My point is after having 8v 16v vr6 is that around town the 8v and vr6 are easier to drive because you don't have to drop it down into 2nd gear. driving through my town center, there is some small tight bends and in the 16v I had to use 2nd, whereas the 8v and vr6 I can leave in 3rd and 4th. nothing about whats faster.