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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: allsmiles on 12 July 2012, 18:44
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hi folks, just wanted to know your opinions on whether the mk3 golf vr6 is a hot hatch or not?
me personally thinks it isnt
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you joking?
in the 90's what other hatch had a 2.8 v6 engine?
in today standards its not I guess, but it most certainly was!
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i just think that the golf vr6 was made to compete with bmws
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i just think that the golf vr6 was made to compete with bmws
what's wrong with that?
that's what car manufactures do :huh:
competing with BMW is good right?
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i just think that the golf vr6 was made to compete with bmws
I would definitely say its a hot hatch even now, I don't think it was meant to compete with them as such, If anything I'd have said the Vento VR6 would have done that being a saloon.
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someone has fallen of their trolley lol :grin: :grin:
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More of an executive hot hatch if you ask me.
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i still class class the mk3 gti as a hot hatch and the vr6 is a red hot hatch. i dont look at todays cars and think of them as hot hatches. they all look the bloody same today. yeah they may be very fast but they all lack character.
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i still class class the mk3 16v gti as a hot hatch and the vr6 is a red hot hatch. i dont look at todays cars and think of them as hot hatches. they all look the bloody same today. yeah they may be very fast but they all lack character.
+1 to this, but i have made a little stange ;)
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What else have you been driving? I'd say the 16v is a hot hatch aswell, they both still keep up with a lot of new stuff
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i still class class the mk3 gti as a hot hatch and the vr6 is a red hot hatch. i dont look at todays cars and think of them as hot hatches. they all look the bloody same today. yeah they may be very fast but they all lack character.
many thanx as this is what i was trying to say lol!!!!! ie red hot hatch
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i still class class the mk3 gti as a hot hatch and the vr6 is a red hot hatch. i dont look at todays cars and think of them as hot hatches. they all look the bloody same today. yeah they may be very fast but they all lack character.
many thanx as this is what i was trying to say lol!!!!! ie red hot hatch
hi folks, just wanted to know your opinions on whether the mk3 golf vr6 is a hot hatch or not?
me personally thinks it isnt
really? :huh:
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Who cares it sounds like a beaut :cool: :evil:
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It was not marketed as a hot hatch hence why it never had the GTI badge, it was aimed at the executive market and was designed to take sales away from BMW and Mercedes.
As standard it is way too soft and underdamped to be a drivers car.
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+1 to all the previous comments.
the car was designed over 20 years ago.
What gti NOW would you say that would have such a following as a golf in years to come? thats right NOUT!
model argument aside,thats a different one right there!
VR6 was a cruiser.
and what modern car sounds like that?
most new cars have all gone down the same route,spend the same on an old golf,and look who gets all the interest.
I also drive a brand new cooper,with all the toys in very bright colours,yet EVERYONE likes the golf not the mini!
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I didnt answer the question did I !! :rolleyes:
YES it was,and in my view still is!
Look at the 0-60 times then and now of its competitors!
HOT....hell yer!
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Look at the 0-60 times then and now of its competitors!
When Autocar tested one it was only 1 second quicker to 60 than a 16v.
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Exactly ...A whole second to 60! and the 16v wasnt exactly slow!
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Following on from many threads, I have been up to the loft today and found my Autocar road test year books, the figures make interesting reading, the figures that Autocar record are much more accurate than manufactures figures by the way.
Exactly ...A whole second to 60! and the 16v wasnt exactly slow!
Really, I never classed the 16v as being quick.
Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
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I disagree,It was really considering the average 20 years ago!
but back on point ,the vr6 came into its own after you got to 60,class of its own,I remember when they first came out as a teenager,riding around the south coast,not being afraid of anything on the road! :evil: (only passenger tho :rolleyes: :angry:)
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Fuel......that was alot cheaper then! :cool:
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I accidentally put super unleaded in the other day at £1.48 a litre
When I first used super unleaded it was £0.84 and people said I was mad paying that for petrol :laugh:
I said I'm using it now before it gets expensive :grin:
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That would have been early 90s, 93? :undecided:
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Following on from many threads, I have been up to the loft today and found my Autocar road test year books, the figures make interesting reading, the figures that Autocar record are much more accurate than manufactures figures by the way.
Exactly ...A whole second to 60! and the 16v wasnt exactly slow!
Really, I never classed the 16v as being quick.
Model Weight KG, Power, Torque, 0.60, 30 to 70, 30 to 50, 50 to 70, Overall Mpg
Golf GTI 8V 1060 115 127 9.8 9.5 8 10.1 28.4
Golf GTI 16V 1160 150 133 8.1 7.8 8.2 11.1 26.6
Golf VR6 1220 174 173 7.1 6.4 6.6 9.3 25.2
and some people just need to get out more :lipsrsealed:
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oh right ,so in 1992 you were driving?
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VR6 was a cruiser.
And wasnt slow back then.
FACT
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i love driving in my vr6, ive owned the clio sport trophy and the integra type r dc2(gay DM model) and i just love how practical and smooth the vr6 is, in a straight line the vr6 wont be far off those 2, but its far more comfy :smiley:
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VR6 was a cruiser.
And wasnt slow back then.
FACT
Correct...a cruiser...not a hot hatch, in the same vein as other early-mid 90s hot hatches were.
Sure it was quick in a straight line...but it didn't 'do' corners very well...hardly ticking the 'hot hatch' box there, was it?
In my view...not a hot hatch in the true sense.
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VR6 was a cruiser.
And wasnt slow back then.
FACT
Correct...a cruiser...not a hot hatch, in the same vein as other early-mid 90s hot hatches were.
Sure it was quick in a straight line...but it didn't 'do' corners very well...hardly ticking the 'hot hatch' box there, was it?
In my view...not a hot hatch in the true sense.
:evil: :smiley:
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oh,but your wrong,it was MORE than a hot hatch! hot hatch + style+comfy+badge!
And it all depended who was driving! :evil:
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im old so its executive hatch to me :tongue:
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ok,ok! :smug: :undecided:
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On the parkers website it says the 16v is only half a second behind the vr, it varies where you look, people underestimate the mk3 far too much
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Id say the original hot hatches, Golf GTI, pug 205 GTI etc etc will allways be the hot hatches....
Now its just ST's/VXR's driven by arseholes who will still be paying them off in 10yrs time. Cool cars, made seriously uncool. Therefore in my logic, not a hot hatch :tongue: :laugh:
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Id say the original hot hatches, Golf GTI, pug 205 GTI etc etc will allways be the hot hatches....
Now its just ST's/VXR's driven by arseholes who will still be paying them off in 10yrs time. Cool cars, made seriously uncool. Therefore in my logic, not a hot hatch :tongue: :laugh:
Agreed :smiley:
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Clio Williams for me was THE hot hatch, i would have that over ANY other car!
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dont forget the GTE,s and the 309 gti :wink: i had both and they were propper hot hatches. the handling of the mk1 astra GTE and the 309 gti was insane. well it seemed it at the time. there is no way i would push my golf into corners at the speeds i did with them cars. although that maybe as i was younge and stupid then :grin:
but the torsion bar rear suspension on the 309 gti just stuck like sh!t to a blanket
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i just think that the golf vr6 was made to compete with bmws
If they did they failed :grin: .... performance wise
dont forget the GTE,s
I remember racing one of these from a stand still... he was up my chuffer waiting for me to get out of his way :embarassed: :grin:
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My 1st car was a mk1 Astra.Stuck a retop in it in the end and it handled fecking brilliant!
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My first car was a 106 gti. Still one of the best cars I've drove round corners. And that's including a Nissan GTR
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My 1st car was a mk1 Astra.Stuck a retop in it in the end and it handled fecking brilliant!
yeah my mk1 GTE was awesome in corners. i still had mine a few years back stored on my mums garage for over 7 odd years. went to restor it a couple of yours ago but the rot had gone to far. and it had a very rare irmschter quad headlight grill conversion with a lower front skirt.
theres pics of in on here somewhere in one of the threads. was totally gutted when i took the front wings off and it was totally rotten.
the standered recaro seats were lovely aswell.
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Clio Williams for me was THE hot hatch, i would have that over ANY other car!
+1 to this I've had three mk1 clios and woulda loved a Williams
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The mk1 GTi was a proper hot hatch all golfs after that were too fat and my favorite was the pug 309 Gti, superb handling, decent amount of space and a reliable family motor too.
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The mk1 GTi was a proper hot hatch all golfs after that were too fat and my favorite was the pug 309 Gti, superb handling, decent amount of space and a reliable family motor too.
yeah and the rear window feature was wicket with the 2 levers on the centre consale that opened and closed the tilt rear windows.
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the honda civic type r ek9 is supposed to be THE hot hatch and they hold their value so well, for a nice one they still command around 6k and i myself is looking to buy one
the integra type r so an incredible handling machine and the ek9 is supposed to be better
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for some reason i still dont see them as hot hatches. i see them as jab scene.
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the honda civic type r ek9 is supposed to be THE hot hatch and they hold their value so well, for a nice one they still command around 6k and i myself is looking to buy one
Test drove a couple earlier this year, handles great but little torque and nothing much happens below 4k.
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my mate works for tegiwa(japanese car specialist) and he says they are pretty gutless also, but if you have the b18 from the integra in there its meant to be the car it should of been
the b18 is fantastic in the integra and achieves 0-60 in under 7 seconds easily, if i end up buying the civic i would have the k20 engine in there at some point
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my mate works for tegiwa(japanese car specialist) and he says they are pretty gutless also, but if you have the b18 from the integra in there its meant to be the car it should of been
I would not say it is gutless as such but against mine it felt slow, once it was on cam it felt quicker however.
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The mk1 GTi was a proper hot hatch all golfs after that were too fat and my favorite was the pug 309 Gti, superb handling, decent amount of space and a reliable family motor too.
yeah and the rear window feature was wicket with the 2 levers on the centre consale that opened and closed the tilt rear windows.
It was a good looking car too i think, squared off and with a good stance straight out of the box and the 4 bezeled fog/driving lights looked great.
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dont think its a hot hatch really...205gti, clio williams, mk1 gti etc are hot hatches.....mk3 vr6 is a fabulous car but it is a heavy cruiser and ropey in the corners
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As above lovely motors but I wouldnt say its a Hot hatch more a gentlemens Golf bit like the Porsche 928 was in the Porsche range back in the day.
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If anything its the exact opposite of a hot hatch... such a lazy engine never any need to change gear. 15mph in 5th yeah why not ill play along :grin:
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So what would you say a golf vr6 turbo is :laugh:
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So what would you say a golf vr6 turbo is :laugh:
mental... :evil:
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So what would you say a golf vr6 turbo is :laugh:
A lot faster but more BHP dont make a car a Hot hatch.
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So what would you say a golf vr6 turbo is :laugh:
Having been in one and 'shrugging away' an r8 id say they are fast.... er at breaking down :grin:
Yeah more power doesnt mean hot hatch. Great car but its like a V12 Aston. Easily eats up the miles as quick as it does the ££££'s