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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Jkctr on 07 September 2007, 15:36
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Hi guys.
New to the forum.
My mum has just bought a brand new 5 door dsg gti in silver with every extra except the seats and audio upgrade :grin:
Hopefully i am being put on the insurance as i realy enjoyed it when i test drove it, very relaxing and comfortable (although strange having the car change gear being my first semi-auto car lol!
I am after some advise on which remap company to go with after the car has done a few more miles (next summer i expect) I have told my mum of the mpg benefits (and the power will be nice when i am driving it)
What have you guys seen in terms of improved mpg and bhp. I know the dsg hits 60 quicker than the manual and the power to weight is about 150bhp/ton iirc. I read somewhere that the claimed 6.9 is actually higher than the car hits?
Cheers :smiley:
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REVO
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I thought so but any reasons?
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I thought so but any reasons?
please read previous threads on this forum to give you the reasons why. this topic KEEPS appearing weekly!!!!
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as well as.... what bhp have i got, whats best, who sells, how do i up load pics lol!! :drool:
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lol i know most of that, i have read threads and they all have 'claimed' figures. Was hoping some people with proof (e.g. rolling road graphs) could show me.
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ok, Your DSG GTi will hit 0-60 in 6 secs,using launch control. especially if its been run in (meaning approx 10000+) you have 197 bhp.Revo are the company best for Chipping IMO.£500 giving you estimated 40bhp. Mpg doesnt exsist in a MK5 GTi, its better known as "smiles per gallon".
Expect roughy 26-28 town average, maybe 1 or 2 miles less if chipped.Motorway cruising expect 34-35mpg at 70 mph.Running on 99 octane fuel and not cheap nasty 95 unleaded.
HTH
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Fantastic. Cheers bud. Well its on 50miles at the mo (57plate) so still abit of wearing in lol Will explain why it didnt feel very fast when i drove it (may just be the semi-auto though?)
Cheers
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i would put it in(D) drive position , and push the lever left to use manual mode, and have fun with the paddles on the steering wheel.
And yes it will feel abit sluggush at 1st, try and avoid using SPORT mode just yet, that one is bestest buddies with your fuel needle :laugh:. Enjoy.
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I put it from 40 to 80 is sport. I will have ago more with the paddles when my mum gets it to get some more fun. Not a fan of point and squirt so getting round some twisties should be fun. Hopefully push it as hard as my ctr, no idea what the gti's are like in handling!
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Different league to CTR, oh your in for a nice surprise :wink:
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Don't forget to run it in though. :wink:
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Follow TT's guide to running it in. You will find it if you do a search. Enjoy the new car
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Surely running in is pointless as engines are bench run before they go in. I know you would have run in an engine on older cars but giving it some from the word go wont do anything other than take the high miles off (in other words the 3rd, 4th or 5th owner would have the downsides?)
I will do a quick search though.
Cheers!
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plz do not treat a GOLF GTi like your old CTR, wheres Hurdy!!!!!!!, get the comandments book out fella................... :wink:
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I bought my ctr at 25k miles so i never had to run it in. Also the car is my mums, not mine.
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well hopefully she'll keep the keys away from you in the 1st 1000 miles!!! :grin:
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She raged the sh!t out of it mate! Sport mode, redline change gear, redline. Seeing as there is no evidence of new engines needing to be run in as they have not hit high miles yet i think it will be fine. The damage wont be visable (if it does do anything) for a long time. There is also a threory that it is best to use engine as they were supposed to be used from the off as it opens them up properly!
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i can see a warranty claim being submitted soon :rolleyes: doubt VW will entertain it though seeing as its not been run in as per the manual..........
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what does the owners manual say, read it, thats what its for, whats the reg plate, cus if you sell it, im not interested because you will be doing the life of the engine no favours in blowing it to bits out of the box. Just because it may or maynot go bang and drop its oil on the deck, doesnt mean its ok and will last, cus it wont. You need to tell your mum not to do, trust me, when some of our expects read this thread, brace yourself for some harsh words!!. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! . do ruin a cracking car, just for the sake of 1000 miles careful driving.
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I will get her to run it in. She only drove it like that as she was taking her friends out. She rarely drives like that as mine scares her when in vtec so she wont be driving it hard at all.
If cars cannot be driven hard from the start then surely they would not do demo cars :huh: I seriously doubt it will do much damadge but just to be safe i will make sure it is broken in as i dont want to risk ruining a lovely car :smiley:
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If cars cannot be driven hard from the start then surely they would not do demo cars :huh: I seriously doubt it will do much damadge but just to be safe i will make sure it is broken in as i dont want to risk ruining a lovely car :smiley:
intersting point about demo cars but the way I see it with them is that the dealer to some extent 'writes them off' hence why you can normally pick them up for a few quid cheaper. Plus i'd never buy a demo car! just my 2 cents
by running it in properly will ensure the engine lasts for a good long time. VAG engines tend to get better with age so treating them properly now will reap greater rewards :afro:
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No probs i will make sure she does it :grin:
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No probs i will make sure she does it :grin:
good man :wink: it means when its run in you can rag the sh!t out of it without fear of it going bang!! :grin: :grin:
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Cheers bud
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She raged the sh!t out of it mate! Sport mode, redline change gear, redline. Seeing as there is no evidence of new engines needing to be run in as they have not hit high miles yet i think it will be fine. The damage wont be visable (if it does do anything) for a long time. There is also a threory that it is best to use engine as they were supposed to be used from the off as it opens them up properly!
From reading around the forums the TFSI engine is sensitive to running in. It seems that if you don't it uses a HEAP more oil than if you do run it in.
Like I mentioned before TT has a good post with regards to running in engines. The pros & cons of running in were discussed there too.
However, I hope your mum enjoys here new car. :smiley:
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I know that its not run in yet but how does it feel comared to the CTR?
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Not as exciting to dirve, but i will obviously give a biased opinion towards the ctr so not the best person to ask lol. The gti is a whole steup in terms of build quality, comfort and toys. Cannot compare the engines as one is a high revving n/a and the other a torquey turbo with amazing in gear acceleration. Both brilliant cars different reasons. I am very lucky to have the opportunity to drive both!
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owned a ctr for 2 years, total crap! after driving the ed30 my eyes where opened!
The ctr drives like a bucking bronco! It will try and kill you!
No feed back at the wheel at all,
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owned a ctr for 2 years, total crap! after driving the ed30 my eyes where opened!
The ctr drives like a bucking bronco! It will try and kill you!
No feed back at the wheel at all,
Come on....no sitting on the fence please :grin: :grin: :laugh:
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Say it how it is!
BTW after 1k miles at 3.5k revs is the car run in? Only at 400 miles :(
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Gradually build up to full revs after 1k miles. At 600 miles you should be thinking about adding another 1k revs :cool:
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owned a ctr for 2 years, total crap! after driving the ed30 my eyes where opened!
The ctr drives like a bucking bronco! It will try and kill you!
No feed back at the wheel at all,
You obviously could not drive then. I find it more exciting with the higher rev limit and vtec. The gearbox is magical but yes the feedback isnt great...please point out where i said it was :undecided:
The golf is a great car, i 'personally' do not find it exciting as i know alot of people dont, i also know of people that do though.
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Had loads of advanced driving training - With 100% on the police driving exam!
Might have just been the car then..
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You obviously could not drive then. I find it more exciting with the higher rev limit and vtec. The gearbox is magical but yes the feedback isnt great...please point out where i said it was :undecided:
The golf is a great car, i 'personally' do not find it exciting as i know alot of people dont, i also know of people that do though.
I have to say that for somebody that lives on the isle of wight, you cannot possibly drive the GTi and test its handling properly, as it only has one road thats any good (being Military road). the island has only minor roads!,and and an average age of 60 years old!. Get on the mainland with it!!. you might be surprised. :wink:
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There is actually quite alot of good roads. Military road is good if you want to go in a straight line but that gets boring fast!! Dont get me wrong im not putting the golf down bud, i loved it, just my type r excites me more. Maybe its because you have no idea if you may die round a corner in it lol (this forum needs a laughin smilie, this will do lol :grin:)
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i have experianced the Ctr aswell, and thought it was total pants.It only performed when you revv'ed the nuts out of it,which you cant do on a daily basis or where ear defenders when you do!.I was glad to hand it back to my mate, who's recently got shot of it, and bought a clio cup 197 instead. The Golf is a much more better prospect with pulling power in all rev's and not just over 5000rpm like the ctr :wink: :grin: :grin:
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Thats why i am getting kpro! Will give me launch control, drop vtec to 4.5k rpm and raise the limiter to 8500rpm. With a few brething mods (which i have) will give 230bhp and 0-60 in around 5.6 secs :evil:
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whats the famous quote.......... that Clarkson came out with
"if you buy a Honda, you end up with a Honda!" :wink:
No matter what you do to it, it will never be as good as the Golf GTi.
a simply Revo chip will do the same,. up the HP to 240 for £500 and you will have the beating of most performance hatches, especially the high revving tyre R.
I spose the only plus point of i could think of having a civic R would be it drowns out the wife when trying to have a quiet conversation whilst driving. One thing i'd wish the GTi would but doesnt :angry:
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Mine is very quite unless doing 100. Maybe you have been in the pre-facelift (less sound deadening)
hmmm
240bhp gti
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 183.62
230bhp ctr
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 194.10
I doubt you would 'beat it'
I think it comes down to preferences, the gti is a lazier older persons hothatch with subtle styling and low revving high torque engine. Ctr is for younger people who enjoy putting their foot down using the revs, with in your face styling. Both fantastic cars with good and bad points.
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the gti is a lazier older persons hothatch
im not that old you know!!!
Ctr is for younger people who enjoy putting their foot down using the revs, with in your face styling.
Aernt they more commonly known as "Chav's"
Both fantastic cars with good and bad points.
Agree with you on that point :smiley:
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I highly doubt chavs can afford a 200bhp hothatch let alone the insurance at group 17! :shocked:
It is amusing though that the average honda owner is 60+ and yet all type r drivers are averagely 24 i think we worked out on the ctr forum.
lol never said you were old but you can understand what i mean.
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I've driven both and can honestly say that the Vtec is harder work to drive fast. I agree that the GTI may be a lazy man's car - but only because it means that the power is more accessible at lower revs and therefore easier to drive faster and therefore a better solution for everyday fast road use.
I don't need to do anything to my motor to get a 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds as it can do that as standard :evil: (well 5.66 anyway :rolleyes:)
I can see the lure of a high revving hot hatch may prove too much for "the young ones", but with age comes wisdom and there lies the lure of the VW GOLF GTI. :smug:
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My ctr was running at 230bhp but it really cant get the power down,
Moved onto a 260bhp s3 and that was sooo much faster! Sold that for the ed30
The ed30 is even better still - Now I just have to resist a remap to 300bhp =]
When I had my ctr i used to think gti's where for old men to! =]
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My ctr was running at 230bhp but it really cant get the power down,
and I think the fact that my 300+bhp ed30 can put the power down beautifully (after a bit of practice), is a testiment to the quality of the GTi chassis etc. Luck1ng - give in... you know you want to... :evil: :wink:
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It is much better, but then its around £8,000 more expensive so i would hope it was tbh :smiley:
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I used my friends Honda S2000 which personally is a very nice looking car but when i drove it, didnt enjoy it asmuch as my GTI. No comfort what so ever, you feel every bump on the road, and i feel as if you really need to wait for the "v tec" to kick in. Car feels abit laggy till about 7000rpm and then u just get stuck in ur seat....not for me....i prefare my power all the way through....even thou the S2000 may be faster than my GTI....i think id still go with the GTI :smiley:
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this is true! your definately in for a treat with a new GTI on the way!! :smiley:
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S2000 is old skool vtec, much more raw with less power and torque low down than the k20a (mine) Get it round a bend/roundabout and you will struggle to find anything more fun being rear wheel drive with a fantastic set-up. As a daily car the gti wins easily bud, thats what makes it very good as it does eveything :cool:
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Hopefully push it as hard as my ctr, no idea what the gti's are like in handling!
....Taking your car to a one-day CarLimits course with Andy Walsh on North Weald airfield is a very good way of experiencing the absolute limits of your car.
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There is a mac driving course you can do with ex police dirvers who show you the limits safely on the road. So much better than an airfield! Want to get it done if i am going to the nurburg next year i will do it before. It was free when you bought a ctr but they stopped doing it last year :cry:
Im going to drive an elise, wrx, ferrari f355 and 911 on friday on an airfield (present last minute.com) Will see if they let me have a quick blast on it with mine (highly highly doubtful tho lol :grin: )
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I think it comes down to preferences, the gti is a lazier older persons hothatch with subtle styling and low revving high torque engine. Ctr is for younger people who enjoy putting their foot down using the revs, with in your face styling. Both fantastic cars with good and bad points.
....Here's one 60yo who doesn't totally agree with you.
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Its price tag alone puts it in a catogory out of most peoples reach i.e. older business men and woman.
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This reminds me of the Clio Sport vs CTR Threads on cliosport.net lol
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Its price tag alone puts it in a catogory out of most peoples reach i.e. older business men and woman.
....True. :cool: I don't mind growing old, just as long as I don't have to grow up.
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This reminds me of the Clio Sport vs CTR Threads on cliosport.net lol
Why? Other than a few comparisons there isnt realy a 'my car is better than yours' thing going on! I love both cars, most on here prefer the golf but havnt said they hated the ctr which is fair enough and what i would expect.
I think the forum and most people are very good on here. Alot better than most, where as soon as i had come on with a different car i would have been flamed!!
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Just to add my experience.
CTR = Raw, loud and feels like you're going 1,000,000 miles an hour. It's a great car to go out and have fun in
Gti = Refined, doesn't feel as fast BUT you could easily lose your license as you do not realise just how quick you are going! It's a car that you can live with AND have fun in.
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In a perfect world i would own both. A ctr for the short fun runs and a gti for the motorways and general driving. That way i could grin all the time :evil:
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In a perfect world i would own both. A ctr for the short fun runs and a gti for the motorways and general driving. That way i could grin all the time :evil:
....But if you remap and also mod suspension, brakes, etc etc, wouldn't you only need the GTI? - It's a great allrounder.
Check out JKM at Portsmouth - Small family biz and highly thought of by Revo.
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You can do the same to the ctr. Brembos, lsd and a fast road setup will see of nearly everything on a corner! But yes you could do that to the gti mate!
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I love my GTI just because im 18 and all my friends drive around in bangers :grin: Not only that but i treat it as if its the world to me, wouldnt change it for a thing (apart from ED30) Im quite curious to drive a CTR thou, unfortunatley all the people around gib who own CTR's are like in their 20's to 30's and think they own the world....did get to have a go at an S2000 which apparantley has the same engine but wasnt to happy with that either...must say it looks f'ing lovely!! :smiley:
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"if you buy a honda , you end up with a honda" nuff said :wink:
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"if you buy a honda , you end up with a honda" nuff said :wink:
Il stick with my VW :)....Puts more than a smile on my face :wink:
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"if you buy a honda , you end up with a honda" nuff said :wink:
Yeah, a manufacturer that has had 3 cars (jazz, civic and s2000) voted the best cars to own for the last few years. Im happy with that :grin:
Manu_gti cheers bud. For some reason people seem to think owning a type r is the best thing in the world! S2000 has a completely different engine mate, old skool vtec with very little power low down but abit more up top.
You are a lucky man mate to have a gti at 18, i had a 1.1 fiesta lol
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I had a clio sport before...still have it just abit wrecked :angry: lol Put up with more than enough leon drivers, CTR drivers and SLK drivers on the motorway in spain...funny how some of them stayed abit shocked lol
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You can do the same to the ctr. Brembos, lsd and a fast road setup will see of nearly everything on a corner! But yes you could do that to the gti mate!
Yebut - you are still left with that god-damned awful v-tec!
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No as it drops it to 4.5k rpm smoothing it out (i.e. no kick just constant power upping bhp and torque throughout the rev range). Giving 180 wheel horsepower (230 at the fly)
This makes it a very capable track car with the ability to beat most things on track (with brembos etc - which the jdm got as standard)
Im going to supercharge in a year or so giving the same bhp/ton ratio as an aston martin vanquish :evil:
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You can do the same to the ctr. Brembos, lsd and a fast road setup will see of nearly everything on a corner! But yes you could do that to the gti mate!
Yebut - you are still left with that god-damned awful v-tec!
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Sorry for like the massive spam but the vtec just kicked in :grin:
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Hehehee...people here in Gibraltar are completley obsessed with Honda's and the whole V Tec thing...when i got the email with all these pics i burst out laughing :grin:
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Most honda people bang out about vtec being the best thing ever. Its good, but nothing special! Does amaze me though when i can keep up with turbo hatches with the same litre engine sometimes :evil:
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I Guess it is good but i must give you some credit for putting up with our " V tec jokes" and not getting offended....other CTR drivers tend to be like...if u make fun of my civic il run you over :wink:
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lol most are not bad, just a bad rep unfortunatly mate! I have more of those vtec pics than have been posted, we always get them out on the ctro forum :grin:
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lol most are not bad, just a bad rep unfortunatly mate! I have more of those vtec pics than have been posted, we always get them out on the ctro forum :grin:
post post post...i can make fun of my friend....He Drives an Accord Type S (2.4 I Vtec) I think...well atleast he drove one...he over took a car and didnt see a girl on a scooter infront of the car...he hit the girl on the bike...me and my friends solution...the V Tec Kicked in xD Poor guy lol
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lol well being a type s i doubt the vtec 'kicked' in :grin:
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lol well being a type s i doubt the vtec 'kicked' in :grin:
Still worked to piss him off :grin:
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harry Ramsdens. :laugh: