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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Ian.C on 16 July 2014, 20:50
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Just noticed on APR's FB page this link
http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb.html (http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tsi_gen3_mqb.html)
Nice
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310BHP, I'd be happy spending £500 on that :smiley:
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I'll be buying that the day it's released!
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It's being released in the UK on Monday. I've booked mine in with S-Line Automotive in Ashford for the Monday 28th as I'm off on holiday next week!
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I see the cost ($ anyway) has been released for the induction kit, $449 = £262!? thats well cheap!
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I see the cost ($ anyway) has been released for the induction kit, $449 = £262!? thats well cheap!
I guarantee the price will be circa £500 - although we can all dream about it only being a couple of hundred quid!!
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The price in the US is the same as the previous generations which means that we can expect the UK price to follow suit.
That means it will be £598.80 inc VAT.
The good news is that there is currently an APR promotion on which makes it £479.04 until the end of August.
I'm waiting for pricing to be confirmed but my local dealer seems to thing that's what we should expect.
Like the look of that carbon intake too but keeping my wallet in my pocket until later on that one :cool:
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Got mine booked in for the 28th July to have it done. Just fitted a closed cold air intake so cannot wait for this!
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Jealous, but I'm gonna wait till stage 2 is out. What cai you go for?
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I had a universal fit k&n apollo closed induction kit and ordered some separate pipework for cold air inlet at the front grill. Completely sealed unit and suitable up to around 350-400bhp
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Sounds interesting, got any pics?
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Apparently the APR intake will be released on the same day...
http://www.goapr.com/products/intake_ea888_gen3_mqb.html (http://www.goapr.com/products/intake_ea888_gen3_mqb.html)
Ian
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I can get some pics. It was never a permanent setup. Just wanted something better than standard until custom kits came out. Works really well and much more responsive than standard.
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So what would you guys recommend? APR or Revo remap? Also where is the best place to take it Hertfordshire based or near.
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With the new ones who knows, its always been an area of contention.
Think APR won the previous gen round, but without having any experience this time round its hard to make a call. I believe apr is 310 and revo is 290 (cant remember where ive seen that though) but revo might be a bigger curve etc etc.
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Any word when/if they're looking at the GTDs yet?
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when it comes to choice you get your fans and your floating voters, some like peak power numbers some like a bit more torque, some like linear throttles some don't
don't believe Revo have produced any figures for the GTI or the R as only do on release
both are reliant on a dealer network with Awesome back at the reigns for APR, other things to consider are dealer network, switching etc
speaking to someone who has gone to an OBD map from a tuning box today and first thing he said was the map was far better in terms of drivability on a manual R
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I believe someone on here had a chat with them at inters and thats what they said, be interesting if the figures do differ
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APR 310 bhp Revo 290bhp sounds excessive for a stage 1!?!?
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where have you been mate! you get 280 out of tuning box after all
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Spoke to Amd tuning today but they could not give a price or any info really. Just said call back monday..
Any 1 who gets one would be great if you could do a short review etc..
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would appear Revo have released the R map first :grin:
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would appear Revo have released the R map first :grin:
Not a bad move! Each doing a targeted move.
It'll be interesting to see the relative graphs.
Having had one of REVO's first maps on one of the UK's first mk6's I can remember with a smile what an animal it was torque wise on the 98 map and how civilised it was on the 95 map which made it very much an 'all season' car.
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The APR vs Revo debate starts.....
Lets face it....all the figures in the world mean nothing if the car doesn't drive nice....ive used Revo on several cars before....Do bear in mind those top figures APR are quoting do involve using 104 octane fuel..!!
From a very personnel view im going to try APR this time....due to a few reasons.
1- Im liking the R&D they have put into it
2- Map switching without needing an additional unit
3- APR tend to produce other hardware at a later date.
4- I did actually have very poor customer service from Revo on my last car...(long story...!)
5- Im able to get a very good deal (better than 20% off) on the APR map.
I would get our car done on Monday if I wasnt at work....but it will be done sometime next week.
Only my opinion and not taking away from the work Revo has done
Thanks
Ian
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Impressive figures :cool: I'm looking forward to stage 2 map. Any ideas as to power and torque increases over stage 1, and when stage a 2 map will be released?
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I saw 340 on a dyno on aprs fb
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I spoke to revo at gti international they said that there map is going through final beta testing & it should be good for 290bhp which sounded good at the time , but now Apr a promising over 300bhp ill probably go with them , will try &get it booked in for Monday
Here is a revo's teaser video of a mapped golf r http://youtu.be/PsMwbwspLKk
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http://youtu.be/HYVuuN6ZWyI lol its even funnier if you've seen the film it's from
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Thats awsome ...funny as hell iv sent it to my dealer...
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Nice one....
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Pee came out whilst watching :grin:
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Still nothing on prices. I have contact my local APR dealer but they haven't been sent anything across as yet. I'm still booked in for Monday so hopefully I won't cry when he tells me the price!
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Thanks! That video is one of the funniest I seen!
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UK price is £599+VAT (£718.80)
Currently 20% discount so £575
Ian
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UK price is £599+VAT (£718.80)
Currently 20% discount so £575
Ian
Disappointing that they've gone high with it, would've been nice to get it at the same price as previous versions...
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Jesus Christ nice and cheap then
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I have been told that the UK map hasn't been released yet. It's out everywhere but here apparently
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I have contacted Apr UK direct and they gave the above price also but as above its not out yet in UK ..some thing about additional testing due to different fuel specs in US....thats what he said anyway..says its normally a week or so after US release. ?.come on Apr..get a grip
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Strange, you'd have thought they'd have been testing it in Europe longer
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Yep I thought the same..but thats what he guy at Apr UK told me...
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Typical us brits are last on the list again,&then there is revo who have just launched there map but on the mk7 r first, the wait continues.
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It looks like Revo are being more honest and up front where TD1 is concerned..
Taken from their site
Have you read this from Revo site ........IS REVO SOFTWARE UNDETECTABLE? SALES SUPPORT
By law, Revo and our Authorised Dealers have to inform you that you are making a modification to your vehicle. This modification should be declared to insurance companies. There are modification friendly insurance companies out there, just keep looking.
The long and short answer is 'No, Revo software is not undetectable'.
On first glance, there is no reason for your dealer to realise that your engines ECU has Revo Software flashed. Revo create all of our software from full factory software, and write an entire software file to the ECU, as opposed to “data area” files used by other tuners.
As the ECU will ID, DTC check, and function as it would with factory software, switched to Stock Mode using an SPS it is virtually undetectable by the main dealer. Dealer tools are constantly evolving to incorporate new technology, there is always a possibility that main dealer tools could see that an ECU has been modified and isn’t stock.
If of course the dealer drives the vehicle in performance mode it will be obvious to the driver that the car has been modified. This could be confirmed by data logging the car and seeing that certain requested ECU parameters are higher than expected for a standard vehicle. The long and short of it is we cannot guaranty the software will go un-noticed by the main dealer.
NOTE: As of 2013, the VW Group online dealer tools have the ability to see software on any modified vehicle. When a modified vehicle is plugged in online it is flagged on the system, this flag is called TD1 please read the below overview:
TD1is the VW Audi Group warranty ‘Flag’ for a vehicle that has been modified, this is something you should all be well aware of. If you’re not then please note; since the change in main dealer on-line diagnostic tools throughout 2013 performance software can and will be seen when a vehicle is plugged into online at a main dealer. This is the case even if it’s switched to ‘stock’ mode, it is possible although not confirmed that TD1 could be flagged if a vehicle has been flashed with any tool other than the OEM online system. Our recommendation to all our dealers is to make the vehicle owner aware that their warranty will be affected if they have software installed on their vehicle; this isn’t anything new as we’ve never claimed software is undetectable however prior to the new main dealer systems Revo software did tend to go unnoticed.
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APR MK7 GTI ECU Upgrade - Acceleration Testing: http://youtu.be/rPRJcvizE1w
Sent from Samsung Mobile
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i hope they put more time into the remap than they did in editing that video...
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UK price is £599+VAT (£718.80)
Currently 20% discount so £575
Ian
Surely it's just £599? 20% being the VAT rate, we just don't pay the additional VAT amount?
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yeah are we sure thats right, the mk6 and mk5 maps were £598 inc vat?
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yeah are we sure thats right, the mk6 and mk5 maps were £598 inc vat?
I think this one is more expensive, the guys supposed to be doing mine confirmed the same price.
I'm just saying it can't be £575 with 20% off
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i see, its maths is it, ive read about this somewhere.
718 / 100 * 20 = 143.6
I'll let you work out the rest :)
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i see, its maths is it, ive read about this somewhere.
718 / 100 * 20 = 143.6
I'll let you work out the rest :)
OK so maths was never my strong point :)
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Right then...
£599 + VAT@20% = £718
However, a 20% discount on the whole amount would be £575.
This is because VAT is added as a percentage of the original price (£599) but normally any discount (in this case 20%) would be on the whole amount (£718) therefore giving a final price of £575
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Had a call from APR today saying the map has officially been released in the UK.
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Yep, was round my mates place today when he got an email to say the GTi MK7 remap is released. He is an APR dealer :)
Looks like amazing power gains for the outlay - currently with a 20% discount.
Just waiting for the GTD version now :(
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Trying to get booked in for this tomorrow :grin:
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First day I can get over to Awesome is Monday.....booked in....cannot wait...
Ian
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Confirmed, 9am slot - will post my thoughts asap :cool: :laugh:
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Nice one Monsta! Wanna here all about it.
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Montana have you had any tuning boxes on your Gti? Hoping for a comparison between the two
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A quick point to watch out for regarding the remap with a DSG gearbox. I've heard some users (on VWVortex IIRC) are commenting that there is a significant jerk changing from 1st to 2nd on part throttle, thought to be caused by the torque limiting in first changing to second where there is no torque limiting.
Might be wrth keeping an eye on.
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OK folks, just got back from the APR dealer S-Line Automotive in Ashford. Turns out mine was the first in the UK to have it done :grin:
First impressions are there is an incredible amount of power there now, my words were "Wow" when I first put my foot down.
Having only had a 15 mile drive on A roads behind traffic mostly back to the office I haven't been able to fully assess the amount of torque/power throughout the rev range but on planting my foot into the carpet it really does shift and the traction control definitely has it's work cut out in first/second gear!
I'll be driving it on a motorway run for about 1hr 45 mins tonight so I'll give it a good test then!
(http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/justinwanstall/2014-07-31094718_zpsd8d6a9d2.jpg)(http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/justinwanstall/2014-07-31093154_zps496a8eae.jpg)(http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab308/justinwanstall/2014-07-31101351_zps1c54f5d1.jpg)
Bang for buck, unbeatable so far.
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Montana have you had any tuning boxes on your Gti? Hoping for a comparison between the two
No never tried the tuning boxes I'm afraid
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i am uber jealous, where feck is stage 2!! think im going to have mine done by shark though
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i am uber jealous, where feck is stage 2!! think im going to have mine done by shark though
I'm sure Stage 2 will be on the way, they seem to put an incredible amount of testing into these things which is very reassuring!
Might have to go and have a lunchtime drive :cool:
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Had a lunchtime blast up the dual carriageway, 6th gear just goes and goes, crazy.
You have to be really controlled in 1st/2nd or the wheels are gonna spin. Third gear though, away you go! And boy does it go. I can see why they keep 300 HP to the 4WD cars.
Very impressed. :laugh:
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just beware of doing those 6th gear pulls as that is what will kill your clutch, dropping a gear will help as you can use the power rather than the torque
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Montana have you had any tuning boxes on your Gti? Hoping for a comparison between the two
I should be able to give you a comparison on Monday....ill post some thoughts next week.
Ian
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just beware of doing those 6th gear pulls as that is what will kill your clutch, dropping a gear will help as you can use the power rather than the torque
Good tip, thanks. Thought higher gears would be safer :smiley:
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Look forward to more updates on this as I have enquired and very likely to have this installed.
Monsta - were you advised to add an uprated cooler (intercooler?) when available?
Speaking ( via mail ) with the APR agent they seemed to think this best as the temps could rise enough for the engine to go into 'safe mode'!
Having said that they said Stage 1 will run ok as it is!
Cheers for any info.
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It sounds like APR are running this very close to the limits of the engine!
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Well I don't think they would release a fundamentally flawed product for what is essentially general consumer use.
Maybe it's a track day reliability thing. I mean I have read that people are noticing eng temp drops in general use seemingly without an upgraded cooler so the engine can't be under huge stress!
Personally i'd be more concerned about the clutch.
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Yeah cooling wouldn't be a major concern. The clutch wouldn't be a cheap fix if it did decide to die.
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I've been waiting for this map for so long & now that it's been released there is a lot of negatives
Firstly having dsg people have said 1st to 2nd has become less than smooth.
Also been mentioned the diff on pp will only handle toque of 280fp
Then there is warranty , any problems that might arise with any of the oily parts will.be impossible to claim because vw will read the ecu & give it a td1 which voids the warranty for the 3 years.
Then lastly drive ability, is 1st - 2nd going to be impossible to get the power down .
Just a few concerns, but having said all that will probably get it booked next week.
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The TD1 flag is concerning me aswell....im seriously considering cancelling my appointment on Monday.
From what I can Google - Audi have had this system in place since 2012 but im unsure when VW started using it. My doubt regarding what does and does not happen regarding TD1 flags / dealers / warranty is based on the fact our Scirocco was mapped and in late 2013 we had a new clutch assy replaced on warranty....so obviously either the TD1 flag was not a issue for the claim or they never scanned the car.
At this stage I might wait it out to see what happens and if anyone reports issues with VW uk and TD1 flags
Ian
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I think if you have a manual gearbox you will probably kill the clutch Apr have a disclaimer on there website stating this ,I'm still on the fence but have a couple weeks before the 20% off deal ends to make my mind up.
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Monsta - were you advised to add an uprated cooler (intercooler?) when available?
Yeah they said if it didn't put out the figures published then it might need an upgraded intercooler. But it was suggested that it wouldn't be a problem for stage 1.
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I've been waiting for this map for so long & now that it's been released there is a lot of negatives
Firstly having dsg people have said 1st to 2nd has become less than smooth.
Also been mentioned the diff on pp will only handle toque of 280fp
Then there is warranty , any problems that might arise with any of the oily parts will.be impossible to claim because vw will read the ecu & give it a td1 which voids the warranty for the 3 years.
Then lastly drive ability, is 1st - 2nd going to be impossible to get the power down .
Just a few concerns, but having said all that will probably get it booked next week.
The TD1 flag is concerning me aswell....im seriously considering cancelling my appointment on Monday.
From what I can Google - Audi have had this system in place since 2012 but im unsure when VW started using it. My doubt regarding what does and does not happen regarding TD1 flags / dealers / warranty is based on the fact our Scirocco was mapped and in late 2013 we had a new clutch assy replaced on warranty....so obviously either the TD1 flag was not a issue for the claim or they never scanned the car.
At this stage I might wait it out to see what happens and if anyone reports issues with VW uk and TD1 flags
Ian
The guys I went to said that it if was going into VW even for a service they could put it back to standard for me. I think in terms of the clutch you have to treat it carefully, really depends on how you intend to drive it. If you're gonna rag it around everywhere all the time then you'll have problems but personally I intend to use the extra power in careful measure.
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Also Eco mode is good for controlling things :)
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I've been waiting for this map for so long & now that it's been released there is a lot of negatives
Firstly having dsg people have said 1st to 2nd has become less than smooth.
Also been mentioned the diff on pp will only handle toque of 280fp
Then there is warranty , any problems that might arise with any of the oily parts will.be impossible to claim because vw will read the ecu & give it a td1 which voids the warranty for the 3 years.
Then lastly drive ability, is 1st - 2nd going to be impossible to get the power down .
Just a few concerns, but having said all that will probably get it booked next week.
According to the ABT powered GTI article in "Volkswagen Driver" magazine this month they have talked to VW
and have subsequently limited the power to 300BHP and the torque to 310lbft, especially for the DSG box! I have a manual box and so assume you could push it a bit further, depending on how you drive. :whistle:
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I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. There are people running 400bhp in mk6's on standard dsg boxes... let's save these concerns for when they release stage 2+ :smiley:
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Still undecided what to go for, Apr abt or dtuk.
Apr with 316bhp & 381ft-lbs sounds good but worried all that toque with break something.
Dtuk has the bonus of being able to remove it when needed, but has lower power & could be a problem for me installing it, because I'm rubbish under the bonnet.
Abt could be the sweet spot for power &torque, but will need to speak to them about pricing, don't want to spend more than £600.
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I had a quote a few months ago from abt. I think your talking around £1800 and it's a add on module!!
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I had a quote a few months ago from abt. I think your talking around £1800 and it's a add on module!!
Wow £1800 way to much, I'll probably go for Apr, if I run the car on 95ron it will lower the bhp& torque to kept the wife happy.
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I had a quote a few months ago from abt. I think your talking around £1800 and it's a add on module!!
Wow £1800 way to much, I'll probably go for Apr, if I run the car on 95ron it will lower the bhp& torque to kept the wife happy.
Got mine on 95 RON. Incidentally REVO have just released theirs, which has a little less torque according to their figures...
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=269458.0#new (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=269458.0#new)
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Interesting statement form APR saying even flashing back to stock map is still detectable...(see last paragraph)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad108/ian5858/apr_zps3ad9cad8.jpg)
Ian
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Interesting statement form APR saying even flashing back to stock map is still detectable...(see last paragraph)
Ian
Detectable at the factory it said on there, who knows. Time will tell. If anyone is really bothered then we shouldn't even be thinking about a remap!
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Interesting statement form APR saying even flashing back to stock map is still detectable...(see last paragraph)
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad108/ian5858/apr_zps3ad9cad8.jpg)
Ian
Post no 444 on this he says it's not :huh:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7007282-APR-Presents-the-MK7-GTI-ECU-Upgrade!/page13
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I'm thinking no-one.. even APR actually know the details of td1 and what Vw cab and cannot detect...
Ian
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GTI with Stage 1 APR vs Stock Golf R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DgkFijk-M&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DgkFijk-M&feature=youtu.be)
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GTI with Stage 1 APR vs Stock Golf R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DgkFijk-M&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DgkFijk-M&feature=youtu.be)
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Without sounding stupid. Which one is the R and which is the GTI? It's very confusing.
The camera car sounds like the R but the other car has tinted R lights. It's too dark to see the exhaust on the front car but I'm hoping the GTI is in front as it should be due to having a ton more torque.
Mathematically speaking how would a car with 300BHP & 380NM of Torque with a heavy 4 wheel drive system beat a lighter GTI with 310BHP & 488NM of torque ale specially on a rolling start like the one above where the 4 wheel drive system is contributing nothing to the R apart from weighing it down.
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Yes. Assuming both cars start at same speed, gear & rpm then the gti will win. I assumed the white car is the gti & they wanted to highlight the fact that in this specific case the gti is quicker than the R. Maybe I'm imagining it but the bonnet of the camera car looks lapis bluish?
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GTI with Stage 1 APR vs Stock Golf R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DgkFijk-M&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DgkFijk-M&feature=youtu.be)
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Without sounding stupid. Which one is the R and which is the GTI? It's very confusing.
The camera car sounds like the R but the other car has tinted R lights. It's too dark to see the exhaust on the front car but I'm hoping the GTI is in front as it should be due to having a ton more torque.
Mathematically speaking how would a car with 300BHP & 380NM of Torque with a heavy 4 wheel drive system beat a lighter GTI with 310BHP & 488NM of torque ale specially on a rolling start like the one above where the 4 wheel drive system is contributing nothing to the R apart from weighing it down.
The car that wins is the GTI, they aren't R lights from what I can see (I have them on my GTI and they are not as red as that video shows). As you say the sound is the raspy R sound.
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80 PS gain just from software...
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interesting link on R Forum about APR
http://i.gyazo.com/23af93a5753fe44c053c8424df1411ad.png
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interesting link on R Forum about APR
http://i.gyazo.com/23af93a5753fe44c053c8424df1411ad.png
Do you know what forum that screenshot is of?
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Steve from Stattlers posted it, all be it was pretty much what i was told yesterday from a tuner who only does hardware yesterday