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Offline jamie1989

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #20 on: 17 August 2012, 13:23 »
I had this dicussion with Nick himself so we will see what happens on Wednesday.
Im not a tuner so iv quoted what he said and if the worse happens and it goes boom, it happens.

Turbo goes bang then a rebuild is cheap enough. If rods bend or fly out then blocks are easy and cheap.
Tingtongs been running over 260bhp for a good 10k now with no problems what so ever and a cheap ebay rebuild kit for the turbo.

I trust what Nick says and not what people on forums opinions are, Although we are all intitled to opinions and I am listening to them  :smiley:
1.6-1.8t AGU K03s, Forge actuator, Forge 007p, turbo back exhuast, Ths front mount, Catch can, 5 piece silicone boost pipes and creation sports tip. Stage 2 atm 232bhp 270lbs. Waiting for custom mapping :-)

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #21 on: 17 August 2012, 13:29 »
Feel free. I don't believe Ting Tongs car has been making 260bhp for 10k though, I'm fairly sure it blew up recently before inters and needed a rebuild again. if they could all do it reliably don't you think every st2 car that comes out of Rtech would be making 250-260bhp?

Without WMI, you won't get close.

Niki is the absolute master of getting the most from a ko3S, but the facts remain, very few cars will ever see 250bhp, and those that do won't maintain it for very long at all, be it the turbo that dies, or the actuator, they'll soon drop off.

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #22 on: 17 August 2012, 13:42 »
I understand what your saying, hopefully the forge actuator will cope well.

Anywhere between 240-250bhp is what im looking for an I know Chris will do it so it wont be blowing up constantly.
As I said im not a tuner an I wouldnt try and explain something im not 100% certain of im just repeating what iv been told and its been proven on other k03s.

Even if it came to it and I drove out of there with 240+ I would still be VERY happy as I know the power curve will be awsome.
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Car in question is K03s with forge actuator
forge 007p
calibra injectors
vr6 maf
3inch turbo back with decat
catch can
silicone turbo intake pipe
THS front munt intercooler.
1.6-1.8t AGU K03s, Forge actuator, Forge 007p, turbo back exhuast, Ths front mount, Catch can, 5 piece silicone boost pipes and creation sports tip. Stage 2 atm 232bhp 270lbs. Waiting for custom mapping :-)

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #23 on: 17 August 2012, 13:52 »
You might well get that power, and if that's what your aiming for then I hope you achieve it :afro:

However as Prawny has said you'll be right on the limit, personally I'd rather be running a safe and reliable 230bhp than risk running 240 and causing damage. It's all good and well being able to say your running 240bhp when your down the pub, but you'll feel like a tit when it all goes pete tong and people say 'I told you so' :grin:

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #24 on: 17 August 2012, 14:06 »
Haha agreed mate,

I will makesure Nick does it safely at the end of the day its still my daily wagen so reliabilty is still a concern but parts are cheap within reason these days  :grin:

Tbh im not looking for peak bhp figures and looking at my previous posts it seems that way, A good power curve is what im looking for but abit more than stage 2 figures hence iv bought a set of injectors and vr6 maf.
1.6-1.8t AGU K03s, Forge actuator, Forge 007p, turbo back exhuast, Ths front mount, Catch can, 5 piece silicone boost pipes and creation sports tip. Stage 2 atm 232bhp 270lbs. Waiting for custom mapping :-)

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #25 on: 17 August 2012, 14:10 »
Haha agreed mate,

I will makesure Nick does it safely at the end of the day its still my daily wagen so reliabilty is still a concern but parts are cheap within reason these days  :grin:

Tbh im not looking for peak bhp figures and looking at my previous posts it seems that way, A good power curve is what im looking for but abit more than stage 2 figures hence iv bought a set of injectors and vr6 maf.

You're also setting yourself up nicely to be able to run a bigger turbo in the future :wink:

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #26 on: 17 August 2012, 14:13 »
Definatley on the cards mate,
My main concern is sorting this K03s AGU Bora then on to the mk5 as iv neglected it.
My misses is always moaning about it so I need to start spending time on that for a few months  :sad:

Would be nice to k04 with relentess, not alot of work to do as iv got most things just Turbo, manifold and downpipe job done I think  :cool:
1.6-1.8t AGU K03s, Forge actuator, Forge 007p, turbo back exhuast, Ths front mount, Catch can, 5 piece silicone boost pipes and creation sports tip. Stage 2 atm 232bhp 270lbs. Waiting for custom mapping :-)

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #27 on: 17 August 2012, 14:15 »
I'm not trying to knock you or put you down mate, just passing on experience.

I was in your exact position 4 & 1/2 years ago, with a massive st2 spec car and a custom map. I was absolutely confident I'd see 250bhp, I knew I would, I had to, it was the best spec going.....

then it made 238bhp. I was GUTTED, until I drove it, and realised it was quicker than i ever expected 250bhp to be.

That turbo lasted 3 days. Another went on, and it made 240bhp/290lbft. A year later is was 230bhp. another year later is was 220bhp, then after 4 years it was 208bhp / 262lbft. Nothing else changed in that time, it just lost power every year, and got slower and slower. When the turbo came off it was absolutely ruined. No ebay rebuild kit can fix cracks in the hotside you can see daylight through, or score marks on the comp housing caused by the comp wheel from a dying thrust bearing....

250bhp numbers have indeed been proven several times, but who's to say any of these lasted. perhaps some did last 2 years, and the owners did 2000 miles a year? if you do 2000 miles a month like I did, that same turbo may only last 8 weeks!

250bhp ko3S plots sometimes offer WORSE characteristics than a 235bhp plot, because so much heat has been produced with a massive spike to get the torque (and subsequently power) up low down that they run out of steam sooner than a less stressed setup. Thermal protection mapping due to modelled EGT's can kick in and kills top end power stone dead.

So, like I say, I'd stop worrying about figures and think more about how it drives, an R-tech st2 car with a forge actuator is a very punchy motor indeed, the actuator helps the turbo hold onto boost and makes for a really quick car

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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #28 on: 17 August 2012, 14:30 »
AGU is a different kettle of fish though Dom, we max out at give or take 225bhp on standard injectors and MAF so for myself I want to upgrade these parts for the safety of my engine. Although mine makes good power Jim at JKM did tell me I was riding on the lean side of safe last time I was over there due to the injectors being at their limit. VR6 MAF and Calibra yellows are waiting to go on :afro:

Like Prawn says I do love the way it drives at the mo on the stage 2 map :wink:


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Re: How much will a AGU take?
« Reply #29 on: 17 August 2012, 14:41 »
Woww I wasnt expecting that and that read has made loads of sence.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your experiences and its definatley made an impact of my overall understanding and what I want, it wouldnt make sence having a 250bhp car that loses so much performance within a year.
I also use the car regular around 1000miles a month at a guess.

Im abit taken back perhaps its my naivety of not actually understanding the stress of that much power or strain can cause in the long run.

Il just look foward to having it set up correctly and coming home with a smile on my face Wednesday. I will report back with figures then  :cool:
1.6-1.8t AGU K03s, Forge actuator, Forge 007p, turbo back exhuast, Ths front mount, Catch can, 5 piece silicone boost pipes and creation sports tip. Stage 2 atm 232bhp 270lbs. Waiting for custom mapping :-)