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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Phil mcavity on 09 March 2007, 23:23
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OK, currently have mfd 2 sat nav system , car has 10 speakers in front to back , now does this mean that it already has the soundpack fitted , or is it mean VW do a convertion with bigger amped speakers in their advertised Soundpack option. And can anyone tell me is it worth it, is their much difference between either set. Im not a base box dik head, i like the clarity currently just wish it had just a tad more base to it :smiley:
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Hi,
Looking at the golf brochure in front of me the answer is yes :smiley:
Standard is 8 speakers and the soundpack has 10 speakers.
It does not specifically say that the sat nav comes with the soundpack, but I cannot see you paying over a grand on this option and them not supplying it when for a lot less you can have the RCD 500 with it.
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cheers for that , can anyone else confirm this that 8 is standard on a GTi or ed30 and if you have 10 then Soundpack is already fitted??.
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I thought it was 8 on UK cars as standard and 10 on imports, could be wrong.
I remember when I first joined the forum, there was a member saying he paid the extra for the soundpack (I guess its an amp etc) and it was crap and he was complaining to VW to get his money back.
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I've got 10 speakers in my import (no soundpack). If you have the soundpack, there is an amp under the passenger seat.
I think the general consensus is that it's not worth the money.
Cheers.
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Yup, I think its was Matt who said the soundpack was crap in a discussion with Doc early last year. From what I remember, it wasn't recommended which is why I didn't order it. Also, I was going to have the front and rear speaker upgrades from VW and I remembered from that and other posts that the door cards of the Golf couldn't handle the extra noise and vibrated a lot so I skipped on those to. My R32 (import) also had 10 speakers and my Edition 30 (UK car) with sat nav has 10 speakers - assuming the ones next to the door mirrors work.
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If you look at the prices brochure, RCD300 has 8 speakers, RCD500 has 10 speakers.
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And out of interest how much is the upgraded soundpack?
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Hi
Look here for the latest option prices
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new_cars/golf_gti/options
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If you look at the prices brochure, RCD300 has 8 speakers, RCD500 has 10 speakers.
True, but the RCD500 comes as two options: either with - or without the Soundpack. GTI/R32 option prices for the RCD500, without soundpack is £275, and with soundpack is £675.
You can also get dealer supplied speaker "upgrade kits", the fronts (1K0 051 608 A) for £180, and the rears (1K0 051 606) for £115.
I have asked my stealer for the exact spec of these kits, but they are unable to tell me, and as Illy stated, Matt had a real run-in with VW UK on just how sh!te the soundpack was, and eventually got his money back!
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DO NOT GO FOR THE SOUNDPACK PLUS fella! it is utter utter tosh!
we've had a refund for our soundpack plus, but it's taken so long to sort out and now the Golf is going!!
soundpack plus = 10 speakers/improved output and six cd headunit! the vibration in the door cards is shocking, even with the bass really low!
save the money and get it done somewhere else! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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DO NOT GO FOR THE SOUNDPACK PLUS fella! it is utter utter tosh!
we've had a refund for our soundpack plus, but it's taken so long to sort out and now the Golf is going!!
soundpack plus = 10 speakers/improved output and six cd headunit! the vibration in the door cards is shocking, even with the bass really low!
save the money and get it done somewhere else! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Well to add total confusion, i have the RCD 500 with sound pack and have none of these problems. However the unit is far louder (excellet clarity) than i am ever likely to use. I'm not that old but i do find driving with a full on night club in my car a bit distracting. So i would save your money and buy a multi functional wheel instead as i wish i did.
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I ordered the soundpack for my Ed30, which is due del for the middle of May. I'm a bit worried as to all the quotes on this site about the upgrade, but I'll report back when I've used it. I think one of the reasons I went for it was because I initially considerd the sat nav, which came with 10 speakers and upgraded sound I believe. But after seeing how much VW wanted for the sat nav, I decided that a Tom Tom would be better value. I know its not going to be as neat as the fitted system, but saving 1000 notes swayed me some what. Also, whilst I'm on the subject, the price of the cds with the maps on for the VW system somewhat disuaded me.
Anyway, back to the soundpack. I just wish VW offered a BOSE system, now that would be :cool:.
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The soundpack is the one thing that's annoyed me about the Ed30. The rumble in windows/doors is noticable at very low levels if the song has any bass whatsoever.
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The soundpack is the one thing that's annoyed me about the Ed30. The rumble in windows/doors is noticable at very low levels if the song has any bass whatsoever.
Bugger! :sick: :cry: :cry:
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The soundpack is the one thing that's annoyed me about the Ed30. The rumble in windows/doors is noticable at very low levels if the song has any bass whatsoever.
My point exactly! all i can say lads IS COMPLAIN! VW have said they had only a couple of complaints at HQ, ours being one. Once they have enough complaints then they have to rectify the issue!!!!!
We ended up with a full refund and are now getting rid of the motor!!!!
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Very interesting - what route did you go down to complain? I'm rather annoyed with mine, and it is something that winds me up pretty much everytime I get in the car and pop a CD on.
Did you go straight to VW or via the dealer? Got an address handy?
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Stealer first - and then makesure they agree with you. After that, it will be raised to VW uk. I can some contact details but they will send you back to the dealer. Once VW uk are involved, then there will be a bit of ping pong between them and the dealer. Also a fair bit of denial! Then your dealer will say it is a 'characteristic' of the system!! And you will use info from their own site 'near perfect acoustics' :wink:
It's a proper pain in the butt, but if we all just sat around doing nothing about the problems with have with our overpriced then nothing would ever improve. Once VW have enough complaints escalated to HQ then they will action a VW fix. Should you accept any offer of a fix from the dealer (stereo shop fix etc) then be careful as it will affect any future warranty work with respect to door cards/stereo. They tried this with us, we declined!
After we got the full refund, we have signed an agreement accepting that we have no redress with the stereo quality in the future, which is fine with me.
The Golf has been a real dissapointment to me - it should be such a great car :cry:
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Got my ED30 without the soundpack as my GTTDI 140 did have the sound pack. :sick:
Nuff said really
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You can also get dealer supplied speaker "upgrade kits", the fronts (1K0 051 608 A) for £180, and the rears (1K0 051 606) for £115.
I have asked my stealer for the exact spec of these kits, but they are unable to tell me, and as Illy stated, Matt had a real run-in with VW UK on just how sh!te the soundpack was, and eventually got his money back!
I've just fitted this upgrade to the front of my car (£50 via the ebay seller) and whilst it still may not be the best sounding setup for some people, they are a huge improvement over the stock front 6 speaker setup and well worth the money (maybe not £180 though!).
HTH
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I've got the 10 speaker set up and it doesn't seem any better than the standard setup.
Not worth the money!
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Better speakers alone just arent going to cut it. If you want decent sound you will need an amp, better aftermarket HU and a sub.
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10 speakers came as standard on the early ones. Penny pinching cut this down to 8 from around 06 plate onwards unless you paid extra.
I don't think the speakers are terrible its the HU that lets the side down more than anything else...
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Better speakers alone just arent going to cut it. If you want decent sound you will need an amp, better aftermarket HU and a sub.
I forgot to say that I have the DVD headunit and the sound quality does actually sound quite reasonable -maybe this is a key factor?? [flamesuit on] I've come from a BOSE setup in my previous Audis [/flamesuit on] and whilst it [post-upgrade of front speakers] doesn't have the bass of the BOSE, it does have great high-end and mid-range clarity. I also noticed an improvement by disabling the GALA setting - this seemed to cause distortion.
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Better speakers alone just arent going to cut it. If you want decent sound you will need an amp, better aftermarket HU and a sub.
I forgot to say that I have the DVD headunit and the sound quality does actually sound quite reasonable -maybe this is a key factor?? .
Depends what the power output on the headunit is to the speakers. Any good aftermarket HU will have much more wattage power to send to the speakers, thus by simply upgrading the HU you get better sound with the same speakers. At a GUESS I'd have thought all the VW HU would be the same power ouput, just different features.
Im running a sub and amp on standard speakers and they seem to hold up ok (Im running the 10 speaker setup) unless it gets really loud.
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Don't get me started on the quality of the VW speakers again :angry: :rolleyes:
Any VW Golf sound system doesn't have the same build quality or sound quality that an aftermarket (even cheapish) system can produce. The only thing that has come near to basic acceptability is the new Dynaudio system....and even that can be bettered with £500 of aftermarket goodies :wink:
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Don't get me started on the quality of the VW speakers again :angry: :rolleyes:
Any VW Golf sound system doesn't have the same build quality or sound quality that an aftermarket (even cheapish) system can produce. The only thing that has come near to basic acceptability is the new Dynaudio system....and even that can be bettered with £500 of aftermarket goodies :wink:
I disagree - not everyone wants / can afford to spend hundreds of ££'s on a new system, plus there are a lot of people that still want the OEM look.
£50 gets you a set of 6 speakers and crossover units that are miles better than the OEM stuff - that's what I'd call a bargain! Yes, they may have a VW sticker on them, but VW do not make speakers - they buy from the likes of Blaupunkt etc... if you want to improve your sounds without spending a small fortune, then give them a whirl, they fit in the OEM positions too!
You are pretty naive if you knock something you haven't even tried / listened to - the VW upgrade I'm referring to isn't the 10-speaker upgrade (I already had that in my ed 30) - it replaces the std paper cone speakers with a polypropylene membrane for the woofer and mid-range and an aluminium tweeter replaces what looks like a plastic affair as std.
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Better speakers alone just arent going to cut it. If you want decent sound you will need an amp, better aftermarket HU and a sub.
I forgot to say that I have the DVD headunit and the sound quality does actually sound quite reasonable -maybe this is a key factor?? [flamesuit on] I've come from a BOSE setup in my previous Audis [/flamesuit on] and whilst it [post-upgrade of front speakers] doesn't have the bass of the BOSE, it does have great high-end and mid-range clarity. I also noticed an improvement by disabling the GALA setting - this seemed to cause distortion.
I upgraded from a RCD300 to the mfd2 nav unit and the sound quality is night and day, much much better. Only grumble is when using the integrated ipod dock the bass is a bit lacking. As mentioned I have the 10 speaker set up (but not soundpack).
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Don't get me started on the quality of the VW speakers again :angry: :rolleyes:
Any VW Golf sound system doesn't have the same build quality or sound quality that an aftermarket (even cheapish) system can produce. The only thing that has come near to basic acceptability is the new Dynaudio system....and even that can be bettered with £500 of aftermarket goodies :wink:
I disagree - not everyone wants / can afford to spend hundreds of ££'s on a new system, plus there are a lot of people that still want the OEM look.
£50 gets you a set of 6 speakers and crossover units that are miles better than the OEM stuff - that's what I'd call a bargain! Yes, they may have a VW sticker on them, but VW do not make speakers - they buy from the likes of Blaupunkt etc... if you want to improve your sounds without spending a small fortune, then give them a whirl, they fit in the OEM positions too!
You are pretty naive if you knock something you haven't even tried / listened to - the VW upgrade I'm referring to isn't the 10-speaker upgrade (I already had that in my ed 30) - it replaces the std paper cone speakers with a polypropylene membrane for the woofer and mid-range and an aluminium tweeter replaces what looks like a plastic affair as std.
I must have listened to over 100 sound systems and aftermarket sound systems in MKV's alone. Yes, I may not have listened to this particular one. However he polyprop ones are better than stock, but still not as good as JL, Alpine, Kenwood, Hertz, Rainbow et al. Blaupunkt have good top end equipment, but some of their OEM equipment is still shockingly bad. Don't take it personally, I am simply trying to give an informed decision based on experience with other sound systems. £50 is a bargain for that particular equipment, it just isn't what I would spend money on. OEM is also a consideration if you want to keep the car in an OEM+ style - I wouldn't though.
Budget systems can be fantastic if you spend long enough looking around there are some truly great aftermarket bargains to be had. :smiley:
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to ED30DSG, I've just been offered one of these VW speaker upgrade kits like yours, (like the fleabay one), brand new still in box for £25. Like you my main critisism of my standard DVD MFD2 based system (with the 10 standard speakers) is the lack of bass.
When you fitted the upgraded VW speakers was that improved significantly ? I can't really afford/justify £300+ on a nice set of Hertz, Rainbow or Focal components (even though I'm sure they will sound loads better).
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to ED30DSG, I've just been offered one of these VW speaker upgrade kits like yours, (like the fleabay one), brand new still in box for £25. Like you my main critisism of my standard DVD MFD2 based system (with the 10 standard speakers) is the lack of bass.
When you fitted the upgraded VW speakers was that improved significantly ? I can't really afford/justify £300+ on a nice set of Hertz, Rainbow or Focal components (even though I'm sure they will sound loads better).
The bass has improved slightly - there is a bit more depth there, but the door linings could do with dynomating (or similar stuff) - the woofers are pop-riveted in so if you are going to do mat the inside of the door, buy it before you fit the woofers.
The main improvements are in the top-end clarity and front staging - the speakers must have a higher sensitivity as the front now sounds much louder than it ever was at the same volume with the same track.
For £25 you can't go wrong unless you're after perfection - if so, I wouldn't start with a car as a base :-)
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Cheers ED30DSG,
Think I'll go ahead (for £25 notes can't really go wrong). Good tip about the dynomatting the inside of the doors !
Andrew. :wink: