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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Guy on 16 November 2011, 08:50
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here's the story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15744352 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15744352)
discuss (play nice) :smiley:
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Smoking in cars is a hazzard as you're not fully concentrating on driving.
Also its a hazard when they throw thier burning embers into on coming traffic.
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On long journeys smoking helps me concentrate, especially on motorways.
If passengers don't want to breath second hand smoke, don't get in a smokers car in the first place.
Simples.
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On long journeys smoking helps me concentrate, especially on motorways.
If passengers don't want to breath second hand smoke, don't get in a smokers car in the first place.
Simples.
some children don't have that choice... so not so simples.
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Smoking in cars is a hazzard as you're not fully concentrating on driving.
So does f**king around with the radio, cruise control, sat nav etc.
They can ban it but it won't stop me smoking in my car.
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so basically a law needs to be made for the window lickers that can't see its wrong to smoke with kids in the car, cheers idiots. :rolleyes:
you can't ban it as a distraction as that chain of thought will end up with the car as we know it being banned
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Cant help but thinking its another way to rinse more money out of the motorist..
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On long journeys smoking helps me concentrate, especially on motorways.
If passengers don't want to breath second hand smoke, don't get in a smokers car in the first place.
Simples.
some children don't have that choice... so not so simples.
True, I was talking from my own perspective though.
With kids in the car, it's wrong and stupid (I can't stand seeing people smoking in cars with kids in the back seat) But I don't think it should be banned.
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Cant help but thinking its another way to rinse more money out of the motorist..
the motorist is an easy target
why not concentrate on the people fleecing benefits, immigration and the banks who got bailed out but still pocketed millions in profit
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How can then say 'hang on Sir, you can't smoke in your own car!' I'm a non smoker and HATE it. Would love to see it banned to be honest. That's insane to tell people not to smoke in their own car. No one is allowed to smoke in my car, but if i'm in a smokers car i just open the window...
To young for kids, but would never let anyone smoke around them.
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What a lot of people don’t realise is it’s now illegal to smoke in a company vehicle because it’s classed as a place of work (even if its Joe blogs the plumbers van).Don’t quote me but I think company vehicles should also have a no smoking sticker on one of the windows. :undecided:
For what its worth i dont think they should ban it, not because i think filling your childs lungs with smoke is ok because i think the nanny state has gone too far already. :lipsrsealed:
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that's fair enough. it's someone else's vehicle and is probably shared, but in your private vehicle?
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People smoke around kids far more in houses so they'll try and ban that next!
nick
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so basically a law needs to be made for the window lickers that can't see its wrong to smoke with kids in the car, cheers idiots. :rolleyes:
you can't ban it as a distraction as that chain of thought will end up with the car as we know it being banned
100% agree. They'll try to ban smoking in your own home soon! I smoke, but I would never do it in the car with the young un' there, and I don't smoke in my house anyway. It winds me up that people smoke in an environment where there are children present, and I think that sort of thing needs to be stamped out. But you cannot stop people smoking in their car or home, its their inherent right to freedom within the confines of their own property. Stupid argument, bought up by small minded people!
These are the same people that believe more people are turning to smoking rolling tobacco because its not as poisonous! Even the most stupid people dont think that (my inlaws are just that!), the fact that its so expensive buying cigarettes nowadays, and that rolling tobacco cost half the price doesn't even cross these self riteous idiots minds! :angry:
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I voted yes. purely because im trying to quit and the main times when i crave are when i drink and when i drive (not combined) so if i cant amoke in a car and im giving up drinking after new year i will find it alot easier to quit.
however in reality i think it would just be a waste of money.
agree with the smoking with non smokers comments. i never smoke in my car if theres a non smoker in it.
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I smoke and when we go on long family trips I have to pull over for stops anyways then I have a fag.
I never smoke with the kids in the car and I feel bad that I smell of smoke getting back into the car, but you take my liberties away and you will see more road rage and tempers flare on our roads for sure.
I like to smoke its my right when I'm alone in the car! I do some of the best thinking on a long drive with a fag in tow!
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
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Ban it, only because of the select dirty barstewards chucking butt ends out of the window. Disgusts me!
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so basically a law needs to be made for the window lickers that can't see its wrong to smoke with kids in the car, cheers idiots. :rolleyes:
you can't ban it as a distraction as that chain of thought will end up with the car as we know it being banned
This sums it up quite nicely.
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Ban it, only because of the select dirty barstewards chucking butt ends out of the window. Disgusts me!
As opposed to about 90% of people that smoke outside throwing their fag ends on the floor anyway :rolleyes:
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Don’t quote me but I think company vehicles should also have a no smoking sticker on one of the windows. :undecided:
Correct.
And ban old people from driving, they are dangerous.
The list can go on.........................................................
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Ban it, only because of the select dirty barstewards chucking butt ends out of the window. Disgusts me!
As opposed to about 90% of people that smoke outside throwing their fag ends on the floor anyway :rolleyes:
That also disgusts me. Litter patrol should cover that.
Can you guess I am a non smoker!!! :grin:
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
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Ban it, only because of the select dirty barstewards chucking butt ends out of the window. Disgusts me!
As opposed to about 90% of people that smoke outside throwing their fag ends on the floor anyway :rolleyes:
As opposed?
Opposed? It's the same thing, still littering.
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Lets face it we all know the health implications of smoking, and doing it front of your kids is plain stupid.
I also hate butts every where flicked out of windows and lining the gutters and pavements.
But if you are going down that route the hypocrasy must stop, we should ban drinking as its bad for you, we should ban driving as it is bad for anybody near your exhuast pipe including yourself, we should ban spitting, we should ban fatty foods, we should ban salt, we should ban guns, loud music etc etc etc.
I am afraid that this is just a stealth tax hidden by righteous smoking Nazi's so that for those who choose to continue to smoke can be forced to pay out more.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, oh no Caffine is bad for you quick ban it.
As always the finger pointing brigade think their sh!t dont stink
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Perhaps banning it is a blunt instrument to make sure that children are not exposed to cigarette smoke in cars? It's my understanding that where a ban has been enforced elsewhere in the world to prevent smokers lighting up in cars with children in, the difficulty has been with police identifying how old a child is (or in fact if any child is present tucked up in a baby seat), from a distance as a car goes past at speed. The easy way out of this is to say ban it all together.
This doesn't mean the next step is to ban smoking in the home, as children generally have a choice as to whether they stay in a smoky room or leave, whereas that choice is not really an option in a confined space on a long car journey. Whether you agree with it or not, I think that's the core of the argument as put forward by the BMA. I'm currently working on a respiratory ward where 75% of the patients have smoking-related diseases, and I'd say anything to limit children's exposure to cigarette smoke is a good thing, particularly if it helps prevent them taking up the habit in the first place.
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Also, you can't eat in a car whilst driving or anything other than what's related to driving isn't allowed (driving related = controls or equipment that came with the car), so why would smokers be exempt?
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Feck it.... Ban banning! :evil:
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Lets face it we all know the health implications of smoking, and doing it front of your kids is plain stupid.
I also hate butts every where flicked out of windows and lining the gutters and pavements.
But if you are going down that route the hypocrasy must stop, we should ban drinking as its bad for you, we should ban driving as it is bad for anybody near your exhuast pipe including yourself, we should ban spitting, we should ban fatty foods, we should ban salt, we should ban guns, loud music etc etc etc.
I am afraid that this is just a stealth tax hidden by righteous smoking Nazi's so that for those who choose to continue to smoke can be forced to pay out more.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, oh no Caffine is bad for you quick ban it.
As always the finger pointing brigade think their sh!t dont stink
You're missing the point. They mean in the car, not outside of the car. They're not trying to ban it outside of the cars.
Also, another point you're missing is that the smoke affects others around. Drink, food etc won't get into the system of others, unless they're eating/drinking it themselves.
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
But as soon as it rains they'll get cleared away, it's not like chucking a McDonalds bag out of the window.
And unless the motorist behind is right up the smokers arse I can't see how it'll be a problem (unless of course that motorist is a motorcyclist)
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
But as soon as it rains they'll get cleared away, it's not like chucking a McDonalds bag out of the window.
And unless the motorist behind is right up the smokers arse I can't see how it'll be a problem (unless of course that motorist is a motorcyclist)
I disagree, it's still littering.
And you're also wrong about it only affecting someone who's 'up someone's arse'.
If an object gets thrown, the vehicle behind is in a forward motion, the object isn't, so you will drive into it.
Also on a multilane roundabout junction, I've had a twit throw one out of their window only to come into my car, as we were almost side by side, but staggered. No 'up the arse' spacing is needed for it to be a problem.
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Be interesting to see the figures on deaths by passive smoking/getting cancer. And those of child deaths/serious long term health problems from car accidents. Then compare these with child deaths from drowning in pool and death/serious injury from playground accidents. I listened to the BMA spokeswoman on the Today programme and it appears that the study looked at carsonogens etc..from smoking in a car with all the windows closed and the aircon off.
Now. How many people smoke without opening their window?
I am neither for or against but am merely testing the logic of the argument.
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They're talking about smoking and it being in a car, so other causes of death have no relevance. Other things are not what they're talking about.
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
But as soon as it rains they'll get cleared away, it's not like chucking a McDonalds bag out of the window.
And unless the motorist behind is right up the smokers arse I can't see how it'll be a problem (unless of course that motorist is a motorcyclist)
I disagree, it's still littering.
And you're also wrong about it only affecting someone who's 'up someone's arse'.
If an object gets thrown, the vehicle behind is in a forward motion, the object isn't, so you will drive into it.
Also on a multilane roundabout junction, I've had a twit throw one out of their window only to come into my car, as we were almost side by side, but staggered. No 'up the arse' spacing is needed for it to be a problem.
I agree that it's littering, but many people litter, as I said it's not as bad as people throwing a McDonalds bag out of the window.
Everyone has their vices, mines smoking, yours is wanking over pictures of girls you don't know on the internet. Each to their own.
TBH I'll only smoke when I know I'm in a straight line and don't have much turning to do etc and most of the time I'll throw my fag out of the window.
I smoke roll ups so they'll extinguish as soon as they're out of the window pretty much, and can actually bio degrade as opposed to straights.
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Not missing the point dude, I fully understand the reasons for banning it in cars with kids in the back and company vehicles so that people are not forced to inhale toxins against there will or through ingnorance.
We live in a culture where certain habits or behaviours are targeted for what they cause and taxed to "pay" for the pleasure of carrying on.
By eating fatty food or drinking in front of your kids you are affirming that this behaviour is ok and normal.
By feeding them fatty food or giving them Alcohol you are just as guilty of harming their health as you are if you smoke in the car with them.
As said most people are just a little hypocritical when it comes to pointing fingers.
If we were to really look at health issues and take measures which would improve the health of the world We would not have cars Xbox's or tissue to wipe our arses.
To use a pun this is a smoke screen with little benefit to us other than to fill the coffers of central governments. :smiley:
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Be interesting to see the figures on deaths by passive smoking/getting cancer. And those of child deaths/serious long term health problems from car accidents. Then compare these with child deaths from drowning in pool and death/serious injury from playground accidents. I listened to the BMA spokeswoman on the Today programme and it appears that the study looked at carsonogens etc..from smoking in a car with all the windows closed and the aircon off.
Now. How many people smoke without opening their window?
I am neither for or against but am merely testing the logic of the argument.
The woman I saw on telly spouting her rhetoric was overweight with little chub mongers waiting to drain the NHS in a few years time.......Ban her :evil:
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
But as soon as it rains they'll get cleared away, it's not like chucking a McDonalds bag out of the window.
And unless the motorist behind is right up the smokers arse I can't see how it'll be a problem (unless of course that motorist is a motorcyclist)
I disagree, it's still littering.
And you're also wrong about it only affecting someone who's 'up someone's arse'.
If an object gets thrown, the vehicle behind is in a forward motion, the object isn't, so you will drive into it.
Also on a multilane roundabout junction, I've had a twit throw one out of their window only to come into my car, as we were almost side by side, but staggered. No 'up the arse' spacing is needed for it to be a problem.
I agree that it's littering, but many people litter, as I said it's not as bad as people throwing a McDonalds bag out of the window.
Everyone has their vices, mines smoking, yours is wanking over pictures of girls you don't know on the internet. Each to their own.
TBH I'll only smoke when I know I'm in a straight line and don't have much turning to do etc and most of the time I'll throw my fag out of the window.
I smoke roll ups so they'll extinguish as soon as they're out of the window pretty much, and can actually bio degrade as opposed to straights.
That's only one of mine.
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Hold on, it's only a group of doctors. The Government aren't even talking about it. Why are you lot getting wound up?! :grin:
The point some are making is that IF it did get passed as law (see above, not even being contemplated by the Gov.), then it's stupid and one step closer to Nineteen Eighty-Four, which we're already heading for imo. You can't help people being stupid. I used to smoke whilst driving to/from work and the only distracting part was lighting the ciggie and as with doing anything whilst driving be it changing the radio station, CD, Satnav etc do it at a sensible moment when there is the least risk involved in doing it, I never smoked with the kids in the car either before anyone asks.
Common sense, use it people. If you don't have it, you'll soon get a Darwin Award.
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
But as soon as it rains they'll get cleared away, it's not like chucking a McDonalds bag out of the window.
And unless the motorist behind is right up the smokers arse I can't see how it'll be a problem (unless of course that motorist is a motorcyclist)
cigarette butts take 18 months to 500 years to biodegrade - and within one hour of getting wet leaches all the chemicals that it was designed to filter out back into the ecosystem
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/24/bananas-litter-hikers-mountains-scotland (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/24/bananas-litter-hikers-mountains-scotland)
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No. If they are seeking a ban on health grounds because it does harm then the argument follows as to how much harm. It also follows that if it is shown that other actions/activities cause more/greater harm, why not ban them. If you don't, then the argument is nonsensical.
More kids die from drowning in a neighbours pool than do by playing with a neigbours gun. But emotionally people think the pool is safer and want guns banned. The figures show otherwise. But unfortunately an emotional argument is easier to put than a logical one.
If your a government looking to ban things because they do harm. Then logic says you ban the thing that does the most harm to the most people and then work your way down the list. I argue that death/long term harm from passive smoking, or indeed smoking itself, is not top of the list.
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Funny soon as NHS have to deal with more smoking related cases, drinking aswell its suddenly really bad for us!(TAXES vs Expenditure) Come on we know exactly what we do! We are human non? Is a smoker worst than a gambler? Lets ban the Lotto last time I knew it was still gambling, hell over a ten year period I reckon you could have spunked over £500 if not more.
If no littering occured on the motoway at all, a work force of about 20,000 would be unemployed instantly!
What comes around goes around. "We do the crime we do the time" I don't need another politcian telling me what I can and cannot do, then spend another 10 million trying to implement the law!
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it winds me up when I'm driving behind someone and I see their fag end fly out the window :angry:
I'd ban it just to stop that
Why?
The only problem I can think of would be for motorcyclists behind.
It's littering and it's always a problem for motorists behind.
But as soon as it rains they'll get cleared away, it's not like chucking a McDonalds bag out of the window.
And unless the motorist behind is right up the smokers arse I can't see how it'll be a problem (unless of course that motorist is a motorcyclist)
cigarette butts take 18 months to 500 years to biodegrade - and within one hour of getting wet leaches all the chemicals that it was designed to filter out back into the ecosystem
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/24/bananas-litter-hikers-mountains-scotland (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/24/bananas-litter-hikers-mountains-scotland)
Then the law should be put against the tobacco companies wait....... they pay the government wages :kiss:
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They tried to ban the bomb a few years back, this would be a good starting place before smoking and save us enough to probabaly cure Cancer + Aids, Might also save a few kids......
Im down with Bill hicks on this one I am afraid
(I am an ex smoker too (apart from occasional lapse when pissed)
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In addition to the good points made about about food. If the rationale of the argument is that the child has no choice about smoking in a car, how old is a child when it has a choice about what it eats at home.
High salt and fat, little or no fruit and veg. Child then develops obesity or diabetes, blocked arteries etc..then relies on the NHS for the rest of their short life.
Yet I aint seen anyone recommending a ban on Jeremy Kyle fodder.
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Ban it, only because of the select dirty barstewards chucking butt ends out of the window. Disgusts me!
As opposed to about 90% of people that smoke outside throwing their fag ends on the floor anyway :rolleyes:
As opposed?
Opposed? It's the same thing, still littering.
You dont say. So lets stop people from smoking outside, because lets face it more people throw their fag ends on the floor that out of the window. Hardly the reason to stop people from smoking in their cars is it?
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The ban would be ridiculous. Adults can decide wether to smoke in their own car/get in a smokers car.
As for smoking around children. If the parents are not educated enough to make the decision not to smoke while their children in their car then thats their own fault.
As discussed their are far more other things that could do with the governments attention
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The ban would be ridiculous. Adults can decide wether to smoke in their own car/get in a smokers car.
As for smoking around children. If the parents are not educated enough to make the decision not to smoke while their children in their car then thats their own fault.
As discussed their are far more other things that could do with the governments attention
EXACTLY!! :cool:
You have a few fools do something stupid and everyone has to suffer. Speed bumps are a perfect example of this!
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Interesting points on this. Anyway, to police would be impossible. I see staff smoking in their trucks everyday and doubt nothing gets done about it.
End of the day, your car, your choice.
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The ban would be ridiculous. Adults can decide wether to smoke in their own car/get in a smokers car.
As for smoking around children. If the parents are not educated enough to make the decision not to smoke while their children in their car then thats their own fault.
As discussed their are far more other things that could do with the governments attention
EXACTLY!! :cool:
You have a few fools do something stupid and everyone has to suffer. Speed bumps are a perfect example of this!
Correct it is the parents fault not the children on the back seat. :wink:
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It's not even the government talking about it and they have no plans to :grin:
/thread.
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A group of doctors that most likely drink loads of alcohol and smoke 70 fags a day whilst visiting brothels for 'meetings' decide these stupid proposals!
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interesting though... its prompted a lot of debate
good PR?
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Well someone's got to take one for the team and use said products to get an insight into the minds behind those that do use them.... :grin:
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Where's Roy Castle when you need him?
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A group of doctors that most likely drink loads of alcohol and smoke 70 fags a day whilst visiting brothels for 'meetings' decide these stupid proposals!
The only thing 'stupid' about these proposals is that if somehow everyone stopped smoking tomorrow, 50% of doctors would be picking up their P45s within a decade, as half the punters would stop coming through the doors with heart disease/malignancies/COPD/diabetic complications/peripheral vascular disease/etc!
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A group of doctors that most likely drink loads of alcohol and smoke 70 fags a day whilst visiting brothels for 'meetings' decide these stupid proposals!
The only thing 'stupid' about these proposals is that if somehow everyone stopped smoking tomorrow, 50% of doctors would be picking up their P45s within a decade, as half the punters would stop coming through the doors with heart disease/malignancies/COPD/diabetic complications/peripheral vascular disease/etc!
Drug and Alcohol related issues will keep them busy, not to mention the flood of immigrants here.
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A group of doctors that most likely drink loads of alcohol and smoke 70 fags a day whilst visiting brothels for 'meetings' decide these stupid proposals!
The only thing 'stupid' about these proposals is that if somehow everyone stopped smoking tomorrow, 50% of doctors would be picking up their P45s within a decade, as half the punters would stop coming through the doors with heart disease/malignancies/COPD/diabetic complications/peripheral vascular disease/etc!
Drug and Alcohol related issues will keep them busy, not to mention the flood of immigrants here.
Alcohol will keep the gastroenterologists busy until retirement. You're wrong about everything else.
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It's not even the government talking about it and they have no plans to :grin:
/thread.
I am not so sure.. I wouldnt be surprised if this was initiated by the gov to get an idea of the publics thoughts. Make some one else look stuid for a change :lipsrsealed:
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interesting though... its prompted a lot of debate
good PR?
Thats a good thing. These dregs of society that frequent the Jeremy Kyle show may (although I doubt it) actually think (may hurt as well) about the consequences of passive smoking with regard to their 12 kids that go around throwing bricks through innocent pensioners windows etc. The people that smoke in their houses and cars with their kids present couldnt really give a toss though IMO. Those fags are more often than not being paid by said government that would impose the ban.
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A group of doctors that most likely drink loads of alcohol and smoke 70 fags a day whilst visiting brothels for 'meetings' decide these stupid proposals!
The only thing 'stupid' about these proposals is that if somehow everyone stopped smoking tomorrow, 50% of doctors would be picking up their P45s within a decade, as half the punters would stop coming through the doors with heart disease/malignancies/COPD/diabetic complications/peripheral vascular disease/etc!
Drug and Alcohol related issues will keep them busy, not to mention the flood of immigrants here.
Alcohol will keep the gastroenterologists busy until retirement. You're wrong about everything else.
I am guessing you work in healthcare at some level. I am not qualified to argue if that's the case so I will have to accept I am wrong. However, smoking will always be so it's an invalid argument.
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It's not even the government talking about it and they have no plans to :grin:
/thread.
I am not so sure.. I wouldnt be surprised if this was initiated by the gov to get an idea of the publics thoughts. Make some one else look stuid for a change :lipsrsealed:
Too clever a move for the government to pull off :grin:
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It's not even the government talking about it and they have no plans to :grin:
/thread.
I am not so sure.. I wouldnt be surprised if this was initiated by the gov to get an idea of the publics thoughts. Make some one else look stuid for a change :lipsrsealed:
Too clever a move for the government to pull off :grin:
you're probably right. What was I thinking :undecided:
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Too heated this debate. Im going for a cig :grin:
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will this ban apply post coitus?
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I smoke all day long in my work van even though i'm not suppose to. But there is no way i will drive all over the country day after day hour after hour and not light up when i want!
I DO NOT smoke in the Golf when i have my 6 year old daughter with me!
They banned using a mobile phone whilst driving years ago.... But even now i still see Men & Woman!! either on there phone or txt'ing.
So even if they do ban smoking when driving.... IT WONT WORK!!
Simples! :smiley:
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Can I just go back to Ants point...
As far as I am aware you cannot eat in a car, you can however consume a drink. I would like to make comparisons to say a business man dropping a sandwich on his lap, to that of a lit fag, or the end of the fag falling out... How many cars have you seen with "blim holes" in the seats from previous owners.
Surely this is a risk in its own right?
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You can eat in a car.
Its just some jobsworth cops strictly apply the "driving without due care and attention" rules.
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i hate it when an inconsiderate smoker flicks their cigerette end at my car, or when it gets stick to my tyres, i dont spend 4 hours cleaning my car for their benefit :angry:
im one of 3 warehouse supervisors, the other 2 smoke, but never sweep up the warehouse, its always me no matter what shift im on, why should i sweep up other ppls mess as i dont want to work in a dirty area!
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^^^ they should only be smoking in a designated smoke area at work
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^^^ they should only be smoking in a designated smoke area at work
And even some just smoke in the door way so that non smokers have to walk through it, or near open windows so that it comes into the building.
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On the news this morning they mentioned that Cameron had said he would be nervous at imposing such a ban, so it has at least to some small degree been mentioned in government, perhaps not officially.
I doubt it would have much effect on me either way as I'm a none smoker. Personally I'd like to see smoking banned whilst driving, but more so in public places such as streets. I actually hate people smoking in streets more as it gets in your face and makes you stink. At least in their cars they're just stinking themselves up.
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Got bored after page 3 and I don't smoke but nobody can smoke in either the courtesy cars or my own personal vehicle as sometimes it is lended out as a courtesy car if needed.
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I'd be pretty pissed off if I was given your car as a courtesy! :huh: :angry: :grin:
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The best thing I've ever seen is a bloke with a fag in his right hand out the window, whilst he held his phone with his left hand to his right ear steering with his left elbow.
He was in a work van too.
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I'd be pretty pissed off if I was given your car as a courtesy! :huh: :angry: :grin:
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Well since we have a bout a million automatic Micra customers it fits right in and no one's ever complained. :grin:
Either that or new manual Fiestas.
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The best thing I've ever seen is a bloke with a fag in his right hand out the window, whilst he held his phone with his left hand to his right ear steering with his left elbow.
He was in a work van too.
tut tut... everyone knows in those circumstances its much easier to steer with your knees :lipsrsealed:
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i like the smoker who doesnt see a problem with littering the roads with his fag butts. im sure all the peoples cars who have caught fire because its sucked up a fag end agaisnt a paper filter with a massive amount of fresh air rushing past it would probably have something to say,
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i like the smoker who doesnt see a problem with littering the roads with his fag butts. im sure all the peoples cars who have caught fire because its sucked up a fag end agaisnt a paper filter with a massive amount of fresh air rushing past it would probably have something to say,
How likely is that?
Do you have proof?
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The best thing I've ever seen is a bloke with a fag in his right hand out the window, whilst he held his phone with his left hand to his right ear steering with his left elbow.
He was in a work van too.
tut tut... everyone knows in those circumstances its much easier to steer with your knees :lipsrsealed:
:grin:
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i like the smoker who doesnt see a problem with littering the roads with his fag butts. im sure all the peoples cars who have caught fire because its sucked up a fag end agaisnt a paper filter with a massive amount of fresh air rushing past it would probably have something to say,
:laugh:
yes.. this happens every day doesnt it! Do you drive a VW or a Dyson??
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i aint reading all the pages so dont know if its been mentioned
but
who the fcuk is going to police this, certaining not the Police :grin: :laugh:
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The best thing I've ever seen is a bloke with a fag in his right hand out the window, whilst he held his phone with his left hand to his right ear steering with his left elbow.
He was in a work van too.
tut tut... everyone knows in those circumstances its much easier to steer with your knees :lipsrsealed:
:laugh:
i like the smoker who doesnt see a problem with littering the roads with his fag butts. im sure all the peoples cars who have caught fire because its sucked up a fag end agaisnt a paper filter with a massive amount of fresh air rushing past it would probably have something to say,
I somehow highly doubt that's a massive problem tbh.
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a serious fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig end directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars pisses me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a seriously fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars piss me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
HATE butt ends everywhere, should just get on the spot £50 fines IMO.
But if your car went up that's your fault for the fuel leak. Anything could have set that alight, can't blame the smoker if that had happened.
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The best thing I've ever seen is a bloke with a fag in his right hand out the window, whilst he held his phone with his left hand to his right ear steering with his left elbow.
He was in a work van too.
tut tut... everyone knows in those circumstances its much easier to steer with your knees :lipsrsealed:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a seriously fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars piss me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
HATE butt ends everywhere, should just get on the spot £50 fines IMO.
But if your car went up that's your fault for the fuel leak. Anything could have set that alight, can't blame the smoker if that had happened.
They do that, in Manchester at least. Get caught throwing a cigerette out of the car and they fine you. My boss gone done for it :grin:
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a seriously fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig end directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars pisses me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
Thats one sensitive nose you have there mr blue!! Would it not have been better to get your fuel leak looked at rather than worrying why a guy has flicked a cig butt out of his window :huh:
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a seriously fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars piss me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
HATE butt ends everywhere, should just get on the spot £50 fines IMO.
But if your car went up that's your fault for the fuel leak. Anything could have set that alight, can't blame the smoker if that had happened.
They do that, in Manchester at least. Get caught throwing a cigerette out of the car and they fine you. My boss gone done for it :grin:
Good. :cool:
They put up a box on the wall on our lane at work. Did stop the ciggarette ends until another garage owner knocked it off with a pickup. Some clever twit decided that instead of putting it on the outside wall of the building on the pavement side they would put it on the inside wall so it's making a tight lane even tighter. :rolleyes:
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a seriously fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars piss me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
HATE butt ends everywhere, should just get on the spot £50 fines IMO.
But if your car went up that's your fault for the fuel leak. Anything could have set that alight, can't blame the smoker if that had happened.
They do that, in Manchester at least. Get caught throwing a cigerette out of the car and they fine you. My boss gone done for it :grin:
same in darlington my mate got a £60 fine
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HATE butt ends everywhere, should just get on the spot £50 fines IMO.
But if your car went up that's your fault for the fuel leak. Anything could have set that alight, can't blame the smoker if that had happened.
No not blaming them. Fuel line split in traffic but for them to throw it out the window like that added to my 'I hate ciggarettes' list :grin:
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Good thing ciggie ends can't set light to fuel :grin:
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one quick search of google
"A smouldering cigarette end started the fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel which killed 39 people last year, the newspaper Le Parisien reported yesterday...
The cigarette end, thrown from another vehicle, entered the lorry's air intake, setting fire to the air filter and then the entire engine..."
--Electronic Telegraph (UK), May 6, 2000"
i wish all smokers a quick and unpleasant death :rolleyes:
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I'm sure drink driving kills more, lets ban booze! :evil:
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That's different, the air filter caught fire which caused all of that nastyness. A ciggie butt cannot light liquid petrol, FACT.
It can inadvertently cause horrible accidents such as that mentioned.
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the ignition temperature of the petrol is too high, i know this.
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one quick search of google
"A smouldering cigarette end started the fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel which killed 39 people last year, the newspaper Le Parisien reported yesterday...
The cigarette end, thrown from another vehicle, entered the lorry's air intake, setting fire to the air filter and then the entire engine..."
--Electronic Telegraph (UK), May 6, 2000"
i wish all smokers a quick and unpleasant death :rolleyes:
The lorry's air intake is much bigger than a car. Also the fire only actually took hold when the lorry stopped.
Lots of air=poor condition for combustion :nerd:
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one quick search of google
"A smouldering cigarette end started the fire in the Mont Blanc tunnel which killed 39 people last year, the newspaper Le Parisien reported yesterday...
The cigarette end, thrown from another vehicle, entered the lorry's air intake, setting fire to the air filter and then the entire engine..."
--Electronic Telegraph (UK), May 6, 2000"
i wish all smokers a quick and unpleasant death :rolleyes:
surely you mean a slow and unpleasent death ??
Funny thing is that all the folk on hear pissing and whinging about a butt end coming out the window , would soon be pissing and whinging if every smoker quit due to stupid laws thought up by non smokers because , how much tax do you think the gov earn from smokers ??
The easyest and probably only way to reclaim the tax lost would be at the pumps again.....by a feckin huge margin i would think
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At times I can smell the ciggy through my heater vents from the car infront.
Had a seriously fuel leak in my engine bay once in grid locked traffic. Guy infront flicks a cig directly under my engine bay!!! :shocked:
I say ban smoking in cars because i dont like smoker smell. Stinks, not healthy, messy, cig butts on MY land thrown from cars piss me off.
Put the tax up on cigs and lower fuel costs!
HATE butt ends everywhere, should just get on the spot £50 fines IMO.
But if your car went up that's your fault for the fuel leak. Anything could have set that alight, can't blame the smoker if that had happened.
You could blame them, as they'd have been the source of ignition.
If a car develops a fault, that doesn't mean it's ok for others to make a situation more dangerous. The fault with the car still doesn't make it ok to throw burning embers into the roads.
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there is always someone else to blame :rolleyes:
your car develops a fault, its your problem. its as simple as that!
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there is always someone else to blame :rolleyes:
your car develops a fault, its your problem. its as simple as that!
That's right, always someone else to blame.
You throw a burning ember on the road and cause danger, someone elses fault :rolleyes:
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Get over it you lot :grin:
Back on topic: Make cigs illegal!!!! :evil:
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Back on topic: Make cigs illegal!!!! :evil:
Whoa there horsey! :grin:
Here are some figures for you all to digest. Should keep this thread going. :evil:
From a bit of research and figures from the Department of Health and Revenue and Customs.
Approx 80% of the UK population do not smoke.
So only 20% are smokers.
According to a written response from the DoH in 2009:
“smoking is the largest single cause of preventable illness and premature death in the UK. It kills 106,000 people every year and costs the British taxpayer more than £1.7billion a year in treatment bills alone. It causes 84 per cent of deaths from lung cancer and 83 per cent of deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease, including
bronchitisâ€
2011/12 NHS budget is £106 Billion
Cost of treatment is £1.7 Billion
Tax revenue from tobacco 2010-11 is £11.1 Billion
Net GAIN = £9.4 Billion
Or to put it another way. If you banned smoking the Government would LOSE £11.1 Billion in spending but would gain only £1.7 Billion from not having to treat people.
But these people would now be living longer. So you would have to factor in their benefits/pensions, and offset this against any tax revenue they would generate by working etc..
It get complicated. But all in all probably wont amount to £11.1 Billion, or there about.
HTH
Jonathan.
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That's right, always someone else to blame.
You throw a burning ember on the road and cause danger, someone elses fault :rolleyes:
According to the figures above there are approximately 13,000,000 people in the UK smoking. If we were to say an average of 3 cigs a day that equals just below 40 million cig butts discarded.
Lets say a measly 5% are out of a car window. Thats 2,000,000 a day. Which is 730,000,000 a year.
How many people die through cigs throws out of a car window?? :rolleyes:
Seems like smoking in your car is safer than smoking at home judging by the number of house fires started by cigs. :cool:
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They should make us special smokers only lanes instead seeing as us smokers pay more tax and keep this country going :D
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If you got kids in the car fair enough dont smoke but if your on your own whats the bloody problem its my own space and its my car. This country gets worse.
Lifting a fag to your lips is no bloody worse than scratching your head when driving they gonna ban thats aswell :angry:
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I'm sure drink driving kills more, lets ban booze! :evil:
isn't drink driving already illegal?
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That's right, always someone else to blame.
You throw a burning ember on the road and cause danger, someone elses fault :rolleyes:
According to the figures above there are approximately 13,000,000 people in the UK smoking. If we were to say an average of 3 cigs a day that equals just below 40 million cig butts discarded.
Lets say a measly 5% are out of a car window. Thats 2,000,000 a day. Which is 730,000,000 a year.
How many people die through cigs throws out of a car window?? :rolleyes:
Seems like smoking in your car is safer than smoking at home judging by the number of house fires started by cigs. :cool:
Agreed.
So lets ban smoking at home instead! :grin:
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I'm sure drink driving kills more, lets ban booze! :evil:
isn't drink driving already illegal?
Nope, there is just a limit.
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the limit being when you are under the influence, therefore its illegal!
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the limit being when you are under the influence, therefore its illegal!
What about when you are under the limit? Still Drink driving ;)
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yeah but the remark I was responding to was
I'm sure drink driving kills more, lets ban booze! :evil:
if you are under the limit you're not drink driving
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That's right, always someone else to blame.
You throw a burning ember on the road and cause danger, someone elses fault :rolleyes:
According to the figures above there are approximately 13,000,000 people in the UK smoking. If we were to say an average of 3 cigs a day that equals just below 40 million cig butts discarded.
Lets say a measly 5% are out of a car window. Thats 2,000,000 a day. Which is 730,000,000 a year.
How many people die through cigs throws out of a car window?? :rolleyes:
Seems like smoking in your car is safer than smoking at home judging by the number of house fires started by cigs. :cool:
Agreed.
So lets ban smoking at home instead! :grin:
Which gets back to the point that there are stupid people everywhere doing stupid things.... why do we all have to suffer :undecided:
We will be building stuff from memory foam if things carry on like this.... Started by.. yes the government itself with a blame/claim structure.
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That's right, always someone else to blame.
You throw a burning ember on the road and cause danger, someone elses fault :rolleyes:
According to the figures above there are approximately 13,000,000 people in the UK smoking. If we were to say an average of 3 cigs a day that equals just below 40 million cig butts discarded.
Lets say a measly 5% are out of a car window. Thats 2,000,000 a day. Which is 730,000,000 a year.
How many people die through cigs throws out of a car window?? :rolleyes:
Seems like smoking in your car is safer than smoking at home judging by the number of house fires started by cigs. :cool:
Rubbish, you can do all you like to justify littering, but it'll never be ok.
Lets look at running people over shall we. Not everyone dies from being run over, so it's ok to run people over?
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Lets look at running people over shall we. Not everyone dies from being run over, so it's ok to run people over?
:grin: Depends who you are running over :grin:
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Lets look at running people over shall we. Not everyone dies from being run over, so it's ok to run people over?
:grin: Depends who you are running over :grin:
+1
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I'm sure drink driving kills more, lets ban booze! :evil:
isn't drink driving already illegal?
Dan I know EXACTLY what I've written here! :wink:
Anyways Any pipe smokers on here :lipsrsealed:
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Rubbish, you can do all you like to justify littering, but it'll never be ok.
Lets look at running people over shall we. Not everyone dies from being run over, so it's ok to run people over?
What are you talking about? :rolleyes:
The original point wasnt about littering, it was about people smoking in their cars. Some of which dispose of the tab out of the window. Which is no different to people littering on the street whilst walking... Which is the point I made! nothing about people dying from cig ends out of a window.
Get with it!
As for running people over... let ban cars, driving, running and... well feck it, we might as well ban people all together. You can now rest easy in your padded cell :cool:
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Righto Walter.......
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Ban smoking in cars and watch road rage rise :grin:
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From a meeting I had today, I dont think the Tobbaco companies are too bothered about what goes on in the UK anyhoo.
If we Ban smoking over here it will just be to the detriment of our wallets, along with fuel duty Ciggys make up a huge chunk of what our government earns. If they have no ciggies to tax it will need to come from something else like anybody who still has a job.
Some interesting new products hitting the market in the next few years, bound to cause another heated "think of the children" debate, I can't say a word as I have signed an NDA :lipsrsealed:
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You are part of the illuminati
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^^^ they should only be smoking in a designated smoke area at work
no such thing at my work place
warehouses, offices, meeting room, kitchen, reception door way, loading bay entrance, even all the work vehicles are smoked in
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If they ban people from smoking in cars what about all the modern vehicles with all the distractive gadgetary. It makes no real sense to be honest. Eventually there will be no laws, just things that aren't banned yet.
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^^^ they should only be smoking in a designated smoke area at work
no such thing at my work place
warehouses, offices, meeting room, kitchen, reception door way, loading bay entrance, even all the work vehicles are smoked in
You might as well start smoking and enjoy it rarther than all that second hand smoke :grin:
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Interesting debate on this very topic on question time last night.. :nerd:
good to see that some peolpe still have enough comon sense to know that firstly the only reason for this ban is to protect children i.e. No need to put a ban in place, unless you have children in the car. Secondly, who the hell is going to be enforcing this ban??
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^^^ they should only be smoking in a designated smoke area at work
no such thing at my work place
warehouses, offices, meeting room, kitchen, reception door way, loading bay entrance, even all the work vehicles are smoked in
You might as well start smoking and enjoy it rarther than all that second hand smoke :grin:
:grin: nah dont start smoking seeing as you're getting it for free currently. Do the decent thing and contribute towards your collegues fags seeing as you're getting some of them :grin:
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I would not oppose the ban to be honest. I do smoke, and am trying to quit, but I never smoke in the car. It is a distraction and the smell lingers. If you really need to smoke while driving, pull over. Simple really.
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I used to smoke, gave up when the company I was working for brought in the ban in the work a few months early. I decided I wasn't going to go outside and have a fag in January in the cold so I gave up. Never looked back TBH. If I still smoked I wouldn't do it around my kids and NEVER in the car even if they weren't in there, it still stinks and it's not fair on them.
Personally I'd label smoking in a car with children as child abuse