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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: gizzywizzy on 01 March 2012, 11:07
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An Ed35 came behind me at the lights this morning, I had my window open and could hear the car revving away behind me so as soon as the lights turned to green I hastily pushed off and left the Ed35 for dead!!
The guy caught up to me at the roundabout at the top of the road leading to the open moors, so I immediately floored it and was off before he'd even engaged gear. He kept close but he never got past me in my 09 plate 210bhp GTI.
I was well chuffed and happy enough with the performance of my GTI. :grin:
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Must have been his inferior DSG hunting for gears!
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That's not a race, that was you blocking his route. Ha ha.
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He'd probably got more sense than to try and overtake if the speeds were quite high.
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An Ed35 came behind me at the lights this morning, I had my window open and could hear the car revving away behind me so as soon as the lights turned to green I hastily pushed off and left the Ed35 for dead!!
The guy caught up to me at the roundabout at the top of the road leading to the open moors, so I immediately floored it and was off before he'd even engaged gear. He kept close but he never got past me in my 09 plate 210bhp GTI.
I was well chuffed and happy enough with the performance of my GTI. :grin:
He evidently was winding you up and not playing...
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Wish an edition 35 would try and do that to me, quick wave and that would be last he saw of me,
Its very possible a standard gti could leave an edition 35 for dead....
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An Ed35 came behind me at the lights this morning, I had my window open and could hear the car revving away behind me so as soon as the lights turned to green I hastily pushed off and left the Ed35 for dead!!
The guy caught up to me at the roundabout at the top of the road leading to the open moors, so I immediately floored it and was off before he'd even engaged gear. He kept close but he never got past me in my 09 plate 210bhp GTI.
I was well chuffed and happy enough with the performance of my GTI. :grin:
He evidently was winding you up and not playing...
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more interestingly.... who is going to be the first to remap their ed35 :evil:
pretty sure the gti would stuggle to see which way the 35 went :lipsrsealed:
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Sounds like you ran off from the growling Ed35 like a scared little rabbit to me!
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more interestingly.... who is going to be the first to remap their ed35
Be interesting to see what it makes, any company released a map for it yet?
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No one has officially released when yet as far as I'm aware. But I was speaking to bluefin and they reckon that the ed30 software will be comparable and should take the ed35 to around 300bhp.
They've invite me up to run tests on my ed35 when it arrives :grin:
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Reckon he's holed up somewhere smarting about being beaten by a lowly GTI :wink:
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Sounds a bit like my neighbour who tells me his 1.2 Ibiza goes like sh1t off a shovel. How he laughs at the look on tailgating BMW drivers faces, as he pulls away from them without even changing down.
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Maybe the ed35 was still being run in. Its sounds to me like you were jellous and wanted to try and prove something :grin:
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Love some of the responses on here. :rolleyes:
In standard form, on paper, the Edition 35 has a 25 bhp advantage over a standard Mk6 GTI. Given the weight of these cars, that's not alot. Side by side, you would perhaps see the Edition 35 nose ahead ever so slightly, but it's no where near enough power to pull out and pass a standard GTI. And that's going by the paper figures...
... on a rolling road, the GTI Mk6 puts out around 220bhp in standard trim. (If you don't agree with this have a search for folks that have tested them - Superchips recorded something like 230hp+ out of theirs IIRC. I've also tested my own and standard it achieved 221.7 bhp). As of yet I'm not aware of the Edition 35 outperforming VW's quoted figures, but given VW's lack of effort in the Edition 35, I'd be surprised if anything more than the quoted 235bhp was found. That narrows the gap between the cars to a mere 15bhp. Add into the mix the quicker spooling of the standard GTI's turbo and it's no surprise that the GTI in standard guise was able to match the "more powerful" Edition 35.
As for mapping both cars, well that's a different matter. Again using my own GTI as experience, against the Mk5 Edition 30 (same engine as the Edition 35), the standard Mk6 is pretty close. The horsepower figures may be marginally higher in the Edition car, but until the air flow and cooling of the cars are upgraded, the smaller turbo in the GTI does a fine job of matching the bigger turbo in the special edition cars.
On the road the two cars, with Stage 1 software, are pretty similar.
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All the 35 owners crawling out of the woodwork to bash him :sigh:
Your cars are "NOT" fast 235bhp in hothatch terms is slow!
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sure you didn't race a bluemotion?
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sure you didn't race a bluemotion?
Read the post by Penguin, then it may make sense to all you non believers. The Ed35 is NOT much faster than a standard GTI which has been proven today :smug:
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Your cars are "NOT" fast 235bhp in hothatch terms is slow!
I wouldn't go quite that far :grin:
I'm not trying to bring the Edition 35 "down", or bring the standard GTI "up". More just point out that there isn't quite the difference that people seem to think there is.
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Sounds a bit like my neighbour who tells me his 1.2 Ibiza goes like sh1t off a shovel. How he laughs at the look on tailgating BMW drivers faces, as he pulls away from them without even changing down.
Is that the vicar ? :undecided:
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Girl racers :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
Seems to be loads of ed35s ordered recently.
I've not met one yet, sure the bluefin would make the difference if I did.
Watch those points Gizzy :lipsrsealed:
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sure you didn't race a bluemotion?
Read the post by Penguin, then it may make sense to all you non believers. The Ed35 is NOT much faster than a standard GTI which has been proven today :smug:
I think that goes without saying their is only 0.3 to 60 differance, what makes me laugh is you thinking you wiped thefloor with it, unless you are remaped.
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Sounds a bit like my neighbour who tells me his 1.2 Ibiza goes like sh1t off a shovel. How he laughs at the look on tailgating BMW drivers faces, as he pulls away from them without even changing down.
Is that the vicar ? :undecided:
No, they moved to Knighton couple of weeks ago. There's no one there at the moment, so our kids are having a wail of a time climbing their trees. The Ibiza tamer lives a bit further up on the other side.
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sure you didn't race a bluemotion?
Read the post by Penguin, then it may make sense to all you non believers. The Ed35 is NOT much faster than a standard GTI which has been proven today :smug:
I think that goes without saying their is only 0.3 to 60 differance, what makes me laugh is you thinking you wiped thefloor with it, unless you are remaped.
Yeah actually funny isn't it but yes I left it behind, no my car is not mapped. It's possible it was a brand new car being run in who knows or cares! I know that my GTI beat an Ed35 end of. Tomorrow is another day and no doubt I shall be well beaten sooner or later, but don't be so bitter not to let me have my 5 mins of glory. Thank you.
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Girl racers :kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
Seems to be loads of ed35s ordered recently.
I've not met one yet, sure the bluefin would make the difference if I did.
Watch those points Gizzy :lipsrsealed:
Thanks love, I shall be careful, certainly don't want anymore points! I don't usually do much racing but today it seemed rude not to, the Ed35 was goading me :evil:
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A std GTI will make 210 on rollers give or take 2-3%. A ed35 will make 235 give or take the same. Its as simple as that.
I did race a remapped ed30 against a revo'd mk6 GTI. It was a close call but pulled from me in every gear. Over a 1/4 I would say a couple of car lengths at most although he did have a slight jump.
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If I was the bloke in the 35, I think I may have been tempted to taken the oppertunity to give chase to a GTI in front of me that was pressing on, but I would have kept my distance for the sake of stone chips. It's really not worth trying to prove a point.
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If an ed35 is only 25bhp more than gti then that advantage could easily be destroyed by spec sheets.
Add a sunroof, the body kit must weigh a bit, the stupid optional wheels, all the cameras and parking sensors, leather, 5 doors, winter pack etc etc and a 25bhp advantage would be gone compared to a standard gti on 17s
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If an ed35 is only 25bhp more than gti then that advantage could easily be destroyed by spec sheets.
Add a sunroof, the body kit must weigh a bit, the stupid optional wheels, all the cameras and parking sensors, leather, 5 doors, winter pack etc etc and a 25bhp advantage would be gone compared to a standard gti on 17s
Not forgetting. Turbo that spins up slower than the standard GTI and you've got IMO an even race.
I would love to come across a mapped ED35 against my mapped GTI, whilst the ED35 will have monster power will it be able to put it down to rip me a new one?
I'll be goi g to Inters in the summer so you never know I might find out :laugh:
Jim
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This doesn't surprise me as the performance figures are very close. I used to own both the ED30 and MK6 at the same time both with DSG and the ED30 was sligthly faster of the two. It didn't make any difference who was driving which with me and Mrs it always ended up with the ED30 in front on a dual carriageway but there really wasn't much in it.
To give you another comparison when comparing to two against another benchmark the R32 my mate has a one with DSG the MK6 is identical on the road but the ED30 a little faster than that too. As the ED35 is heavier than the ED30 I don't see there being any difference in the performance between the two. I also had a few blasts against S3's in my ED30 and they were identical on the road.
Another factor will be mileage as the GTI doesn't free up fully until approx 10k and at this point it may be producing more power than when it left the factory hence the higher RR figures. I have also seen RR graphs showing the GTI with 220 ish and the ED30 240 ish but unless they are back to back on the same rollers its not really a proper comparison.
I do know that the way the GTI's and ED's produce thier power the ED's feel quicker to drive more than how they perform on the road.
So I get my ED35 tomorrow and I will have a big smile on my face but know that until its done 10k it wont be any quicker in real terms than my MK6, but we will see when I come across a MK6 or an R32 or an S3 and I will be able to let you know if its slower :wink:
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35 or 30 vs S3 or Golf R, only 1 winner everytime
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Have still to come across an R or Ed 35 in my travels! Can't wait till the opportunity pops up :evil:
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I've Owned mk6 stage 2, it'll burn any ed 35 remap'd or not, however you've no chance vs an R unless it's standard, however even with a remap nevermind stage 2 you'll be burnt
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35 or 30 vs S3 or Golf R, only 1 winner everytime
Hmm you raise an interesting point as I have driven the R on an extended test drive over two days. This was a manual and I had the ED30 and the MK6 at the time and it definitely felt quicker through the gears but it may have been down to my rubbish gear changes but comparing speedo readings on various local trips I did it was never more than 2-3 mph up on the ED30 so I will look forward to meeting an R and I will then see if it really is any faster as it is more likely to be the same difference between the GTI and ED30/5 e.g. not a lot :wink:
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What does a remap get the R to? 310bhp? Think it would be close! Stage 2 R would destroy a Gti Stage 2!
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What does a remap get the R to? 310bhp? Think it would be close! Stage 2 R would destroy a Gti Stage 2!
As the ED's, R, Cupra R and S3 share the same engine they will all map to the same power so anywhere from 290-310 is about right depending upon who's map it is.
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This is my findings on a straight road with rolling start , gti is only a touch slower than a ed35, and its close between a ed35 and a R, the Scircco R is the fastest. NOTE ROLLING START obviously from a stand still R wins. You can easily give a R driver a fright in a standard gti or in fact a even slower car on the streets it, it just depends who is the most stupid
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A std GTI will make 210 on rollers give or take 2-3%. A ed35 will make 235 give or take the same. Its as simple as that.
I did race a remapped ed30 against a revo'd mk6 GTI. It was a close call but pulled from me in every gear. Over a 1/4 I would say a couple of car lengths at most although he did have a slight jump.
Sorry but don't agree. There's plenty of evidence online to show MK6 GTI's put out 220bhp+.
As for against the mapped Edition 30, don't agree either. I've raced plenty and they are level pegging. You had plenty of issues with your map, and my friend running REVO had issues whereby his car wasn't running what REVO told him it was running.
Over a 1/4 mile a couple of car lengths translates to a huge difference between cars. I think you may be exaggerating.
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A std GTI will make 210 on rollers give or take 2-3%. A ed35 will make 235 give or take the same. Its as simple as that.
I did race a remapped ed30 against a revo'd mk6 GTI. It was a close call but pulled from me in every gear. Over a 1/4 I would say a couple of car lengths at most although he did have a slight jump.
Sorry but don't agree. There's plenty of evidence online to show MK6 GTI's put out 220bhp+.
As for against the mapped Edition 30, don't agree either. I've raced plenty and they are level pegging. You had plenty of issues with your map, and my friend running REVO had issues whereby his car wasn't running what REVO told him it was running.
Over a 1/4 mile a couple of car lengths translates to a huge difference between cars. I think you may be exaggerating.
there was LOTS of this going on over on the mk5 board a few years back. Many claiming their cars made bigger figures. In the end it was settled on a properly set up DD rollers. The result??? All stock cars made almost exactly the manufacturers claimed bhp.
There are so many variables on a RR... the only way of deciding is to try before and after a map to check the difference. It really is that simple.
My car was putting out 209 bhp before revo, and 264 after. Same rollers, same variables. the ed30 was pulling on me although like I said he had a very slight jump. A mapped ED30 will make a respectful 270bhp. So like I said not much in it.
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A std GTI will make 210 on rollers give or take 2-3%. A ed35 will make 235 give or take the same. Its as simple as that.
I did race a remapped ed30 against a revo'd mk6 GTI. It was a close call but pulled from me in every gear. Over a 1/4 I would say a couple of car lengths at most although he did have a slight jump.
Sorry but don't agree. There's plenty of evidence online to show MK6 GTI's put out 220bhp+.
As for against the mapped Edition 30, don't agree either. I've raced plenty and they are level pegging. You had plenty of issues with your map, and my friend running REVO had issues whereby his car wasn't running what REVO told him it was running.
Over a 1/4 mile a couple of car lengths translates to a huge difference between cars. I think you may be exaggerating.
there was LOTS of this going on over on the mk5 board a few years back. Many claiming their cars made bigger figures. In the end it was settled on a properly set up DD rollers. The result??? All stock cars made almost exactly the manufacturers claimed bhp.
There are so many variables on a RR... the only way of deciding is to try before and after a map to check the difference. It really is that simple.
My car was putting out 209 bhp before revo, and 264 after. Same rollers, same variables. the ed30 was pulling on me although like I said he had a very slight jump. A mapped ED30 will make a respectful 270bhp. So like I said not much in it.
So a difference of 5 horsepower is sufficient - in cars of equal weight, transmission and drievtrain losses - to result in one car noticeably pulling ahead of the other?
Technically you'd be correct, but in reality there is going to be no difference. You would notice a bigger difference simply by using better fuel.
Admittedly though, dyno figures can be a bit of a lottery (although I find it interesting that so many independent testers have yielded around the 220bhp mark for the MK6 GTI's).
Even still, the 25 horsepower advantage the Edition 35 holds out of the box is hardly enough extra grunt to pull out and pass an accelerating Mk6 GTI. Side by side the Edition 35 will nose ahead, but if you expect any more then you're going to be disappointed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCfUFP4cgyw watch that. There are a few factors such as DSG (equipped in the GTI), AWD transmission loss, and the US Spec of the R (which is rated at 255 PS rather than 265 PS), but even still the 45 horsepower advantage of the R is hardly enough to pull drastically away from the GTI.
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Anyone notice the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times at GTI International last year of standard Mk6 GTIs vs mapped Mk6 GTIs vs Ed35?
Nothing in it.
The driver has more sway...or maybe DSG. Out on the road, local conditions or driver skill will be the decider I suspect.
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This is where I am talking from experience, As Ide say ive owned one of the fastest MKVI GTI's on the forum along with soon to be prolly the fastest R.
Ive had a MK6 GTI running stage 2 with intake bigger injectors straight through 3" exhaust with a decat intercooler etc...
My MK6 R admittedly with an Intake aswell as a remap is quicker,
However my MKVI GTI was a manual and the R a DSG, But the GTI wouldn't have gotten close. The GTI just wheel spins all the time and the gear changes no matter how fast I was are just never as quick as in the R.
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+ You 35 boys, Get your mods and ill see you at either York Raceway or the Pod at one of the shows here. And you can change my opinion. But a 12.6 at 110 your going to have to spend bare coin just to even get close to my time with a remap. nevermind stage 2
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We're not talking modded vs standard.
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We're not talking modded vs standard.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_edition_35.html (35)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_r.html (R)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_mk_vi.html (GTI)
Shows exactly what your saying the GTI is actually faster to 40kph then the 35
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+ You 35 boys, Get your mods and ill see you at either York Raceway or the Pod at one of the shows here. And you can change my opinion. But a 12.6 at 110 your going to have to spend bare coin just to even get close to my time with a remap. nevermind stage 2
Or just buy a Scirocco R and whip his overweight 4WD all day long! :rolleyes:
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+ You 35 boys, Get your mods and ill see you at either York Raceway or the Pod at one of the shows here. And you can change my opinion. But a 12.6 at 110 your going to have to spend bare coin just to even get close to my time with a remap. nevermind stage 2
Or just buy a Scirocco R and whip his overweight 4WD all day long! :rolleyes:
Eh? The Rocco R is 7 seconds slower round the Ring than the Golf R.
Jim
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It's a wind up, pointing out the Golf Arse is very heavy with its 4WD :tongue:
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It's a wind up, pointing out the Golf Arse is very heavy with its 4WD :tongue:
Tis heavy and round some racetracks the frontwheel drive cars will prolly perform abit better.
However that being said. On British roads and british weather the 4wd will win everytime.
But seriously though take alook at that site I posted. Has some good information.
Has laptimes for some of Europes best circuits posted aswell as power informations etc..
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Jesus!!!!
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Jesus!!!!
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Jesus!!!!
Amen
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1/4 miles - the mk6 GTi & Ed35 slower than the mk5R32 :lipsrsealed: :evil:
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We're not talking modded vs standard.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_edition_35.html (35)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_r.html (R)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_mk_vi.html (GTI)
Shows exactly what your saying the GTI is actually faster to 40kph then the 35
Usefull site but i think to be used as a guide and not as gospel as info is taken from various sources and their are too many variables, Im a bit suspect of a standard gti doing 0-60 in 5.8.
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This has got out of hand somewhat, I just posted what happened to me on one day. On another day it may have been different but it was never meant to be a GTI versus Ed35 versus R who's car is the fastest thread.
Personally I couldn't give a sh!t whether the Ed35 has a couple more horses than mine or whatever, it was fun to have a bit of a race and even better that I won, no hard feelings between us as we gave each other a flash and wave as we parted. It was a laugh,not to be taken seriously so get over yourselves and just enjoy driving your Golfs whatever edition you have.
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^^^^ typical woman starts arguments and fights and then walks off leaving the men to make fools of themselves :grin:
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Personally I couldn't give a sh!t whether the Ed35 has a couple more horses than mine or whatever, it was fun to have a bit of a race and even better that I won, no hard feelings between us as we gave each other a flash and wave as we parted.
It does make me smile when this happens, but what I think may have sparked off the debate is you saying that "you won"
Won what? Because neither of you were at 10-10ths and he had more sence than to try and overtake you?
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Personally I couldn't give a sh!t whether the Ed35 has a couple more horses than mine or whatever, it was fun to have a bit of a race and even better that I won, no hard feelings between us as we gave each other a flash and wave as we parted.
It does make me smile when this happens, but what I think may have sparked off the debate is you saying that "you won"
Won what? Because neither of you were at 10-10ths and he had more sence than to try and overtake you?
Well said!
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We're not talking modded vs standard.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_edition_35.html (35)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_r.html (R)
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/vw_golf_gti_mk_vi.html (GTI)
Shows exactly what your saying the GTI is actually faster to 40kph then the 35
Usefull site but i think to be used as a guide and not as gospel as info is taken from various sources and their are too many variables, Im a bit suspect of a standard gti doing 0-60 in 5.8.
I think it's a great website but that 0-60 MPH time is clearly wrong.
Jim
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Personally I couldn't give a sh!t whether the Ed35 has a couple more horses than mine or whatever, it was fun to have a bit of a race and even better that I won, no hard feelings between us as we gave each other a flash and wave as we parted.
It does make me smile when this happens, but what I think may have sparked off the debate is you saying that "you won"
Won what? Because neither of you were at 10-10ths and he had more sence than to try and overtake you?
As I previously said it was a laugh, a little bit of a race between 2 GTIs it meant nothing in reality, whether the guy had the sense not to overtake I don't know nor do I care. I reached the junction leading to my destination before him so I could say I won. Does it really matter that much to any of you or are you so insecure with your cars that you get upset about the word WON!! Does I beat him suit you all better?
Actually there are so many new members on this forum now who get offended so easily that it is a total bore.
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I reached the junction leading to my destination before him so I could say I won. Does it really matter that much to any of you or are you so insecure with your cars that you get upset about the word WON!! Does I beat him suit you all better?
Again, you didn't really beat him, as from what I can gather, it was not even a race. Just two people driving their cars quickly. You were in front, he didn't overtake, how does that prove anything?
To be perfectly honest, your original post came across in the same way that my neighbour does when telling me about his 1.2 Ibiza, that I mentioned earlier in the thread.
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Whatever.
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Let's all be friends :kiss:
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Whatever.
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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Fuzzywuzzy getting on the psychological high ground again?
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Does it still count as a win even if the other person didnt know you were racing?? :undecided:
Perhaps he was just trying to get your attention to let you know you have one less badge on the back of your car :laugh:
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Must admit if I have someone in front doing this I may play with them but not race. I may also laff at there antics.
If this is classed as a win then I've lost to loads of people over the years and lost to many with the mk6 fiat vans, corsas astras and many tdis andan others.
If as.others have said theses so little.difference in it beteen a 35 and GTI ill have a GTI for its.much less.turbo lag beters low down pickup and far superior miles per gallon and cheaper servicing costs.
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it up to 60 mph but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k. I think the real difference is on a rolling start say from 30mph- 100 mph, the ed35 is right up their with R on a rolling start staight and thats were the Gti would be left in the shade, you could say how often would you do that but how often do you do 0-60 and so on.
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k.
Turbo lag on the ED35 is a fact, however I'm not saying that the GTI is better, if I were buying now I'd get an ED35 but to deny the Turbo Lag on the ED35 is wrong...
Jim
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k.
Turbo lag on the ED35 is a fact, however I'm not saying that the GTI is better, if I were buying now I'd get an ED35 but to deny the Turbo Lag on the ED35 is wrong...
Jim
Have you driven one? if so did you pull off in 3rd or somthing :smiley:
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I think the real difference is on a rolling start say from 30mph- 100 mph, the ed35 is right up their with R on a rolling start staight and thats were the Gti would be left in the shade, you could say how often would you do that but how often do you do 0-60 and so on.
I think you pulled that out of nowhere, I couldn't catch an R side by side with a remap'd gti, no idea how how a standard ed30 would be close,
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Don't be so surprised, R has extra weight and the haldex, there was nothing in it between my Ed30 and a S3, both standard.
Just to add i know i said that fastest laps site should be used as a guide and not gospel check the 0-200kph R 22.7 ed35 23.1 and thats with 4wd advantage pull off. Gti is 26.4. but like i said a rough guide.
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Don't be so surprised, R has extra weight and the haldex, there was nothing in it between my Ed30 and a S3, both standard.
Just to add i know i said that fastest laps site should be used as a guide and not gospel check the 0-200kph R 22.7 ed35 23.1 and thats with 4wd advantage pull off. Gti is 26.4. but like i said a rough guide.
LOL, you saying that 20BHP makes the the ED35 as fast as the R?
In that case my 265 mapped GTI is as faster than an R and then some*
*Which it ain't...
Jim
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^^^ I would say its tight on a rolling start going off my ed30 v S3 experence and i would sugest your gti wasn't 265 if it wasn't a bit quicker on a rolling start straight.
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^^^ I would say its tight on a rolling start going off my ed30 v S3 experence and i would sugest your gti wasn't 265 if it wasn't a bit quicker on a rolling start straight.
My car was on the rollers at 235BHP on a previous map and I could hardly tell the difference to the standard GTI so how you think the ED35 is as quick as an R is completely beyond me....
Jim
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Don't be so surprised, R has extra weight and the haldex, there was nothing in it between my Ed30 and a S3, both standard.
Just to add i know i said that fastest laps site should be used as a guide and not gospel check the 0-200kph R 22.7 ed35 23.1 and thats with 4wd advantage pull off. Gti is 26.4. but like i said a rough guide.
LOL, you saying that 20BHP makes the the ED35 as fast as the R?
In that case my 265 mapped GTI is as faster than an R and then some*
*Which it ain't...
Jim
Carl1 is right my experience of my ED30 and S3 (both std) is the same as I have posted before in this thread. From 40 mph upwards on a dual carriage way there was no difference between the two. Plus my own experience of the R (manual) only puts this 2-3 mph up on my regular drives compared to the ED30 (DSG). I am not trying to say the ED30/35 is as good as an S3 or R these are only a little bit faster and is also backed up by the figures above only 0.4 secs difference to 200KPH.
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just because you say they have the same bhp that don't mean they will be exactly the same performance. Did it not occur to you when your 265 bhp gti could not edge past a 267 bhp R what is well over 100kg heavier on a rolling straight that your car might not be 265 bhp lol
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Yes Edi35 totally agree im just trying to point out where the ed35 performance advantage is greater than the Gti and could surprise a R not beat it.
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k.
Turbo lag on the ED35 is a fact, however I'm not saying that the GTI is better, if I were buying now I'd get an ED35 but to deny the Turbo Lag on the ED35 is wrong...
Jim
Have you driven one? if so did you pull off in 3rd or somthing :smiley:
Have i driven an edition 35? No.
Have i driven most versions of that engine quite a few time or on a regular basis? Yes.
I have driven a Scirocco R, Leon Cupra, Cupra R, and S3.
I can find the EA888 turbo laggy at times when at real low revs, But by the laws of physics the GTI EA888 will be better than the K04 in the edition35 as the IHI is smaller than even the K03 so spools far quicker than either of those. (Does feel less laggy than the mk5 GTI). Unlike a mate of mine i did not buy an S3 and one of the reasons was the turbo lag i encounted when using his for 2 weeks on my daily commute.
Maybe my GTI;s EA888 is faulty or its map is different as mine only picks up its skirt once past 4K and does not tail off until the red line.
It does not feel fast as its so linear. The TDI i use at the moment feels faster due to turbo lag and power delivery.
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A friend of mine borrowed my revod gti and said he was pulling slowly away from a s3 from rollling start. This was repeated a number of times.
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k.
Turbo lag on the ED35 is a fact, however I'm not saying that the GTI is better, if I were buying now I'd get an ED35 but to deny the Turbo Lag on the ED35 is wrong...
Jim
Have you driven one? if so did you pull off in 3rd or somthing :smiley:
Have i driven an edition 35? No.
Have i driven most versions of that engine quite a few time or on a regular basis? Yes.
I have driven a Scirocco R, Leon Cupra, Cupra R, and S3.
I can find the EA888 turbo laggy at times when at real low revs, But by the laws of physics the GTI EA888 will be better than the K04 in the edition35 as the IHI is smaller than even the K03 so spools far quicker than either of those. (Does feel less laggy than the mk5 GTI). Unlike a mate of mine i did not buy an S3 and one of the reasons was the turbo lag i encounted when using his for 2 weeks on my daily commute.
Maybe my GTI;s EA888 is faulty or its map is different as mine only picks up its skirt once past 4K and does not tail off until the red line.
It does not feel fast as its so linear. The TDI i use at the moment feels faster due to turbo lag and power delivery.
Totally agree about S3 being laggy, i nearly swopped my Ed30 for one and that was one of the reasons why i never, yes the Ea88 does pull all the way to the redline far better than the mk5 but it does feel breathless after driving a ed35 above 4500.
Of course the gti's turbo kicks in a bit earlier but to say the ed35 is laggy and even the Ea888 you are in the wrong gear mate or just to used to diesels.
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^^^ just to add to that my ed30 was obviously a bit more laggy than thte mk5 gti but knowhere near like the S3, so when i test drove the R i expected the same as the S3 and to my surprise it wasn't to bad at all and my ed35 feels hardly any different to my mates scirocco low down, so who knows maybe somthings changed with the mapping.
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just because you say they have the same bhp that don't mean they will be exactly the same performance. Did it not occur to you when your 265 bhp gti could not edge past a 267 bhp R what is well over 100kg heavier on a rolling straight that your car might not be 265 bhp lol
It's funny that you think I had a 'race' with an R and lost as I hadn't said anything like that in this post.
This thread makes me laugh on how it's deteriorated from a tongue in cheek post to some ED35 owners telling everyone how much better their car are than anyone else's......
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just because you say they have the same bhp that don't mean they will be exactly the same performance. Did it not occur to you when your 265 bhp gti could not edge past a 267 bhp R what is well over 100kg heavier on a rolling straight that your car might not be 265 bhp lol
It's that you think I had a 'race' with an R and lost as I hadn't said anything like that.
This thread makes me laugh on how it's deteriorated from a tongue in cheek post to some ED35 owners telling everyone how much better their car are than anyone else's......
Quite agree turned into a farcical post of my cars better than yours nahnahnahnahnah.
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Nobody mentioned about you having a race with a R, its moved on from your post to a general disscusion about the slight difference in performance, nobodys willy waving dear.
Edit i thought the above post was all from Gizzywizzy so the Nobodys willy waving is to you both and about you saying about your 265 bhp car couldn't beat a R, i was presumed you ment from you had tried it from a rolling start, my fault :smiley: So yes your 265bhp should edge past a R on a rolling start :smiley: and im plastering while reading typing on this topic
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we all love golfs regardless of there form power torque or lag be it tornado red or deep pearl black we all happily drive them and all admire any other gti/r/r32s we see on the road its all love xx lol
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what an enjoyable read this thread... Brings back so many memory's from 4 or 5 years ago lol...
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k.
Turbo lag on the ED35 is a fact, however I'm not saying that the GTI is better, if I were buying now I'd get an ED35 but to deny the Turbo Lag on the ED35 is wrong...
Jim
Have you driven one? if so did you pull off in 3rd or somthing :smiley:
Have i driven an edition 35? No.
Have i driven most versions of that engine quite a few time or on a regular basis? Yes.
I have driven a Scirocco R, Leon Cupra, Cupra R, and S3.
I can find the EA888 turbo laggy at times when at real low revs, But by the laws of physics the GTI EA888 will be better than the K04 in the edition35 as the IHI is smaller than even the K03 so spools far quicker than either of those. (Does feel less laggy than the mk5 GTI). Unlike a mate of mine i did not buy an S3 and one of the reasons was the turbo lag i encounted when using his for 2 weeks on my daily commute.
Maybe my GTI;s EA888 is faulty or its map is different as mine only picks up its skirt once past 4K and does not tail off until the red line.
It does not feel fast as its so linear. The TDI i use at the moment feels faster due to turbo lag and power delivery.
Totally agree about S3 being laggy, i nearly swopped my Ed30 for one and that was one of the reasons why i never, yes the Ea88 does pull all the way to the redline far better than the mk5 but it does feel breathless after driving a ed35 above 4500.
Of course the gti's turbo kicks in a bit earlier but to say the ed35 is laggy and even the Ea888 you are in the wrong gear mate or just to used to diesels.
Yes i probably am but thats why i did not buy an edition 30 or Pirelli when they were new, it's also why i did not buy a civic type R. To me a GTI is on song from tickover thats why the mk1 GTI 1.8 and Mk2 GTI 8V were so popular. Im not anti these type of cars there just not for me. If your into modifying there probably ideal. I would have loved to have an unmolested fully loaded edition 35 sitting next to my limited edition earlier GTIs in the garage if it did not have this delivery that i know would niggle and eat away at me on my daily commute, instead i may just go for another EA888 version.
The way you describe the edition 35 sounds like i remember discussions back in 1986. It sounds like the 35 = 16V and the GTI = 8V from back then which is fine, i was always an 8V man and many others were 16V men, each to there own both have there pros and cons.
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Nobody mentioned about you having a race with a R, its moved on from your post to a general disscusion about the slight difference in performance, nobodys willy waving dear.
Edit i thought the above post was all from Gizzywizzy so the Nobodys willy waving is to you both and about you saying about your 265 bhp car couldn't beat a R, i was presumed you ment from you had tried it from a rolling start, my fault :smiley: So yes your 265bhp should edge past a R on a rolling start :smiley: and im plastering while reading typing on this topic
Sure you mean plastering and not plastered :grin:. No willy waving from me, cos sadly I don't have one to wave :sad: but as someone else has pointed out we ALL love OUR Golfs and enjoy driving them so let's spread the lurve and quit the bickering :kiss:
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^^^^ turbo lag ????? im not b!tching and i know their is hardly anything in it but i drove my mates 210 ps Scirocco yesterday and it did seem quite breathless above 4500rpm compared to mine and i think thats were the ed35 is a lot better and they are the same below it plus mines only going to get better with only 1100 miles on it, his has 14k.
Turbo lag on the ED35 is a fact, however I'm not saying that the GTI is better, if I were buying now I'd get an ED35 but to deny the Turbo Lag on the ED35 is wrong...
Jim
Have you driven one? if so did you pull off in 3rd or somthing :smiley:
Have i driven an edition 35? No.
Have i driven most versions of that engine quite a few time or on a regular basis? Yes.
I have driven a Scirocco R, Leon Cupra, Cupra R, and S3.
I can find the EA888 turbo laggy at times when at real low revs, But by the laws of physics the GTI EA888 will be better than the K04 in the edition35 as the IHI is smaller than even the K03 so spools far quicker than either of those. (Does feel less laggy than the mk5 GTI). Unlike a mate of mine i did not buy an S3 and one of the reasons was the turbo lag i encounted when using his for 2 weeks on my daily commute.
Maybe my GTI;s EA888 is faulty or its map is different as mine only picks up its skirt once past 4K and does not tail off until the red line.
It does not feel fast as its so linear. The TDI i use at the moment feels faster due to turbo lag and power delivery.
Totally agree about S3 being laggy, i nearly swopped my Ed30 for one and that was one of the reasons why i never, yes the Ea88 does pull all the way to the redline far better than the mk5 but it does feel breathless after driving a ed35 above 4500.
Of course the gti's turbo kicks in a bit earlier but to say the ed35 is laggy and even the Ea888 you are in the wrong gear mate or just to used to diesels.
Yes i probably am but thats why i did not buy an edition 30 or Pirelli when they were new, it's also why i did not buy a civic type R. To me a GTI is on song from tickover thats why the mk1 GTI 1.8 and Mk2 GTI 8V were so popular. Im not anti these type of cars there just not for me. If your into modifying there probably ideal. I would have loved to have an unmolested fully loaded edition 35 sitting next to my limited edition earlier GTIs in the garage if it did not have this delivery that i know would niggle and eat away at me on my daily commute, instead i may just go for another EA888 version.
The way you describe the edition 35 sounds like i remember discussions back in 1986. It sounds like the 35 = 16V and the GTI = 8V from back then which is fine, i was always an 8V man and many others were 16V men, each to there own both have there pros and cons.
Thats a fair comparison, id quite happly have a standard gti its just a ed35 came available as i was back in the market for a gti.
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Nobody mentioned about you having a race with a R, its moved on from your post to a general disscusion about the slight difference in performance, nobodys willy waving dear.
Edit i thought the above post was all from Gizzywizzy so the Nobodys willy waving is to you both and about you saying about your 265 bhp car couldn't beat a R, i was presumed you ment from you had tried it from a rolling start, my fault :smiley: So yes your 265bhp should edge past a R on a rolling start :smiley: and im plastering while reading typing on this topic
Sure you mean plastering and not plastered :grin:. No willy waving from me, cos sadly I don't have one to wave :sad: but as someone else has pointed out we ALL love OUR Golfs and enjoy driving them so let's spread the lurve and quit the bickering :kiss:
i could do with getting plastered :smiley: Yep i like em all R's gti's gtd's r32's etc :cool:
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Nobody mentioned about you having a race with a R, its moved on from your post to a general disscusion about the slight difference in performance, nobodys willy waving dear.
Edit i thought the above post was all from Gizzywizzy so the Nobodys willy waving is to you both and about you saying about your 265 bhp car couldn't beat a R, i was presumed you ment from you had tried it from a rolling start, my fault :smiley: So yes your 265bhp should edge past a R on a rolling start :smiley: and im plastering while reading typing on this topic
Sure you mean plastering and not plastered :grin:. No willy waving from me, cos sadly I don't have one to wave :sad: but as someone else has pointed out we ALL love OUR Golfs and enjoy driving them so let's spread the lurve and quit the bickering :kiss:
i could do with getting plastered :smiley: Yep i like em all R's gti's gtd's r32's etc :cool:
Willy waving :grin:
Just like turbo's to be honest.
All well and good saying you have the biggest, but no point if the smaller ones have spooled up and are away before you can get going. :laugh:
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what an enjoyable read this thread... Brings back so many memory's from 4 or 5 years ago lol...
Back then the 30 prolly was quicker then an R32, defo with a remap,
Is the 35 faster then an R? No
The only thing the r32 has over r20 is an exhaust/engine note!
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What do the ed35's remap to?
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what an enjoyable read this thread... Brings back so many memory's from 4 or 5 years ago lol...
Back then the 30 prolly was quicker then an R32, defo with a remap,
Is the 35 faster then an R? No
The only thing the r32 has over r20 is an exhaust/engine note!
:rolleyes: really??? from what I remember my r32 didnt suffer fom turbo lag either
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What do the ed35's remap to?
Same as the ED30 approx 280 to 300.
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Jeez, is this still going?
And I thought it was women who never knew when to just leave it. :grin:
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I had a race once
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Some interesting comments regarding turbo lag and performance comparisons. In my experience there isn't much in it between the various Mk5/6 GTI/Ed30/35/R when out on the road - I do seem to get a lot of Mk5 GTI/Ed30's trying it on :grin:. I think I read somewhere that the 4WD cars also have a longer final drive which would blunt initial/mid range acceleration slightly and also accentuate the slight 'lagginess' compared to the GTI. Anyone know for sure?
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Basically, none of us are driving super cars and the performance differences, minimal bhp an stuff mean not a darn lot on the road. Driver skills the main thing, all comes down to who's got the biggest balls/is the bigger twit surely?
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Basically, none of us are driving super cars and the performance differences, minimal bhp an stuff mean not a darn lot on the road. Driver skills the main thing, all comes down to who's got the biggest balls/is the bigger twit surely?
Aye... I got overtaken by a 1.0 Corsa today... driver was right up my arse and needed to prove a point (perhaps to compensate for the size of his manhood). I imagine he's on www.chavvycorsaforum.co.uk bragging about it now! :grin:
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An ed30 has less lag due to lower power. They have the same engine, near enough.
Either way you adapt your driving to the lag, and change when needed.
Ill take top end power over low rpm boost, but can appreciate people not enjoying it.
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An ed30 has less lag due to lower power. They have the same engine, near enough.
Either way you adapt your driving to the lag, and change when needed.
Ill take top end power over low rpm boost, but can appreciate people not enjoying it.
How can the ED30 have less lag due to lower power, thought this was down to size and design of the turbo impeller?
Yes I would rather have high end power and give away some lower end torque
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Less boost required = lower lag time
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Less boost required = lower lag time
Yes that would appear to be logical, however once the turbo is spining ie the lag has been overcome the turbo will acheive the boost threshold and it will produce the boost it has been designed to produce. The pressure will be controlled by the diverter or blow off valve so I dont see how setting the boost at for example .5 bar or 1 bar will make any difference to the lag. Assuming the turbos in the ED35 and S3 are the same they will acheive the boost threshold at the same time and be producing the same boost at the same rate until the pressure is released depending upon what that is set to. I can see there may be a very small time difference between when the boost pressures might be released ie the lower set pressure valve will open sooner but this wont have anything to do with lag only the final level of boost being produced.
I am no expert so happy to be shot down but I would not expect there to be any difference in 'lag' between ED35, S3 or R. There might be a perceived lack of acceleration as the engine has to overcome the extra weight of the 4WD cars but that's it. Anyone better qualified to answer this, as I said I am no expert? :undecided:
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From Whatcar:
"What’s it like to drive? The increase in power and torque figures leads to an inevitable decrease in its 0-62mph time. The 35 does the dash in 6.6 seconds, shaving three tenths off the standard GTI’s time. Top speed has also been increased from 149mph to 154mph.
No surprise, then, that the 35 feels blisteringly quick when you really rev it. It’s a slightly different story when you’re not, though.
You see, the real beauty of the standard GTI’s engine is its effortless flexibility – punch the throttle from just about anywhere on the rev range, and it instantly obeys with strong acceleration. The 35, however, delivers its maximum figures slightly further round the dial, so in actual fact, it feels slightly more reluctant to get going from low revs. Don’t get us wrong, it’s not as if the 35 feels lazy, it just doesn’t quite have the on-demand razzamatazz that the standard car does. You’ll find yourself having to make more downshifts to maximise the car’s potentially brutal performance."
Horses for courses...
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Perfectly explained Sean.
That's exactly why I prefer the GTI over the ED35 and R. Even more so with the stage 1 remap.
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You see, the real beauty of the standard GTI’s engine is its effortless flexibility – punch the throttle from just about anywhere on the rev range, and it instantly obeys with strong acceleration. The 35, however, delivers its maximum figures slightly further round the dial, so in actual fact, it feels slightly more reluctant to get going from low revs. Don’t get us wrong, it’s not as if the 35 feels lazy, it just doesn’t quite have the on-demand razzamatazz that the standard car does.
Exactly , ive got a 35 and i love it .
It is slightly dumpy lower down (like me) but im happy with that cos when i stomp it it takes off and off and offfff.
First time i drove my sisters mk5 gti i was shocked at the immediate response from the pedal and at the time i was driving a 02 s3 (same engine as the 35) and that responded exacty as the ed35 does!
all great cars
peace out!
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02 s3 engine is not the same as far as I know
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Really does make me laugh when people talk about turbo lag on the ed35, anyone would think its like a 80's turbo car :smiley:
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02 s3 engine is not the same as far as I know
ah ok my bad :smiley:
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Really does make me laugh when people talk about turbo lag on the ed35, anyone would think its like a 80's turbo car :smiley:
As I have said before I love the character of this engine with the slight lag you get a big whoosh of torque and an even bigger smile :grin:
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02 s3 engine is not the same as far as I know
Yup 1.8T with 225ps
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Really does make me laugh when people talk about turbo lag on the ed35, anyone would think its like a 80's turbo car :smiley:
True, the Edition 35 is not the worst car in terms of lag. But there is a difference.
To put it in perspective, I thought the standard GTI was great in terms of turbo lag until I bought my recent MINI Works. Compared to the GTI the MINI drives like an NA because the power is instant. Only after getting used to the MINI did I jump back in the GTI and notice a bit of lag, and yet if you'd asked me "does the GTI have turbo lag" before, I'd have said no.
To really notice the lag, you'd have to drive a car without it beforehand and then you'll be able to notice it. But I agree, the Edition 35 is not exactly a Focus RS.
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Really does make me laugh when people talk about turbo lag on the ed35, anyone would think its like a 80's turbo car :smiley:
True, the Edition 35 is not the worst car in terms of lag. But there is a difference.
To put it in perspective, I thought the standard GTI was great in terms of turbo lag until I bought my recent MINI Works. Compared to the GTI the MINI drives like an NA because the power is instant. Only after getting used to the MINI did I jump back in the GTI and notice a bit of lag, and yet if you'd asked me "does the GTI have turbo lag" before, I'd have said no.
To really notice the lag, you'd have to drive a car without it beforehand and then you'll be able to notice it. But I agree, the Edition 35 is not exactly a Focus RS.
Yes i know what your saying i know its not a turbo but ive drove a gti straight after driving a R32, i never tried it but it wouldn't surprise me if you could pull off in 3rd in a R32 and it would give smooth power with no engine labour :smiley:
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At the end of the day that woman who drives a transit van round the nurburgring (top gear!) would smoke you all round there no matter what you had :grin: :grin:
A lot is down to the driver and who has got the talent to keep the motor what ever it is going through the corners simples :grin:
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well if thats all you need to do is get to your turn off before the other car :rolleyes:
then I am VERY sorry to say to you all :smug:
but my diesel vectra is quicker than
1, all mk6 gtis
2, all mk6 gtds
3 all edition 35s
hope that helps, :wink:
have a nice day now :kiss:
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Really does make me laugh when people talk about turbo lag on the ed35, anyone would think its like a 80's turbo car :smiley:
True, the Edition 35 is not the worst car in terms of lag. But there is a difference.
To put it in perspective, I thought the standard GTI was great in terms of turbo lag until I bought my recent MINI Works. Compared to the GTI the MINI drives like an NA because the power is instant. Only after getting used to the MINI did I jump back in the GTI and notice a bit of lag, and yet if you'd asked me "does the GTI have turbo lag" before, I'd have said no.
To really notice the lag, you'd have to drive a car without it beforehand and then you'll be able to notice it. But I agree, the Edition 35 is not exactly a Focus RS.
Exactly other companies can make turbo cars without much lag issues but vw don't seem to be able to there solution is to fit a supercharger as well which is just laffable.
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Does no one test drive their cars, all some people seem to do on here is moan.
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Really does make me laugh when people talk about turbo lag on the ed35, anyone would think its like a 80's turbo car :smiley:
True, the Edition 35 is not the worst car in terms of lag. But there is a difference.
To put it in perspective, I thought the standard GTI was great in terms of turbo lag until I bought my recent MINI Works. Compared to the GTI the MINI drives like an NA because the power is instant. Only after getting used to the MINI did I jump back in the GTI and notice a bit of lag, and yet if you'd asked me "does the GTI have turbo lag" before, I'd have said no.
To really notice the lag, you'd have to drive a car without it beforehand and then you'll be able to notice it. But I agree, the Edition 35 is not exactly a Focus RS.
Id take a guess as well that some of that being down to the mini's weight, any idea what the torque is lowdown compared to the gti ?, that might give a clue.
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Yes but a 5 min test drive does not show things up. Plus when an enigine is new and tight its caracteristics change after a few thousand miles.
As for the paint issues that's probably my fault for.not looking close enough as the cars I inspected were red and a white one that I test drove one which the finish does not show up on. Until very close inspection.
I've driven ed30 and s3s more extensive whichs why I did not buy one
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They don't change that much drastically low down and if they do surely it would have stuck out like a sore thumb on the test drive and would have been a major concern.
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I could come on here with rose tinted glasses and say its the best car in the world.
But myself as a buyer would rather know about any issues. It's why I have spent the week reading the a1 forum to find out any issues. It's why we won't be ordering certain things or one with the twincharger or dsg box.
Sorry if this upsets you but I'm not someone who spends money on cars lightly and we normally keep our cars 8 years or more (just about to replace our 2004 ibiza for example) so I would prefer to know about anything that may turn into an issue in that time.
It seems to upset you and a few others that some members here including myself are pointing out things others may want to know. I know my early paint threads and dealer threads upset some. It's one of the reasons I have not posted much (family issues is another) I'm sorry if me informing others is upsetting. I will stop if that's what the forum collective want.
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I can honestly say it doesn't upset me at all and i am no VW fanboy as in saying its the best built thing ever. I haven' t seen your pics but looking at that linky of probs with paint etc, me personally think some of it is a bit anorak especially as its a mass built car and me personally if things bothered me that much as ive said before id get shut of it. I just clean, drive and enjoy mine :smiley:
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My problem is I'm a design engineer. One of my best mates is a quality manager at Nissan so between us we look at engineering and quality matters all the time. It therefore pissed me off when a company like vw cut corners so much
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That explains it all then :smiley: i guess cars today don't have to be painted everywhere ie boot, as in past years were cars used to rot manufactures would just coat them in anything they could.
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That explains it all then :smiley: i guess cars today don't have to be painted everywhere ie boot, as in past years were cars used to rot manufactures would just coat them in anything they could.
good point... I know it annoys some people, but why would you want paint where no one sees it anyway :huh:
less paint = less weight :evil:
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That explains it all then :smiley: i guess cars today don't have to be painted everywhere ie boot, as in past years were cars used to rot manufactures would just coat them in anything they could.
good point... I know it annoys some people, but why would you want paint where no one sees it anyway :huh:
less paint = less weight :evil:
Because unlike a lot of people on here i keep cars for a long time. If the underside or panel edges are only primed and not undersealed or even top coat painted you get rust issues with time. Thats fine and not a problem when you only have the car 1,2 maybe 3 years but further down the line at 4 or 5 years old you get rusted through panels like the mk5's thats not good and they have cut back further with the 6 than the 5.
Plus some of the places mine isnt painted can be seen. If the suns shinning on the side of the car you can see the unpainted bit on the door jam from the other side of the car park (people at work have seen it and i have not said about it to them) as well as the gray bits in the A-pillar on the edges of the wings.
If im truthful with myself i should get rid and just run one of the other cars i own. But the hassle i went though to get the damb thing and i like the look of my Mk6 GTI, it makes me smile when i see it, its nice to drive and i like GTI's, the GTI name is probably the main reason i have not got rid, silly history from owning my mk1 for 22 years i guess. Silly really but its a hart over head thing but its not far off me making the decision and just keeping the leon instead or getting something else, do have a soft spot for a sepang blue TTRS at times.
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I imagine all the extra plastic they use allows them to get away with using less paint.. I wouldnt get too nostalgic with cars it can be a very expensive :cool:
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I wouldnt get too nostalgic with cars it can be a very expensive :cool:
I prob shouldn't, but I do, its why I currently have 7 but my head says its out of hand and just stupid so im going to cut that back to 3 by the end of the year.
(before anyone asks one of the 3 staying is the mk1 it is not for sale)
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VW Driver mag has a table with the MK6-GTI and the MK5-ED30, the ED30 is faster in every test except 0-80.
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VW Driver mag has a table with the MK6-GTI and the MK5-ED30, the ED30 is faster in every test except 0-80.
I would expect so being 20bhp up.