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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: WhiteGTI on 09 September 2008, 21:44
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Don't think there are many that don't have a Milltek, but just want to get an idea and review of other exhausts... Just want to do as much research as possible before I make the decision.
Can anyone help?
Thanks.
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have a blimp on golfmkv.com the yanks try all sorts of different ones. :smiley:
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The APR exhaust is worth a look the quality makes a milltek look tatty. They also have the new RSC system, reflective sound technology which is supposed to cut down on the resonance in the cabin associated with aftermarket exhausts.
Take a look-http://www.goapreu.com/products/apr_exhaust_mkvgti.html
I'll be having a nosey when the S3 one comes out soon :smiley:
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....APR exhausts are usually pretty loud and pretty harsh sounding. Perhaps this explains why they need their new RSC system.
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I have been in contact with Remus about a system for the Ed30, their site wasn't very good so i emailed them and now they have updated it with part no's and prices and some pictures.Their quality looks good to, seen one fitted to a A5.
you also get Jetex & Supersprint.
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....APR exhausts are usually pretty loud and pretty harsh sounding. Perhaps this explains why they need their new RSC system.
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They have always had a stealth/jet option i think it was, i.e resonated/non-resonated, but yes they are a different sound to the milltek, less of a burble and more of a whistle/jet sound. Think I'll have a look at them for a different option as there seams to be a few quality issues recently with milltek since they have taken a more mass produced approach to things.
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Interesting advice...
Top Cat - thanks, I'll have a look on there later on.
Gaz - cheers i'll look at that too
K4ith - yeah heard a couple things about the Remus, im intrigued.
Definitely don't want an exhaust that is too droney in the cabin, especially at motorway speeds, my ears won't be able to cope with another loud car (my second car is ridiculous, and I swear I'm going deaf slowly) ......dont fancy wearing hearing protection in the Golf - would look like a bit of a melon really!
I just want the exahust for the performance gains. Are there any reports of some systems releasing more performance than others?
Thanks again all.
Chris.
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Can anybody tell me at approximately how many miles or KM's the factory exhaust blows?
My dad had a custom made Powerflow Exhaust fitted to the Pajero and it increased the torgue and HP of the car dramatically.
He wants to fit the same exhaust to the GTI. Its a straight system and we cant wait to see the differences... If I remember correctly it cost us about 4000 rand which is about 260 pounds for the Pajero's exhaust system. The golf might cost more.
Mike
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Can anybody tell me at approximately how many miles or KM's the factory exhaust blows?
My dad had a custom made Powerflow Exhaust fitted to the Pajero and it increased the torgue and HP of the car dramatically.
He wants to fit the same exhaust to the GTI. Its a straight system and we cant wait to see the differences... If I remember correctly it cost us about 4000 rand which is about 260 pounds for the Pajero's exhaust system. The golf might cost more.
Mike
as in breaks , needing replacing ?, im guessing it will last a good few years (over 5)
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5 years??
How does it last that long?Our 320i went through like 3 exhausts in the space of 5 years and thats a boring old BMW.
Will have to talk him into getting it done sooner...
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5 years??
How does it last that long?Our 320i went through like 3 exhausts in the space of 5 years and thats a boring old BMW.
Will have to talk him into getting it done sooner...
its a guess, i never usually have a car over 1 year LOL, my parents had a VW and its exhaust lasted 8 years before it went though
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Trust the Germans to create an industructible exhaust... 8 years is slightly OB.
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Put it this way........... I had a Corsa a few years ago (yes yes yes, big mistake), and the exhaust lasted five years without a problem. I can only assume that VW have better build quality than Vauxhall.....
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yeah i'd been very surprised if the GTI exhaust lasts anything less than 5-6-7-years
my old focus ST170 lasted 4 years with me and 2 with my cousin and had no issues at all! and that was Ford!!!!
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I have a SuperSprint Oval rear Box, Well happy with it and made extremely well. Sounds lovely too!
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I have a Milltek Cat back, but my sports cat and downpipe were made my Janspeed. Made to a very high standard and the difference in performance is very noticable, even more so when the map was changed to take into account the easier breathing. Car has a very raspy note over 3k rpm and its tubed nicely so you hear the turbo spooling up. not to everyones taste and you certainly know its coming down the road, but then I only use it at weekends.
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Interesting Komeda...
Any particular reason you didn't go for the full Milltek package? Also, why not a Janspeed cat back? (or did they not do one)?
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Interesting Komeda...
Any particular reason you didn't go for the full Milltek package? Also, why not a Janspeed cat back? (or did they not do one)?
I had the Milltek down pipe to start off with but after a couple of weeks of driving it the throttle response still felt a bit flat, I had the map changed but still no difference. My friend who does all my work suggested trying another downpipe and I had been speaking to Janspeed who had been developing one. As soon as it went on the character of the car changed, it revs much more freely. I also get a completely clean burn now which I wasn't getting with the Milltek downpipe, I have no idea why that is though.
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Verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.
If you don't mind me asking, how much was the Janspeed sport cat and downpipe? I can't seem to find it on their website. :smiley:
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Verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.
If you don't mind me asking, how much was the Janspeed sport cat and downpipe? I can't seem to find it on their website. :smiley:
Because it isn't :wink:
Drop this guy an email (dan.mullan@janspeed.com) and say Duane, Silver GTI recommened you. He should be able to get one built for you. Think mine was about £350.
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Interesting Komeda...
Any particular reason you didn't go for the full Milltek package? Also, why not a Janspeed cat back? (or did they not do one)?
I had the Milltek down pipe to start off with but after a couple of weeks of driving it the throttle response still felt a bit flat, I had the map changed but still no difference.
....I had my Milltek Hi-flow+Downpipe system well before a remap and instantly felt an improved throttle response.
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The throttle was better but still took to long to respond and felt a bit fluffy (for want of a better word) thats why I went for a change to the map to start off with as that was the most likely cause but it still didn't change. After changing the downpipe the revs build quicker and the throttle is snappier. No idea why that it but the car is certainly different, sounds different to.
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from the different forums you can see that Milltek have been a market leader for perf/exhausts but now that tide maybe turning.
Theres more people willing to look at the other manu's now due to a drop in quality and reliability issues, which is a shame.
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from the different forums you can see that Milltek have been a market leader for perf/exhausts but now that tide maybe turning.
Theres more people willing to look at the other manu's now due to a drop in quality and reliability issues, which is a shame.
....I've heard stories of quality but not reliability issues. Can you expand on this at all please? I'm in close contact with Milltek currently and would like to discuss it.
Thanks :smiley:
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It was something i had posted some time ago about the mk5 downpipes warping due to heat, some of the mounting brackets breaking off.These are things that make me think now before buying as you will note as its the only thing i haven't mod'd yet and its norm one of the 1st things to be done when embarking on the slippery slope. :grin:
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It was something i had posted some time ago about the mk5 downpipes warping due to heat, some of the mounting brackets breaking off.These are things that make me think now before buying as you will note as its the only thing i haven't mod'd yet and its norm one of the 1st things to be done when embarking on the slippery slope. :grin:
....I know first-hand that they had some issues with mounting brackets because they rather unwisely didn't use stainless ones as they now do. If you contact them they'll replace the brackets foc 01332 227280.
Millteks were my first mod too. :afro: Hope this helps.
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Has anyone on here got / heard / been in a car with an AWE exhaust fitted? If so, what are your thought/opinions?
I know that the Regal Golf MK5 demonstrator has the AWE downpipe and sportcat fitted with a Miltek cat-back, and will probably go see this on Tuesday, but just wanted to see if anyone on here has experience of it!
Thanks! :smiley:
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White GTi, don't know if you have checked out the Awe Tuning website (link below), there are some video clips that give a good idea of what the system sounds like. They seem to have gone for a very unrestricted system by deleting the rear silencer altogether and have just used a centre silencer, could be a good way of increasing power but I bet it's loud! (a little hard to tell from the video clip) sounds very raspy though, I'm looking for a deeper exhaust note with more character something more like a V6 or boxer, not sure if this can be achieved with an FSi engine.
Awe tuning: http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shared/part_detail.cfm?PMaI=3&PMoI=38&PEI=25&PP=mk5gj_20t_exhaust.cfm&PPT=Exhaust&IL=mk5exhaust
Here are some other companies that do exhausts for MK5 GTis that look interesting:
Bastuck GTi: http://bastuck.de/web/liste_modern.asp?untergruppe=500200090030&id_hg2=500200090
Jetex GTi: http://www.jetex.co.uk/website/jetex_exhausts_chooser.php?mak=Volkswagen&mod=Golf+Mk5+TFSi+200bhp&mat=Stainless+Steel
Remus GTi: http://www.remusuk.com/model.asp?id=2.0l%20TFSI%20GTI%20147%20kW,%202004=>&mod=Golf%20Mk5&man=VW ED30: http://www.remusuk.com/model.asp?id=2.0l%20TFSI%20GTI%20Edition%2030%20169%20kW,%202007=>,%20BYD&mod=Golf%20Mk5&man=VW
Supersprint: http://www.supersprint.com/homeuk.htm ED30: http://www.supersprint.com/homeuk.htm
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You, my friend, are a legend! I shall have a look at this later on.
Yeah been looking at the AWE website, also interesting that they have kept a 2.5" tubing diameter, and the power graphs that show how badly the car is affected by a 3" system was very interesting.
Heard about the Jetex system - its quite new isnt it... but when i clicked on retailers it only comes up with Halfords......seems a little chavtastic to me?!
The APR RSC exhaust was very nice - had a gorgeous rasp, and wasnt too loud. Looking forward to seeing and hearing a Miltek on Saturday at the Rolling Road meet, but like you, i want an exhaust with character, not just a louder version of the standard exhaust! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Yep not sure about Jetex as a brand, always associated it with chavs in the past but it looks a nice system, so will keep an open mind. Supersprint also looks a quality system.
I’m still pining after the engine and exhaust note of my previous car an Alfa GT 3.2 which was the same engine as in the GTAs, even at idle it sounded very special and a few blips on the loud pedal made me realise what an fantastic engine it was (shame about the lousy build quality of the rest of the car though) There were 2 glorious sounds to listen to, the engine and exhaust. I fear that the FSi will never develop the kind of sound you will want to hear along with the exhaust, on the contrary I want an exhaust that burbles at tick over to hide the diesel-like clatter from the injection system but is quiet at 3-3500rpm when in 6th on the motorway. If you look at the graph for the Awe exhaust at idle it’s as quiet as the standard exhaust.
I like the look of the Bastuck systems the way there are 2 separate tail pipes from the backbox and not just a 1 into 2 ‘y’ piece like most others (except Milltek I think). The Bastuck system is 2.75†throughout (same as Milltek although the Milltek has a 3†downpipe) and requires a 70mm to 61mm reducer if you opt for the cat back system. I also wonder if there is a difference in sound between the twin and quad outlet sytems that most companies offer.
Will spend some time looking for sound files, you found any APR ones yet? Would be interesting to know how the sound compares to the Millteks at the RR meet…keep me informed.
Just noticed I missed one off my post, Ragzzon an Italian company very popular with Alfas: http://www.ragazzon.it/
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The top four links on this page show the RSC exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=apr+rsc&search_type=&aq=f
Inside the cabin it is so quiet, you can hardly hear it, but as soon as you open a window you can hear it really well. Lovely rasp. I think this is the effect of the RSC piping - in that how you can't hear much of it inside the cabin.
You should definitely hear/see one in real life though before you make a decision, it is a worthy contender. Only two companies have it fitted at present - Awesome in Manchester, and Tuningwerks in Croydon :smiley:
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WhiteGTI. Wait till you hear Redrobins non res quad Milltek!, trust me you'll be doing this :drool:. It sounds the same to the standard Non res in the car and not noisey at all!!.
I think you and me are gonna be sick as pigs come saturday!
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WhiteGTI. Wait till you hear Redrobins non res quad Milltek!, trust me you'll be doing this :drool:. It sounds the same to the standard Non res in the car and not noisey at all!!.
I think you and me are gonna be sick as pigs come saturday!
I've been looking forward to hearing his Miltek for ages!!! You think he'll take me for a quick spin in it so that I can hear it on the run!!? :laugh: :laugh:
Definitely won't discount Miltek, but its a sh!te load of money to spend, and I just want to make sure that I'm making the right decision! :smiley:
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WhiteGTI. Wait till you hear Redrobins non res quad Milltek!, trust me you'll be doing this :drool:. It sounds the same to the standard Non res in the car and not noisey at all!!.
I think you and me are gonna be sick as pigs come saturday!
I've been looking forward to hearing his Miltek for ages!!! You think he'll take me for a quick spin in it so that I can hear it on the run!!? :laugh: :laugh:
Definitely won't discount Miltek, but its a sh!te load of money to spend, and I just want to make sure that I'm making the right decision! :smiley:
....Of course I will! :afro:
As you'll hear for yourself, it can be heard in the car with all the windows closed (which is what I wanted as I find it a real driving aid) but it's quiet when tootling through town.
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lsc - The Milltek sound for twin and quads is the same. Also, it doesn't mask the injector sound when idling.
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WhiteGTI. Wait till you hear Redrobins non res quad Milltek!, trust me you'll be doing this :drool:. It sounds the same to the standard Non res in the car and not noisey at all!!.
I think you and me are gonna be sick as pigs come saturday!
I've been looking forward to hearing his Miltek for ages!!! You think he'll take me for a quick spin in it so that I can hear it on the run!!? :laugh: :laugh:
Definitely won't discount Miltek, but its a sh!te load of money to spend, and I just want to make sure that I'm making the right decision! :smiley:
....Of course I will! :afro:
As you'll hear for yourself, it can be heard in the car with all the windows closed (which is what I wanted as I find it a real driving aid) but it's quiet when tootling through town.
Ahh cant wait!!! Many thanks RR! :smiley:
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lsc - The Milltek sound for twin and quads is the same. Also, it doesn't mask the injector sound when idling.
Thanks RR, that’s cleared one thing up, even though the quad looks the business if it doesn’t sound any better then I think I’ll stick with the stealth look of the twin outlet systems which are a straight fit, no cutting or expensive valances to buy.
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Guys does anyone other than Milltek produce a R32 style box ?
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Not that I recall E30M3, only the MK4 style (2 tail pipes far apart unlike MK5 R32 which are closer together) or Quad systems
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Guys does anyone other than Milltek produce a R32 style box ?
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http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shared/part_detail.cfm?PMaI=3&PMoI=38&PEI=25&PP=mk5gj_20t_exhaust.cfm&PPT=Exhaust&IL=mk5exhaust_r32conv
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Guys does anyone other than Milltek produce a R32 style box ?
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http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shared/part_detail.cfm?PMaI=3&PMoI=38&PEI=25&PP=mk5gj_20t_exhaust.cfm&PPT=Exhaust&IL=mk5exhaust_r32conv
WOW :shocked: i think ive just seen my exhaust!!! i have the bumper already and the milltek is 450quid, and that is 460 dollers!! :shocked: massive saving, need to research this company :smiley:
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is there anywhere in the UK that do AWE exhausts?? :smiley:
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is there anywhere in the UK that do AWE exhausts?? :smiley:
Regal are the only company. I spoke to them about this exhaust on Monday and they told me that in terms of quality and performance gains it walks all over the Miltek systems.
They fit AWE exhausts to their race cars.
HTH
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is there anywhere in the UK that do AWE exhausts?? :smiley:
Regal are the only company. I spoke to them about this exhaust on Monday and they told me that in terms of quality and performance gains it walks all over the Miltek systems.
They fit AWE exhausts to their race cars.
HTH
well to be honest....if they are selling it, they would say that, lol :smiley:
any phone numbers, and are the prices stupidly high as we dont live in america :laugh:
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is there anywhere in the UK that do AWE exhausts?? :smiley:
Regal are the only company. I spoke to them about this exhaust on Monday and they told me that in terms of quality and performance gains it walks all over the Miltek systems.
They fit AWE exhausts to their race cars.
HTH
well to be honest....if they are selling it, they would say that, lol :smiley:
any phone numbers, and are the prices stupidly high as we dont live in america :laugh:
They sell Miltek also...........!
Here is their website http://www.vag-tuner.com/acatalog/copy_of_AWE.html
They fit Miltek to their road demo car. Don't know why, didn't ask as I didn't have time. It is a question to ask though, considering he told me how much better the AWE was. I'll find out soon enough.
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you could try a blueflame system as i have had 2 and they are very good and very well priced.
full turbo back and high flow cat
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/100_0395.jpg)
my stock r32 exhaust
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/newcar3.jpg)
blueflame set up
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/100_0683r32.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/100_0684r32.jpg)
and it sounds like this :evil:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yiv5RBG70dg
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yea, i remember reading about bluflame exhausts and that they are a real quality piece of kit!! :smiley:
just spoke to regal and it ended up being 616!! after shipping and VAT and all the other cr@p :sad: :sad: found a milltek cat-back R32 style for 450 :undecided: so probs just go with that, although i may just have a look at blueflame :wink:
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That R32 of your sounded awesome Mat :laugh: Getting nothing like that out of a 2.0 TFSI unfortunately!!
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just spoke to bluflame, they quoted me 400 but would need to look at my car for definate price,
are the blueflame exhausts as good as milltek?? :undecided:
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Just found out why Regal use Miltek on their demo car - becuase they bought the car with it already fitted on there, so it was a case of working with what they already had sorta thing!
Yeah Blueflame are very popular on the TT forum, most swap their Miltek for Blueflame apparently! Having looked at them briefly, they just don't seem to give me a good vibe...dunno why :undecided: :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
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they are very very good and i would have had another one but i got a very good deal on my milltek. i would not listen to anyone saying they are not good as they are and any probs they are close to you so nip it back and they will sort it.
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I would go for the milltek. Its more of a proven product with the gti so you know it will work. Blueflame make very good systems but for £50 more i would go for milltek.
I personally think supersprint are one of the best exhaust manufacturers but they are soooooooo expensive
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Just found out why Regal use Miltek on their demo car - becuase they bought the car with it already fitted on there, so it was a case of working with what they already had sorta thing!
Yeah Blueflame are very popular on the TT forum, most swap their Miltek for Blueflame apparently! Having looked at them briefly, they just don't seem to give me a good vibe...dunno why :undecided: :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
i know what you mean, their site is cr@p!!! but seemed OK to speek to :smiley: although scouce :grin: :grin:
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Suppose I can't judge them by their website. Maybe I should ring too!
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Suppose I can't judge them by their website. Maybe I should ring too!
yea, probs best too, price also includes fitting aswell remember, milltek price is not including fitting :smiley: im going to go down and have a gander on saturday i think :smiley:
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Joe - could you let me know what they are like when/if you go and have a look? :smiley: :smiley:
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Joe - could you let me know what they are like when/if you go and have a look? :smiley: :smiley:
will do, its about 45mins from me so will probs go down on saturday morning, il report back here on monday :smiley: :smiley:
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Thats really cool of you mate, cheers!! :cool: :afro:
Yeah not very local to me at all!!
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Verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.
If you don't mind me asking, how much was the Janspeed sport cat and downpipe? I can't seem to find it on their website. :smiley:
Because it isn't :wink:
Drop this guy an email (dan.mullan@janspeed.com) and say Duane, Silver GTI recommened you. He should be able to get one built for you. Think mine was about £350.
P.S. Cheers for the info here Komeda.....after numerous attempts to contact Dan, and the general contact email address that Janspeed give on their website, I have received no replies at all. Shame really, I was quite intrigued by this! But thanks anyway! :smiley:
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I was quoted £400 for a custom cat back with a choice of tailpipe selections, this was based on a 3" system.
you can see from the various site now that milltek are letting there quality slip while others are getting better.I would be interested in the blueflame.
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Guys does anyone other than Milltek produce a R32 style box ?
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How about this one: -
http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/shared/part_detail.cfm?PMaI=3&PMoI=38&PEI=25&PP=mk5gj_20t_exhaust.cfm&PPT=Exhaust&IL=mk5exhaust_r32conv
WOW :shocked: i think ive just seen my exhaust!!! i have the bumper already and the milltek is 450quid, and that is 460 dollers!! :shocked: massive saving, need to research this company :smiley:
Joe the miltek cat back is a bit cheaper than 450. :tongue:
http://www.speedbox.co.uk/products/product_list.html?model=19917;type=milltek_full_cat_back_exhaust_systems
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I don't think that Milltek have let their quality slip but it's true that there have been occasional issues as happens with nearly every manufacturer. Milltek have been and perhaps still are the market leader in the UK. In my experience, if issues occur they are excellent at doing everything to look after the customer.
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Joe, you seem driven by always trying to get the very cheapest price on anything :huh:
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Joe, you seem driven by always trying to get the very cheapest price on anything :huh:
Nowt wrong with that, partial to a bargain myself.
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Joe, you seem driven by always trying to get the very cheapest price on anything :huh:
yep, im 22, so wont have as big a pay packet as most people on here :smiley: :smiley:
oh and topcat, that one is the normal exhaust, im after the R32 style so its abit more expensive :smiley:
whiteGTI, just got an email straight from AWE and they can ship the exhaust themselves (instread of going through regal) so cutting out their % and also tax n VAT n all that :wink: :smiley:
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for that information RE the AWE import.
I decided to do a little "asking around" as the whole thing about AWE finding that a 3" downpipe was too big for a MKV raised some questions .... mainly the fact that both Miltek and APR use 3" systems, so it got me thinking what it actually is that makes the AWE product so good.
So...after a chat with Paul at APR, we did some research and discovered that the GIAC map used on the AWE test car was a generic map, and was therefore not tuned to allow for the larger downpipe, and therefore greater air mass created. He says that from his experience of both APR and Miltek products neither have the same issue with their 3" designs. Furthermore, he said that the technical department of AWE's headquarters in America were quite unexperienced compared with that of APR and Miltek.
I think this has swayed it for me, and I don't think I'll consider AWE anymore. It does just seem quite strange that they have kept using 2.5" - which afterall is what the stock system is. It seems that the main power gains that they have achieved from their 2.5" system are from their metal cat and because they remove the main silencer completely.
HTH :smiley: :smiley:
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I've known Milltek for some time and have periods when I speak with or see them quite often. Milltek work closely with the established good tuners to ensure that their products will perform as they are supposed to. The exhaust plays an important and complimentary part with a remap.
Conversely, a poor remap by Joe Bloggs can damage the cat by over-fuelling for example.
As I've posted before - Every manufacturer can have its bad batch or a temporary issue and it's unfair when such a relatively rare occurrence sets off strong negative talk in the car forums.
I'm not saying that, in my opinion, Milltek is better than any of the others but I am saying that their performance exhausts are top notch and very carefully developed to perform well. Most importantly, Milltek stand behind their products and if you do have a problem they will do everything they can to put it right and that includes outright replacement.
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Following Top Cat's excellent advice, here is a useful link for exhausts from an american forum:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2338&highlight=APR+exhaust
The Eurojet exhausts look quite cool, and seem to be rated pretty highly on this forum! Maybe another worth considering!
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Following Top Cat's excellent advice, here is a useful link for exhausts from an american forum:
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2338&highlight=APR+exhaust
The Eurojet exhausts look quite cool, and seem to be rated pretty highly on this forum! Maybe another worth considering!
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....I'm afraid that I've always had a problem with the accuracy of a vid soundtrack on the internet - It simply never reproduces the sound accurately enough. Always try and experience an exhaust in an actual car, both inside and out.
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Oh your right without doubt! Online videos will never be an accurate representation of the sound. Thats why I've made so much effort to see and hear the exhausts in real life. But the link gives a very comprehensive list of different exhausts, that others on this forum that are perhaps considering an exhaust could find useful :smiley:
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Very useful link and info, without doubt :afro: