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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Manu_R32 on 29 June 2007, 00:13
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Just raced an R32 here in Gib, i am very impressed by both cars perfomance. I over took the golf on the runway, i guess he unexpected it then later on, on another straight he over took me i didnt expect it, so i just had to knock down a gear and chase him. (I love the sound of the R32's Exhaust!!!) I was very very impressed that i had been able to catch up with him just before we entered a round about. Then we had to go up a hill which he just embarresed me to bits lol. It was as if he shot up the hill and i guess he had the advanted of the 4WD. The hill had one major curve which he just flew through and i had to brake quite a bit. I knocked down a gear to try and catch up then i messed up again! Instead of going from second to third, i went from second to fifth and it just sounded :sick: I am really really convinced that an R32 should be my next car. I have found some one whos very interested in my car and is willing to pay £15,000 ( I Bought it for 16,500 three months ago) I was plannin on upgrading to a full spec GTI but a 5 Door and not 3. Would it be worth investing that extra bit of cash and get myself an R32? Comments please as i really need help deciding!
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e30
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I think its gonna be a bit hard to try and get an E30 in Gib. I think they will also attempt to sell me any GTI or R32 first as they are just in the garage collecting dust lol. But wel see, il make a trip to the dealers tomorrow to enquire i guess...Any other comments and stuff, maybe some one here as driven/owned both cars and give me the pros and cons :smiley:
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E30 :evil:
Come to the UK and buy one :cool:
Get a nearly new one and have a remap at the same time :evil:
300+bhp.....You know you want to :evil: :evil: :evil:
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I have owned all 3 - standard GTI, Ed30 and a Mk5 R32. The R32 is much better than the standard GTI IMHO and brought a bigger smile to my face than the Ed30 did. It sounds awesome and I've spent the past few nights just looking at photos of Mk5 R32s on the net, reading about them and wishing I still had mine. Saying that, I have an Edition 30 on order again for October but I plan to have both on my drive as I will probably get a 2nd hand Mk5 R32 next year in the spring - and keep the Ed 30.
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two completely different cars, IMHO, two different approaches to hot hatch.
If you need 4x4 - get R32. Remember, though, it costs more to run it.
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If you can afford it, get the R32, I did a don't regret it for a minuet, forget all the talk of this one's quicker here, and that one's quicker there, in the real world of driving they are so close, but the R32 is a car that just feels so good, sounds good, and there aren’t so many about.
Listen to Illyun, here's a bloke who tried them all, and he still look's back to his R32 with fondness.
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Just make sure it's black :wink:
Cass
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...and make sure you can afford it
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...and make sure you can afford it
There isn't much difference TBH, I regularly get 30 MPG road tax is nasty, but he lives in Gib , so i don't know that applies.
Exaample on 10,000 mile per year
30 MPG from the R32
34 from a GTi
38 gallons difference
£169 a year, £3.25 per week.
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I Think the road tax here is about £40 at the moment on my GTI per year. Dont know if it will be much more on the R32. If i plan on getting it would be nearly new from Germany and deffinatley not brand new. I can get a descent R32 from Germany for £18,000 about the price of a new GTI. Around 12,000 Kms, Sat Nav, Leather, Xenons,(Standard on R32) Armrest, Highline Comp, Multifunction Steering Wheel and the mobile thingi. I can reclaim VAT which is a good thing aswell but i will then need to pay customs to like import the car. That costs 10% of the cars value. I can more or less afford the car, my dad has also agreed to chip in what i need so i just need to make sure i sell my GTI then i can make a trip to Germany :smiley: Will make a trip to the stealers now as i have just woke up (summer life lol) Will keep you guys posted and thanx for the comments and help :smiley:
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I ran a standard Mk5 Gti last year and I liked it but I traded for an R32 which I love :drool:, it just gets under my skin like no other car I've owned, of course I live in Ireland so there aren't many about as the road tax here is £980 (1380euro), but its worth it :cool:
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Ithe road tax here is £980 (1380euro), but its worth it :cool:
I won't complain again :shocked:
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Cass
....Not quite a no-brainer. The GTI feels much more agile and responsive to drive. The R32 feels much heavier to drive. Yes it has excellent traction but not significantly more performance and the GTI can be modded far more easily. Great V6 exhaust music but drinks more fuel. They're both excellent cars and it's just down to test driving both and personal preference.
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Cass
..... The GTI feels much more agile and responsive to drive.
Having owned both, I can honestly say that wasn't what I found, yes the GTi is lighter, but a little weezy above 4500 rpm where as the "R" still keeps pulling.
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Cass
....Not quite a no-brainer. The GTI feels much more agile and responsive to drive. The R32 feels much heavier to drive. Yes it has excellent traction but not significantly more performance and the GTI can be modded far more easily. Great V6 exhaust music but drinks more fuel. They're both excellent cars and it's just down to test driving both and personal preference.
RR - Agreed. I had the option of buying an R32 when I got the GTI. I tried both back to back. I've always liked FWD and 4WD motors and both have different handling characteristics. After the test drives my wife said "Well......" My response was "It's like driving an old friend" and chose the GTI. The R32 is a bit more of a beast, but also a bit bling in some respects. I prefer the more understated look. That said, everyone should have the option of driving/owning an R32 and it is always sensible to test drive it back to back with a GTI.
Cass
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Cass
..... The GTI feels much more agile and responsive to drive.
Having owned both, I can honestly say that wasn't what I found, yes the GTi is lighter, but a little weezy above 4500 rpm where as the "R" still keeps pulling.
That's why he needs an ED30 :rolleyes: pulls like a train :evil:
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Cass
..... The GTI feels much more agile and responsive to drive.
Having owned both, I can honestly say that wasn't what I found, yes the GTi is lighter, but a little weezy above 4500 rpm where as the "R" still keeps pulling.
....I forget sometimes that mine is modded and keeps pulling at higher revs. Yes, the .:R has plenty of 'grunt' - It's a great car.
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Went to the stealers today, they were asking £27,000 pounds for an R32, including Zenons, Leather, DSG, Arm Rest....was abit shocked. Asked about the ED30 he said they are not Available here in Spain or Gibraltar (we get our cars from spain) and its a model made exclusive for the UK as they have the biggest market for hot hatches. I think im gonna go to Germany, i have seen about 4 to 5 R32's availbale for about 28,000 euros which is around £19,000 for an R32 (not bad imo) I am looking for something with, Sat Nav, Leather, Front Amrest with 6 CD Changer, Multi Functional Steering Wheel, Xenons, Parking Sensors....Anything else i should try and find?? I beleive the highline computer is included with the steering wheel?
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Went to the stealers today, they were asking £27,000 pounds for an R32, including Zenons, Leather, DSG, Arm Rest....was abit shocked. Asked about the ED30 he said they are not Available here in Spain or Gibraltar (we get our cars from spain) and its a model made exclusive for the UK as they have the biggest market for hot hatches. I think im gonna go to Germany, i have seen about 4 to 5 R32's availbale for about 28,000 euros which is around £19,000 for an R32 (not bad imo) I am looking for something with, Sat Nav, Leather, Front Amrest with 6 CD Changer, Multi Functional Steering Wheel, Xenons, Parking Sensors....Anything else i should try and find?? I beleive the highline computer is included with the steering wheel?
Reading all the posts so far I should add the following:
1. I found that the R32 quite noticeably drank more fuel than my standard GTI - about 25% more... maybe it was because I just couldn't stop listening to that awesome V6 engine :evil:
2. The R32 is heavier than the GTI and so less nimble - it is notcieable but very subtle.
3. Everything else about the R32 is just great and if I had to choose between a standard GTI and the R32 there would be no contest - the R32 wins hands down. Thats just my preferance.
4. Listen to me and get the R32 if you can afford it - you won't regret it :wink:
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Affording is not a problem, i dont see why i should pay £27,000 on a standard R32 when i can get a ticket to germany for £200 and getan R32 for about 10k Cheaper. I think any one in their right mind would do so lol. Illyun...sometimes isnt heavier better, especially with the advantage of 4WD? :huh: Not to sure lol. I would love to use an R32 though before i do go and make any major decisions. :smiley:
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No brainer - R32. Better traction, more power and better exhaust note :smug:
Cass
..... The GTI feels much more agile and responsive to drive.
Having owned both, I can honestly say that wasn't what I found, yes the GTi is lighter, but a little weezy above 4500 rpm where as the "R" still keeps pulling.
That's why he needs an ED30 :rolleyes: pulls like a train :evil:
Yeah get an ED30 if you can! Just as quick as an R in standard, but get it remapped and it will demolish an R! (Speaking from experience :evil:) Gotta love the R exhaust note though, I miss it :cry: Hopefully the Milltek will help :wink:
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Hopefully the Milltek will help :wink:
....A Milltek Non-Resonated will make your GTI sound as good as any 4-pot could sound. It'll take a thousand or so miles to mature but is worth it. Obviously it's never going to sound like that R32 V6.
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True, it 'burbles' quite nicely as it is, but I'm sure a Milltek will make it sound a bit more 'meaty'.
I'm still undecided on letting Milltek have my ED30 to develop an exhaust.. I'm sure they would look after it but I think I think I'd rather just buy one once its ready, don't feel comfortable having my car as a test subject! free exhaust is tempting though! :undecided:
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The Milltek non-res catback might not make as much difference to the exhaust note on the Ed30 as you might think. On my previous GTi, the non-res catback was a considerable improvement on the stock exhaust, a richer, deeper note without any booming. However, my Ed30, after around 5000 miles has matured nicely, and the exhaust note is already comparable to the non-res catback on the GTi. I had originally considered a Milltek as a must-have mod for the Ed30 - now I'm not so sure...
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True, it 'burbles' quite nicely as it is, but I'm sure a Milltek will make it sound a bit more 'meaty'.
I'm still undecided on letting Milltek have my ED30 to develop an exhaust.. I'm sure they would look after it but I think I think I'd rather just buy one once its ready, don't feel comfortable having my car as a test subject! free exhaust is tempting though! :undecided:
Don't you know the're gonna thrash it to get the best performance figures :shocked:
Free/cheap exhaust BUT..........................................................
Cass
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The Milltek non-res catback might not make as much difference to the exhaust note on the Ed30 as you might think. On my previous GTi, the non-res catback was a considerable improvement on the stock exhaust, a richer, deeper note without any booming. However, my Ed30, after around 5000 miles has matured nicely, and the exhaust note is already comparable to the non-res catback on the GTi. I had originally considered a Milltek as a must-have mod for the Ed30 - now I'm not so sure...
it's not just the sound that matters...
Uphill winding roads - Ed30 will not catch R32, I think, because of the FWD. Are there many roadss like that in Gibraltar?
I personally do not like the look of R32, especially the middle-place exhaust pipes, the chrome in the front. It looks bulkier than GTI, imho. :lipsrsealed:
I've read a lot about R before deciding, it is an animal, but it is expensive to buy, run, insure...
If I had the money I am not so sure I wouldn't buy R32, though I looked more at S3. :undecided:
Saw white S3 with Recaro sits and black BBS 19" wheels yesterday at the dealers, sweeet :cool:
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The S3 is a very very nice car but the only reason why im getting rid of my GTI is because its a 3 door. I Beleive you cant get the S3 in 5 door either and its only available in 3. Apart from that i feel its a bit over priced! £27,000 or 40,000 Euros! Just a question i had regarding to the R32. The telephone preparation thing, does any one know what phones you can use on it? Or is it just a particular brand such as Sony Ericsson or Nokia? And regarding to the Colour, Red, Silver, Black or Blue? All the colours look very very nice but just cant make up my mind!
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An oettinger A3 Sportline might suit you, Manu.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/oettingerA3_side.jpg)
Those quad xzorsts are a bit chavvy though aren't they? :wink: :grin:
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An oettinger A3 Sportline might suit you, Manu.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/oettingerA3_side.jpg)
Those quad xzorsts are a bit chavvy though aren't they? :wink: :grin:
F*ing nice car! Chavs dont really exist in Gibraltar, we just ignore them lol. Very nice car thou!
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S3 is way too expensive, I agree.
5 door hatch is not for me (at the moment). Besides, I do not like the look of 5-door hatch. M5 or RS4 with 5 doors is quite OK, though. :smug:
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S3 is way too expensive, I agree.
5 door hatch is not for me (at the moment). Besides, I do not like the look of 5-door hatch. M5 or RS4 with 5 doors is quite OK, though. :smug:
lol, i had a look at an S4 but i dont even wanna bother quoting for insurance on one of them, and for an M5, i want my dad to buy one so it would be wrong for me to try and get one lol
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S3 is way too expensive, I agree.
5 door hatch is not for me (at the moment). Besides, I do not like the look of 5-door hatch. M5 or RS4 with 5 doors is quite OK, though. :smug:
lol, i had a look at an S4 but i dont even wanna bother quoting for insurance on one of them, and for an M5, i want my dad to buy one so it would be wrong for me to try and get one lol
nice to have supportive parents!
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S3 is way too expensive, I agree.
5 door hatch is not for me (at the moment). Besides, I do not like the look of 5-door hatch. M5 or RS4 with 5 doors is quite OK, though. :smug:
lol, i had a look at an S4 but i dont even wanna bother quoting for insurance on one of them, and for an M5, i want my dad to buy one so it would be wrong for me to try and get one lol
nice to have supportive parents!
Indeed! I love them to bits lol
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S3 is way too expensive, I agree.
5 door hatch is not for me (at the moment). Besides, I do not like the look of 5-door hatch. M5 or RS4 with 5 doors is quite OK, though. :smug:
lol, i had a look at an S4 but i dont even wanna bother quoting for insurance on one of them, and for an M5, i want my dad to buy one so it would be wrong for me to try and get one lol
nice to have supportive parents!
Indeed! I love them to bits lol
:smiley: fabulous!
saw R32 in a shop yesterday... I am definitely not R32-guy :embarassed:
Anyway, ManuGTI, I think I can congratulate you on your new car already! :smiley:
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S3 is way too expensive, I agree.
5 door hatch is not for me (at the moment). Besides, I do not like the look of 5-door hatch. M5 or RS4 with 5 doors is quite OK, though. :smug:
lol, i had a look at an S4 but i dont even wanna bother quoting for insurance on one of them, and for an M5, i want my dad to buy one so it would be wrong for me to try and get one lol
Thanks but may still be to soon! The guy that wanted to buy my car decided to go on holiday some where in spain (F*CKER) so now i need to wait for him to get back before anything can happen with the car unless i find another buyer!
nice to have supportive parents!
Indeed! I love them to bits lol
:smiley: fabulous!
saw R32 in a shop yesterday... I am definitely not R32-guy :embarassed:
Anyway, ManuGTI, I think I can congratulate you on your new car already! :smiley:
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OK, now I found our reply in the middle there.. :smiley:
So it will take some time, but R32 is as good as in your garage!
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lol...sorry! I got back from the coast at 9am this morning and tried to reply, i guess it didnt work...lol...well basically the guy that is interested in my car has gone out of Gibraltar for holiday so i need to wait for him to get back before anything can happen with the car, unless i find another buyer! Im looking for around 16k Which i think is reasonable, 18 months old, 33k Km's on the clock, and the car is in mint condition! Not to sure about what colour i want the R32 thou...Red, Blue, Silver or Black?? I think they all look really good but im really liking the Red and Blue!!
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lol...sorry! I got back from the coast at 9am this morning and tried to reply, i guess it didnt work...lol...well basically the guy that is interested in my car has gone out of Gibraltar for holiday so i need to wait for him to get back before anything can happen with the car, unless i find another buyer! Im looking for around 16k Which i think is reasonable, 18 months old, 33k Km's on the clock, and the car is in mint condition! Not to sure about what colour i want the R32 thou...Red, Blue, Silver or Black?? I think they all look really good but im really liking the Red and Blue!!
silver - grandpa's color
black - tooooooo common and conservative
red - garish, insurance may be higher :wink:
blue - Zi Original R32 paint, mmmm
Did I make myself clear? :smug:
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blue is mint!!! :wink: hehe
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The R32's blue is Deep Blue Pearlescent (not Laser Blue as the GTI) and is a very rich colour. The Tornado Red is a very deep red and pics don't do it justice - also much more unusual for an .:R.
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lol...sorry! I got back from the coast at 9am this morning and tried to reply, i guess it didnt work...lol...well basically the guy that is interested in my car has gone out of Gibraltar for holiday so i need to wait for him to get back before anything can happen with the car, unless i find another buyer! Im looking for around 16k Which i think is reasonable, 18 months old, 33k Km's on the clock, and the car is in mint condition! Not to sure about what colour i want the R32 thou...Red, Blue, Silver or Black?? I think they all look really good but im really liking the Red and Blue!!
silver - grandpa's color
black - tooooooo common and conservative
red - garish, insurance may be higher :wink:
blue - Zi Original R32 paint, mmmm
Did I make myself clear? :smug:
What do you mean silver is a Grandpa's colour...you young cheeky whippersnapper. If I get hold of my zimmerframe i'll be after you like like a shot :rolleyes: :wink:
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Deep Blue Pearl... it the only sensible choice :smiley:
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Deep Blue Pearl... it the only sensible choice :smiley:
....And it's unique to both Mk4 and Mk5 R32's - A tradition!
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Deep blue pearl it is then :smiley: Think iv more or less made my mind, iv got 1001 questions which i want to ask but il just start getting annoying and dont want people to think, this 18 year old is nagging because he is bored! Thanks for the help and i guess as soon as anything happens, i will keep you guys posted!! :grin: Wish me luck :smiley:
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Deep blue pearl it is then :smiley: Think iv more or less made my mind, iv got 1001 questions which i want to ask but il just start getting annoying and dont want people to think, this 18 year old is nagging because he is bored! Thanks for the help and i guess as soon as anything happens, i will keep you guys posted!! :grin: Wish me luck :smiley:
Good luck mate... I've got to post some of my Mk5 R32 (Deep Blue Pearl) in Gibraltar pics. Just so you know how it will look. :wink: It was parked at the Elliot Hotel for a week when I went to Morocco - I wasn't going to take it there under any circumstances!
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Deep blue pearl it is then :smiley: Think iv more or less made my mind, iv got 1001 questions which i want to ask but il just start getting annoying and dont want people to think, this 18 year old is nagging because he is bored! Thanks for the help and i guess as soon as anything happens, i will keep you guys posted!! :grin: Wish me luck :smiley:
Ask away :smiley:
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lol...sorry! I got back from the coast at 9am this morning and tried to reply, i guess it didnt work...lol...well basically the guy that is interested in my car has gone out of Gibraltar for holiday so i need to wait for him to get back before anything can happen with the car, unless i find another buyer! Im looking for around 16k Which i think is reasonable, 18 months old, 33k Km's on the clock, and the car is in mint condition! Not to sure about what colour i want the R32 thou...Red, Blue, Silver or Black?? I think they all look really good but im really liking the Red and Blue!!
silver - grandpa's color
black - tooooooo common and conservative
red - garish, insurance may be higher :wink:
blue - Zi Original R32 paint, mmmm
Did I make myself clear? :smug:
What do you mean silver is a Grandpa's colour...you young cheeky whippersnapper. If I get hold of my zimmerframe i'll be after you like like a shot :rolleyes: :wink:
yeah, yeah, daddy-o! catch me if you can! :laugh: :evil:
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Deep Blue Pearl is my favourate Golf colour and if i was to buy my GTI again i would import a GTI in that colour.
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So black is out of the question then??
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=59943.0
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=56527.0
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Black is a lovely colour mate, my GTI is black and i think it looks really good, there are two R32's in Gib in black and one in Blue and they both look lovely but...they both need to be taken care of very very well! Im a lazy guy there isnt much else to say lol, i started cleaning my GTI the other day and by the time i cleaned half the car, i got to hot and tired so i just stopped lol. Illyun, please post the pics of your golf in Gib, im trying to think back in time because for some reason i have an idea i saw it, what did you think of Gib aswell lol. Another question i had, which im surrrrrrrre you guys dont mind me asking is...the Recaro Seats "Sport Seats Option" or the normal seats but just in leather? I think silver is out of my options now, sorry guys! Really loving the red thou, reminds me of a Mini Ferrari!
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I can empathise with the cleaning of them. I have not done mine for a month now as i have been away traveling around everywhere and just not had the chance. Over here in Germany it is illegal to wash your own car, so finding a decent car wash where the rollers wont damage your car is hard and i cringe everytime i get out after a wash!!
The pics i took in my signature block was the last time i cleaned it!!
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Whys it illegal to clean your own car :undecided:
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Over here in Germany it is illegal to wash your own car
What?? You serious - why? :huh:
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my next car is eitehr going to be an R32 in black or a new TT in black!
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Oh, there's a whole host of things you can't do over here - washing the car is illegal due to the drainage systems they have, They dont want chemicals going down the drain. However it states you cannot wsh them on a public street, only provate property! Other things you cant do are as follows:
1. Illegal to hang washing out on a Sunday
2. Illegal to cut grass on a Sunday
3. Infact most labour tasks cannot be done on a Sunday
3. No trucks on motorways (autobahns) on weekends (unless they contain perishables - dairy stuff etc) - this is actually a good one, roads are so quiet, in fact most motorways are only 2 lanes
4. Illegal to Run out of fuel
5. Illegal to drive with parking lights on, must be dipped
6. It is illegal to publicly humiliate another person. If it's proven that you gave a certain other driver the finger (Stinkefinger), you are subject to a €1125 fine! Tapping your forehead or passing your hand in front of your eyes is considered just as insulting! And a gesture of thumb and index finger circled together may be the worst!
7. There are no cats eyes either on the roads which makes night driving quite a pain!
8. You are however alowed to use your mobile whilst driving - although i do not condone this (i am bluetooth)
There are many wierd and wonderful laws
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my next car is eitehr going to be an R32 in black or a new TT in black!
COME ON YOU BLACKS!!!
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my next car is eitehr going to be an R32 in black or a new TT in black!
COME ON YOU BLACKS!!!
Realised there are different shades of black you can get for your VW, what shade is yours micalee?
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VERY DARK!!
No seriously, its Black Magic, Pearl I think they call it. Its not metalic anyway. I do like the metalic, but the solid black gives a deeper shine and darker colour in my opinion
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VERY DARK!!
No seriously, its Black Magic, Pearl I think they call it. Its not metalic anyway. I do like the metalic, but the solid black gives a deeper shine and darker colour in my opinion
Pearl Escent Magic Black
Same colour as my GTI :cool:
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Thats the badger!!
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what is the price of an R32 these days?
£24,000
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http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/cars_search.jsp?searchform=&modelexact=1&lid=search_used_cars_full&photo=1&state=block&sort=3&hassearched=Y&make=VOLKSWAGEN&min_pr=18000&source=0&model=GOLF&max_pr=&miles=1500&agerange=&mileage=&postcode=tn26+1lf&variant=r32&bodyid=0&trim=&fuelid=0&colour=&transmissionid=0&keywords=&ukcarsearch_full.x=35&ukcarsearch_full.y=13
Probably starting off from £22K onwards
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I'll post the rest of the pics over this coming weekend - honest :wink: - as I've been meaning to finish that Tour thread of for ages. I was in Gibraltar from the 25th December - arrived very late from Turin, Italy via Barcelona and it was one hell of a drive. The car was left at the Elliot hotel for 7 days and then I arrived back at Gibraltar on the 1st January and left on the 2nd after spending an unscheduled day there - was meant to go to Granada but Gibraltar was too nice to just use as a stopping point. I drove from the UK to Belgium, France, Switzerland, Italy, France again, Spain and then took a ferry to Morocco where I spent 7 days. Then I drove to Granada and Cordoba and went back to the UK via Madrid, Poitier and Versailles - was running a bit early for the Ferry so thought I'd pop over and see the Palace at Versailles. It took 19 days in all. Out of all the places I went to Gibraltar was in the top 3 - it felt like being back in the UK again and was a nice break from the tour so to speak - plus it's a lot warmer and scenic. :smiley:
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I'll post the rest of the pics over this coming weekend - honest :wink: - as I've been meaning to finish that Tour thread of for ages. I was in Gibraltar from the 25th December - arrived very late from Turin, Italy via Barcelona and it was one hell of a drive. The car was left at the Elliot hotel for 7 days and then I arrived back at Gibraltar on the 1st January and left on the 2nd after spending an unscheduled day there - was meant to go to Granada but Gibraltar was too nice to just use as a stopping point. I drove from the UK to Belgium, France, Switzerland, Italy, France again, Spain and then took a ferry to Morocco where I spent 7 days. Then I drove to Granada and Cordoba and went back to the UK via Madrid, Poitier and Versailles - was running a bit early for the Ferry so thought I'd pop over and see the Palace at Versailles. It took 19 days in all. Out of all the places I went to Gibraltar was in the top 3 - it felt like being back in the UK again and was a nice break from the tour so to speak - plus it's a lot warmer and scenic. :smiley:
Interesting!! Come back to Gib for a while now u know some one here! :grin:
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I'll post the rest of the pics over this coming weekend - honest :wink: - as I've been meaning to finish that Tour thread of for ages. I was in Gibraltar from the 25th December - arrived very late from Turin, Italy via Barcelona and it was one hell of a drive. The car was left at the Elliot hotel for 7 days and then I arrived back at Gibraltar on the 1st January and left on the 2nd after spending an unscheduled day there - was meant to go to Granada but Gibraltar was too nice to just use as a stopping point. I drove from the UK to Belgium, France, Switzerland, Italy, France again, Spain and then took a ferry to Morocco where I spent 7 days. Then I drove to Granada and Cordoba and went back to the UK via Madrid, Poitier and Versailles - was running a bit early for the Ferry so thought I'd pop over and see the Palace at Versailles. It took 19 days in all. Out of all the places I went to Gibraltar was in the top 3 - it felt like being back in the UK again and was a nice break from the tour so to speak - plus it's a lot warmer and scenic. :smiley:
Interesting!! Come back to Gib for a while now u know some one here! :grin:
I'm seriously thinking of doing just that... in my Edition 30 :evil:
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I'll post the rest of the pics over this coming weekend - honest :wink: - as I've been meaning to finish that Tour thread of for ages. I was in Gibraltar from the 25th December - arrived very late from Turin, Italy via Barcelona and it was one hell of a drive. The car was left at the Elliot hotel for 7 days and then I arrived back at Gibraltar on the 1st January and left on the 2nd after spending an unscheduled day there - was meant to go to Granada but Gibraltar was too nice to just use as a stopping point. I drove from the UK to Belgium, France, Switzerland, Italy, France again, Spain and then took a ferry to Morocco where I spent 7 days. Then I drove to Granada and Cordoba and went back to the UK via Madrid, Poitier and Versailles - was running a bit early for the Ferry so thought I'd pop over and see the Palace at Versailles. It took 19 days in all. Out of all the places I went to Gibraltar was in the top 3 - it felt like being back in the UK again and was a nice break from the tour so to speak - plus it's a lot warmer and scenic. :smiley:
Interesting!! Come back to Gib for a while now u know some one here! :grin:
I'm seriously thinking of doing just that... in my Edition 30 :evil:
So do so!! The weather here is really really nice, very very sunny :cool: Im sure you will enjoy it! I will be in london as from the 10th of July if any one wants to meet up lol :grin:
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Allow me to throw some spanners into the mix, regarding the GTI vs R32 debate.
Firstly, I'll start by stating the R32 is a very fine car, but, IMHO, it is no better than a GTI or Ed30 !!
OK, the good points of the R32 - it has a V6 engine. That is it!
Now for the bad points of the R32 - it has a V6 engine, or to be more precise, a narrow angle VR6 engine. This has very limited scope for tuning, on a whole range of issues. Secondly, it is considerably more heavier than the 4-pot GTI engine. This extra mass up front causes noticeable understeer (as reported by virtually all the motoring press), whereas the GTI has never been accused of suffering from understeer.
The R32 will use about 30% more petrol compared to a GTI.
The R32 will cost more to maintain compared to a GTI.
The R32 will cost more to insure compared to a GTI.
The R32 also has a noticeably smaller boot, compared to the GTI.
And the real issue which a lot of people don't understand (and the stealers salesmen/women won't tell you) - it does NOT have permanent, full time four wheel drive. Under normal driving conditions, on normal roads, only the front wheels are driven. Power is only sent to the rears, in some kind of glorified "traction control" system, using the nasty Haldex coupling. With the Haldex, you need to have it serviced every 40k miles, and it is a pain in the ar$e to do. You also need to ensure that you have 4 identical tyres, particularly in tread wear.
Like I said above, the R32 is a good car, but it is relying soley on the "kudos" of being the "pinacle" of the Golf range. If you absolutely must have the largest capacity engine, or 6 cylinders instead of four, or the "claim" of four wheel drive - then the R32 will be the car for you.
However, if you want the best handling Golf, or the most "tuneable" Golf, or the most economical "performance" Golf - then either the GTI or the Ed30 will be better than the R32.
I now don my flame-proof coat, and await further discussion, and clarification of any of my points! :wink: :wink:
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Interesting......love your sig btw!!!
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Interesting......love your sig btw!!!
Don't take the pi$$ out of that one, or the hairy ba$tard will return!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Interesting......love your sig btw!!!
Don't take the pi$$ out of that one, or the hairy ba$tard will return!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I actually do like it lol, find it quite funny :grin:
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Its different, unique, dam outrageous
I like :smiley:
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I like TT's new sig too - Rude but very funny and inoffensive :smiley:
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Teutonic Tamer, shouldn't you be playing with your new friends on the Audi RS4 forum? After all I thought this was a Volkswagon forum - for VOLKSWAGON OWNERS? Bye bye.
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Gosh that's incredibly rude, Rog.
TT is a Golf GTi owner and a most valuable and venerable member of this community ....
Unless of course it was a feeble attempt at humour - which IMHO failed miserably.
Keep it friendly please!
Oh and it's Volkswagen, BTW
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....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.
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....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.
moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine
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TT May Drive an RS4 but hes still cool! Always helps out and gives long speeches/lectures on the forums....and always has the funniest sigs :grin:
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Teutonic Tamer, shouldn't you be playing with your new friends on the Audi RS4 forum? After all I thought this was a Volkswagon forum - for VOLKSWAGON OWNERS? Bye bye.
Are you wearing your driving glasses "dear"? Do you need new lenses in your bi-focals?
Oh, I know, your daily medication is affecting you vision!! :rolleyes:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/hugespliff.jpg)
BTW, do learn to spell, old chap!
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....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.
moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine
Which one?? (Hint: it's not the S3, because nothing shares that :wink:). :smiley:
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....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.
moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine
Which one?? (Hint: it's not the S3, because nothing shares that :wink:). :smiley:
S3 engine with smaller intercooler. Ed30 engine is "updated" GTI engine, ain't it?
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I thought GTI had a Audi FSI Engine with a turbocharger?? :undecided:
Or at least thats what I was told. In SA here we get the FSI engine alone as an option and then the GTI gets the Audi FSI engine with some extra power etc?
Unconfuse me please
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....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.
moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine
Which one?? (Hint: it's not the S3, because nothing shares that :wink:). :smiley:
S3 engine with smaller intercooler. Ed30 engine is "updated" GTI engine, ain't it?
Wrong!!! :rolleyes:
No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine. The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc. Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.
The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map). The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. :nerd:
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I thought GTI had a Audi FSI Engine with a turbocharger?? :undecided:
It does, and the "basic" terminology of the 2 litre FSI turbo lump is used in many VAG products, in both conventional layout (Audi A4) and transverse layout (Audi A3, S3, VW Passat, Golf GTI, Ed30, Seat Leon Cupra, Skoda Octavia vRS).
However, just like the older 1.8 20 valve turbo, which came in many different power outputs, there was a variety of "methods" used to achieve the differing power outputs. These ranged from simple ECU changes, all the way to completely different internals, like on the Mk1 TT 225PS, and the older S3.
Or at least thats what I was told. In SA here we get the FSI engine alone as an option and then the GTI gets the Audi FSI engine with some extra power etc?
Unconfuse me please
Same here, you can get the normally aspriated (ie non-turbo) 2 litre FSI, rated at 150PS, and then the turbo charged version, with power outputs of 200PS, 230PS, 240PS and 265PS.
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No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine. The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc. Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.
The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map). The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. :nerd:
The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.
from etka..
turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK
Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035
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No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine. The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc. Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.
The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map). The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. :nerd:
The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.
from etka..
turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK
Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035
I think you're wrong on that count TT... unless you have further evidence. Or is it the subtle difference between pistons and the engine block that I don't understand?
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Mr TT Esquire, I was only taking the Michael as you probably guessed - I'm just jealous of your RS4 ( who wouldn't be? and I just got back from Dubai this morning and I saw three RS4's down there on Wednesday - nice!)
You obviously think though the R32 though is a piece of sh1te and your entitled to your opinion but I must defend my fellow R32 owners in saying that I have owned both a Mk5 Gti (although not the Ed 30) and now have the old 'R' instead. I loved my Gti, I still think the grill looks far better than the R32 but apart from that I prefer the look of the R32 (again only my opinion) and I even prefer my Zolder alloys (again probably because my Gti was plagued with rusty wheel hubs that made my 18'' Monzas look scruffy - although the alloys themselves were immaculate probably because I use have to call a taxi after I parked to pick me up and drop me off at the kerb!
The reason I traded in my Gti for the R32 was that I always wanted a 6 cylinder engine be it a straight 6, V6 or VR6 I don't care, I just love them! I have also since found out that the R32 is more user friendly - the wheel scrabbling that I use have in the Gti has gone, I can floor it anywhere and off it goes without any wheel spin. Consequently my tyres on the 'R' look alot better than they did on the Gti with the same mileage. Maybe it's the weight of the engine that helps the front wheels get the power down? or maybe the 4 motion is far better and not as agricultural as you think? Fuel economy is not too bad - not good around town but neither was the Gti particularly but on the open road around 30 mpg and as I only do around 6000 miles a year it only costs an extra 50 quid in petrol.
The one thing however that I do agree with you about Mr TT is the road tax - the Gti is far better than the R32 in this respect - 400 notes a year is a p1sser but it means my next car maybe a Porsche Cayenne Turbo or the such like as they too are only 400 notes to tax although I'm not going to get 30+mpg thats for sure!, but it would mean that all my bulbs in the garden would come up that bit earlier in spring due to localised global warming! :wink:
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No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine. The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc. Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.
The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map). The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. :nerd:
The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.
Agreed on the turbo issue, but disagree on the shortblock!
from etka..
turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK
Like I said ^^^ I agree that the S3 and Ed30 turbo are the same.
Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035
I would seriously question the accuracy of that data. Where, exactly are you getting your ETKA access (ie, is it from a VAG franchised stealer, or an out of date copy, or the limited functionality which non franchised parts resellers use)? I would be nigh-on certain if you were to order an Ed30 shortblock, along with an S3 shortblock, what turned up on the pallets would be very different.
This kind of discussion was rife with the 20 valve 1.8, with many "commentators" adamantly saying the 180PS engine was identical to the 225PS, appart from different ECU maps. They were subsequently proved very wrong.
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No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine. The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc. Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.
The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map). The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. :nerd:
The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.
from etka..
turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK
Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035
I think you're wrong on that count TT... unless you have further evidence. Or is it the subtle difference between pistons and the engine block that I don't understand?
A "shortblock" engine normally consists of the following components: cylinder block, assembled crankshaft, con-rods & pistons (and associated bearings), balancer shafts (if used), oil pick up, oil sump and baffles, oil pump.
Therefore, you have no cylinder head, timing belt, inlet or exhaust manifolds, turbos, ECUs, engine mounts, thermostats, etc, etc.
One other crucial point, is that those part numbers have letter suffixes missing from them - which is a major fcuk up from somewhere!
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Mr TT Esquire, I was only taking the Michael as you probably guessed
I wasn't too sure! I can't really remember "chatting" to you in any previous threads, so wasn't able to form any kind of opinion. :smiley:
I'm just jealous of your RS4 ( who wouldn't be? and I just got back from Dubai this morning and I saw three RS4's down there on Wednesday - nice!)
Yeah, I understand people liking the RS4. Indeed, I wanted one ever since the B5 RS4 came out - so I waited quite a long time! In terms of seeing other RS4s on the road, well they are still pretty rare. When I was in Germany for a month last May, I only saw one other RS4, and I was in the Stuttgart and Munich areas (which is close to "Audi-land"!!!). :shocked:
You obviously think though the R32 though is a piece of sh1te and your entitled to your opinion
Then you have completely mis-understood me. I have never stated the R32 as being "shyte". Indeed, I have actually praised it as being a very good and competent car. What I have stated, however, is that the R32 is NOT a quantum leap ahead of the GTI, which some commentators make it to be. It has been regularly proven that the performance of the R32 is no better than the Ed30 GTI, and also it has been reported that the R32 handling is worse than the GTI and Ed30, because the heavier VR6 engine induces understeer.
At the end of the day, these "differences" are all "on the limit" traits, and under normal motoring, won't make any difference. In terms of purely everyday motoring, then the standard GTI, the Ed30 GTI, and the R32 will all be on a par.
I must defend my fellow R32 owners in saying that I have owned both a Mk5 Gti (although not the Ed 30) and now have the old 'R' instead. I loved my Gti, I still think the grill looks far better than the R32 but apart from that I prefer the look of the R32 (again only my opinion)
Again, I've never made comments on individual looks. It is all down to personal preferences. Some people like silver, others like black.
The reason I traded in my Gti for the R32 was that I always wanted a 6 cylinder engine be it a straight 6, V6 or VR6 I don't care, I just love them!
That IS a valid point, which I have taken great pains to express. To some people, the R32 is simply the best, soley on the grounds that it has 2 more cylinders than any other Golf. End of . . . .
I have also since found out that the R32 is more user friendly - the wheel scrabbling that I use have in the Gti has gone, I can floor it anywhere and off it goes without any wheel spin.
To me, that statement doesn't read "more user friendly" - but instead it just reflects the fact that you can't be bothered to exercise proper throttle control. Another observation, if you regularly drive it like that, then your Haldex coupling is taking a pounding.
Consequently my tyres on the 'R' look alot better than they did on the Gti with the same mileage.
IMHO, that statement isn't an issue. Weather you have a 2 wheel drive or 4 - in a same style and weight car, with similar performance, the total mileage that is averaged across all four tyres will be nigh-on identical.
However, two do comments arise. Firstly, with Haldex based 4wd systems, you MUST keep all 4 tyres at the same tread depth. This has two crucial disadvantages - you are forced to replace all 4 in one go, which also means you will be running on 4 very worn out tyres. On the GTI (like all front wheel drive cars), yes, it will wear the fronts much, much quicker than the rears, but you only have to replace 2 tyres in one hit, and even if you have very worn fronts, you are still able to run with nigh-on brand new rears, which is clearly better from a safety aspect.
or maybe the 4 motion is far better and not as agricultural as you think?
Erm, I have never described the Haldex 4motion as "agricultural". However, I stand by my opinion that the Haldex 4wd system is greatly inferior to the permanent, full time 4wd Torsen system.
Fuel economy is not too bad - not good around town but neither was the Gti particularly but on the open road around 30 mpg and as I only do around 6000 miles a year it only costs an extra 50 quid in petrol.
Hmm, you seem to be at complete odds, with both official manufacturers figures, and also of many other R32 users. When you consider the R32 is on par performance with the GTI and more so the Ed30 - then the R32 uses at least 25% more fuel than the GTI. Indeed, official figures equate to approximately 30% more fuel. Fair enough, if you do a relatively low annual mileage, and can accept the increased fuel bill, then fine. However, your "extra £50 per year" is way off the truth, for 6k miles.