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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Granta Gti on 27 January 2013, 20:19
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anybody heavy into their gym and on proteins, creatine and pre-work out suppliments?
i started october last year and really enjoy it.i was taking jack 3d as a pre work out supplement and had really good sessions with it, i would take it half an hour before gym and my face and arms would tingle before i started, it just felt like it gave me the extra boost to do a couple more reps each set.
unfortunately jack 3d has been banned from the UK as someone died taking it in the states, probably the wrong way or other drugs were in use, i dont know! cant get it any more but only jack 3d micro which i feel is a watered down version of it and its just not that effective :sad:
is anybody into their gyming and can recommend me a pre work out supplement??
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i have read MENTAL stuff about this, should give you the boost you're looking for. i don't use preworkouts, try and keep it as natural as possible, but i do use protein shakes as i'm too lazy to cook when i'm back, so i eat lots an hour before, and use GNC LiveWell Super Whey Protein. Good stuff.
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http://www.discount-supplements.co.uk/sports-supplements-pre-workout-gaspari-nutrition-superpump-max-640g
Have used this before and its lethal stuff, do not take it if you do a late work out, you will not get to sleep.
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Great thanks! I will try that! That was the same as the jack if you only did a small session you won't sleep!! A colleague tried it and can't sleep but I will give those a shot! Cheers
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Chin it all off, and stick with a good diet. Plenty of protein and carbs in the right balance will work wonders.
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Agreed with chuff!!
Iv changed my diet completely, a lot of fruit and veg every day! With 3 protine shakes a day and a pre work out shake on weight day!
3 days cardio aswell!!
Search for cris gething his workouts are very good!! I'm
Half way trough it ATM!! Very good results!
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:huh: :huh: what did I say :undecided:
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:huh: :huh: what did I say :undecided:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Apparently you're now Lewy.
I've been lingering the BodyBuilding.com forums and have learnt a bunch about this kind of thing. I'm currently doing fat loss but I'm training too. Been doing it a few weeks but your key friend is your diet. Eat the right stuff and you'll be alright. None of this extra buzz crap. You won't be doing yourself any favours.
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:huh: :huh: what did I say :undecided:
:grin: :grin: :grin:
Apparently you're now Lewy.
I've been lingering the BodyBuilding.com forums and have learnt a bunch about this kind of thing. I'm currently doing fat loss but I'm training too. Been doing it a few weeks but your key friend is your diet. Eat the right stuff and you'll be alright. None of this extra buzz crap. You won't be doing yourself any favours.
What would you say is a good diet, how often do you eat?
I understand what you are saying but protein shakes do give you the extra proteins with out carbs
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It's bit of a minefield all of this stuff, some people will say good things, some will say bad.
I recommend if you want a bit of a hit before going then knock back some strong black coffee to pep you up or get some caffine tablets. Bananas are a good source of energy before the gym, and/or a weak protein shake to give you a bit more energy.
3 protein shakes a day is a bit much unless you are properly training for competition, if it isn't used it's converted to fat.
If serious then knock your meals down to smaller portions and spread them in to 5/6 meals. Snacks in between are nuts or fruit like cashews, brazils, almonds, apples, satsumas, pears.
Ultimately the above is for weight loss and cutting, if you want to bulk or put on mass then you need a few more carbs and larger lean protein portions.
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From what I've understood of all this (I'm new to this too), protein shakes are there for convenience, they aren't bad but you should get your protein from natural sources such as chicken, fish, etc.
My diet seems to be working for me but it will vary from person to person as everyone is different, but you should be eating more wholesome foods, making stuff yourself and include veggies and fruit. I've been doing it since the beginning of January now and I've lost 6 pounds (not cash, but fat). :grin:
I would suggest you have a read through their forums but first and foremost read this:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=121703981
It makes a lot of sense once you get to grips with it. If you're trying to lose weight you need to be eating at a calorie deficit, not much but enough that it's healthy. Like I said, read through their forums and it will start making sense.
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Sorry chuff :grin:
Yeah ultimately it's all about the diet!! Maybe the 3 shakes I take a day isn't the best for me, but there not doing me any harm, and the workout I'm doing ATM, mass bulk with high amount of reps low weight working up to low rep high weight is working wonders!!
With the added 3 days a week 'rest' days cardio! Is doing me wonders really improving my focus and goals!!
I'm having porage every morning! Haven't had brekfast for years! Cut all the choc out and sweets! And I feel great for it!!
And drink 2l of water a day! I drink 1l in the day and 1l during training!
My skin has improved a lot aswell, not as spotty etc!
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Sorry chuff :grin:
Yeah ultimately it's all about the diet!! Maybe the 3 shakes I take a day isn't the best for me, but there not doing me any harm, and the workout I'm doing ATM, mass bulk with high amount of reps low weight working up to low rep high weight is working wonders!!
With the added 3 days a week 'rest' days cardio! Is doing me wonders really improving my focus and goals!!
I'm having porage every morning! Haven't had brekfast for years! Cut all the choc out and sweets! And I feel great for it!!
And drink 2l of water a day! I drink 1l in the day and 1l during training!
My skin has improved a lot aswell, not as spotty etc!
Sounds good mate. I'm the same (cut out all the crap). There's nothing wrong with having protein shakes like I said, but is better from natural sources first. Protein shake is good for after a workout though.
It's a good feeling after working out, although as I'm new to it all after doing weights my muscles were crying out last week, especially legs. Walked like a zombie on Wednesday which was 2 days after the leg workout. Hopefully next week will be more forgiving.
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It's great!!
Ahh yeah it's legs day today!! Used to it now but it's still the worse day ever!! :whistle:
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A great pre workout would be to have a black coffee with coconut oil and a few almonds. Avoid eating anything that is carbs pre-workout (I assume fat loss is the goal). Eating carbs pre is counterproductive.
RE protein shakes, to begin i would only take post workout (unless you are unable to get your daily protein requirement in during the day without them). Stick to meats, veg and good fats.
a great fat loss tip I always utilise with clients is to increase non-starchy vegetables to 500g/50kg of body weight for a couple of weeks. Never fails do drop pounds. Sounds like a lot, but it works!
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remember too many 'roids will give you a tinky winky! :grin:
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3 protein shakes a day is a bit much unless you are properly training for competition, if it isn't used it's converted to fat.
Since when?? Think you have been reading the wrong Info. It's excess carbs that converts to fat.
Try and Ingest a 1g of protien per pound of bodyweight.
So depending on what your diet is, you need to supplement extra protien to achieve this. Whether it is 1 or 2 scoops per shake depending in your lean weight.
A shake directly after training with some carbs aids recovery. Another before bed, and first thing in the morning is fine.
It's Not always possible to eat proper food when at work so you have to compromise.
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^^ yea correct!!
I have 2 scoop after my porrage
1 scoop after gym
2 scoop as a puding with a banna before bed!
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Did you mean porridge?? :laugh:
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3 protein shakes a day is a bit much unless you are properly training for competition, if it isn't used it's converted to fat.
Since when?? Think you have been reading the wrong Info. It's excess carbs that converts to fat.
Since the beginning of man.
It does depend on just how much you are ingesting and how active you are. As it will primarily be broken down to aid muscle repair and energy use, but by that logic you could just stuff yourself with protein and become the same size as Ronnie Coleman.
There are plenty of sites, and papers that describe the numerous breakdown phases of protein as it is used, it is not quite so simple as it goes in and muscle grows though. Sadly. :sad:
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I have about 4 shakes a day as well as 4 meals
Combination of a Complete All In One & Complete Protein Blend
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3 protein shakes a day is a bit much unless you are properly training for competition, if it isn't used it's converted to fat.
Since when?? Think you have been reading the wrong Info. It's excess carbs that converts to fat.
Since the beginning of man.
It does depend on just how much you are ingesting and how active you are. As it will primarily be broken down to aid muscle repair and energy use, but by that logic you could just stuff yourself with protein and become the same size as Ronnie Coleman.
There are plenty of sites, and papers that describe the numerous breakdown phases of protein as it is used, it is not quite so simple as it goes in and muscle grows though. Sadly. :sad:
It's not relavent to this. The amount of protein you have to ingest Would have to be massive. It's possible it can happen. But the likelihood of it doing so in this situation is slim to none.
Yes protein aids recovery but you mainly piss the excess out.
I've never come across anyone getting fat on pure protien. In fact you're more likely to become leaner.
Reading papers, sites is all well and good. Real life experience tells you more. :wink:
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That's like saying Americans don't get fat on a high protein diet of red meat. Protein can be converted to fat.
All depends on recovery, energy burnt, daily calorie diet and metabolism that determines if the excess protein will ever get stored.
With loosing body fat, high reps, cardio and reduced calorie diet would work best for someone overweight.
There's T3/T4 that can aid in metabolism, but that's heading into the realm of roids. But then again UK roid laws are intresting and online prescription meds. Such as roids are class c or b but are legal for personal use, but illegal for reselling and dealing. Then most meds like codeine you can obtain online by entering required symptoms and a private practitioner will approve it, as its no different than using a private GP eg Bupa, rather than NHS. It's how junkies get their codeine/morphine fix.
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That's rubbish. Do you think those Americans are only eating a high protein diet? What about the carbs in the supersize drinks and the bread and the trans fats in the fast food and massive portion sizes?
All you are on about is calories in < calories out.
If you are on a high protien diet. The protein wont covert to fat.
Only way it could do it is if the protein got converted to glucose first and only if the amount produced were then in excess of daily maintenance requirements would there be conversion to fat.
The point is, no human could eat enough on a daily basis to allow that to happen.
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The iron arm knows :cool:
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When you consume more protein than your body needs to supply its amino acid demands, the excess protein can be burned for energy. Your body burns molecules for energy using a series of chemical reactions known as the citric acid cycle. Excess amino acids can be turned into molecules that can be used in the citric acid cycle via a chemical process known as transamination. For example, some amino acids can be converted into the molecule acetyl CoA, an important molecule for the citric acid cycle. If you consume more protein than your body needs each day, the excess protein will be converted into body fat. Many athletes consume large amounts of protein to try to promote weight gain, but much of this added weight will be in the form of fat. In addition, consuming excessive amounts of protein can also affect the health of other parts of your body, esp kidneys.
A calorie is a calorie. Once you meet your basic nutrient needs it doesn't matter where the rest of your calories come from. If it's more energy than you need, you'll gain weight. The average adult only needs 0.8 grams of protein per kg body weight. If you are doing intense muscle building exercise raise that to 1 or 1.2. Otherwise any surplus protein just gets converted to fat. Keep in mind that you need to be eating carbohydrates in addition to protein. Your body needs a constant supply of glucose, mostly for brain function. If your body doesn't get this glucose from carbs it will break down the protein your feeding it instead. Not a huge deal..but a waste of expensive high-quality protein. I would suggest using the 0.8/kg body weight ratio to figure out how much you need. Dieters/exercisers tend to get obsessed with protein for some reason. All protien contains calories (Optimum protien shake 120 calories per shake).
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uhrghhhh :sick: my pre workout drink 'orange burst' is forking foul! :sick:
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uhrghhhh :sick: my pre workout drink 'orange burst' is forking foul! :sick:
I'm going to be using protein shakes as of tonight, only after workout though, and if I haven't hit my protein macro for the day (which would be rare as I usually do, love chicken!).
What's Orange Burst? Sounds nice.... :grin:
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It's not nice! It's like a foul orangey powdery taste!!
Just did a 30k ride on the bike in gym :laugh: a lot of clunge in there tonight :lipsrsealed:
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It's not nice! It's like a foul orangey powdery taste!!
Just did a 30k ride on the bike in gym :laugh: a lot of clunge in there tonight :lipsrsealed:
:evil: like this :wink:
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http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/caltp.htm
I need 122g of protine a day!! I ear 2 Brest of chicken a day and ushually a can of tuna!
So the shakes help for sure!
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It's not nice! It's like a foul orangey powdery taste!!
Just did a 30k ride on the bike in gym :laugh: a lot of clunge in there tonight :lipsrsealed:
I was asking the owner at my gym what I should be using at the stage I'm at so I've got some Peptide Fusion - chocolate peanut butter flavour. Tastes fookin' lovely!
I don't envy your choice. :grin:
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Bastard! :grin:
My strawberry and cream protine shakes are lush! But still sh!t! Nothing beats new quick!
Mehh iv got 120 servings of this pre work out aswell!! :sick:
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It's not nice! It's like a foul orangey powdery taste!!
Just did a 30k ride on the bike in gym :laugh: a lot of clunge in there tonight :lipsrsealed:
What are your goals? If you are trying to build muscle, a 30k bike ride isn't going to help.
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Ordered the muscle warfare pre work out drink so will let you know when it arrives :smiley:
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Cardio just aids calorie deficit and helps to build stamina, diet and weights are key to muscle building. I'm doing weights as well as cardio as I'm just trying to lower my fat at a fast bit steady pace.
Like tshirt says though, if you're building muscle which I assume you are wanting, excessive cardio isn't the way to go. By all means use it to aid but don't make it a primary workout.
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Cardio is only my main focus for the next 4 weeks to sh!t a bit of fat around my belly ready for oz!!
As soon as I'm back from oz it's hitting the gym hard time!!
I don't ushually do 30k but I didn't Wana get off the bike until the bird infront of me got off the cross trainer!! Just so hapend she got on 20 mins after me! :undecided:
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Make sure your eating eating under maintenance as well then. You could easily lose 4-6 lbs just by eating 400/500 less calories a day for the next 4 weeks.
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I've gone from eating no fruit, to 3 a day as snacks instead of crisps chock etc, no bread it's brown rice , tuna or chicken! And decent meals of a night' and actually eating brek!! As I am now!! Next Sunday will be 4 weeks of this rageme so ill weigh then!! 180lbs I was to start! But I am 6"2 :lipsrsealed:
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I've gone from eating no fruit, to 3 a day as snacks instead of crisps chock etc, no bread it's brown rice , tuna or chicken! And decent meals of a night' and actually eating brek!! As I am now!! Next Sunday will be 4 weeks of this rageme so ill weigh then!! 180lbs I was to start! But I am 6"2 :lipsrsealed:
Quite slim then! Just under 13 stone an that weight with some round your middle means you should be trying to build muscle to aid your fat burning potential. Running will just make you a smaller version of what you are now. And you won't necessarily lose the belly.
Eating fruit is good but as a diet aid, you need to realise it also contains sugar. So dont have too much.
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I've gone from eating no fruit, to 3 a day as snacks instead of crisps chock etc, no bread it's brown rice , tuna or chicken! And decent meals of a night' and actually eating brek!! As I am now!! Next Sunday will be 4 weeks of this rageme so ill weigh then!! 180lbs I was to start! But I am 6"2 :lipsrsealed:
180lbs is very light for someone 6ft 2 :undecided:
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I will upload a pic of myself when I get home! :grin:
Also training for London to Brighton this year!
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I've just started to eat healthy as weighed myself at 5"11 at 14 stone which is a kick to the kidneys as this time last year I was 12 and a half and pretty much eat the same but now my diet has completely changed, friends writing me up an eating plan already and I do 10 press ups in morning, 10 midday and 10 at night just go get me used to working out then slowly do more and start cardio at the gym, don't really want to get muscles just fitter and healthier
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anybody heavy into their gym and on proteins, creatine and pre-work out suppliments?
i started october last year and really enjoy it.i was taking jack 3d as a pre work out supplement and had really good sessions with it, i would take it half an hour before gym and my face and arms would tingle before i started, it just felt like it gave me the extra boost to do a couple more reps each set.
unfortunately jack 3d has been banned from the UK as someone died taking it in the states, probably the wrong way or other drugs were in use, i dont know! cant get it any more but only jack 3d micro which i feel is a watered down version of it and its just not that effective :sad:
is anybody into their gyming and can recommend me a pre work out supplement??
explains it all here... not a very nice supplement really is it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21262717 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21262717)
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I've gone from eating no fruit, to 3 a day as snacks instead of crisps chock etc, no bread it's brown rice , tuna or chicken! And decent meals of a night' and actually eating brek!! As I am now!! Next Sunday will be 4 weeks of this rageme so ill weigh then!! 180lbs I was to start! But I am 6"2 :lipsrsealed:
180lbs is very light for someone 6ft 2 :undecided:
What's that in stone?
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12 stone, 8lbs.
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Ive been training on and off for 25 years and my advice is stay away from preworkout drinks.
A couple of bananas and a protein shake is perfect for me before a workout, if im extremely tired ill take a T5 (caffeine/aspirin/ephedrine)
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12 stone, 8lbs.
It's actually 12stone 11lbs. :wink: 0.8 stone = 11lbs
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12 stone, 8lbs.
It's actually 12stone 11lbs. :wink: 0.8 stone = 11lbs
I was close. :grin:
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I will upload a pic of myself when I get home! :grin:
taking you a long time to get home :laugh:
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I will upload a pic of myself when I get home! :grin:
taking you a long time to get home :laugh:
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:grin: totally forgot!! Just on ze bike ATM in gym once
I'll get me pics off my camra when home
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Haaaa!! No starting pics!! She didn't have the memory card in the camra when she took them!!
I shall shower and take a 'now' pic! But I have lost weight cince starting! :smiley:
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Haaaa!! No starting pics!! She didn't have the memory card in the camra when she took them!!
I shall shower and take a 'now' pic! But I have lost weight cince starting! :smiley:
Ooof a wet pic :grin: :whistle:
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Haaaa!! No starting pics!! She didn't have the memory card in the camra when she took them!!
I shall shower and take a 'now' pic! But I have lost weight cince starting! :smiley:
Ooof a wet pic :grin: :whistle:
Dry actually!!
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My stomach is actually a lot better than a month ago!! And my shoulders are filling out real nice! Shoulders today actually, later on after the dreaded tesco food shop :rolleyes:
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If I were you, I'd stop being a tw@t and be glad you got that body and not mine. :grin:
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If I were you, I'd stop being a tw@t and be glad you got that body and not mine. :grin:
:laugh: ushually I'm quite pale, but sunbeds are helping! Lol
It don't look that bad in pics! :kiss:
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I can't believe you have put a pic of yourself in your pants on a male dominated car forum.....surprised photoshop hilarity hasn't already commenced.......
Good luck :laugh:
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Personally I don't use pre workouts, Only thing I use is whey protein and that changes a lot, try different brands all the time.
Best thing to do is to try and eat well and a lot! Get a proper routine worked out for each muscle group and change it at least every 4 weeks incorporating different exercises, try to train at least 3 times a week!
Also a lot of people who start at the gym only work there upper body, You have to work your legs! Doing exercises like squats, deadlifts (back) leg press, basically most things to do with your legs helps raise your body's level of growth hormones!
I've been training 4 years and I'm pretty addicted to the gym, Keep it up and most importantly don't get tempted to touch roids!
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Also a lot of people who start at the gym only work there upper body, You have to work your legs! Doing exercises like squats, deadlifts (back) leg press, basically most things to do with your legs helps raise your body's level of growth hormones!
^^^very true. And they don't look very clever in shorts. :lipsrsealed:
Many people dont realise that you can't really grow if you don't train legs.
Just like a tree needs strong roots. :wink:
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I can't believe you have put a pic of yourself in your pants on a male dominated car forum.....surprised photoshop hilarity hasn't already commenced.......
Good luck :laugh:
This....
Won't be long before jokes and references start being made :grin:
Oh wait, here they come :laugh:
OI OI POPEYE!!!
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Haha!! Yeah iv set my self up really!! :grin:
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So, chocolate peanut butter Peptide Fusion, splash of milk and some natural Greek yoghurt = awesumz!!!
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Sounds nice!!
Tuna steaks, brown rice with veg home made,285) spinach and asparagus :smiley: all go!
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Your piss is gonna stink! :grin:
I've realised recently (following with MyFitnessPal) that I have a few too many carbs on a regular basis, so I am cutting back on them for a bit. Think omlette with onion, garlic and pepper is on the agenda tonight with some carrots.
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I make omlets like scrambled egg :grin: I needs practice!
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I make omlets like scrambled egg :grin: I needs practice!
ASDA, Free Range eggs, 15 for £3 or 30 for £4. Bargain!
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What are your measurements? Chest, bicep, waist etc. usually a better guide to progress than weight when using weights.
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tried the super pump max last night and was impressed with it ! :smiley:
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Just got back off holiday!
Month off they gym and bad food'
Monday I shall be hitting the gym hard, 12 week training plan, 12 week strict diet, 12 week suplement plan, 12 weeks of being skint!!
14 weeks till Ibiza :laugh:
Really looking forward to it!
I'll be following - http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer.html
Off shopping now :evil:
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I make omlets like scrambled egg :grin: I needs practice!
ASDA, Free Range eggs, 15 for £3 or 30 for £4. Bargain!
Not bad price used with bottles of Liquid Egg Whites you can get 6 bottles of 32 egg whites for around £22-29 not a bad price for 192 egg whites, saves a fortune on eggs !
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That will save f**king around with getting yolks out then. :evil:
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Don't matter how many eggs you have. Some people will never get where they want to be.
Genetics, dedication, etc isn't good enough to see it through.
When you train and you don't see results fast enough, it's easier to just give up.
It's about the time when gyms start filling up with summer body dreamers. Only the dedicated stay for the winter and beyond.
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Dedication is key :)
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Dedication is key :)
Very closey followed by your diet :laugh:
£150 in sainsburys getting everything in shape for Monday! Butchers on Saterday and sups
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Don't matter how many eggs you have. Some people will never get where they want to be.
Genetics, dedication, etc isn't good enough to see it through.
When you train and you don't see results fast enough, it's easier to just give up.
It's about the time when gyms start filling up with summer body dreamers. Only the dedicated stay for the winter and beyond.
I usually find January & Feb the worst as the gym gets full off people who over ate at Xmas :grin:
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Don't matter how many eggs you have. Some people will never get where they want to be.
Genetics, dedication, etc isn't good enough to see it through.
When you train and you don't see results fast enough, it's easier to just give up.
It's about the time when gyms start filling up with summer body dreamers. Only the dedicated stay for the winter and beyond.
I usually find January & Feb the worst as the gym gets full off people who over ate at Xmas :grin:
This!! Sunday mornings used to be quiet, now their full of fat people feeling bad for themselves
Albeit they do more than the girls who come in plastered in makef**kingup :huh: