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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #80 on: 23 September 2013, 11:50 »
Can someone tell me how I'd identify if the blocks are in or not without jacking the car up ie. if its on my driveway - or is it impossible to see?

Thanks for the info chaps, this forum rocks!

I tried having a look last night but it was impossible to tell without the car being jacked up.

Ok, ta.  I'm going to have a little drive at lunch with no music on and see if this squeak is there - I certainly heard it this morning when parking.  Then I'll be onto the dealer to get the car checked out tonight as f7ck knows what damage its doing to the car with these blocks in (if they are in).  Plus I'd rather get it checked out - better to be safe than sorry.  I'll be armed with the pics on this thread just to show them what I'm talking about.

Mine was a constant little squeak that went away above 40mph. Is yours like that?

I have to say I haven't noticed it at any speed until I parked up today with the music off and the sensors hadn't kicked in because I wasn't near anything.  There was a lot of squeaking, which instantly made me think of this thread.  I always always have the music on which is why I haven't heard it before.  I'll have a quick drive in half an hour and see if I can hear anything - then I'll be straight onto the the dealer if I can.  The fact that so many of you have had this issue smacks of VW not telling the UK about this part being there.  Still, its not good enough.

Thanks mk7gti, I'll try that in the next hour and see if I hear it too.  If I do have to take mine in I'll be going into the workshop with them that is for sure, so there will be no sneakiness on my watch!!  :laugh:
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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #81 on: 23 September 2013, 11:57 »
To add a positive air to this tread the ride on my car is much improved!


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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #82 on: 23 September 2013, 12:26 »
It seems very strange that the dealerships would have missed such a thing during the PDI process as you would imagine that all of the new mk7 Golfs (regardless of model) are transported with these blocks protecting the shocks. Therefore, the dealers should certainly be aware of their presence you would have thought?

If some of them are not aware then it makes you wonder how many other poor unsuspecting people there are driving around in Mk7 Golfs with these blocks still attached.

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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #83 on: 23 September 2013, 12:33 »
Ok, I've had a quick drive at low speeds and weaved side to side and there's no squeaking.  There is a little when parking on a hill but I think that's more to do with the load of the car when the parking break kicks in.  Even so, I think its worth jacking it up later so I'll get the missus to have a look later as she I knows about these things  :whistle: :lipsrsealed:

Hope everyone else sorts this issue.  If it has been missed its p!ss poor, as Craig says these blocks you would imagine are standard so its not just GTI/GTD's that will have them in place for transport but all mk 7's.
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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #84 on: 23 September 2013, 12:36 »
I totally agree Graig we are all car nuts and take no sh#t when it come to issues. Think of the masses out there who could potentially be causing long term damage every time they hit a pot hole or large bump. This could be a ticking time bomb for the second hand market.


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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #85 on: 23 September 2013, 12:57 »
I think most of us will be making a small visit to our dealerships to check whether these blocks are still in or not.

Big thanks to SA-GTI and also Norbreck for some outstanding investigative work!! These forums really are a source of great information  :smiley: :smiley:

Only a pleasure to have been able to assist. Now my wait continues for the parts to get the issue sorted. I must add though, my blocks where removed at PDI so I assume the mounts where damaged during transportation.
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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #86 on: 23 September 2013, 14:01 »
I totally agree Graig we are all car nuts and take no sh#t when it come to issues. Think of the masses out there who could potentially be causing long term damage every time they hit a pot hole or large bump. This could be a ticking time bomb for the second hand market.

I think you’ll probably find these shatter under repeated impact in the cold (they are a PP/PE blend – they get quite brittle below 0C) and for the fronts at least the remnants will drop out of the shock absorber sheathing without a trace. On the rears, the sheathing is a bit more enclosed, so if they break up, the pieces might stay towards the top of the shock’s rubber boot and shred the sheath from the inside on the sharp shattered edges.
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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #87 on: 23 September 2013, 14:25 »
Back from the dealership. Saw the service manager who whipped my car round the back for 15 mins and then brought it back. I had a can of pop from them and then had a walk around the whole site, looking for mcmaddy’s GTD. Doesn’t look like it arrived yet. Lots of pre-PDI’d Golf SEs and UP!s there around the back, no GTIs or GTDs in any colour.
When the car was brought back, the service manager made out that there was nothing in the rears when they opened them up, but apologised for the fronts. I said that I’d felt around the rubber boot at the top of the rear shock and something the same diameter and depth of the transport puck seemed present and slideable. He insisted that there was nowt there and 2 independent people had looked for the pucks. He also added that usually they’re just fitted to the fronts and not the backs (just patter on his part, why would they not be bothered about the back end bouncing about in transit?). He offered to jack my car up and show me (if he’s had it out there will be nowt there to see/feel, and if I feel it and it feels different I will know it is out anyway).

Anyway, I declined, took him at his word and then the sales manager approached me to apologise for the fronts, reiterated there was nothing in the backs (without me even bringing the issue up) and had a small “valet pack” in a black cloth bag by way of apology. I politely refused the bag (wasn’t sure if it was the £12 basic one, or one of the seasonal cleaning bags varying from £20 to £35 as the pictures aren’t all there on the VW accessories website).
 I said I had a stack of cleaning stuff from the Autoglym pack. “Something else then perhaps?” he offered. I’d already seen the “luxury” front mats and wasn’t impressed (that white piping will look mucky in no time”. I had my eye on the Volkswagen Motorsport umbrella, so I asked for one. Dark blue outside, white on the inside, nice soft feel rubberised handle. We only have girly umbrellas at home, so it’ll be good to leave this in the car for me. Didn’t hang around to check out price. Can’t find an official price with VW UK for the motorsport one (basic VW Golf umbrella is £20), but on the Spanish site it is 32 Euros. Nice!

On the way out the sales manager had a word about asking me not to hold it against them when VW finally ring for their survey for which bonuses/penalties apply to the dealership. I assured him it was no biggie if they are assured no damage occurred to my shock mountings/shocks and I wouldn’t mention it because if their discretionary income gets shafted then they might not have the margin to give me a decent discount next time. He seemed pleased and assured me I’d get a good discount on my next car.

Back in the car and my suspension noises that remained are completely gone, the handling is a smidge better (which leads me to believe there was occasional gentle contact between the pucks and suspension ends). I’m 99.9% sure there were rear pucks in and they took them out. Not sure why then they felt the need to tell porkies if that is the case. They were caught with their pants down anyway as they fully accepted the fronts, so whether the pants were around the knees or the ankles makes no difference to me.
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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #88 on: 23 September 2013, 14:40 »
Glad its sorted MH.  The reason they lied about the rears is because that's what they do - they're a notch down from estate agents.  Also, they want that good review to get them their bonus so why compound the error by admitting the rears were left in as well.  Honestly, of all the things to check while PDI'ing a car you'd think the transport blocks would be the first thing they remove  :rolleyes:
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Re: Steering Rack / Suspension Squeak
« Reply #89 on: 23 September 2013, 14:47 »
MH, I could feel something in the rears of mine as well, but when I enquired, the tech smiled and said "no these can't be removed, they are the bump stops" He then showed me a photo in his service manual and sure enough at the top of the strut, there is a rubber bump stop (about the same sort of diameter approx as these pucks), which hangs down on the piston to the point of the large gas tube. That's why they are sealed in.

We looked again and I felt by squeezing the outer cover that I could feel the convolutions of the bump stop. He also said (as did your dealership) that the bump stop are only fitted to the front to prevent the axle / engine bottoming out when the cars are loaded onto trains and boats. Nothing is fitted to the rears.

Here's an exploded view of the rear shock assembly.


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