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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #260 on: 18 March 2012, 09:42 »
Theres something a miss with those dyno plots.

What was the weather like there at the time? Raining? Overcast?

Dyno weather conditions show on the graph as:

BP = 99kPa
RH = 69%
AT = 15º
IT = 15-17º

Which doesn't follow weather in the actual location, which will affect how dyno uses correction.



The dyno was not used outside it looks like it was housed in a dyno cell...?

Totally indepentent dyno dynamics rolling road in F4 shootout mod.

The correction factor to each extream 998mb - 1030mb would be the MAX of 10bhp


I think you owe me an appology dude for making me look and feel a twit all week... :grin:



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Re: F17BAD G3 GTI. S3 TURBO
« Reply #261 on: 18 March 2012, 09:44 »
That glowing manifold doesn't look good to me!

PMSL!!!!  :grin:





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Re: F17BAD G3 GTI. S3 TURBO
« Reply #262 on: 18 March 2012, 09:59 »
It was on a dyno. So obviously its guna get hot  stainless glows.

There are also other reasons why a manifold glows red.






All stainless manifold glow dude no matter what, just take a STOCK Cupra R out for a good thrash and look and the cast manifold.. they glow red stock.


You said by PM your was intrested to know why the car is making 300bhp+  but it seem your becoming a forum Troll in my and a few others eyes.

You wanted independent dyno number from a dyno dynamics rolling road, the customer gives you this and you still call them lies?  now your trying to make out there is summat wrong with the and a manifold should NOT glow on a load based dyno?  Again please use google and educate yourself before such making stupid comments.
 
I have been tuning many year dude,  500-600bhp most summer months on Omex ecus running T34-stage5 turbos on C20LET engine for sprint cars so I aint going to tune a car which aint safe and send it out.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=glowing+manifold&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1600&bih=708&wrapid=tlif133206438848010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=fLBlT--xCOfD0QWPz7yNCA

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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #263 on: 18 March 2012, 10:04 »
Why not a completely neutral venue that has no affiliation with this site?  :smiley:

Is that a shameless plug Rhyso  :grin:

I haven't got a workshop mate so no.  It's just to me the only way to disprove theories and bias etc is to select a neutral venue  :smiley:

Exactly my point.  :wink:

Done this......and you still not happy.. :embarassed:



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #264 on: 18 March 2012, 10:12 »
Do you not like being asked questions?  I have no bias and again, don't assume you know me and what I know. Clearly you don't.  :wink:

If you don't want people questioning about what you have done, don't post on a public forum. Seems you have more of an issue because am sceptical?? And I find it hard to believe you are the only tuner that can do it? If you are, I take my hat off. I can admit when I'm wrong. I like to stoke the fire.  :evil:

If you don't need to prove yourself, you wouldn't have your own thread boasting about your outputs.
Come on now.
That's a bit of contradiction.  :grin:

I was not boasting!!!!  I was telling MY customer that his PRIDE & JOY was running 300bhp to make him feel good and realise all of his hard work had paid off over the winter months.    W
hich means i didnt have to prove myself to you.

  But because of your comments and amature claims, Toby has had to shell out another £40 to run on a DD rr local to him because you made me out to be a bullsh@tter. 

The DD rolling road results  297 299 and 309bhp have only backed up what I said and made you look silly.

@Toby because you have HAD to shell out money on another dyno just to prove to tshirt2K you have a 300bhp car, I will get you a better air filter sorted out for you £FOC to cover your costs.  We have a batch of 10 R-Tech-Pipercross filters coming in next week, I will send it with your mates immo off ecu. :wink:



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #265 on: 18 March 2012, 10:14 »
I don't mate. Just a observation of how a dyno uses correction. Had a similar problem on a DD dyno where it was under reading due to a weather station error. DD dynos use their own standards for correction. Not SAE or DIN and as simple as a 10bhp figure. I don't think even indoors pressure changed that much unless the room was sealed. All these factor Will affect accuracy. Otherwise they wouldn't be shown.

If customer is happy that's all that matters, but graphs are on a public forum to be analysed are they not??? Some people are more interested in other aspects other than numbers.

Plus haven't seen your plots to see how the shapes compare.



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #266 on: 18 March 2012, 10:16 »


What an epic thread  :grin:



Rich does this now mean Toby has got a big willy..lol :smiley:




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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #267 on: 18 March 2012, 10:22 »
I don't mate. Just a observation of how a dyno uses correction. Had a similar problem on a DD dyno where it was under reading due to a weather station error. DD dynos use their own standards for correction. Not SAE or DIN and as simple as a 10bhp figure. I don't think even indoors pressure changed that much unless the room was sealed. All these factor Will affect accuracy. Otherwise they wouldn't be shown.

If customer is happy that's all that matters, but graphs are on a public forum to be analysed are they not??? Some people are more interested in other aspects other than numbers.

Plus haven't seen your plots to see how the shapes compare.



Correction factor would fudge numbers very very little, I cannot see why people get stuck up on them.    Its how the dyno is used is what counts strapping ect..

My worry about a DD rolling road would be how the HELL did it come up with a reading at the fly wheel??..lol

Toby has all the graphs on a CD to post up,

Your interested in upsetting poor Toby... :cry:



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #268 on: 18 March 2012, 10:29 »
I never understand all this!  who cares if it 10bhp out(give or take).   it is all about drivability and customer satisfaction.   

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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #269 on: 18 March 2012, 10:39 »
I never understand all this!  who cares if it 10bhp out(give or take).   it is all about drivability and customer satisfaction.   


At end of the day Toby is happy as Larry with his car and all his hard work he has put in, he is happy with how smooth the car drives, he is happy with the BHP reading we gave, he is happy with the independent dyno dynamics reads which he felt pressued into doing,  he feel happy that all the money he spent on the car has not been for nothing.

Only one unhappy person on this thread...........



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Lets see whay happens when I tell you your k04 power reading with the RS4 valve..... 374bhp on the cards next week again...



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