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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Neo Badness on 15 June 2012, 14:43
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My Father has had last 3 new cars from VAG last two have had major failures, one a turbo 3months out of warranty coming close 1k to replace. The latest has suffered ABS failure 1month out of warranty and will apparently cost 1500 to correct. Dealer in most recent has offered 70% discount on repair. When it was still in warranty the EGR valve packed up despite it living on the motorway. Cars have always be serviced with them.
Begs the question why would you fork out for a new car?
So new doesn't appear to = better
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they dont make them like they used to :smiley:
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Old Dubs Never die
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Over engineering was the last consensus when this debate came up, and I tend to agree. The old cars were over engineered in the sense that they were built like tanks...now its about margins, and that means limitations to the engineering that goes into them.
But don't forget at least we are not American with some of the product recalls that they had in the 50/60s etc.
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Over engineering was the last consensus when this debate came up, and I tend to agree. The old cars were over engineered in the sense that they were built like tanks...now its about margins, and that means limitations to the engineering that goes into them.
But don't forget at least we are not American with some of the product recalls that they had in the 50/60s etc.
Too true, apparently the electronics in a new car make up 30% of the sticker price. :shocked:
And they are built down to a cost which results in crappy parts being used.
Feel bad for my Dad though, he started forking out for new cars as he said he was done messing about with cars :rolleyes:
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Does sound a little unlucky.
Its only a problem because your not expecting to need to fix a new car- with an ond one you expect it!
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Does sound a little unlucky.
Its only a problem because your not expecting to need to fix a new car- with an ond one you expect it!
That my friend is a good point! But there again, the older ones are normally a cheap fix too...the newer ones are all electronic so sillyness with pricing for the components. A piece of metal didnt cost as much to replace.
Definitely unlucky with his, or he drives em hard :laugh:
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Sounds like Friday afternoon motors :grin: but yea there not made like the good old days.
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Yes have you seen the lack of paint on them? :lipsrsealed:
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Not bad on mine an mines newer but they dont use much in hidden spots anymore do they. Only get worse though as now it's bloody water based as well. :lipsrsealed:
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I don't understand why anyone would buy a brand new car. Too many things to go wrong with modern cars and always cost an arm and a leg to repair. Then you have the colossal depreciation on top of that.
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It's only going to get worse with electronics, look at the automatic brake features in cars coming out with front sensors. Then there's multiple camera units and multiple sensors so it parks itself. Soon they will just drive themselves just look at what volvo has been working on and whats on the new A6 audi... Also look at the new systems, such as the turbo / supercharger system in the new engines then the turbo's with the variable geometry. TBH it may just be cheaper to buy a plane or blimp to get to work since public transport sucks :grin:
Then there's variable lift, the flaps on inlets, then there's talk of camless engines, variable compression engines, so the crank would get complex... But chances are we will start seeing more electric motors appearing as well driving rear wheels powered by a diesel or petrol engine, then the possibility of two separate electric engines on the front wheels and so on and on...
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I don't understand why anyone would buy a brand new car. Too many things to go wrong with modern cars and always cost an arm and a leg to repair. Then you have the colossal depreciation on top of that.
Some sucker has to purchase them and loose the money on them for more sensible folk to buy them later on :grin:
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I don't understand why anyone would buy a brand new car. Too many things to go wrong with modern cars and always cost an arm and a leg to repair. Then you have the colossal depreciation on top of that.
Some sucker has to purchase them and loose the money on them for more sensible folk to buy them later on :grin:
I love brand new motors the smell the feeling you get when driving a new car very addictive, don't care about what they cost coz I can afford it :grin:. Never really had any problems with VAG always been spot on.
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yes, as are most new cars.
paint is wafer thin
as is the bodywork
paint is waterbased now too
oh and they dont paint the whole cars anymore .
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to much unoptional extra crap in cars and vans now.
i don't want over fluffyfyed controls, and electric adjustment on things i never adjsut.
went into vw a few months ago to buy a new van, was quite prepared to pay for it then and there and drive it away. but one snag
I like electric windows but hate electric mirrors but new caddy has electric mirrors if you have electric windows. electric mirrors are expensive van's have a habbit of sheding mirrors and it's not like anyone else would ever drive it so why need electric adjustment ???
rant over
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I quite like my "new" car and as something that I use as a daily Ill take the comfort and looks of a "newer" car. (I realise mine is now 7 years old).
Yes things go wrong but that happens on all cars. You old man sounds like he has drawn the short straw on a few occasions.
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we seem to change alot of turbos on newer comon rail engines tbh. same as abs pumps. vws have loads of gay little faults, they just cant build a cheap reliable car can they? since they brought that new vw up out weve not stopped working on them! gear boxes, clutches packing up due to been made crap.. older vws were alot better, i know mk4 golfs have alot of common faults but new ones are even worrst!
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If you are wondering where all the new paint has gone from cars... then you only need to look inside a VW up :lipsrsealed: :laugh:
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I love it in threads like this when the patrolling mechanic pips up and says:
"New cars are rubbish and I have to fix lots of them which proves it".
Here's the flaw in said logic:
1) You're a mechanic. You're job is to fix things. Therefore you are only ever going to see the faulty products. Yes you may see 10 new cars a day, but what percentage is those 10 cars of the total number of new cars sold?
2) You're day at the dealer is filled with fixing new cars primarily because those with older cars either fix their cars themselves or don't want to pay dealer rates when they know a much cheaper independent garage. Therefore you're again exposed only to new cars with faults.
I don't think new cars are any worse than "old" cars would have been when new. Bit of the rose-tinted specs I reckon.
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I've just spent a few days driving a mk7 tdi and it was a mixed bag really, very frugal and very very quiet when cruising with quite positive handling but the interior felt cheap and the seats were very uncomfortable , oh and the parcel shelf felt like it was made from cereal boxes.
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I agree with the paint comment but apart from that mechanically ive not had any issues yet but I have only done 5500 miles so we shall see!
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I've just spent a few days driving a mk7 tdi and it was a mixed bag really, very frugal and very very quiet when cruising with quite positive handling but the interior felt cheap and the seats were very uncomfortable , oh and the parcel shelf felt like it was made from cereal boxes.
Mk7's are not out yet? :undecided:
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His posting from the future, so don't worry about it. This is common practice from the time he is from to mind fack us.
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I've just spent a few days driving a mk7 tdi and it was a mixed bag really, very frugal and very very quiet when cruising with quite positive handling but the interior felt cheap and the seats were very uncomfortable , oh and the parcel shelf felt like it was made from cereal boxes.
Are you for real?
You have a Mk3 I assume...and you suggest the Mk6 (sorry...Mk7) has a cheaper interior and more uncomfortable seats?
Next to a Mk3?
The Mk6 seats are WAY better...especially in the cooking models...S/SE Mk6 seats vs Mk3 CL seats = no comparison.
The Mk6 interior is several leagues ahead.
The parcel shelves seem the same to me...and I have both a Mk3 and a Mk6.
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I've just spent a few days driving a mk7 tdi and it was a mixed bag really, very frugal and very very quiet when cruising with quite positive handling but the interior felt cheap and the seats were very uncomfortable , oh and the parcel shelf felt like it was made from cereal boxes.
They talk funny as well in Devon :grin: interbreeding, even the dogs have got club feet :laugh:
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Mk6 then...yes very real....yes i prefer the seats in the mk3....i'm sure the upmarket mk6 interiors are much better, this one wasn't....and devon has plenty of londoners who constantly go on about how great london is and should really just f**k off back there...and the parcel shelf is no big deal just something i noticed as i spent a lot of time taking stuff in and out so it didn't ruin my holiday or anything and the car was pretty pleasant to drive on the whole just not light years ahead of an old golf...just my opinion.
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the car was pretty pleasant to drive on the whole just not light years ahead of an old golf...just my opinion.
hahaha :grin: driving a mk3 Golf is light years away from driving a new Golf, what mk6 golf model was it ?
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Sorry but it wasn't...and it was TDi.
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So your saying the mk3 is better car than a mk6 reading between lines here?
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Sorry but it wasn't...and it was TDi.
Spec ? or was it a cheapo no frills tdi ? I'm still sure it was better than a mk3 to drive :grin:
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The MK5 / MK6 is light years ahead of the MK3 and MK4. The fact they go round corners in standard form is a testament to that.
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Sorry but it wasn't...and it was TDi.
Spec ? or was it a cheapo no frills tdi ? I'm still sure it was better than a mk3 to drive :grin:
To be fair it was probably 'no frills' spec but it still had a decent radio/air-con etc it just didn't feel as nice to drive as my mk3 and i'm not using rose tinted specs here, i know my car is 17 years old but i did over a thousand miles in the mk6 and it just didn't feel like a quality product in the same way that a mk3 would have done when new and still does feel to me.
I would expect to be shot down in flames if i only ever drove old mk3's but i drive a lot of different cars for one reason or another and they are all much newer than mine and the cars that stand out for quality in my experience are audi and subaru.
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Sorry but it wasn't...and it was TDi.
Spec ? or was it a cheapo no frills tdi ? I'm still sure it was better than a mk3 to drive :grin:
To be fair it was probably 'no frills' spec but it still had a decent radio/air-con etc it just didn't feel as nice to drive as my mk3 and i'm not using rose tinted specs here, i know my car is 17 years old but i did over a thousand miles in the mk6 and it just didn't feel like a quality product in the same way that a mk3 would have done when new and still does feel to me.
I would expect to be shot down in flames if i only ever drove old mk3's but i drive a lot of different cars for one reason or another and they are all much newer than mine and the cars that stand out for quality in my experience are audi and subaru.
:grin: :grin: :grin: those two right there.... that just makes me :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Explain.
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Explain.
Is that a statement or question?
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Explain.
Is that a statement or question?
A statement or i would have put a question mark after it.
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Explain.
On what planet are audis and subapoos great quality.
just take a look inside a subaru and find me one thing thats oozes quality? look under the bonnet of virtually any audi and find a vw engine.. so where does the quality come from? the switches and button they have been using in all cars for the last 10years??
audis offer virtually nothing over the equivalent vw's.. apart from a premuim price and the knowledge that there are idiots out there that are willing to pay for this.
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My brother in law had the last of the salon shape Scooby wagons and the interior was eye watering awful.
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It's just an opinion.
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Why was you in a MK6, why did`nt you use your MK3 ? :undecided:
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Why was you in a MK6, why did`nt you use your MK3 ? :undecided:
Flew from Bristol to Shannon and rented, it's too much of a ballache to drive from south devon to co kerry in Ireland.
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Well that was an amusing read.
I paint cars and beggars belief what passes for a paint job these days.
Still in negotiations with dealer re repairs. Dealer came away with an amazing bit of Bullshyt, "ABS is an optional extra".
WTF!?!
Since when did ABS become an option, especially on a VRS TDi?
Honestly I really don't see why they don't just do the repair as goodwill seeing as my Dad has spent in about 60k with them in the last 5 years.
But oh no, they're arguing and now he's considering an S60...
Skoda dealers don't "do" customer service it would seem :rolleyes:
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tbh this conversation needs redoing when the mk5's and 6's are 'old'
but then it will be ' they don't make the mk7 and 8 like they did with the mk5' :grin:
Personally I think the mk2 has done a bloody good job of proving itself, being at least 20yrs old and still quite a few on the road. Look at their values! more than mk4's thats for sure. Can you see the newer cars fetching the same money when they are 20 yrs old?
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don't think meany if any of the new cars will make 20 yrs old. unless they are something really spectial
lot of elecronics to go wrong and a lot of them are dealer only parts as well as being bloody expensive.
amount of new ish cars i've sent to scrap as they just wernt worth repairing
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don't think meany if any of the new cars will make 20 yrs old. unless they are something really spectial
lot of elecronics to go wrong and a lot of them are dealer only parts as well as being bloody expensive.
amount of new ish cars i've sent to scrap as they just wernt worth repairing
This is the reason they are made that way...generates more interest in another new one :afro:
Shocking really as they claim to be greener :lipsrsealed:
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Without reading the whole thread, I've had an 09 A3 from new and now I've got a new MK6 GTI. They've both been pretty crap to be honest. So far the GTI's had a new water pump (after 300 miles), gv gaiters greased, wind noise fix, wastegate rattle fix, bonnet/bumper realigned, new clutch, new slave cyl, and probably some other stuff. It's on 4,300 miles now, less than 4 months old. Most of that mileage is to the dealers and back :grin:
A3 has numerous things incl sensors, water pump, heater, horn etc etc can't really remember everything.
Funnily enough I had a Corsa before these and in 2 years it went in for an ABS recall and that's it............. :rolleyes:
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Without reading the whole thread, I've had an 09 A3 from new and now I've got a new MK6 GTI. They've both been pretty crap to be honest. So far the GTI's had a new water pump (after 300 miles), gv gaiters greased, wind noise fix, wastegate rattle fix, bonnet/bumper realigned, new clutch, new slave cyl, and probably some other stuff. It's on 4,300 miles now, less than 4 months old. Most of that mileage is to the dealers and back :grin:
A3 has numerous things incl sensors, water pump, heater, horn etc etc can't really remember everything.
Funnily enough I had a Corsa before these and in 2 years it went in for an ABS recall and that's it............. :rolleyes:
WTF :shocked: :shocked:
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Without reading the whole thread, I've had an 09 A3 from new and now I've got a new MK6 GTI. They've both been pretty crap to be honest. So far the GTI's had a new water pump (after 300 miles), gv gaiters greased, wind noise fix, wastegate rattle fix, bonnet/bumper realigned, new clutch, new slave cyl, and probably some other stuff. It's on 4,300 miles now, less than 4 months old. Most of that mileage is to the dealers and back :grin:
A3 has numerous things incl sensors, water pump, heater, horn etc etc can't really remember everything.
Funnily enough I had a Corsa before these and in 2 years it went in for an ABS recall and that's it............. :rolleyes:
WTF :shocked: :shocked:
Indeed!
The water pump started making a really loud high pitched noise, it took a few attempts to get the dealership to replicate the problem. Eventually they did and replaced the pump. It came back after a few weeks but then disappeared and so far, touch wood, it's not come back again. Seems to be a massive problem on US spec GTI's from looking at different forums.
CV, wind noise, wastegate rattle, poor bonnet/bumper alignment - just down to poor design or workmanship. All seem to be a common problem
The car was mapped and I was getting some epic clutch slip :cry:
Fortunately I managed to convince the dealership that the slave was leaking (just a guess) and it actually was, so they stripped the gearbox and replaced the slave. Also as it had been slipping, the clutch was worn, so they replaced it too, despite the fact they know it's mapped so can't really complain too much.
I've had good service by the dealership but I will certainly consider not going VAG next time
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I think you are lucky they didnt tell you to bugger off as it was remapped, ive had VW refuse to replace a 3 month intercooler hose that split on my mk4 as it was remapped :lipsrsealed:
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Are they the 2.0TFSI engines? If so I have heard loads of bad stories about them, two cupra k1 owners had huge problems, one ended up with a new engine in the end, other one spent 90% at dealers and issues never fully solved.
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I think you are lucky they didnt tell you to bugger off as it was remapped, ive had VW refuse to replace a 3 month intercooler hose that split on my mk4 as it was remapped :lipsrsealed:
I think they've seen the amount of problems I've caused with another dealership for messing me around and they don't want that hassle. :grin:
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Are they the 2.0TFSI engines? If so I have heard loads of bad stories about them, two cupra k1 owners had huge problems, one ended up with a new engine in the end, other one spent 90% at dealers and issues never fully solved.
2.0 TSI, different engines, but still just as bad it seems!
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Maybe why i have no problems then as i have the 2.0 tdi
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Maybe why i have no problems then as i have the 2.0 tdi
I had the 2.0 TDI in my A3 and that was crap too. lol
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Maybe why i have no problems then as i have the 2.0 tdi
I had the 2.0 TDI in my A3 and that was crap too. lol
Maybe it's your driving :grin: i have done over 5000 miles in 3.5 months with no issues so far ( touch wood ) :lipsrsealed:
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How freaky is this my mate has a new R32. Took into the dealer for diagnostics and they were able to determine that he'd been driving it "enthusiastically", Big Brother is watching.
That and you can only use launch control x2 before voiding the warranty! How rubbish is that?
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Maybe why i have no problems then as i have the 2.0 tdi
I had the 2.0 TDI in my A3 and that was crap too. lol
Sounds like someone really doesn't like you lol :tongue:
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How freaky is this my mate has a new R32. Took into the dealer for diagnostics and they were able to determine that he'd been driving it "enthusiastically", Big Brother is watching.
That and you can only use launch control x2 before voiding the warranty! How rubbish is that?
You mean golf R? Thought you could remove codes before you took them dealers. Unless its got Nissan GTR bad, where excessive driving and launch control gets stored in a write only part of the ECU where you can never again clear it, unless you buy a new ECU, and then there's the thumbs up for the one use only bonnet pedestrian safety mechanism which costs a pretty penny to replace once triggered.
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How freaky is this my mate has a new R32. Took into the dealer for diagnostics and they were able to determine that he'd been driving it "enthusiastically", Big Brother is watching.
That and you can only use launch control x2 before voiding the warranty! How rubbish is that?
I don't think that's true. The whole point in buying an R/GTI is to drive it enthusiastically, so if the engine isn't suitable (fit for purpose) then VW need to sort that out. The only way I think they'd be able to tell is if the car logs a code for some reason (underboost, for example) and it shows speed, rpm, throttle %, e.g. mine showed 150km/h, 5600rpm, 80% throttle, so from that they'd be able to see I was giving it some stick. If there are no codes logged like this then the dealer would be none the wiser.
And as for launch control, that's BS. Why would they provide a feature that can only be used twice. :rolleyes:
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I don't think that's true. The whole point in buying an R/GTI is to drive it enthusiastically, so if the engine isn't suitable (fit for purpose) then VW need to sort that out. The only way I think they'd be able to tell is if the car logs a code for some reason (underboost, for example) and it shows speed, rpm, throttle %, e.g. mine showed 150km/h, 5600rpm, 80% throttle, so from that they'd be able to see I was giving it some stick. If there are no codes logged like this then the dealer would be none the wiser.
And as for launch control, that's BS. Why would they provide a feature that can only be used twice. :rolleyes:
I agree as why else would you buy an R but to drive it enthusiastically :shocked:
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Does seem a bit "off" that you can only use launch control x2. If it were me I would use it at every opportunity. "Off to the shops", Brmm Bap bap bap bap bap bap bap bap bap bap naaaaaaaram". :evil:
Although he did tell me he got it sideways @ 100mph, on his private runway :lipsrsealed:
Nice looking car but too much electronics/finance for me
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I had two Toyota Yaris', one for two years and the second for four years. All i had to replace on over the entire time of owning both was two tyres and a wiper blade.
Fair enough I only do 7000 miles a year.
Got a mk2 Leon in 08 only 18 months old...My god that thing rattled like a childs toy. I feared every time it went into the dealer for service/MOT.
ABS pump, leaking radiator, numerous airbag sensors, rusting back plates, warped disc, air con compressor. Now picked up a mk5 GTI, getting a very good feeling about this one though. Mmmm!
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if you do get a good mk5 its worth holding onto... think they ran out of screws & paint when they got to the mk6 :lipsrsealed:
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How freaky is this my mate has a new R32. Took into the dealer for diagnostics and they were able to determine that he'd been driving it "enthusiastically", Big Brother is watching.
That and you can only use launch control x2 before voiding the warranty! How rubbish is that?
You mean golf R? Thought you could remove codes before you took them dealers. Unless its got Nissan GTR bad, where excessive driving and launch control gets stored in a write only part of the ECU where you can never again clear it, unless you buy a new ECU, and then there's the thumbs up for the one use only bonnet pedestrian safety mechanism which costs a pretty penny to replace once triggered.
You also have to replasce the ECU i the GTR whe you crash. There was a thread floating around where a guy had a 10mph crash in his and it cost £35K to sort!
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Buy a Mercedes
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Buy a Mercedes
Even larger piles poop with an even larger price tag.