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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: evo1986 on 01 February 2017, 19:51
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Important day tomorrow
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Golf 7.5? :smiley: I presume it will be on the online configurator?.
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The stunning new facelifted Golf Hatch and Estate opens for order on Thursday 2 February.
With subtle updates to the exterior styling, enhanced infotainment, new safety features and engine upgrades, the 2017 facelifted model continues our proud tradition of quality and value for money.
Here’s all the information you need to begin quoting and taking orders.
Dates for your diary
2 February
Facelifted Golf Hatch and Estate open for order
Facelifted Golf Hatch and Estate quotable in Connect OnLine
Brochure, pricelist and Volkswagen.co.uk live
The facelifted Golf – what’s new?
The iconic Golf had a successful 2016, finishing ahead of the Ford Focus as the most popular mid-sized hatchback in the UK. The Golf has had more than two million sales in the UK to date and the updated version of the seventh generation Golf brings ‘big car’ technology to the compact family car class.
The range includes S, SE, SE Nav, GT, R-Line, GTE, GTE Advance, e-Golf, GTD, GTD BlueLine, GTI, GTI Performance and R hatchbacks.
There’s also a wide choice of estate models: S, SE, SE Nav, GT, GTD, GTD BlueLine and R plus the Alltrack.
Exterior styling
As well as the impressive new wheel designs and body colours, on the front of the Golf you’ll notice a more masculine bumper and grille, LED day-time running lights and optional full LED headlights. The lower grille has cleaner lines – the Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) sensor is now behind the Volkswagen roundel (except on the GTE and e-Golf where the front roundel holds the vehicle’s charge point).
The rear has premium styling with new LED taillights, a new rear bumper and an enhanced rear diffuser as standard across all trims. The LED taillights have running indicators on performance trims (GTD, GTI, GTI Performance and R), and stronger chrome trims on the R-Line.
Enhanced infotainment
You’ll see a real difference in the new Golf’s impressive interior cabin. The next generation MIB infotainment systems are included in all trims. We’ve increased the size of Composition Media and Discover Navigation from 6.5-inch to 8-inch. Customers can still choose Discover Navigation Pro, which has a 9.2-inch screen and new Gesture Control technology. The user simply needs to swipe their hand in front of the Discover Navigation Pro unit to change audio settings and menu items.
Active Info Display is standard on the performance Golf trims, adding significant additional value and impact.
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Important day tomorrow
You can already get quotes on them from DriveTheDeal :laugh:
Edit: hahaha :grin: just read your footer, of course you know :laugh:
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Safety features
Enhanced optional safety features include:
Traffic Jam Assist
Trailer Assist
Emergency Assist
Enhanced Park Assist 3.0 (provides next generation semi-autonomous parking)
New BlueLine trim
To meet CO2 thresholds, we’ve introduced the GTD BlueLine Hatch and Estate models. We expect the GTD BlueLine trim to appeal to the 25 per cent of corporate fleet companies that have a 120g/km CO2 policy. In BlueLine models, an adjustment is made to standardised specification to target a specific CO2 threshold. For example, the facelifted Golf Hatch GTD trim (with an 18-inch alloy as standard) has a CO2 value of 122g/km, while the Golf Hatch GTD BlueLine trim (with a 17-inch alloy as standard) delivers a CO2 value of 116g/km and improved fuel efficiency.
Engines
The new Golf engines are highly efficient. Even the new base petrol engine – the turbocharged direct-injection 1.0 TSI with 85PS – has 58.9 mpg* (combined) fuel consumption. This engine opens for order in wave two (see launch waves below).
We’re also introducing the turbocharged petrol 1.5 TSI Evo engine – a new four-cylinder unit that generates 150PS and features Active Cylinder Management (ACT). There is also a BlueMotion version producing 130PS which features a complete engine shut-down function (as in the hybrid Golf GTE). Meanwhile, the iconic Golf GTI generates 230PS or 245PS in GTI Performance guise.
The range-topping Golf R gets more power than ever before too, with a peak output of 310PS. That’s enough to carry it from 0 to 62 mph in just 4.6 seconds.
The new 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox (DSG) also helps to deliver CO2 figures that have in some cases been improved by up to 10 g/km. All Golfs also feature BlueMotion Technologies such as a stop-start system and a mode for storing braking energy (regenerative braking).
Pricing
We have negotiated a significant price reduction on the facelifted Golf – both for the Hatch and the Estate, as we revealed at the Retailer Business Conference. This is only the third time that Golf pricing has been realigned in the past 20 years and it gives us an opportunity to improve our performance across all parts of the Golf range:
Golf SE is £1,175* less than the outgoing Golf Match Edition. SE Nav trim is also cheaper (-£425)*
Both Golf GT and R-Line are £650* less than the GT Edition and R-Line Edition on the current Golf
The facelifted Golf GTD has a £255* reduction, but has Active Info Display and LED headlights as standard compared to the outgoing model
GTI (+£5)*, GTI Performance (+£110)* and R (+£180)* all have minor price increases compared to the outgoing model. However, they all have additional power, Active Info Display and full LED headlights as standard
* average price decrease, based on five-door manual derivative
The facelifted Golf has been well received by the residual value community; it has achieved an average increase of £250-£300 across most trims (36/60k) due to styling and interior equipment.
Volkswagen Financial Services has also added a further £300 to the residual value of the Performance models because of the Active Info Display, LED headlights and additional power.
Retail tactical offers
The weakening of the pound against the Euro in the second half of 2016 meant the vast majority of manufacturers increased their prices; particularly in the mid-sized hatchback segment where the Golf competes. Both BMW (+£330 / +1.3%) and Audi (+£460 / +1.9%) increased their prices in January 2017. This makes us more optimistic, especially because the realignment means an average £650 price reduction for the facelifted Golf.
We will launch the facelift Golf (Hatch and Estate) with a retail tactical finance campaign with a £1,000 deposit contribution and 4.9 per cent APR, delivering a headline rate of £185 per month (48/40k - SE 1.0 110PS TSI 5DR 6SPD).
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So a little more tech on the performance models, for a little less RRP, but realistically costing a little more due to losing a grand deposit contribution - overall not a bad place to be, considering the drop in the pound.
I thought we'd be seeing a £1500 price rise and no deposit contribution (contribution kicking in later if sales were less than target). For the tech coming in, the active display is probably at the threshold of being cheaper than the analogue dial instrumentation, or at least less prone to warranty issues (no moving parts), LED lighting I could see being cheaper than Xenons now - do LED lights require washers like Xenons?
If I could get £21-22k private sale for my R when it is 2 years old, i'd be tempted to get a facelifted R at broker prices.
I'm sure VW only retain touch screen tech to differentiate from Audi, but it is so bloody clumsy all the time and unresponsive in the winter. I'd much rather have the toggle dial/menu layers set up that Audi have - you really don't need to take your eyes off the road for more than a fraction of a second to operate it.
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LED headlights don't require washers.
But I'd imagine they'd still be part of the winter pack.
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Is everyone on the configurator? It's jammed up solid.
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Is everyone on the configurator? It's jammed up solid.
Yep same here
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So a little more tech on the performance models, for a little less RRP, but realistically costing a little more due to losing a grand deposit contribution - overall not a bad place to be, considering the drop in the pound.
I thought we'd be seeing a £1500 price rise and no deposit contribution (contribution kicking in later if sales were less than target). For the tech coming in, the active display is probably at the threshold of being cheaper than the analogue dial instrumentation, or at least less prone to warranty issues (no moving parts), LED lighting I could see being cheaper than Xenons now - do LED lights require washers like Xenons?
If I could get £21-22k private sale for my R when it is 2 years old, i'd be tempted to get a facelifted R at broker prices.
I'm sure VW only retain touch screen tech to differentiate from Audi, but it is so bloody clumsy all the time and unresponsive in the winter. I'd much rather have the toggle dial/menu layers set up that Audi have - you really don't need to take your eyes off the road for more than a fraction of a second to operate it.
Have a real aversion to solid state tech which is compounded by it usually being a little slow and buggy.
Keeping eyes on road is prime, and for example, when have the radio in main view and not preset, to find and push the little arrow on screen is clumsy to go to next station. The buttons are so needed for assurance in your action.
Feel escaped a few things with the Facelift and by time in position to change then hopefully the tech will be on next versions in the MK 8 IE: Having to live with MIB 1 before the MIB 2 units were introduced.
Quite like the idea of the black pretoria, but not on my Lapiz, as think chrome works best, but on other colours think they will look great.
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Am I missing something here? The configurator is still showing the "old" models?
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You need to go to "hatchbacks" on the landing page for new cars, then there is an area (next to the performance Golfs) for the "new Golf".
All details are contained therein.
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I see the GTD Blueline is not available on there and the GTE page also is MIA :)
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You need to go to "hatchbacks" on the landing page for new cars, then there is an area (next to the performance Golfs) for the "new Golf".
All details are contained therein.
I must be really thick today as I can't see that, nor can I see it via the configurator, think I may be having a brain malfunction as I've searched the whole website :grin:
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R Line only available with Diesel TDI Engine ??? :sad:
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here:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/home
**edit** looks like the configurator part has been temporarily taken down.
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here:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-vii-pa/home
**edit** looks like the configurator part has been temporarily taken down.
Ta. That's what was foxing me, I wanted to build one!
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They are busy making the future real.
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It's already possible to see and build it in German and Swedish configurators but the stock wheels that it comes with in both these countries (17" Brooklyn) are hideous. Looks like someone stole your GTI wheels and you replaced them with generic Golf wheels from your dealer:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/No_need_2_r_gue/Clubsport/Various%20Pre/1_zps58zgalw7.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/No_need_2_r_gue/Clubsport/Various%20Pre/2_zpszmvptcpn.jpg)
so I think everybody will opt for a wheel option to begin with. Options (in DE) are some even uglier 18" called "Milton Keynes", 19" Sandiagos which look ok, the 19" heavyweight Brescias from the Clubsport which also look ugly but not the forged light-weight 18" Belvederes (surprise surprise) and Pretorias (best looking wheel for the MK7 imo) at 18" but not 19" and at a not-so-cheap price.
Again based on EUR prices, 4-5 typical extras for a 2017 car get you to the equivalent of 30K GBP territory which can go up to 33K if you like some extra luxuries (Discover Pro system and Dynaudio).
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brochure and pricelist can be downloaded from this link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0yc23m8tq3qxb5x/2017%20golf%20pricelist.pdf?dl=0
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Also, just came across this from the promotion page:
Active Info Display
The analogue dials are outdated. On request, you can replace the traditional tube design for a high resolution display. The innovative Active Info Display instrument cluster can give you information far beyond your speed and fuel level.
Oh so they are outdated :grin: Having the Discover media unit rebooting or showing other weird behavior is one thing, you can at least turn it off and be on your way. Driving with a stuck/blank/re-booting instrument cluster screen and no dials is surely a contemporary experience as it has never happened in the past.
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Also, just came across this from the promotion page:
Active Info Display
The analogue dials are outdated. On request, you can replace the traditional tube design for a high resolution display. The innovative Active Info Display instrument cluster can give you information far beyond your speed and fuel level.
Oh so they are outdated :grin: Having the Discover media unit rebooting or showing other weird behavior is one thing, you can at least turn it off and be on your way. Driving with a stuck/blank/re-booting instrument cluster screen and no dials is surely a contemporary experience as it has never happened in the past.
I would imagine they've gone through a pretty hard test, it won't just turn off! I've certainly never had any issues with my virtual cockpit, and it's a massive step up from an analogue display particularly as you can configure it how you want it too.
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Your current analogue clocks aren't actually analogue anyway - they are fed from an digital sensor feed and the needle is actuated by software....
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The moving of the DRL to angular and sweeping does make it look like any other car on the road, the U shaped DRL really standout and the double U of the R are pretty signature, you can pick a MK 7 and an R coming at you miles off.
From all video seen of the new Golf the DRL look quite anonymous.
As for solid state environments, and understand the 'analogue' dials are still software driven, but they are still more tactile than just another screen. But do get it, and can see how some love the replacement screens over dials. Be more upset in losing the S3 dials as they are classy.
Have more of an issue with the touch free environment, as you can manipulate a function far more assured with a switch/dial than can by touch.
You have to think of the demographic to, my Father in Law recently purchased a Polo and he left the showroom with no instruction to the menu system and had no idea how to set the radio and completely baffled why the mini screen was showing him different options (he was inadvertently cycling them) He wanted to watch his overall consumption but had no confidence in navigating the menus which resolved by having him press the car button repeatedly to cycle the driving date and Blue Trainer.
Like gauges and switches, that look polished and 'clunk' positively, that tactile interaction brings a sense of togetherness with the car.
The new environments will def be more sterile and will close the gap fro lesser VAG brands as screens are screens at end of the day and the difference in interior quality will lessen dramatically.
Not sure about it all myself, can see myself going back to modern classics, and very glad that got my R when did seeing the facelift and maybe tempted to prolong keeping it if not like what seen in MK 8
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If its any help, I see the brochure says they can give you dinosaur clocks on your GTD/GTI/R as a zero cost delete option.
Just say "I want to go back to the 20th century" three times, click your heals and tick the box on the order form :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Configurator is online now.
Black Rubin paint looks interesting does it have a hint of purple or is it just the picture?
Can't see the option to delete the Active Info Display like it says in the brochure. Wonder why they didn't have this as an option like the A3 to make a few £?
No GTD Blueline yet? No S&S pack for GTD.
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BTW if you hate the Active Dash, you'll gonna love the knobless and largely button free NavPro unit.
I'd imagine come the Mk8 the heating controls will have all gone and be menu items in the MIB5. I'm sure I've seen Astons with this rubbish already :)
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BTW if you hate the Active Dash, you'll gonna love the knobless and largely button free NavPro unit.
I'd imagine come the Mk8 the heating controls will have all gone and be menu items in the MIB5. I'm sure I've seen Astons with this rubbish already :)
I'm just happy they have put keyless back as an option. I actually cant wait have a car again that I turn a key to start :grin:
Just configured: GTD, 5door, DSG, DBP, no options, delete digital dash - sorted! :cool:
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There must be a fan of Thunderbirds working at VW UK - Milton Keynes wheels on german site are now 'Parker',(either that or they don't like Milton Keynes),also is the german dark iron blue now called isaac blue ? - actually,along with Atlantic blue and Indium grey there is now quite a nice choice of colours - can't wait to see these 3 in the flesh
as I think I might have quite a dilemma choosing between them - GTD1414,where is the option on the configurator to
delete the digital dash ?
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brochure and pricelist can be downloaded from this link
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0yc23m8tq3qxb5x/2017%20golf%20pricelist.pdf?dl=0
Thanks! But those "Parker" wheels are hideous!
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Agree, the standard GTI wheels arnt' the best, they should of kept the Austins :sad:
Mezza - Its not on configurator it is mentioned in the brochure on the extras page.
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OK,found it -Cheers.
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Your current analogue clocks aren't actually analogue anyway - they are fed from an digital sensor feed and the needle is actuated by software....
Well you don't say, next thing I'll find out is the throttle is driven by wire instead of cable :tongue:
The point was in regards of introducing yet more electronics (a (Chinese) screen is always a screen) where they don't serve any purpose or offer any benefit over analog gauges instead of making you feel you are driving something futuristic.
If its any help, I see the brochure says they can give you dinosaur clocks on your GTD/GTI/R as a zero cost delete option.
Just say "I want to go back to the 20th century" three times, click your heals and tick the box on the order form :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Funny but I'm probably younger than you and I actually grew up right in the IT/tech explosion of the last 20 years. Yet some things being done just for the sake of looking hi-tech and cool just look silly in the end.
Mind you I am not universally against digital clusters. Smaller or indifferent "mass consumption" vehicles with dull interiors will surely benefit and look more upmarket than they really are and the non-petrolhead will probably think it's nicely colourful and fancy. I just don't think they have a place in performance/sports cars. Every one of them I've seen with a digital cluster loses "matcho" points and gives the impression of a toy.
Tesla had good reasons to go full digital, an analog gauge there would indeed look like a dinosaur but that's a whole different car/philosophy. As long as we are still driving internal combustion engines, nothing will ever look nearly as fascinating as a nicely designed, illuminated red needle going up the revs like crazy. I play car video games at home (though less often nowadays), I don't want the same feeling in my actual (sports) car.
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Agree, the standard GTI wheels arnt' the best, they should of kept the Austins :sad:
Mezza - Its not on configurator it is mentioned in the brochure on the extras page.
"Removal of Active Info Display - No cost option"
The Active Info Display is a £495 option, but deleting it is a 'no cost option'! Why VW UK, why!
I'm really disappointed. While I don't want it, I'm not sure I would delete it if there was no cost saving. Trust VW UK to feck the car up for so many people.
I think the new Parker alloys are much better looking than the Austins. Everyone has different tastes.
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I'm glad I'm picking my Mk7 on the first and not waiting for the facelift.
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As long as we are still driving internal combustion engines, nothing will ever look nearly as fascinating as a nicely designed, illuminated red needle going up the revs like crazy. I play car video games at home, I don't want the same feeling in my actual (sports) car.
... my feelings exactly!
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I think I might have to go on the VW and Audi sites tonight to compare FL R and FL S3. I already know the S3 will have less equipment but nicer looking seats and Aluminium doors that feel more solid than the thin steel of the Golf's skin, and prefer the S3's standard wheels to the R's standard wheels, but the side silhouette of the Golf does look a little better than the Sportback's.
Not sure what level of broker discount I could achieve on either right now or what I could get privately for my R - will have to look into what they are going for on the used forecourt and adjust accordingly.
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I know it's very early days but has anyone ordered the new R yet? What's the figures like, GFV, discounts etc
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I know it's very early days but has anyone ordered the new R yet? What's the figures like, GFV, discounts etc
Have a look as DTD for potential discounts
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So far its looking like ~10-12%:
RRP
29,935.00 Golf GTI 2.0 litre TSI 230ps 5 door DSG (6speed)
570.00 White Silver Metallic
95.00 Heat-insulating tinted glass 90%
1,325.00 Discover Pro DVD nav/radio system (DNS PRO)
1,750.00 Black 'Vienna' leather GTI/ GTD
550.00 Dynaudio Excite soundpack
34,225.00 Total
Drive the Deal: 30,064.64 (12.2%)
coast2coastcars: 30,548.00 (10.7%)
RRP
33,935.00 Golf R 2.0 litre TSI 310ps 5 door DSG 4wd (7speed)
630.00 Lapiz Blue Metallic
95.00 Heat-insulating tinted glass 90%
1,325.00 Discover Pro DVD nav/radio system (DNS PRO)
1,750.00 Black 'Vienna' leather GTI/ GTD
550.00 Dynaudio Excite soundpack
38,285.00 Total
Drive the Deal: 33,553.60 (12.4%)
coast2coastcars: 34,161.00 (10.8%)
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
That's true mark. Looking at the spec I think this time round if I was to order there would be very few options I'd add. The standard spec is very impressive as it is. I would probably go for the Prets, the heated windshield and perhaps the mobile phone interface. Don't think id bother with the Nav pro or the DCC.
Comes in at just over of £30k on DTD which is amazing. Edit: For 3dr DSG
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"Removal of Active Info Display - No cost option"
The Active Info Display is a £495 option, but deleting it is a 'no cost option'! Why VW UK, why!
I'm really disappointed. While I don't want it, I'm not sure I would delete it if there was no cost saving.
I'm still wondering how the GTD Blueline actually works it really cannot be less polluting by THAT much just by swapping the frikkin wheels.
And also asking why when on an R-line you have to pay £495 to upgrade from 17" to 18" wheels yet when they delete it from the GTD for the GTD Blueline, the price is exactly the same.
I've also noticed that despite the brochure saying that HBA is still available and still ~£150 its not on the configurator. "LED headlights with high beam assist" is but its £310.
Actually, you know what, yesterday someone was saying that its quite surprising the price has kept down...
Well it hasn't really has it?
You used to get winter pack, keyless and nav. The techpack was an absolute steal and several other options were cheaper than today. The finance contribution has gone right down too.
No, its not gone down really has it.
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
That's true mark. Looking at the spec I think this time round if I was to order there would be very few options I'd add. The standard spec is very impressive as it is. I would probably go for the Prets, the heated windshield and perhaps the mobile phone interface. Don't think id bother with the Nav pro or the DCC.
Comes in at just over of £30k on DTD which is amazing. Edit: For 3dr DSG
That's a really good price you know, for a car of that spec and speed. Tempted? You must be! :grin:
I went a little more trigger happy on my one :grin: - DSG 3dr, TR, active display, DNS Pro, Dynaudio pack, Speilberg 19's, heated windshield, rear view camera, pano roof, carbon mirrors, tinted glass - came in at 38k on the configurator (so under that magic 40k to not be hit by that extra car tax) - and with a 12% discount that's just over 33k - which is pretty amazing given all those options and the car itself.
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
That's true mark. Looking at the spec I think this time round if I was to order there would be very few options I'd add. The standard spec is very impressive as it is. I would probably go for the Prets, the heated windshield and perhaps the mobile phone interface. Don't think id bother with the Nav pro or the DCC.
Comes in at just over of £30k on DTD which is amazing. Edit: For 3dr DSG
That's a really good price you know, for a car of that spec and speed. Tempted? You must be! :grin:
I went a little more trigger happy on my one :grin: - DSG 3dr, TR, active display, DNS Pro, Dynaudio pack, Speilberg 19's, heated windshield, rear view camera, pano roof, carbon mirrors, tinted glass - came in at 38k on the configurator (so under that magic 40k to not be hit by that extra car tax) - and with a 12% discount that's just over 33k - which is pretty amazing given all those options and the car itself.
That is a great price. The only thing is i think I would be concerned about residuals this time round considering it is just a facelift so would probably keep the options fairly light
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That is a great price. The only thing is i think I would be concerned about residuals this time round considering it is just a facelift so would probably keep the options fairly light
That's a very good point. My thinking is that a 7.5 will hold its value a little better than the 7 given the new look & tech in the car, plus it's going to be at least 3 years (if not longer) before we see a mk 8 R, so it'll be much of a muchness by the time you come round to change. Maybe! :laugh:
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
Do they include deposit contribution for taking out finance? I haven't checked yet but 12% didcount including it seems a little low. Are you sure DTD etc have added it in rather than waiting to add it as at the time of posting they may not have known contribution level?
Either way, if you have the means or alternstive finance options, take the VWFS finance, cancel the finance in the cooling off period (14 days) and the settlement balance will have taken care of the deposit contribution with no penalties, just a day or 2 of interest at about £4 a day.
I did this with the wife's A1 to snag £500 deposit contribution and paid it off the day after collection.
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
Do they include deposit contribution for taking out finance? I haven't checked yet but 12% didcount including it seems a little low. Are you sure DTD etc have added it in rather than waiting to add it as at the time of posting they may not have known contribution level?
Either way, if you have the means or alternstive finance options, take the VWFS finance, cancel the finance in the cooling off period (14 days) and the settlement balance will have taken care of the deposit contribution with no penalties, just a day or 2 of interest at about £4 a day.
I did this with the wife's A1 to snag £500 deposit contribution and paid it off the day after collection.
Yes, the DTD quote stated that it included the VW PCP contribution (it was a grand I think), but again yes you're absolutely right to say to take out the PCP to get the additional contribution then pay it back straight away.
I personally think 12% is too low anyway, I'd look for a minimum of 14-15% discount.
Edit: As an aside, I've just had an email from DTD listing their current discounts, and a 3dr R (7.5) shows a 16% discount. This includes the VW contribution granted, but it does show that 14-15% is easily achievable. In fact after seeing that, I'd push for 17% :laugh:
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I'm still wondering how the GTD Blueline actually works it really cannot be less polluting by THAT much just by swapping the frikkin wheels.
And also asking why when on an R-line you have to pay £495 to upgrade from 17" to 18" wheels yet when they delete it from the GTD for the GTD Blueline, the price is exactly the same.
Just had a thought, if I looked at the R-Line CO2 figures for it with its standard wheels and then looked at the figure quoted for with the optional 18" wheel upgrade, we should see the effect the wheels have shouldn't we?
So turning to Page 42 of the brochure we see that an R-Line 2.0 TDI manual is 111g/km with 17's and 111g/km with 18's. The DSG goes from 120 to 120....
Nope that makes no sense at all.
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Don't forget those DTD discounts include the VW contribution for taking out PCP, so remember to take that off if you're self financing.
Do they include deposit contribution for taking out finance? I haven't checked yet but 12% didcount including it seems a little low. Are you sure DTD etc have added it in rather than waiting to add it as at the time of posting they may not have known contribution level?
Either way, if you have the means or alternstive finance options, take the VWFS finance, cancel the finance in the cooling off period (14 days) and the settlement balance will have taken care of the deposit contribution with no penalties, just a day or 2 of interest at about £4 a day.
I did this with the wife's A1 to snag £500 deposit contribution and paid it off the day after collection.
Yes, the DTD quote stated that it included the VW PCP contribution (it was a grand I think), but again yes you're absolutely right to say to take out the PCP to get the additional contribution then pay it back straight away.
I personally think 12% is too low anyway, I'd look for a minimum of 14-15% discount.
Edit: As an aside, I've just had an email from DTD listing their current discounts, and a 3dr R (7.5) shows a 16% discount. This includes the VW contribution granted, but it does show that 14-15% is easily achievable. In fact after seeing that, I'd push for 17% :laugh:
That's why I asked if it included deposit contribution, before VW were offering any deposit contributions you could always get 12% off, with a grand deposit on offer i'd be expecting 15% to be standard DTD discount.
Slightly tempted by S3 for Sept - those virtual cockpit dials via LCD screen look a bit crap on the GTI youtube clip on the other facelift thread here. Looks fine when they're not being dials before the engine is turned on - I think the cockpit is optional on the S3 so I wouldn't tick that box.
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Just done my R (5dr Manual)/ S3 (Sportback Manual) comparison with DTD and configurator. If I were to get another R, i'd probably not change spec (Prets and Lapiz, nothing else - mainly because I really don't like the design of Cadiz, the actual size of the wheels between 18" and 19" isn't that important to me).
If I was to get the S3, i'd have to tick a few more boxes - Navarra Blue, dimming/folding wing mirrors (not much between getting the dimming and not, but still getting folding mirrors), Rear parking sensors, auto-dimming rear view mirror. Was surprised at the diminished option box, so much more as standard now - and there's about £1700 between the 2 DTD prices, but there's a footnote that the S3 price is cash price, so there's potential to take finance contribution off as the cheapest dealership doesn't include it but the next cheapest does. I'm assuming the next place may be £200 more. I'm guessing another £500 to come off the DTD price with £700 deposit contribution that is £200 cash price dearer than the cheapest.
S3 upside: The S3 would feel like a different car (rather than the same one twice), it has the better looking Nappa or Nappa/Alcantara sports seats, it has very nice dials. Go DSG and the S3 ends up being a £200 showroom tax vs DSG R £500 showroom tax (Manual S3 and Manual R also £500 showroom tax), I like the standard 18" wheels, 3 years breakdown cover included, prefer the front end of the S3 (not by much), toggle navigation (no clumsy touch screen). GFV on Audi's website is massively better than VW's on a 30k miles/3 year basis (£18162 vs £13869 - although that is old R figure as FL figures don't seem to be available right now - can't see it being any better than £16k).
S3 downside: Slightly higher insurance (no ACC sensor as standard, and even if you option it the insurance company won't take it into account), prefer side profile of the R, less standard kit, don't know if Audi have fixed the very open S3's front grille's propensity to allow the intercooler system to get peppered with stones, S3 looks a little slower on paper (they quote 0-62 as 5.3s on the S3 - haven't seen a good reason why, as it is a little lighter - slightly higher gearing than the R?).
The sensible thing to do would be keep my R for 2.5 years to get more wear out of my PSS tyres, let the leasegate stock dissipate that is filtering through right now and order another R or S3 before the next price rise is due.
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The S3 hatch looks wrong imo. Such a bland looking motor. If I were considering an S3, the saloon would be the only one on my radar. By far the best looking in the range. Audi are miserable gits with spec. I'd begrudge paying extra for stuff like auto dimming mirrors... stuff that's standard in a polo ffs.
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Doesn't look like the GFV has went up much on the new model, only by around £600 if my maths is correct.
With still only 12% discount ATM it seems like you'd be paying much more pm for a new FL one :cry:
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj186/mccanno1/598f69efc4b42d73032bfe4855a6b78c.jpg)
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It's gone down Ian, my 3dr DSG R which was £34.4k RRP has a GMFV of £15,100 at 3yrs/30k miles.
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It's gone down Ian, my 3dr DSG R which was £34.4k RRP has a GMFV of £15,100 at 3yrs/30k miles.
The prevalent GFV when I got my R in May 15 was about £15600. I will definitely be looking to get rid of mine privately when the time comes for it to go and get whatever I get via a broker. I was hoping to achieve £18k minimum at 3 years old, considering it will have the remainder of a 5 year warranty and 5 year service pack. I wonder whether that's achievable now? Hopefully when the leasegate stock has been through the dealership network the prices will firm up again.
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I'm still wondering how the GTD Blueline actually works it really cannot be less polluting by THAT much just by swapping the frikkin wheels.
Possibly a combination of smaller wheels AND low rolling resistance tyres (although we have seen no formal information) its possible the GT and other models get tyres from whatever batch is available. Blueline's will always get "Ecosavers"?
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I'm still wondering how the GTD Blueline actually works it really cannot be less polluting by THAT much just by swapping the frikkin wheels.
Possibly a combination of smaller wheels AND low rolling resistance tyres (although we have seen no formal information) its possible the GT and other models get tyres from whatever batch is available. Blueline's will always get "Ecosavers"?
Thanks - I wondered if it was something like the BMW ED or Vauxhall EcoFlex - they always had lower emissions usually by having some extra aerodynamic changes underneath the car (sounds weird, but does seem to work). I wondered if that was the case here too - but then again a Mk7 already has an undertray in the engine bay for example - that's not to keep your shiny engine clean!
No, it still remains to be seen quite how VW launched the Mk7 GTD with absolutely competition slaying CO2 figures which is actually how I ended up with one. Despite not being part of the emissions scandal, 3 years down the line the same model with some different lipstick is almost up there with a GTI for CO2. So much so that they need a new "company car friendly" model to keep selling them.
Sorry, but there is something MASSIVELY wrong here somewhere.
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S3 looks a little slower on paper (they quote 0-62 as 5.3s on the S3 - haven't seen a good reason why, as it is a little lighter - slightly higher gearing than the R?).
MH, when I had my R I encountered a new S3 (same reg) and we had a little play from a rolling start on an empty duel carriageway, and we were neck and neck the whole way (up to the speed limit of course :lipsrsealed:) - it was exactly the same speed. Granted, both were 300ps, so I'd imagine the 310 ones are the same too.
Did I read you wouldn't tick the virtual cockpit in the S3? Honestly, go have a look at one before you do this, it's awesome! I still think the R is the better looking of the two cars though.
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I'm still wondering how the GTD Blueline actually works it really cannot be less polluting by THAT much just by swapping the frikkin wheels.
Possibly a combination of smaller wheels AND low rolling resistance tyres (although we have seen no formal information) its possible the GT and other models get tyres from whatever batch is available. Blueline's will always get "Ecosavers"?
Thanks - I wondered if it was something like the BMW ED or Vauxhall EcoFlex - they always had lower emissions usually by having some extra aerodynamic changes underneath the car (sounds weird, but does seem to work). I wondered if that was the case here too - but then again a Mk7 already has an undertray in the engine bay for example - that's not to keep your shiny engine clean!
No, it still remains to be seen quite how VW launched the Mk7 GTD with absolutely competition slaying CO2 figures which is actually how I ended up with one. Despite not being part of the emissions scandal, 3 years down the line the same model with some different lipstick is almost up there with a GTI for CO2. So much so that they need a new "company car friendly" model to keep selling them.
Sorry, but there is something MASSIVELY wrong here somewhere.
Do all MK7 have the full under tray and bottom aero things that were standard on the MK5/6 Bluemotion cars? I am sure the R has a half size tray.
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My GTD I am fairly sure has a full under tray in the engine bay, not sure about an R
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S3 looks a little slower on paper (they quote 0-62 as 5.3s on the S3 - haven't seen a good reason why, as it is a little lighter - slightly higher gearing than the R?).
MH, when I had my R I encountered a new S3 (same reg) and we had a little play from a rolling start on an empty duel carriageway, and we were neck and neck the whole way (up to the speed limit of course :lipsrsealed:) - it was exactly the same speed. Granted, both were 300ps, so I'd imagine the 310 ones are the same too.
Did I read you wouldn't tick the virtual cockpit in the S3? Honestly, go have a look at one before you do this, it's awesome! I still think the R is the better looking of the two cars though.
It is a toss up between the 2 - lots of little things in the S3's favour, a couple of big things in the R's favour.
The R can be got a bit cheaper, but the S3 has better looking residuals (going off GFV).
The S3 can be got without the virtual cockpit and has great looking dials (I don't like the virtual cockpit from when I saw it in a TTS, something very weird about the flat 2D look of the output, maybe i'd get used to it - all cars are heading this way, so i'll have to!).
The R has more equipment, but Audi has closed that gap quite a bit, I would've had to spend £3k on options pre-facelift to get what I would consider essential, now it is more like £1500.
This Winter more than the last seems to highlight to me how crap and clumsy the touchscreen is in the Golf when the weather is cold. The MMI toggle that Audi uses is much better.
The R does look considerably better side on, but I like the front and back profiles of the S3 as much as those of the R - they're both quite understated externally.
The standard seats in the S3 look much better, the rest of the cabin i'm not arsed about either way - both are good in their own way.
As it is i'll probably be looking to order either (when I make my mind up and assuming I don't pick something else) towards the back end of this year for next March now i've got my sensible head back on! Unless I could get £20k for Sept on mine, i'd be waiting for the 18 plate.
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I am in the boat as you monkeyhanger, although I am looking now. Trying to get a couple test drives in both of an S3 and current golf in DSG/STronic.
It's a very hard call as like you said pluses and minuses to both.
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Interesting comparison MH, as you say tough choice between the two! Nice problem to have though as both are awesome motors :smiley:
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Might be tempted to upgrade my GTD for a new one. DTD seem to be showing 16% off at the moment which is nice when you're at the buying stage but a bit alarming for residuals.
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VW finance were showing a GFV of £10k on a 20k p/a GTD when I got a quote. Doesn't look like the FL has changed much.
Is the car actually worth only 10k after 3 years and 60k on the clock? Of course it isn't.
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I am in the boat as you monkeyhanger, although I am looking now. Trying to get a couple test drives in both of an S3 and current golf in DSG/STronic.
It's a very hard call as like you said pluses and minuses to both.
Hi James,
I am also in the same boat as you, but have test driven the following cars over the past 2 weekends which has left my re-questioning myself on what I want?:
Golf GTI PP DSG (7.0) -
Tested on a wet day and was impressed but not really wow'd over my current GTD performance around 10-50mph
Audi S3 310 BHP (Manual) -
Nice, but standard seats where not a comfy as the golf, also tech was nice but I know the FL golf will have a hi-res screen and prefer to touch the screen to control things instead of a wheel/dial
Golf R DSG (7.0) -
Sounded better than the S3 and felt faster as it was a DSG, seat more comfy and was use to the setup, very fast and gripped really well, i left the car with a big smile on face.
Golf GTI CS 40 DSG (7.0)
Wheel spin city, every time I put my foot hard down, the wheels spun like mad, but I think thats what to be expected of a 265/290 BHP front wheel car.
I thought I made up my mind with R, but keep on re-thinking about waiting for the GTI 7.5 PP with DSG 7 speed due to the increase in MPG and that having all the power i need, as I am thinking when do I really need 310BHP (maybe 15% of the time?).
This is nice problem to have and have offers around 10% off the following R Spec for a cash price:
Golf R 2.0 litre TSI 310ps 5 door DSG 4wd 33,935.00
Lapiz Blue Metallic 630.00
Heat-insulating tinted glass 90% 95.00
DNS PRO 1,325.00
Black 'Vienna' leather 1,750.00
Dynaudio Excite soundpack 550.00
I know I want the 7 speed DSG gearbox and would probably be happy with the performance pack GTI, but I know there is wait :-( Think I might need another go in the GTI PP DSG ?????
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I am in the boat as you monkeyhanger, although I am looking now. Trying to get a couple test drives in both of an S3 and current golf in DSG/STronic.
It's a very hard call as like you said pluses and minuses to both.
Hi James,
I am also in the same boat as you, but have test driven the following cars over the past 2 weekends which has left my re-questioning myself on what I want?:
Golf GTI PP DSG (7.0) -
Tested on a wet day and was impressed but not really wow'd over my current GTD performance around 10-50mph
Audi S3 310 BHP (Manual) -
Nice, but standard seats where not a comfy as the golf, also tech was nice but I know the FL golf will have a hi-res screen and prefer to touch the screen to control things instead of a wheel/dial
Golf R DSG (7.0) -
Sounded better than the S3 and felt faster as it was a DSG, seat more comfy and was use to the setup, very fast and gripped really well, i left the car with a big smile on face.
Golf GTI CS 40 DSG (7.0)
Wheel spin city, every time I put my foot hard down, the wheels spun like mad, but I think thats what to be expected of a 265/290 BHP front wheel car.
I thought I made up my mind with R, but keep on re-thinking about waiting for the GTI 7.5 PP with DSG 7 speed due to the increase in MPG and that having all the power i need, as I am thinking when do I really need 310BHP (maybe 15% of the time?).
This is nice problem to have and have offers around 10% off the following R Spec for a cash price:
Golf R 2.0 litre TSI 310ps 5 door DSG 4wd 33,935.00
Lapiz Blue Metallic 630.00
Heat-insulating tinted glass 90% 95.00
DNS PRO 1,325.00
Black 'Vienna' leather 1,750.00
Dynaudio Excite soundpack 550.00
I know I want the 7 speed DSG gearbox and would probably be happy with the performance pack GTI, but I know there is wait :-( Think I might need another go in the GTI PP DSG ?????
All good cars and I know its very difficult to decide. I have had 3 GTI's now mk5 - 7 and even today for driving around town my GTI non PP is all you really need and I like the seats the steering wheel controls. It does everything well and is definatly a step up from the MK6, however I don't use my car everyday now, so thats what got me thinking to swap to the R or S3 for something that does push on a bit harder and gives the grin factor again.