R32

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Teutonic Tamer, shouldn't you be playing with your new friends on the Audi RS4 forum? After all I thought this was a Volkswagon forum - for VOLKSWAGON OWNERS? Bye bye.

Are you wearing your driving glasses "dear"?  Do you need new lenses in your bi-focals?

Oh, I know, your daily medication is affecting you vision!! 


BTW, do learn to spell, old chap!

 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.

moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine

Which one??  (Hint: it's not the S3, because nothing shares that  ). 

[Peskarik]

....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.

moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine

Which one??  (Hint: it's not the S3, because nothing shares that  ). 

S3 engine with smaller intercooler. Ed30 engine is "updated" GTI engine, ain't it?

[08micsta]

I thought GTI had a Audi FSI Engine with a turbocharger??

Or at least thats what I was told. In SA here we get the FSI engine alone as an option and then the GTI gets the Audi FSI engine with some extra power etc?

Unconfuse me please

[Teutonic_Tamer]

....Yes, T_T is a very well respected VeeDubber and a valued contributor to this forum. Anyway, Audis are our cousins.

moreover, Ed30 uses Audi's engine

Which one??  (Hint: it's not the S3, because nothing shares that  ). 

S3 engine with smaller intercooler. Ed30 engine is "updated" GTI engine, ain't it?

Wrong!!! 

No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine.  The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc.  Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.

The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map).  The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

I thought GTI had a Audi FSI Engine with a turbocharger??

It does, and the "basic" terminology of the 2 litre FSI turbo lump is used in many VAG products, in both conventional layout (Audi A4) and transverse layout (Audi A3, S3, VW Passat, Golf GTI, Ed30, Seat Leon Cupra, Skoda Octavia vRS).

However, just like the older 1.8 20 valve turbo, which came in many different power outputs, there was a variety of "methods" used to achieve the differing power outputs.  These ranged from simple ECU changes, all the way to completely different internals, like on the Mk1 TT 225PS, and the older S3.

Or at least thats what I was told. In SA here we get the FSI engine alone as an option and then the GTI gets the Audi FSI engine with some extra power etc?

Unconfuse me please

Same here, you can get the normally aspriated (ie non-turbo) 2 litre FSI, rated at 150PS, and then the turbo charged version, with power outputs of 200PS, 230PS, 240PS and 265PS.

[topher]

No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine.  The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc.  Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.

The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map).  The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. 

The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.

from etka..

turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK


Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035

[illyun]

No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine.  The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc.  Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.

The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map).  The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. 

The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.

from etka..

turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK


Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035

I think you're wrong on that count TT... unless you have further evidence.  Or is it the subtle difference between pistons and the engine block that I don't understand?

[Rog]

    Mr TT Esquire, I was only taking the Michael as you probably guessed - I'm just jealous of your RS4 ( who wouldn't be? and I just got back from Dubai this morning and I saw three RS4's down there on Wednesday - nice!)
     You obviously think though the R32 though is a piece of sh1te and your entitled to your opinion but I must defend my fellow R32 owners in saying that I have owned both a Mk5 Gti (although not the Ed 30) and now have the old 'R' instead.  I loved my Gti, I still think the grill looks far better than the R32 but apart from that I prefer the look of the R32 (again only my opinion) and I even prefer my Zolder alloys (again probably because my Gti was plagued with rusty wheel hubs that made my 18'' Monzas look scruffy - although the alloys themselves were immaculate probably because I use have to call a taxi after I parked to pick me up and drop me off at the kerb!
    The reason I traded in my Gti for the R32 was that I always wanted a 6 cylinder engine be it a straight 6, V6 or VR6 I don't care, I just love them!  I have also since found out that the R32 is more user friendly - the wheel scrabbling that I use have  in the Gti has gone, I can floor it anywhere and off it goes without any wheel spin.  Consequently my tyres on the 'R' look alot better than they did on the Gti with the same mileage.  Maybe it's the weight of the engine that helps the front wheels get the power down? or maybe the 4 motion is far better and not as agricultural as you think? Fuel economy is not too bad - not good around town but neither was the Gti particularly but on the open road around 30 mpg and as I only do around 6000 miles a year it only costs an extra 50 quid in petrol.
    The one thing however that I do agree with you about Mr TT is the road tax - the Gti is far better than the R32 in this respect - 400 notes a year is a p1sser but it means my next car maybe a Porsche Cayenne Turbo or the such like as they too are only 400 notes to tax although I'm not going to get 30+mpg thats for sure!, but it would mean that all my bulbs in the garden would come up that bit earlier in spring due to localised global warming! 

[Teutonic_Tamer]

No, the S3 engine, whilst it is still a 2 litre FSI turbo engine, actually shares little in common with the standard GTI and Ed30 engine.  The S3 engine actually has completely different, uprated pistons, conrods, crankshaft (I think !!), valves, etc.  Furthermore, the head is made of a completely different higher spec aluminium alloy.

The ONLY thing the Ed30 230PS (and the Seat Cupra 240PS) share with the S3 engine is the bigger turbo with remote diverter valve (and also a different ECU map).  The rest of the Ed30 engine is identical to the standard GTI lump. 

The turbocharger and shortblock assembly have the same part numbers for both the S3 and ED30. The S3 intercooler is almost the same but has alloy end caps rather than plastic. S3 beats both the seat and the vw on the drivetrain front though.

Agreed on the turbo issue, but disagree on the shortblock!

from etka..

turbocharger
195 KW BHZ (S3) 06F 145,702 C KKK
169 KW BYD (ED30) 06F 145,702 C KKK

Like I said ^^^ I agree that the S3 and Ed30 turbo are the same.

Short block assembly BYD (ED30) 06F 100,035
Short block assembly BHZ (S3) 06F 100,035

I would seriously question the accuracy of that data.  Where, exactly are you getting your ETKA access (ie, is it from a VAG franchised stealer, or an out of date copy, or the limited functionality which non franchised parts resellers use)?  I would be nigh-on certain if you were to order an Ed30 shortblock, along with an S3 shortblock, what turned up on the pallets would be very different.

This kind of discussion was rife with the 20 valve 1.8, with many "commentators" adamantly saying the 180PS engine was identical to the 225PS, appart from different ECU maps.  They were subsequently proved very wrong.