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Offline lemski

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k-jet on bike carbs?
« on: 23 December 2010, 17:14 »
Can I use the k-jet fuel system or not. Might have been covered but am on ma phone and can't see search function.
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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #1 on: 23 December 2010, 18:58 »
LOL   just had a funny thought,  Kjet throttel bodies ...........   if you made an airbox to the flappy meter and made the injectors kit you chould use k jet and ITB's

it'd be diffrent probaly for a reason.

if you on about supplying fuel to the carbs you need to remove the injection pump and use the lift pump on its own 
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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #2 on: 23 December 2010, 19:12 »
I had a thought like that but wanted to run twin k-jet with to tbs. Then realized there's a vac or breather pipe were I wanted the left side tb so thought against it. So undercar pump gets removed and then get the parts I would usually need for the bike carbs. Mates go the stuff on his mk2 he wrote off.
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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #3 on: 23 December 2010, 21:25 »
its possible, you would be better off starting with itb's as thats prettymuch what carbs end up as once youve taken all the gubbins out of them. for k-jet to work ALL the air that goes into the engine must first go through the metering head which is where the plan falls down as thats where the restriction is (see below).... you would still need a custom manifold between head and carbs/bodies, and you would need some sort of plenum feeding the bodies and fed from the metering head.

when i was running k-jet on my 2litre 8v we spent a lot of time on the dyno (perk of the weekend job ;) ) and eventually dicovered that the flap in the metering head was fully open at around 4500 rpms, (nicely ported head, hot cam etc) anyting over that it was causing a huge restriction, that engine is now running an ec1 from tdf power engineering and makes 152hp in the same mechanical spec that made a maximum of 139hp on k-jet (and to get it to do that took ages, was sh!te at anything but full throttle, and was very fuel/weather sensitive) in short a standard engine running k-jet with one of everything present and working is best left alone and at all other times the big problem with k-jet is, er, the k-jet.

to get port throttle breathing cheaply but at a cost of ultimate all condition accuracy carbs will be fine as long as you can get them set up properly, but bear in mind you will still be stuck with the same old ignition system where you can advance it at all times or retard it at all times but not fine tune any one point in the load/rev range. and predictably enough throttle bodies with a properly calibrated ecu controlling both fuel and spark are the top option, far better driveability and fuel economy, plus a decent ecu and loom, while seeming costly initially are a great investment for a tinkerer, if you go for carbs and then decide its not enough and want a little boost they will be exactly no use whatsover in a road car and heavily compromised in a fair weather track car too, a quality ecu can run prettymuch any setup you like, plus you can efi without thebodies to save cash at first and give everything a good shakedown.

didnt notice if yours is 8 or 16v, if its a valver then bodies, yep, cool. 8valve, forget it. they will be sat pointing the wrong way, shrouded by the bulkhead and breathing hot air from around the exaust manifold unless you make a plenum which is surprisingly hard to do without subtantial loss in breathing efficiency..... and back to square one. thats before you consider the manifold from bodies to head, ports 2 and 3 exit the head very close together and due to the lack of room you cant get a long enouigh runner to make them flow the little bit of hot air that seeps past the bulkhead at all well.

if it IS a valver though ive got a lovely set of bodies with injectors and rail for sale..... ;)

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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #4 on: 23 December 2010, 23:35 »
above was a good read and enlightened me to more mk2 info..
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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #5 on: 24 December 2010, 00:00 »
That's was a good read and indeed it is a valver. How much we talkin for the bodies and injectors you have for sale?

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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #6 on: 24 December 2010, 03:24 »
going itb isn't cheep.

most ecu's are about £500
the wideband lambdas about £150
manifold £150
ITB's £50 - 500
rolling road time £300-500

cost about £1150 at least by the time you finish
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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #7 on: 24 December 2010, 08:58 »
Wide spread lambda?

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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #8 on: 24 December 2010, 12:49 »
your conventiona lambdais called a narrowband, its desinged to see an afr of 14.7:1      there range of afrs is about 14 - 15.

a wideband lambda can accuratly determine AFR's from around 10:1 throuogh to 19:1 they are very usefull for ueing and AFR corection ( the ecu uses a 2nd map that st0ores target AFR's ) it then uses the lambda to to trim the fueling to get the afr's spot on
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Re: k-jet on bike carbs?
« Reply #9 on: 24 December 2010, 14:10 »
lambda that sits in the cat? which being an 87 engine it doesnt have surely would mean there isnt a labda. and the lambda ratio is going to be 14.7 to 1 on k-jet but way out when throttle bodies are introduced until properly set up. when i replied to this i was half asleep, now ive just thought back to theory at college.
would it be better then to either get my k-jet set up properly or bike carbs for that little bit extra in the gears. i mean my mates 1.3 on bike carbs (polo gt engine in a golf) felt quicker than a 1.6 driver and picked up quite well.
i can get all the stuff for the bike carbs for pretty much nothing. just need something to puch my valver abit quicker at the top end of the gears when it starts slowing down.
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