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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #100 on: 14 March 2012, 09:48 »
Ok. So if it's a valid figure. :undecided: Spose time will tell how long it is before it grenades itself.  :evil:

And whys it not up for arguement? Mapping outside of efficiency islands and overspeeding turbos, surely isn't good practice just to get pub numbers is it. ??  :shocked:

Tuning out of outside of efficiency islands?  So thats every tuners stage 2 KKK map down the pan then??


It still sound like you need to do more reading in tuning engines/ VE timing ect.....  lol

Running this turbo on stage2 mapped BAM with stock manifold would allow for 16-17deg advance in the midrange tops and produce egts 950deg+ FACT.

  Now taking the biggest restiction out of the factor which causes this heat build up and beack pressure.... The car is running much less heat build up which = power gain,  the turbo is running LESS n75 duty cycle to produce the power, the turbo running less boost..... and its running 22deg of timing advance at the top end with 0CF @12.4:1 which I have NEVER done or seen before on a k04 with large port head.

Last year I would have been the first to say 290+ from a k04 would never happend but the sence has moved on now and with the 80mm tips and Relentless manifold, dp and decat things have moved on heaps and bounds..... nothing to do with tuner or mapping skills,, its just the tuner has a bigger safer scope.

If you go on the face book page you will see all the video and logs...


Like I keep saying every time you try to knock me back... I would only be kidding myself giving wrong numbers, if members go to a rr day  and get less bhp it would look bad on me wouldnt it????  But so far over the year all of my customers car have made bang on, more or 2-3bhp less on other tuners rolling roads....   Why would I shoot my reputation in down?

I know other tuners want to put my numbers down, by giving free rr sessions and power runs on there dynos....



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #101 on: 14 March 2012, 11:15 »
The manifold on a car over on club Gti only gained a extra 8hp nick

Explain this, really not having a go. I have a genuine interest

Don't want to be pushing the K04 So it's strangling its own life but if a genuine reliable 300hp can be achieved I'll be well up for ordering one of the manifolds

Just id be a little annoyed if I see next to no gains, and I could have save the money and the hassle of fitting and waiting on to go Gt28 etc

The B5 tips don't make no, if any difference Iv seen this with my own eyes
  


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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #102 on: 14 March 2012, 11:23 »
So f17 bad what makes you so clever then as you make all this talk about tips nót making no difference no way will it make  300 !!!!

Do you tune cars ?? Are you an engineer?? Or just a normal fórum bod with a mk3 with nót enough power ???



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #103 on: 14 March 2012, 11:25 »
Just ordered the tweezers, magnifying glass and surgical gloves  :undecided: :sad:

Question is where are you all meeting up so we can get this willy measuring over and done with  :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:

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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #104 on: 14 March 2012, 11:34 »
Just ordered the tweezers, magnifying glass and surgical gloves  :undecided: :sad:

Question is where are you all meeting up so we can get this willy measuring over and done with  :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:

LOL my galaxy has 90bhp but its old so 80bhp ať moment beat that bad boy ;-)

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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #105 on: 14 March 2012, 11:36 »
The manifold on a car over on club Gti only gained a extra 8hp nick

Explain this, really not having a go. I have a genuine interest

Don't want to be pushing the K04 So it's strangling its own life but if a genuine reliable 300hp can be achieved I'll be well up for ordering one of the manifolds

Just id be a little annoyed if I see next to no gains, and I could have save the money and the hassle of fitting and waiting on to go Gt28 etc

The B5 tips don't make no, if any difference Iv seen this with my own eyes

You not seen any gains from an 80mm tip?  The flow back to back with OEM & Braned tips is night and day dude.  Again trust me I dont sell or profit from the 80mm B5 or SFS TIP but I can honestly say they are the  best investment for a K04 owner.

With the Relentless manifold and 3" dp your turbo will be less stressed at 300bhp setup correct than running stage2 power on the stock manifold.  Again its night and day.


First thing you need to do is get your current setup to the power it should be at, the AMKs are seeing 255-260bhp with the 80mm tip and induction kits running on v-power.



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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #106 on: 14 March 2012, 11:39 »
Nick, just because you post up facts and figures on the net you assume that your the only one who knows about engines? I'm not a person who will just blow smoke up someone's arse because you spout about AFR'S and advance.  :wink: Don't assume I know nothing, my goings on aren't on full display on the web. And by outside efficiency islands, I mean off the chart.

Yes you make a good arguement but.. It's your dyno. Do a proper comparison with an independent (not one of your mates) on something like a DD and we will see.

I like to see proper validation. Maybe comparing to standard cars with known factory outputs that will prove how accurate figures are.

It may look like I try to knock you back but I'm not naive and don't get sucked in by big numbers. Plus these are just a WOT plot. It says nothing about driveability.

This may flow enough for high outputs but for how many reliable miles? How many customers have had to have a turbo change a year or 2 down the line? We will never know.  :wink:


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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #107 on: 14 March 2012, 11:41 »
The manifold on a car over on club Gti only gained a extra 8hp nick

Explain this, really not having a go. I have a genuine interest

Don't want to be pushing the K04 So it's strangling its own life but if a genuine reliable 300hp can be achieved I'll be well up for ordering one of the manifolds

Just id be a little annoyed if I see next to no gains, and I could have save the money and the hassle of fitting and waiting on to go Gt28 etc

The B5 tips don't make no, if any difference Iv seen this with my own eyes


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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #108 on: 14 March 2012, 11:44 »
But saying this its not yet been tested on a small port head AMK or BAM,  Its been proven to flow at 285bhp on B5 dyno with generic stage2 settings.

I have a BAM LCR with same setup sitting out side the workhsop, I have just fitted uprated rod,exhaust valves Relentless manifold, DP, decat SFS tip for the customer. I am set to tune it next week and the customers aim is 290bhp, but limiting factor over the AGU is the flow via the head.  Fingers crossed it will flow enough for a safe 300bhp.

Its just never going to happen on a stock manifold or tip, what happend is the car makes more boost and cannot flow.




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Re: mapping ko4'd agu
« Reply #109 on: 14 March 2012, 11:54 »
Nick, just because you post up facts and figures on the net you assume that your the only one who knows about engines? I'm not a person who will just blow smoke up someone's arse because you spout about AFR'S and advance.  :wink: Don't assume I know nothing, my goings on aren't on full display on the web. And by outside efficiency islands, I mean off the chart.

Yes you make a good arguement but.. It's your dyno. Do a proper comparison with an independent (not one of your mates) on something like a DD and we will see.

I like to see proper validation. Maybe comparing to standard cars with known factory outputs that will prove how accurate figures are.

It may look like I try to knock you back but I'm not naive and don't get sucked in by big numbers. Plus these are just a WOT plot. It says nothing about driveability.

This may flow enough for high outputs but for how many reliable miles? How many customers have had to have a turbo change a year or 2 down the line? We will never know.  :wink:


FFS........ the turbo is running less stress than a stage 2 map...  You clearly dont understand whats going on with the air flow here.   There is a point on the stock ko4 manifold where added boost makes no more power, just heat and egts.

Get a stage1 AUM and add a full turbo back exhaust on its own merits you will see 10-12bhp with out adding any more boost.

As for mates dyno the runs above where not mates dynos, B5 and AMD,   Even on JKMs DD rolling road my numbers are the same.


Can you explain what your issues are here you dont like to see some one doing well? You spending too much time on clubgti which is bias and I cannot/no other tuner cannot post in. 

At the end of the day I DONT need to prove myself because over time on RR days ect the numbers will come to light.

At the end of the day on saturday Tobys feedback and grin will say it all...




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