 10 mins ago as well, and I was told exactly the same thing!! :grin:
I was assured by the chap that I'd get a callback from him before 4pm - I too am not holding my breath! :rolleyes:
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Just rang VW UK. They couldn't get through to the sales team who can check a car's progress, so i'm supposedly on callback for when the rep can get through to them - i'm not holding my breath.
Brilliant MH - I did that about 10 mins ago as well, and I was told exactly the same thing!! :grin:
I was assured by the chap that I'd get a callback from him before 4pm - I too am not holding my breath! :rolleyes:
Before 4pm? I was given no such promise - they'll probably ring me at 3:45 if they ring at all - I will have left 5 mins earlier to pick up the missus from work.
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Just rang VW UK. They couldn't get through to the sales team who can check a car's progress, so i'm supposedly on callback for when the rep can get through to them - i'm not holding my breath.
Brilliant MH - I did that about 10 mins ago as well, and I was told exactly the same thing!! :grin:
I was assured by the chap that I'd get a callback from him before 4pm - I too am not holding my breath! :rolleyes:
Before 4pm? I was given no such promise - they'll probably ring me at 3:45 if they ring at all - I will have left 5 mins earlier to pick up the missus from work.
Well I asked him would I get a reply today, and he said usually they get back to him latest within 2 hours so I'll call you latest 4pm. I would be shocked if either of us gets a callback to be honest.
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Matchboy: Prepare to be shocked, they just rang me back, but pretty much told me fu(k all. According to them, it can be built within 2 weeks of the confirmed build week and still be considered on time. I assume from what she said she either didn't check with sales (because she couldn't get through), or it hasn't been started yet and she's conveniently skirted the issue. She will apparently phone me back same time next week with an update.
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I was weighing up a trip to the audi dealership to discuss what's on offer but I reckon those who pull out in haste will repent at their leisure..... :whistle:
I agree here, I have just phoned up about an Ex demonstrator fro another dealer. I can have it next month but it will have 3,000 miles on it, its a similar spec and price as a new one so I thought it would be easy.
However because I am buying on solutions different rules apply for used cars, the monthly payment is £100 more per month.
I think waiting may be the best option.
Besides I am crossing my fingers that I can get a registration like this 'GO14 GTD'
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Matchboy: Prepare to be shocked, they just rang me back, but pretty much told me fu(k all. According to them, it can be built within 2 weeks of the confirmed build week and still be considered on time. I assume from what she said she either didn't check with sales (because she couldn't get through), or it hasn't been started yet and she's conveniently skirted the issue. She will apparently phone me back same time next week with an update.
I've literally fallen off my chair in shock at the level of detail they have provided you :rolleyes:
I did not know about the 'built within 2 weeks' rule - this is new to me. So now, according to VW, a build confirmed week is actually a build confirmed 2 weeks :rolleyes:
I haven't had my callback as yet (SHOCKER!) but I'll report back when I do. Given the delays coming through today from others, I'm bracing myself from a mid Sep delivery now being late Sep/early Oct. :angry:
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Well. Cr4p.
I was unconfirmed BW38 (not 39 as I previously thought) and was expecting to go confirmed next Friday. Contacted my dealer and have been told that there are delays with the GTD's and that at present I have no unconfirmed BW at all any more. I have tried to press for the reason for the delay and have been told it is out of the hand of the retailers and is a factory issue in Germany. :angry:
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I was weighing up a trip to the audi dealership to discuss what's on offer but I reckon those who pull out in haste will repent at their leisure..... :whistle:
I agree here, I have just phoned up about an Ex demonstrator fro another dealer. I can have it next month but it will have 3,000 miles on it, its a similar spec and price as a new one so I thought it would be easy.
However because I am buying on solutions different rules apply for used cars, the monthly payment is £100 more per month.
I think waiting may be the best option.
Besides I am crossing my fingers that I can get a registration like this 'GO14 GTD'
I just spec'ed a A3 184 manual, headliner, roof, 18's, heating seat and adaptive suspension
, mirrors, cruise, etc, nothing over the GTD I'm waiting for and it works out +£3k.
GTD is good value and well worth the wait I reckon. I ordered my mk6 in July for a Xmas delivery, it arrive late July, 12 months and still reckoned the wait was worth it. I usually change model each time but can't find a better option. Not sure about the plate GO14GTD though, if I was going to get palate, which I wouldn't, I'd need something better....
Just realised GO14GTD might be read as GOLF GTD, it didn't hit me straight away though. Can think of much better thing to part me with my money.....
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I have been told that I am still on for mine to be built next week. Hope the dealer is not lying. I don't mind waiting but my wife is another matter. If we get delayed again i'll let her loose on them :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I did not know about the 'built within 2 weeks' rule - this is new to me. So now, according to VW, a build confirmed week is actually a build confirmed 2 weeks :rolleyes:
There is no such rule - they make it up as they go along. :laugh:
Seriously this is the best explanation for everything we've been told! :whistle:
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I notice the sponsor on the banner at the bottom of this page says "BMW - Value and Care" hahahahahaha! I guess at least one car firm has been reading this forum then.
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What a surprise, no callback and its gone 4pm :shocked: :rolleyes:
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I notice the sponsor on the banner at the bottom of this page says "BMW - Value and Care" hahahahahaha! I guess at least one car firm has been reading this forum then.
That's due to all of your BMW browsing mate, delete them cookies! :grin:
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Phoned up again - same bullsh1t that MH got - car due to be built this week but that means anytime up to next Friday. So that's BW34 then isn't it, not BW33 you f7cking jokers.
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Lisa from VWCS just called me, and confirmed what someone above said. The confirmed build week could be one of 2 weeks, so in my case (confirmed build Week 33 -this week), and according to the tracker, its not started build yet), or next week !!! WTF
What's the point of a build week if it could be one of two ? Well I guess I just have to hope as its not been built this week when it should have, that it gets done next week. I won't hold my breath though. Seriously, not only is this really starting to pi55 me off, it's sucked every single ounce of enjoyment I might have had in ordering a new car. I'm now in a state of mind that I really don't care if it arrives or not, so am going to look at a few rivals this weekend and try and negotiate a deal or two, then if the car doesn't get built next week, I'm off.
In any case the wife and I have decided that our 10 year love affair and 8 cars with VW is well and truly over, and these will be the last two VW's we will ever own. It's totally disgraceful how customers have been treated and how completey not bothered both the dealerships and VW are.
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This is what I have been told by the salesman at the dealership
'I have personally spoken to VW Customer services following your email, and can confirm that it is not the case.
Your new Golf GTD has been confirmed by the factory and will still be going into production as anticipated.
Hope this banishes your worries.'
I'm not believing this until I get confirmation that its being built.
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I really don't buy this 2 week window crap... How can a large manufacturing company, even one as seemingly incompetent as VW at the moment, do any decent form of production planning with a window of up to 2 weeks per car? Ridiculous.
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This is worse than the mk6. This is the last time I buy a new VW, I'm sorry but if every other car company can deliver on time I don't understand why VW can't. An absolute joke.
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maybe link VWCS into this section. :whistle:
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I really don't buy this 2 week window crap... How can a large manufacturing company, even one as seemingly incompetent as VW at the moment, do any decent form of production planning with a window of up to 2 weeks per car? Ridiculous.
Me neither, they must have just made this "rule" up a few days ago! A while back weren't we told the BW means the car could go into build anything up Sunday evening of that week? So it wasn't 2 weeks back then...
Do they not have meetings at VWCS where they discuss the fact that they have clearly irritated a bunch of GTI orders and therefore conclude things to do to make the customers happier. Because they seem to be choosing the exact opposite... like fewer explanations, more estimates that seem unbelievable, more conflicting messages... why can't they get their story straight and tell us instead of us having to pester them and then not believing what we're told.
Personally I really hope my car is truly BW37 because if I pass on that M135i and then there is suddenly another problem with the GTI I'm going to be so mad. Frankly it seems like another problem or three should be expected judging on the progress so far.
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They really are sh!te. They can get one BW33 car out at pretty much the start of the week and on it's way, but a load of others are untouched on Friday afternoon of the week it's meant to be built. I was sure they didn't work weekends, do we now think that they do?
Trouble is I can't think of any other car i'd rather have right now - maybe a 3 door A3 S-line if I could get a cracking price, but if VW can't get 184PS TDI engines out for teh GTD, why should Audi fare any better, unless they've just taken a huge chunk of the VAG allocation of this engine?
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OK, so if they work a 7 day week that starts on a Monday, and the build week means any time up until Sunday of that week, then it could be the middle of the week after when it leaves the factory. That's fine, and totally believable. What I don't believe are the sheer number of excuses and inconsistencies we have all experienced.
I guess I'm fortunate in that it was planned for week 32 and ended up being toward the back end of it, leaving the factory the Monday of week 33. Had things gone pear-shaped, like monkeyhanger there really isn't any other car in this class that I want right now.
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OK, so if they work a 7 day week that starts on a Monday, and the build week means any time up until Sunday of that week, then it could be the middle of the week after when it leaves the factory. That's fine, and totally believable. What I don't believe are the sheer number of excuses and inconsistencies we have all experienced.
I guess I'm fortunate in that it was planned for week 32 and ended up being toward the back end of it, leaving the factory the Monday of week 33. Had things gone pear-shaped, like monkeyhanger there really isn't any other car in this class that I want right now.
It's much much worse if there IS another car in the class that you want. Trust me on this! :undecided: :cry:
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Just specced up an A3 S-line with the GTD engine for fun - About £2800 more and missing ADC, but gaining those brilliant S-line seats in 1/2 leather - GTI/GTD should've gotten seats like those. I was also offered a lot more p/x for my Scirocco ages ago when I made an Audi enquiry - almost a grand more than the VW dealership i'm ordering from. I will be seriously pissed off if the car doesn't move next week. I go on holiday on 24th Sept for 2 weeks, I really don't want to be away for 2 weeks having literally just picked up my GTD a few days earlier.
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It's much much worse if there IS another car in the class that you want. Trust me on this! :undecided: :cry:
Would they dare unconfirm a confirmed order, or just push you into another week (but officially not move at all)? If I was unconfirmed on a GTD i'd be seriously up a height right now (BW51 :huh:), but that issue seems a purely GTD problem right now, no need for the GTIers to worry (yet).
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I seriously can't believe the stories from delays people are saying.
Sounds like an utter shambles. Has anyone picked up the phone to ring autocar or evo ? They would prob be very interested in this story. Seems they have totally screwed up with either demand planning, component ordering or something.
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Makes me glad i bought used now, sounds like less hassle. Guy picked up my 330 an hour ago (genuine tear in my eye to see that car go) and picking up my 135 coupe in the morning. Makes you wonder if all the waiting is worth it for a new car.. When its badly handled like this.
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Makes you wonder if all the waiting is worth it for a new car.. When its badly handled like this.
That it does.
Regarding Evo... You do it mate, that way they can't cancel any of our orders as retaliation!
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Did anybody else find out they'd got pushed to week 51??
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I've been pushed from BW38 to no unconfirmed BW. I'm expecting 51 :sad:
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Makes you wonder if all the waiting is worth it for a new car.. When its badly handled like this.
That it does.
Regarding Evo... You do it mate, that way they can't cancel any of our orders as retaliation!
You know you're onto something. If a motoring journo had a small column to fill he could fill it with this story.
10 Mins on here reading a few threads would be all he needed to write an extremely negative review of VW customer service. Plus the shock of loyal VW customers cancelling orders on GTI's due to their utter shambles would make for interesting reading.
Surely that would interest at least one hack somewhere?
As Bear said, if it came from Drisser they couldn't do anything malicious towards him "BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY CANCELLED DUE TO THE DEBACLE".
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Will see what I can do tomorrow.
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Ps loving my 135 coupe sorry to admit
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Will see what I can do tomorrow.
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Ps loving my 135 coupe sorry to admit
Fair play and glad to hear it, don' be sorry!
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Makes you wonder if all the waiting is worth it for a new car.. When its badly handled like this.
That it does.
Regarding Evo... You do it mate, that way they can't cancel any of our orders as retaliation!
You know you're onto something. If a motoring journo had a small column to fill he could fill it with this story.
10 Mins on here reading a few threads would be all he needed to write an extremely negative review of VW customer service. Plus the shock of loyal VW customers cancelling orders on GTI's due to their utter shambles would make for interesting reading.
Surely that would interest at least one hack somewhere?
As Bear said, if it came from Drisser they couldn't do anything malicious towards him "BECAUSE HE'S ALREADY CANCELLED DUE TO THE DEBACLE".
If this got out into the main press it would do massive damage to VW's reputation. It almost begs the question as to is there some underhand deals going on?
On 9 Sept I got advised my new GTD would be in the dealership on 18 Oct. 10 days later that date has gone back a further 2 weeks. How on earth can a modern day manufacturing plant be getting its dates so wrong. My current car is on the verge of falling to bits and reading this thread I have visions of finding myself having to start all over again!
current car Audi A4 S-Line 2.0 TDI with 134,000 miles
on order Golf GTD in Tornado Red with leather upholstery and sat nav
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Errrr, I'd be cancelling straight away and heading over to the BMW garage. 120d - quicker and nearly as economical. That is absolutely outrageous!
............ and the 125D engine is a belter as well
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Errrr, I'd be cancelling straight away and heading over to the BMW garage. 120d - quicker and nearly as economical. That is absolutely outrageous!
............ and the 125D engine is a belter as well
I've driven the 125d and it is a fantastic car!
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My gf ordered her 120d M-Sport in mid-August almost a month after I order my Golf GTD.
Her car will be delivered on 30th Sept - a factory order - after 7 weeks...
Mine won't be collected until the first week of December (estimated)... if it is delivered then the process will have taken 13 weeks longer...
This doesn't reflect well on Volkswagen...
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My gf ordered her 120d M-Sport in mid-August almost a month after I order my Golf GTD.
Her car will be delivered on 30th Sept - a factory order - after 7 weeks...
Mine won't be collected until the first week of December (estimated)... if it is delivered then the process will have taken 13 weeks longer...
This doesn't reflect well on Volkswagen...
That's the price of exclusivity and with that exclusivity comes far better residuals - 56% GFV on the GTD and 46% on the 1 series. If VW wanted to churn these out by the bucketload like they do with SE and GT then they would. In their infinite wisdon they have decided not to and eventually you might thank them for that when your £26k GTD is worth £3k more than your 1 series performance Diesel at 3 years old. I do say "might"! :whistle:
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My personal thoughts after looking at all options before settling on the GTD:
I think the 1 series is very common these days and not a looker IMO. I would prefer to wait on something special.
I consider the new A Class and CLS to be the best looking cars on the road, but the engines did not measure up to the GTD. So the GTD had everything for me. Buy I will always look at the A Class and ponder my choice.
But it just proves that everyone has their own idea of good looks.
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That's the price of exclusivity and with that exclusivity comes far better residuals - 56% GFV on the GTD and 46% on the 1 series. If VW wanted to churn these out by the bucketload like they do with SE and GT then they would. In their infinite wisdon they have decided not to and eventually you might thank them for that when your £26k GTD is worth £3k more than your 1 series performance Diesel at 3 years old. I do say "might"! :whistle:
Neither of us really care about residuals (aside from the impact they have on the lease cost - although the lease costs are remarkably close) as both are company cars... the advantage the Golf has is its 109g/km emissions... so my GTD will cost me £135/month in the first year... compared to £157/month for the 120d...
Well, that and it doesn't look like a bulldog chewing a wasp :grin:
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My personal thoughts after looking at all options before settling on the GTD:
I think the 1 series is very common these days and not a looker IMO.
Agreed...
I consider the new A Class and CLS to be the best looking cars on the road
Really? Have you had you eyes tested recently? :evil:
Seriously, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder :grin:
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Front and side the A-class is a Scirocco rip off - the back looks like it was taken from an Auris. I suppose it's a compliment to the Scirocco that so many other car makers are ripping it off. I had an inquisitive look at it last year - Merc build quality and feel isn't what it was. I think they took more tips from Chrysler than Chrysler took from them when they got their heads together.
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I'm sure the 125d residuals will be a lot closer to the GTD than £3k, that's the comparable car really not the 120d.
It is a great car (timing chain issues aside) and I see a lot less of the 123d's on the road than the Mk6 GTD's of which there seem to be hundreds (inc mine)...
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I'm sure the 125d residuals will be a lot closer to the GTD than £3k, that's the comparable car really not the 120d.
45% on the 125D M-sport: worth £12735 (GFV) after 3 years/30k miles vs £28080 RRP. BMW gives you all the finance info on their website in the configurator for any selectable model, unlike Audi who make you contact the dealer for further info.
45% GFV is pretty poor for a premium marque, probably down to people buying 125D for the power rather than the all round package/looks. BMW seem to be trying very hard to draw buyers in on volume, some would say devaluing the brand. VW are going the other way - creating desirability to push into the premium tier.
120D is comparable on power (both 184PS), I suppose on image 125D compares with GTD.
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I'm sure the 125d residuals will be a lot closer to the GTD than £3k, that's the comparable car really not the 120d.
45% on the 125D M-sport: worth £12735 (GFV) after 3 years/30k miles vs £28080 RRP. BMW gives you all the finance info on their website in the configurator for any selectable model, unlike Audi who make you contact the dealer for further info.
45% GFV is pretty poor for a premium marque, probably down to people buying 125D for the power rather than the all round package/looks. BMW seem to be trying very hard to draw buyers in on volume, some would say devaluing the brand. VW are going the other way - creating desirability to push into the premium tier.
120D is comparable on power (both 184PS), I suppose on image 125D compares with GTD.
Per BMW dealers, their GFV are lower in general because they want the customer to have enough deposit for the next purchase.
And if you compare models across the ranges, BMW cars tend to be faster (PS). The 120d is up against the GT no question there, 125d v GTD.
The 125d is faster than the GTD, will return 50mpg per long term test, fair enough looks are subjective. And VW are just s**t at building to order with new cars, it's nothing about exclusivity!!
Just wait till all the company car owners get their hands on the GTD, which will happen, it wont seem anywhere near as exclusive then when Jo Blogs sales rep is hoofing it next to you on the motorway.
Not knocking the GTD at all, I still love my Mk6 and the Mk7 looks ace, but there are other cars out other that are as good as it.
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VW are fine at building cars to order when they want. You can get any other Golf with a 10-12 week wait - the waits we've seen for the GTI/GTD are self imposed by VW. Superior PS and rear wheel drive (for when it's not slippy) is pretty much all the 125D has on the GTD (better ride, refinement - BMW diesels are very rattly, equipment, styling in GTDs favour). People are prepared to wait 5 months for a GTI/GTD (well some of us), can the same be said for the BMW 120/123/125D?
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Ha, Ill pretend I haven't read the hundreds of other posts about VW making a complete hash of the launch of the Mk7 GTI/D and believe in complete ignorance that its cus' they wanted too to "build exclusivity"!
They are a business and want to sell as many cars as possible, end of.
Did you test drive the 125d and make these decisions or is it just from reading online...
The BMW has been out for circa 18 months now so you cant really compare wait times, i'm sure in 18 months time you wont be waiting 5 months for a GTD because they will be everywhere same as the 1 series.
The Seat Leon FR is far better value than the GTD for essentially the same car with a slightly inferior interior but no one likes to make that point!
GTD is a good soot chucker but how you go on makes it sound like VW have revolutionised the industry with it :wink:
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Front and side the A-class is a Scirocco rip off - the back looks like it was taken from an Auris. I suppose it's a compliment to the Scirocco that so many other car makers are ripping it off. I had an inquisitive look at it last year - Merc build quality and feel isn't what it was. I think they took more tips from Chrysler than Chrysler took from them when they got their heads together.
Mercedes A Class was worst car looked at in this class, claustrophobic interior with really weird high doors and letterbox rear view and that media screen, awful
On another note the work car park is starting to fill up with 13 and now 63 plates and quite a few A3 and the more I see them the happier I am at going GTD. Under a month for me now :)
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Ha, Ill pretend I haven't read the hundreds of other posts about VW making a complete hash of the launch of the Mk7 GTI/D and believe in complete ignorance that its cus' they wanted too to "build exclusivity"!
They are a business and want to sell as many cars as possible, end of.
Did you test drive the 125d and make these decisions or is it just from reading online...
The BMW has been out for circa 18 months now so you cant really compare wait times, i'm sure in 18 months time you wont be waiting 5 months for a GTD because they will be everywhere same as the 1 series.
The Seat Leon FR is far better value than the GTD for essentially the same car with a slightly inferior interior but no one likes to make that point!
GTD is a good soot chucker but how you go on makes it sound like VW have revolutionised the industry with it :wink:
My problem with the SEAT is the interior and paying so much less for something I sit in and know is compromised for me would be not much consolation, think the only VAG group one I would go for outside Audi and VW is the Skoda and yes I have seen all in flesh to judge.
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Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.
Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).
My cousin Stu has a 120D M-sport company car and i've had the pleasure to drive it as well as the displeasure of being a back set passenger in it. It drives well, but crap rear space, horrible feeling being a passenger (never been so close to car sick since being a kid), ugly inside and out. He doesn't even like it and drives a TT with his own money. I'm sure the 125D is more of the same with better performance that still won't forgive it's other short comings IMO
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Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.
Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).
Can someone answer me this question? Has BMW resolved the rear wheel drive and adverse weather performance or is that just being ignored when anyone reviews them and focusing just on the obviously good performance it can deliver.
Reason I say this is the company car park in last few winters when snowed has had many a stuck BMW and there is even colleagues who have left cars at home in these conditions and state that would never order one again.
Know it does not snow all the time, but descriptions of 'fun' in wet also is something I really would not personally be seeking.
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Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.
Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).
My cousin Stu has a 120D M-sport company car and i've had the pleasure to drive it as well as the displeasure of being a back set passenger in it. It drives well, but crap rear space, horrible feeling being a passenger (never been so close to car sick since being a kid), ugly inside and out. He doesn't even like it and drives a TT with his own money. I'm sure the 125D is more of the same with better performance that still won't forgive it's other short comings IMO
I actually agree, id take a gtd over any of the 1 series diesels but id try and be objective about it first. Just seems that anything that isnt your car gets knocked straight away with nonsense about GFV which mean nothing in the real world.
I wouldn't go out of my way to defend my m135i and dont for one minute think its the be all and end all.
Yes it is crap in the horrendous wet and snow but a set of winter wheels and tyres sorts that out, which you can sell on afterwards plus saves the really expensive summer tyres.
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its not nonsense at all to be looking at all aspects of ownership including GFV. personally when I'm looking at a car I look at everything, price, options, looks etc etc and future residuals. no point in buying a car that in three years time will be worth jack s4it. it's maybe not important to you rob but to others it is and to say someone is talking nonsense because you think it is is quite frankly rude.
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Just seems that anything that isnt your car gets knocked straight away with nonsense about GFV which mean nothing in the real world.
It's very common on one make car forums, its a phenomenon known as 'Blonkers'
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blonkers
HTH :smiley:
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Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.
Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).
My cousin Stu has a 120D M-sport company car and i've had the pleasure to drive it as well as the displeasure of being a back set passenger in it. It drives well, but crap rear space, horrible feeling being a passenger (never been so close to car sick since being a kid), ugly inside and out. He doesn't even like it and drives a TT with his own money. I'm sure the 125D is more of the same with better performance that still won't forgive it's other short comings IMO
I actually agree, id take a gtd over any of the 1 series diesels but id try and be objective about it first. Just seems that anything that isnt your car gets knocked straight away with nonsense about GFV which mean nothing in the real world.
I wouldn't go out of my way to defend my m135i and dont for one minute think its the be all and end all.
Yes it is crap in the horrendous wet and snow but a set of winter wheels and tyres sorts that out, which you can sell on afterwards plus saves the really expensive summer tyres.
I feel I am very objective and made the effort to both look at and research all the marquee brands on offer to me and all comments on other cars are borne from that and also remember we are usually talking fine divides as in reality all of us would be pretty happy with any of these cars if were only option and live with the perceived shortcomings as I have done my self with the S Line suspension, I still love the car but at times I do cuss it :smiley:
If I was not being objective and listened to those in office who have said "you dropping to a VW?" then I would still be in an Audi, but genuinely think from all the research and showroom leg work that the MK7 is the best car out there at my price.
With regards BMW then I have been in a few colleagues and have seen their winter difficulties and mentions of 'fun' in the wet and package all that up and despite still obviously being a marguee car then just not for me.
Lease drivers are the most unlikely to invest in winter tyres and despite it making a huge amount of sense it is also not really a British Culture to buy store and swap them each winter, imagine 99% will just jump in same car with same tyres all year round.
That is not to say the Golf will not have own issues in winter, my Quattro just gets me moving so never stuck but I still have to be uber careful due to not changing to winter tyres.
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Residuals are important because on a new car depreciation is by far the highest cost of ownership for the average miler, dwarfing fuel cost differences. I don't think of buying a car like buying a TV. I feel like i'm borrowing it for 3 years and ask myself how much it will cost to borrow it, because no one keeps a car for 12 years these days to run it into the ground.
I wouldn't consider a car I wouldn't be happy driving, just because it has excellent residuals, but it is a consideration I would put a lot of thought into when considering my shortlist. Better cars usually have better residuals so you're not in the position where you would put yourself into a crap car because it holds its value well.
I think about absolutely everything when i'm going to spend £26k on a car. The car itself - how does it drive/look? How well equipped is it at standard spec? Whta extras would I consider essential and how much are they going to cost me? Is the insurance going to be daft? Will it cause me to wince at the pumps due to it's thirst for fuel? For me the GTD was the best overall package, cheap to run comparative to it's RRP, drives well, very well equipped as standard (I felt no need to tick the options box). Couldn't want much more than that out of a car. A3 was up there for similar reasons but fell short on standard equipment, no availability of the 184TDI engine at time of ordering the GTD and slightly superior interior quality/look (S-line) in the A3 didn't tip the balance in it's favour.
Runflat tyres are my biggest bugbear on BMWs. They spend so much time and effort trying to get 50:50 weight distribution etc for their handling and then go and put Fred Flintstone tyres on and ruin ride comfort - why do they do that? No-one likes them, they ride horribly and are disproportionately expensive. If you must do away with the spare then surely self sealers are the way to go.
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Residuals are important because on a new car depreciation is by far the highest cost of ownership for the average miler, dwarfing fuel cost differences. I don't think of buying a car like buying a TV. I feel like i'm borrowing it for 3 years and ask myself how much it will cost to borrow it, because no one keeps a car for 12 years these days to run it into the ground.
I wouldn't consider a car I wouldn't be happy driving, just because it has excellent residuals, but it is a consideration I would put a lot of thought into when considering my shortlist. Better cars usually have better residuals so you're not in the position where you would put yourself into a crap car because it holds its value well.
I think about absolutely everything when i'm going to spend £26k on a car. The car itself - how does it drive/look? How well equipped is it at standard spec? Whta extras would I consider essential and how much are they going to cost me? Is the insurance going to be daft? Will it cause me to wince at the pumps due to it's thirst for fuel? For me the GTD was the best overall package, cheap to run comparative to it's RRP, drives well, very well equipped as standard (I felt no need to tick the options box). Couldn't want much more than that out of a car. A3 was up there for similar reasons but fell short on standard equipment, no availability of the 184TDI engine at time of ordering the GTD and slightly superior interior quality/look (S-line) in the A3 didn't tip the balance in it's favour.
Runflat tyres are my biggest bugbear on BMWs. They spend so much time and effort trying to get 50:50 weight distribution etc for their handling and then go and put Fred Flintstone tyres on and ruin ride comfort - why do they do that? No-one likes them, they ride horribly and are disproportionately expensive. If you must do away with the spare then surely self sealers are the way to go.
I couldn't agree with you more MH, GFV is a huge factor in my considerations, I work hard(ish) for my money and want to be sure that if I am throwing it down the toilet on depreciation I am getting something special.
Also Red GTD 5dr is the way to go :smiley:
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Can someone answer me this question? Has BMW resolved the rear wheel drive and adverse weather performance or is that just being ignored when anyone reviews them and focusing just on the obviously good performance it can deliver.
Reason I say this is the company car park in last few winters when snowed has had many a stuck BMW and there is even colleagues who have left cars at home in these conditions and state that would never order one again.
Know it does not snow all the time, but descriptions of 'fun' in wet also is something I really would not personally be seeking.
I never had this problem with my 58-plate 123d with the e-diff even in some appalling weather on the standard 3rd Gen run flats... it could be quite fun in slippery conditions; however, the gf's 56-plate 320d (no e-diff) was pathetic...
So of the much documented (and imo) exaggerated issue with BMWs in poor weather I suspect much is down to poor driving, and the rest down to the lack of e-diff - things like tyres being equal...
As for the runflats, the early cars were poor. After the facelift for the 1-Series, the spring and damper rates were adjusted (in fact M-Sports gained much better dampers) and the next generation of run-flats appeared at about the same time.
The ride in my 123d (I chose 17" wheels for the better ride with no real loss in the handling/grip stakes) was acceptable...
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With regards to GFV, what I mean is that its only relevant if you keep the car for the full term, which I never do. Also it doesn't reflect what the car is actually worth, just the minimum you could get for it. Normally you will get more selling privately??? Fair enough its nice to know that you have that in the bank but in reality there are loads of different factors to consider when selling the car so it doesn't mean all that much.
My GTD isn't great at all in the snow either...
All I'm saying is try to be objective chaps, yes this is a Golf forum, yes the GTi/D is great, so are other cars.
And if I see any GTI/D's on the road I will wave to you all from far far far infront :wink:
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With regards to GFV, what I mean is that its only relevant if you keep the car for the full term, which I never do. Also it doesn't reflect what the car is actually worth, just the minimum you could get for it. Normally you will get more selling privately??? Fair enough its nice to know that you have that in the bank but in reality there are loads of different factors to consider when selling the car so it doesn't mean all that much.
My GTD isn't great at all in the snow either...
All I'm saying is try to be objective chaps, yes this is a Golf forum, yes the GTi/D is great, so are other cars.
And if I see any GTI/D's on the road I will wave to you all from far far far infront :wink:
And when we pass you every 100 miles we will wave to you when you've stopped to fill up - again :wink: :wink:
Oh, In our far nicer cabins with our nice tyres that haven't been shredded after a few thousand miles :smiley:
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Both my mk 5 & 6 GTI's were utter sh1te in the snow/ice and I don't expect the 7 to be any different! So concerns over the 1 series being all over the shop in those conditions are redundant because I wouldn't take either type of car out in that weather! Also, on my M135i test drive it was hammering it down and I was nailing it and I didn't feel even a wobble - car was as planted as any other car. I think if you're sensible in severe driving conditions then three isn't an issue.
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Currently averaging 33mpg after 3000 miles so I don't think there is that much difference tbh!
Am not biting on that one :wink:
But the BMW leather seats are better by some way and tyres are fine unless you drive like a complete moron.
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GFV is based on real value - it's proportionately low as it is a cautious measure of worth but there's no way a 45% GFV is going to equate to 60% real 3 year value.The manufacturers get closer to reality so they can get the monthly payments down on PCP as much as they can to lure the customers in. I'd probably expect 51% p/x on a car with GFV of 46%. I'd also expect a realistic 61% on one with GFV of 56%. With figures like that in mind , the 120d/123d/125d is going to cost me £3k more to run in depreciation. There are cars out there i'd forgo that money to get over the GTD (maybe next gen Audi TT). I wouldn't rather have the BMW on an even standing with the GTD, let alone £3k more.
I do consider more than the GTD, but buying new it seems by far the best value of it's peers all things considered. It's good value new, but poor value as a second hand car - I don't want to be paying 75-80% of RRP for a 3 year old car. With that small differential i'd always buy new. If I had only £15k to spend i'd consider the 3 year old BMW option, but i'd be more likely to pick the Alfa Giulietta for probably 50% RRP on the forecourt and still have the reassurance of 2 years warranty left of the 5 year warranty.
When it comes to my money, I like to spend it wisely and put a lot of consideration into a £26k purchase.
I'll wave at you in my rear view mirror in the snow, but the other 98% of the time, you've got me! :tongue:
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GFV is based on real value - it's proportionately low as it is a cautious measure of worth but there's no way a 45% GFV is going to equate to 60% real 3 year value.The manufacturers get closer to reality so they can get the monthly payments down on PCP as much as they can to lure the customers in. I'd probably expect 51% p/x on a car with GFV of 46%. I'd also expect a realistic 61% on one with GFV of 56%. With figures like that in mind , the 120d/123d/125d is going to cost me £3k more to run in depreciation. There are cars out there i'd forgo that money to get over the GTD (maybe next gen Audi TT). I wouldn't rather have the BMW on an even standing with the GTD, let alone £3k more.
I do consider more than the GTD, but buying new it seems by far the best value of it's peers all things considered. It's good value new, but poor value as a second hand car - I don't want to be paying 75-80% of RRP for a 3 year old car. With that small differential i'd always buy new. If I had only £15k to spend i'd consider the 3 year old BMW option, but i'd be more likely to pick the Alfa Giulietta for probably 50% RRP on the forecourt and still have the reassurance of 2 years warranty left of the 5 year warranty.
When it comes to my money, I like to spend it wisely and put a lot of consideration into a £26k purchase.
I'll wave at you in my rear view mirror in the snow, but the other 98% of the time, you've got me! :tongue:
There's that many variables over 3/4 years that to me it doesn't mean that much, but everyone thinks differently!
And not with my winter tyres you wont :laugh:
But I will have refuelled about 4 times before you!
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But I will have refuelled about 4 times before you!
You'll certainly have more shell smart points than me! :whistle:
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Probably more points of another kind as well that aren't as welcome!
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Currently averaging 33mpg after 3000 miles so I don't think there is that much difference tbh!
Am not biting on that one :wink:
But the BMW leather seats are better by some way and tyres are fine unless you drive like a complete moron.
not anti brand at all made a point of being open minded this time around and choose the best car within limits and the long process ended with a MK7 but the thing that ended BMW being an option was seeing BMW being stuck completely on slopes in company car parks and colleagues being unable to get them out of their roads and as these all lease no more than 3 years old.
Understand that MK7 or any car is not going to be brilliant in snow, my quattro gives me no more than some additional ability to keep moving.
Think what gets lost here at times in comments is the fine divides in when stating opinions and that we would be happy with all these cars in reality but you can only have one so you have to point to small differences that swayed you.
the 1.35i was out of my range but would I have been tempted? Absolutely it is a great car and the reasons I used for not choosing a BMW in my price range would have gone out of the window.
Loved seeing everyone getting their cars, including Bills BMW and has pushed aside my mid wait apathy to eager anticipation again -
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Mine was due in stock early October, that has been put back by 3 weeks due to parts shortage (not ordered camera) - Ordered mid May.
Only information have so cannot give any further details though I personally expect that to be delayed some more as that is the track record
This is company lease so not overly bothered as happy to keep driving my present around but just another example of how poor VW have been in getting these out to customers.
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Rob: I just find it the most complete package. If it had 125D performance then it'd be even better, i'd potentially pay a grand more for another 40PS and maybe the other PP stuff. I really do think that outright performance apart,the Golf is a better car than the 1 series.
Really not keen on Leon styling inside or out and their lower RRP but lower residuals make those initial savings a false economy anyway - if you care about such things (as I do).
Can someone answer me this question? Has BMW resolved the rear wheel drive and adverse weather performance or is that just being ignored when anyone reviews them and focusing just on the obviously good performance it can deliver.
Reason I say this is the company car park in last few winters when snowed has had many a stuck BMW and there is even colleagues who have left cars at home in these conditions and state that would never order one again.
Know it does not snow all the time, but descriptions of 'fun' in wet also is something I really would not personally be seeking.
In those conditions RWD needs winter tyres. Most cars would benefit from a decent set of winter tyres in adverse winter conditions.
FWD has an advantage in these conditions because the weight of the engine sits over the drive wheels aiding traction.
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Ha, Ill pretend I haven't read the hundreds of other posts about VW making a complete hash of the launch of the Mk7 GTI/D and believe in complete ignorance that its cus' they wanted too to "build exclusivity"!
They are a business and want to sell as many cars as possible, end of.
Did you test drive the 125d and make these decisions or is it just from reading online...
The BMW has been out for circa 18 months now so you cant really compare wait times, i'm sure in 18 months time you wont be waiting 5 months for a GTD because they will be everywhere same as the 1 series.
The Seat Leon FR is far better value than the GTD for essentially the same car with a slightly inferior interior but no one likes to make that point!
GTD is a good soot chucker but how you go on makes it sound like VW have revolutionised the industry with it :wink:
My problem with the SEAT is the interior and paying so much less for something I sit in and know is compromised for me would be not much consolation, think the only VAG group one I would go for outside Audi and VW is the Skoda and yes I have seen all in flesh to judge.
I prefer Skoda as well but then I didn't like the last generation Seat either.
The Leon looked the same as an Altea...
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Mine was due in stock early October, that has been put back by 3 weeks due to parts shortage (not ordered camera) - Ordered mid May.
Only information have so cannot give any further details though I personally expect that to be delayed some more as that is the track record
This is company lease so not overly bothered as happy to keep driving my present around but just another example of how poor VW have been in getting these out to customers.
A dealer mentioned last week that there is a recent supply issue affecting some existing unbuilt orders with nav systems. They were contacting customers to give them the bad news.
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Mine was due in stock early October, that has been put back by 3 weeks due to parts shortage (not ordered camera) - Ordered mid May.
Only information have so cannot give any further details though I personally expect that to be delayed some more as that is the track record
This is company lease so not overly bothered as happy to keep driving my present around but just another example of how poor VW have been in getting these out to customers.
A dealer mentioned last week that there is a recent supply issue affecting some existing unbuilt orders with nav systems. They were contacting customers to give them the bad news.
Thanks for this as nice to know the culprit
Could maybe understand it for the DCC or something else that is more of a select option where they maybe misjudged the the uptake but the basic sat nav, though an option still, is as close to a standard fit as can get.
In fact is it just not the standard media unit with the sat nav enabled? or could it be the sat nav ariel and not the unit?
Any way you spin it though not something you would expect to cause a parts delay.
Admit to have gone way past the stage of caring and it will arrive when it arrives and sure be very happy with it once it does.
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Mine was due in stock early October, that has been put back by 3 weeks due to parts shortage (not ordered camera) - Ordered mid May.
Only information have so cannot give any further details though I personally expect that to be delayed some more as that is the track record
This is company lease so not overly bothered as happy to keep driving my present around but just another example of how poor VW have been in getting these out to customers.
A dealer mentioned last week that there is a recent supply issue affecting some existing unbuilt orders with nav systems. They were contacting customers to give them the bad news.
Geez. Is there an option left that they haven't had supply issues with?