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General => General discussion => Topic started by: rob.043 on 01 February 2012, 15:40
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185)
Ok so Raymond and his partner are prolific breeders and have loads of children to support, but could they not easly live for the capped rate if they cut out the 24 cans of lager and 200 fags A WEEK! :shocked: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes: :laugh: :huh: :cry: :sick:
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Cap it
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For.
Fed up of having my tax paying for people that aren't willing to work and pay their way.
In that case, they shouldn't have had so many children
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Dont really care, they are still going to take nearly a grand off me in tax every month
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Dont really care, they are still going to take nearly a grand off me in tax every month
I'm self employed, so am not very forthcoming when it comes to paying tax, so I don't care either.
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I'm not ususally one who is picky over words so long as the meaning is clear. But in this case we really, really need to stop referring to them as benefits and bring back the stigma of living long term off the state.
Benefit - positive connotations; advantage, perk of living here.
Welfare - living off the charity of others.
Eliminate monetary payments altogether. Each week a ration book is given, food, bills, clothes, etc.
Diminishing child tax credits. Those who wish to live long term off the state have a basic existence.
As (morally speaking) we can't cull them, we really need to socially engineer the dross from society, otherwise they grow exponentially.
When you hear about people driving a new 1.4 TSI on f**king mobility.
That's what really sets me off on a rage.
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In theory yes i am for the cap.
But anyone that gets more than 26k a year, what exactly is this made up of?
Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?
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Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?
The trouble is, there ARE plenty of jobs, but they tend to be lower paid and carried out by non-UK nationals who are prepared to work where bone idle Brits think menial/low paid work is below them...so they'd rather sit at home and expect the taxpayer to pay for their rent/beer/fags/plasma TV and Sky.
If it were up to me, if you don't work, and haven't paid into the system (to make sure the honest get a help out if thet genuinely need it) then you'd get a sh!t house in a sh!t area and basic food vouchers.
A new car, foreign holidays, Sky TV, iPhone etc should not be attainable by the bone idle, lazy, theiving toe-rags who think the State should owe them a good income.
The minimum wage should be increased to make sure people can actuallt live on it...and Taxpayers handouts all but stopped, so this insane situation where you 'get more staying at home then you do working' doesn't happen.
And if you can't afford kids...don't breed.
Simples.
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Completely agree with the above, cap it to 10k..
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Food stamps.
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Completely agree with the above, cap it to £1..
Fixed for you.
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Cap it... so many scrotebags and wasters in this country..
Watched that program lastnight on the families with like 15kids. 2 of the fams had jobs and managed fine. but one woman was claiming for 15 children, her husband had comited benifit fraud had a huge council house and car and her 16year old daughter was just giving bitrth also!!!!
At my age, (just turning 20) it would be honestly easier for me to get my girlfriend pregnant. become homeless and quit my apprenticeship... id have alot more time and money...
This countrys a joke.
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Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?
The trouble is, there ARE plenty of jobs, but they tend to be lower paid and carried out by non-UK nationals who are prepared to work where bone idle Brits think menial/low paid work is below them...so they'd rather sit at home and expect the taxpayer to pay for their rent/beer/fags/plasma TV and Sky.
If it were up to me, if you don't work, and haven't paid into the system (to make sure the honest get a help out if thet genuinely need it) then you'd get a sh!t house in a sh!t area and basic food vouchers.
A new car, foreign holidays, Sky TV, iPhone etc should not be attainable by the bone idle, lazy, theiving toe-rags who think the State should owe them a good income.
The minimum wage should be increased to make sure people can actuallt live on it...and Taxpayers handouts all but stopped, so this insane situation where you 'get more staying at home then you do working' doesn't happen.
And if you can't afford kids...don't breed.
Simples.
I hear what you're saying Glen.
But there are nearly 3 million unemployed(official figures), unofficial figures will be much higher.
There AREN'T enough jobs, that is a fact unfortunately. Like everyone else, i hate scroungers, but i think it is wrong to demonise the unemployed.
I do hope none of you end up losing your jobs :rolleyes:
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sick of hearing people moaning about the cap, Only £500 a week? my heart bleeds! Go Dave!!!
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I hear what you're saying Glen.
But there are nearly 3 million unemployed(official figures), unofficial figures will be much higher.
There AREN'T enough jobs, that is a fact unfortunately. Like everyone else, i hate scroungers, but i think it is wrong to demonise the unemployed.
If you look at non-UK Nationals who work in fish processing plants, factories, hotels, take aways etc...you are rapidly heading up there in numbers.
The people do those jobs because they have a work ethic.
Your average lazy unemployed Brit sees such jobs as below them...and won't do them.
If they did, we would have less illegal workers in the UK...as well as less unemployment.
I do hope none of you end up losing your jobs :rolleyes:
I've lost mine...twice...so know the feeling.
However, if someone has paid into the system, then the system should help them out. If the system - or taxpayer - was not having to provide handouts for the bone idle, there would be more available for the genuine people of the country.
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Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?
The trouble is, there ARE plenty of jobs, but they tend to be lower paid and carried out by non-UK nationals who are prepared to work where bone idle Brits think menial/low paid work is below them...so they'd rather sit at home and expect the taxpayer to pay for their rent/beer/fags/plasma TV and Sky.
If it were up to me, if you don't work, and haven't paid into the system (to make sure the honest get a help out if thet genuinely need it) then you'd get a sh!t house in a sh!t area and basic food vouchers.
A new car, foreign holidays, Sky TV, iPhone etc should not be attainable by the bone idle, lazy, theiving toe-rags who think the State should owe them a good income.
The minimum wage should be increased to make sure people can actuallt live on it...and Taxpayers handouts all but stopped, so this insane situation where you 'get more staying at home then you do working' doesn't happen.
And if you can't afford kids...don't breed.
Simples.
I hear what you're saying Glen.
But there are nearly 3 million unemployed(official figures), unofficial figures will be much higher.
There AREN'T enough jobs, that is a fact unfortunately. Like everyone else, i hate scroungers, but i think it is wrong to demonise the unemployed.
I do hope none of you end up losing your jobs :rolleyes:
Needs to be a complete re-write of the system. If you work hard for years and pay taxes then hard times hit and you loose your job you should be entitled to benefits etc. for a set amount of time e.g. 6 months to a year. after that you should get f**k all.
Benefits should be you just scrap by. Not a ps3 in every room with 42" plasmas, 2 holidays a year and a nice car.
If you have 8 kids should you have a 9 bed house paid for? If I had 8 kids would the government extend my house to accommodate them.
The whole system is f**ked. It penalises people who work and rewards people who never have and pops out kids for fun
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Needs to be a complete re-write of the system. If you work hard for years and pay taxes then hard times hit and you loose your job you should be entitled to benefits etc. for a set amount of time e.g. 6 months to a year. after that you should get f**k all.
Benefits should be you just scrap by. Not a ps3 in every room with 42" plasmas, 2 holidays a year and a nice car.
If you have 8 kids should you have a 9 bed house paid for? If I had 8 kids would the government extend my house to accommodate them.
Amen to that. :smiley:
The whole system is f**ked. It penalises people who work and rewards people who never have and pops out kids for fun
But it's just so easy to tax those who have too much self respect to be a sponging, layabout, bone idle waste of space and who bother going to work in order to have a nice life.
It's just too easy to add a few % on the VAT or a Penny in the Pound on Income Tax.
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Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?
The trouble is, there ARE plenty of jobs, but they tend to be lower paid and carried out by non-UK nationals who are prepared to work where bone idle Brits think menial/low paid work is below them...so they'd rather sit at home and expect the taxpayer to pay for their rent/beer/fags/plasma TV and Sky.
If it were up to me, if you don't work, and haven't paid into the system (to make sure the honest get a help out if thet genuinely need it) then you'd get a sh!t house in a sh!t area and basic food vouchers.
A new car, foreign holidays, Sky TV, iPhone etc should not be attainable by the bone idle, lazy, theiving toe-rags who think the State should owe them a good income.
The minimum wage should be increased to make sure people can actuallt live on it...and Taxpayers handouts all but stopped, so this insane situation where you 'get more staying at home then you do working' doesn't happen.
And if you can't afford kids...don't breed.
Simples.
100% agree.
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There is always going to be unemployed, unless we have another world war.
Take away all the migrant workers, and will still be huge, and it's getting bigger.
So the question still is, what do we do as a society?
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saw the rhread title and thought we had all gone femine all of a sudden :undecided:
wrong kinda cap
(http://www.cervicalbarriers.org/downloads/Images/CBs_with_cases.jpg)
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I'm not really sure what effect the cap is going to have on anything. They've not explained how it effects people who are working, and claiming for certain things.
As long as I can still get child benefit, and some tax credits if I'm lucky, then cap it. If I can't, they shouldn't cap it.
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Stop immigrants coming into this country and milking the system dry with our free NHS care and schools for the kids etc. They should get f**k all until they pay taxes :angry:
I pay my taxes for my right to go to the hospital when im ill and send my kids to school and not for immigrants. I see it every day and it f**ks me off. that is why this country is on its knees!!!!
At least "Raymond" has paid some tax in his life!
Rant over
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185)
Ok so Raymond and his partner are prolific breeders and have loads of children to support, but could they not easly live for the capped rate if they cut out the 24 cans of lager and 200 fags A WEEK! :shocked: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes: :laugh: :huh: :cry: :sick:
That family could easily get by with £80 a week less - ditch the sky TV, fags, baccy and beer and they're a fair way to saving that money.
Pisses me off that, since my OH lost his job we've cut back on everything and I'm working every bit of overtime I possibly can to make ends meet without taking any benefits. We certainly wouldn't chuck regular money away on stupid unnecessary crap like Sky TV or going to the pub every week! :angry: :angry: :angry:
Not to mention that he has been jobless since 2001 and yet has a five year old son? I can understand people struggling who have children THEN lose their job but why continue to have more children when you've been jobless for years and your wife is ill?
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Not to mention that he has been jobless since 2001 and yet has a five year old son? I can understand people struggling who have children THEN lose their job but why continue to have more children when you've been jobless for years and your wife is ill?
There is a blackadder quote that goes something like, 'the peasants are so poor they are forced to have children just to provide a cheap alternative to turkey at Christmas'
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Don't think the cap will make a difference, if anything it will rape the working class who rely heavily on child tax credits and child benefit to pay for nursery/childminders fee's, which funnily enough keep that family in work, they will be the ones penalized for working.
Whilst people who are fully unemployed and have been living off the state with the sky dishes will be classed as venerable and this category will continue to receive full support of the cap.
Its like this whole B$ about bankers and bonus's and making a debate out of it but no one is really saying much, why? Well you get taxed on bonus's, so a bonus is a good thing in the governments eyes, so if they don't get bonus then will we have to fork out more in taxes because of the new lack of funds?
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Its like this whole B$ about bankers and bonus's and making a debate out of it but no one is really saying much, why? Well you get taxed on bonus's, so a bonus is a good thing in the governments eyes, so if they don't get bonus then will we have to fork out more in taxes because of the new lack of funds?
The bonus pot should be put back into lending more money to small businesses. More jobs, more tax paid..
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Also the problem of unemployment won't go away. We are going to see unemployment continuing to rise.
There isn't enough jobs for everyone, so what do we do?
The trouble is, there ARE plenty of jobs, but they tend to be lower paid and carried out by non-UK nationals who are prepared to work where bone idle Brits think menial/low paid work is below them...so they'd rather sit at home and expect the taxpayer to pay for their rent/beer/fags/plasma TV and Sky.
If it were up to me, if you don't work, and haven't paid into the system (to make sure the honest get a help out if thet genuinely need it) then you'd get a sh!t house in a sh!t area and basic food vouchers.
A new car, foreign holidays, Sky TV, iPhone etc should not be attainable by the bone idle, lazy, theiving toe-rags who think the State should owe them a good income.
The minimum wage should be increased to make sure people can actuallt live on it...and Taxpayers handouts all but stopped, so this insane situation where you 'get more staying at home then you do working' doesn't happen.
And if you can't afford kids...don't breed.
Simples.
Where are these jobs then? I'd really love to know as I would love to work for a living I've been on jobseekers for 5 months now and hate it, I was on it twice before this for 4 months and 8 months all in the last 2 years so in the last 24 months I've been on jobseekers for 17 months, I don't get enough to live on, I get £92 per week with both housing benefit and jobseekers and my rent is £75 per week leaving me £17 to pay my bills and eat.
I don't think low paid jobs are below me, last week I worked over 90 hours and earned £250 for it, I will let the jobcentre know when I next sign on and I'll lose £52 for that week in benefit which means I made £198 for 90 hours work, but I do it so that I'm claiming as little as possible.
I haven't paid tax or NI contributions since I was 16 as none of my employers paid it even though they should have, I have never been paid 1 days holiday even though I was employed, I have been forced to work unpaid overtime and was working 50/70 hours per week at 16 and 17 which anyone under 18 Isn't allowed to do, my first job was £3 an hour, I have never been paid as much as the minimum wage and when I was 16 I tore the ligaments in my ankle and ripped the muscles in my shoulder one day at work and was back working the next day as if I had taken time off I'd have lost my job.
Where I live a new restaurant opened and were recruiting, over 1000 people applied for the bar staff jobs, a cleaning job came up over 1500 applied for that, my old boss while I was working for him advertised for a labourer in 1 day he had over 200 people call for it so with that many people chasing a handful of jobs it's actually hard for me to get one.
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Completely agree that benefits should be limited. £240/wk on "groceries". WTF?!?
We have four grown adults and weekly shop comes to £60. Even if you doubled that, it's still far less than they spend.
Benefits should be limited to that it's always better to work. This probably means having to raise the minimum wage.
People who are disabled/mentally handicapped etc should be placed in specialised homes, where you have trained staff to look after them, and attend to their needs. Eases any burden off family who can then go and work.
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I'm proud to live in a country that helps its people when they're down and out.
I'm ashamed to live in a country whose people abuse a system of support.
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Completely agree that benefits should be limited. £240/wk on "groceries". WTF?!?
We have four grown adults and weekly shop comes to £60. Even if you doubled that, it's still far less than they spend.
Benefits should be limited to that it's always better to work. This probably means having to raise the minimum wage.
People who are disabled/mentally handicapped etc should be placed in specialised homes, where you have trained staff to look after them, and attend to their needs. Eases any burden off family who can then go and work.
£60 on 4 adults. Tell me where and how??
I honestly struggle to get shopping for less than £75 for 2 and 2 kids.
The capping aint the answer. The work ethic is the issue. Workhouses were the only option back in the day and seeing as most council estates are the places that are run down how about forced labour for those over 2yrs unemployed and where they contribute back to society that is helping them...bricklaying/gardening/painting/ etc ?
Amounts need to be capped and they need to THINK about how their actions affect others....that is what is wrong but when our own government doesn't why should anyone else??
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make it so you have to be employed to qualify for sky tv and see how many magically find a job
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One of the points we haven't raised tho is the amount of claimants who also commit fraud on a large scale of thousands a year. Only a small proportion do get caught. Tho it's. It quite as bad as the 80s yet whereby people walked out of one door with their cheque and back in for another queue under another name!! :grin:
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£60 on 4 adults. Tell me where and how??
WTF do you buy?
We buy cereal/eggs/milk for brekkie. Everyone takes sandwiches for lunch. I take a tracker bar, poece of fruit. I drink tap water. Evening meal is the same stuff we've always had. No booze/cigs. No crisps/choc/fizzy stuff etc. On the occasions we do splash out/need to buy more, the bill has never been higher than £80, even at Xmas. We go to Morrisons.
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As above... I agree that the current system does not work. So I purpose a new system.
Everyone gets £200pw as a minimum. However tax works the opposite way round. If you dont work your £200 gets tax down to <£1
The more you work the greater the tax reduction on this sum.
Figures are of course made up.. but with a little work and a few tweeks I think I could be onto something here. You can look at it 2 ways (I suggest looking at it through the eyes of a benifits scrounger.
"Here you go son, £200 for doing nothing. But everyday you are not out there collecting litter or polishing drains your £200 goes down by £40. Off you go lad".
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How about someone addresses the real problem, most people who are out of work for a long time but genuinely trying to get a job find it hard, lots will have got degrees or done one specific type of job and not have any experience doing anything else, but there is no work in their chosen field so they have to find a job in a different field, trouble is all company's want someone with experience, how can someone get experience if no one will be the first to give them a job?
Most company's don't give training anymore so you have to pay for everything yourself which while out of work is not possible, the jobcentre does give training but it isn't any good, I done an SIA course to do security, I finished the course and was then told I had to find £275 to pay for the licence, I had a job waiting for me but just couldn't find £275 out of nowhere, I tried borrowing it but no one had it to lend me so I went to the jobcentre and asked if they would pay for it, I offered to pay it back and sign off there and then but they wouldn't, so for the sake of them lending me £275 I claimed for months before I got another job.
They should make people do training courses, not the rubbish ones they have now but one that mean something and that will actually help people back into work, bring back the £1000 bonus for company's who employ people who have been on jobseekers for 6 months or more.
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The whole SIA thing is a gimmick don't even get me started on that, just another means of making money for the government and one of its industry's coordinators!
However some firms will pay for your SIA license and when you leave they will decuct accordingly on the length you heald the license. Finding a company to do this is the hard part however.
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£60 on 4 adults. Tell me where and how??
WTF do you buy?
We buy cereal/eggs/milk for brekkie. Everyone takes sandwiches for lunch. I take a tracker bar, poece of fruit. I drink tap water. Evening meal is the same stuff we've always had. No booze/cigs. No crisps/choc/fizzy stuff etc. On the occasions we do splash out/need to buy more, the bill has never been higher than £80, even at Xmas. We go to Morrisons.
Are you on a diet then?
60 quid to feed 4 adults, that's the funniest thing i've heard for ages.
You must be starving :grin:
I also presume you mean 60 quid just for food, or you talking about your total shopping bill?
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The whole SIA thing is a gimmick don't even get me started on that, just another means of making money for the government and one of its industry's coordinators!
However some firms will pay for your SIA license and when you leave they will decuct accordingly on the length you heald the license. Finding a company to do this is the hard part however.
The SIA should be done away with this year and a different self regulating system put in place, meaning companies will make it up as they go along. :grin:
I've got my licence now and am due to start working anytime, it's only relief work for 2 months which means I've got to be ready to go in and work a night shift on as little as 3 hours notice and have been told to expected to get 1 day per week but they now want a cscs card as well, all just pointless paperwork none of it means a fu*king thing.
The cost of training, licence, cscs card and health and safety training to get the cscs card makes me wonder why anyone does it, especially when it's all bl00dy night work for minimum wage, I'm desperate to work so will take any job for any wage, but surely that can't be the case for everyone who does it.
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How about someone addresses the real problem, most people who are out of work for a long time but genuinely trying to get a job find it hard, lots will have got degrees or done one specific type of job and not have any experience doing anything else, but there is no work in their chosen field so they have to find a job in a different field, trouble is all company's want someone with experience, how can someone get experience if no one will be the first to give them a job?
Most company's don't give training anymore so you have to pay for everything yourself which while out of work is not possible, the jobcentre does give training but it isn't any good, I done an SIA course to do security, I finished the course and was then told I had to find £275 to pay for the licence, I had a job waiting for me but just couldn't find £275 out of nowhere, I tried borrowing it but no one had it to lend me so I went to the jobcentre and asked if they would pay for it, I offered to pay it back and sign off there and then but they wouldn't, so for the sake of them lending me £275 I claimed for months before I got another job.
They should make people do training courses, not the rubbish ones they have now but one that mean something and that will actually help people back into work, bring back the £1000 bonus for company's who employ people who have been on jobseekers for 6 months or more.
Why not offer to work for a company for free?
I know lots of people that have done this... make your self employable during your 'trial' period :wink:
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I honestly don't know how people struggle so much to find work, i left school with no qualifications but have always managed to work whether it be in a permenant position or temp position.
I have also been made redundant in the past & had to sign on but got off my arse & got a job through a temp agency & gradually worked my way slowly up again. If you can't find work where you live either look for jobs out of the area & travel or move to where the work is.
I do think they should cap benefits, i am all for helping people out when life gives them a knock but there needs to be a limit,why should people be allowed to not work & keep banging out kids who will probably end up doing the exact same as they have no role models.
The basis of the story is if people can't afford kids then they shouldn't have them because i don't see why i should pay for them :lipsrsealed:
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It depends on your skill set.
I had 10-20 job offers a week, i have just taken permanent employment instead of contracting. Im still getting people trying to poach me, but i have specific skills that are saught after and are rare (compared to a bricky say)
My other halfs dad is a superb builder, knows and can do everything, he has had to get a cab license to pay ends meat as there is no work in that trade, even then he struggles to get slots with the car. He will work all day, his skill list is huge and he is a hard worker, but if the job you are going for has hundreds or thousands of other people then there is always someone better than you!
Oh, with the shopping thing, me and the missus spend about 45 quid a week and we shop in M&S, so its more than possible in somewhere like morrisons! Vouchers, deals, veg from the markets etc Tap water, take lunch to work, no crap foods
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Oh, with the shopping thing, me and the missus spend about 45 quid a week and we shop in M&S, so its more than possible in somewhere like morrisons! Vouchers, deals, veg from the markets etc Tap water, take lunch to work, no crap foods
Aren't you posh :grin:
I live with the wife and 3 kids, we shop at ALDI, and it comes to around £80 a week, sometimes more, sometimes less.
But i do eat at the chip shop 4 days a week :lipsrsealed:
This does include all the shopping, not just food.
I assume everyone does buy more than just food as part of the weekly shop?
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It depends on your skill set.
I had 10-20 job offers a week, i have just taken permanent employment instead of contracting. Im still getting people trying to poach me, but i have specific skills that are saught after and are rare (compared to a bricky say)
My other halfs dad is a superb builder, knows and can do everything, he has had to get a cab license to pay ends meat as there is no work in that trade, even then he struggles to get slots with the car. He will work all day, his skill list is huge and he is a hard worker, but if the job you are going for has hundreds or thousands of other people then there is always someone better than you!
Oh, with the shopping thing, me and the missus spend about 45 quid a week and we shop in M&S, so its more than possible in somewhere like morrisons! Vouchers, deals, veg from the markets etc Tap water, take lunch to work, no crap foods
I wouldn't say my skill set is amazing i am just a Warehouse Manager but i am good at what i do. When i got made redundant i ended up working for half the money i am on now but had to be done to get myself back on the ladder. I find it easier to get a job if you are already in a job, so take what ever job comes along to put myself back in the market.
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How about someone addresses the real problem, most people who are out of work for a long time but genuinely trying to get a job find it hard, lots will have got degrees or done one specific type of job and not have any experience doing anything else, but there is no work in their chosen field so they have to find a job in a different field, trouble is all company's want someone with experience, how can someone get experience if no one will be the first to give them a job?
Most company's don't give training anymore so you have to pay for everything yourself which while out of work is not possible, the jobcentre does give training but it isn't any good, I done an SIA course to do security, I finished the course and was then told I had to find £275 to pay for the licence, I had a job waiting for me but just couldn't find £275 out of nowhere, I tried borrowing it but no one had it to lend me so I went to the jobcentre and asked if they would pay for it, I offered to pay it back and sign off there and then but they wouldn't, so for the sake of them lending me £275 I claimed for months before I got another job.
They should make people do training courses, not the rubbish ones they have now but one that mean something and that will actually help people back into work, bring back the £1000 bonus for company's who employ people who have been on jobseekers for 6 months or more.
Why not offer to work for a company for free?
I know lots of people that have done this... make your self employable during your 'trial' period :wink:
I have offered but would only be allowed to work 1 week 2 at a push without my jobseekers being affected and I need to tell the jobcentre about it first so they can check the company out and make sure there is really a job there at the end, then they will tell me if I'm allowed to do it or not. Also most of the work is over 20 miles away, which would cost me £10 per day in travel which I can't afford, I'm nearly £2000 in debt now so I only offer if the job is near me and I could bike or walk there.
I look for work up to 60 miles away, permanent/temp, full/part time, day/night, I was working as a labourer but there is no work around so my boss had to let me and another go, third time I've been laid off by him, I have only really done labouring, fencing and worked at a racing kennels, only 1 job ever had any tax or NI contributions paid on my behalf even though I wasn't self employed for any of them, so none of them will admit I worked there let alone give me a reference and I never went to school.
So for me work is hard to come by, as on paper I have not gone to school, don't have any qualifications, don't have any employer references and have not worked since I was 17, if you were in charge of recruitment would you employ me? I know I wouldn't
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Benefits should be scrapped........I'm sickin tired of working my ass up to feed my self and family and these people live their lives better than me without working (on my tax converted into benefit for them).
If they are unable to work, then how come these people can have child every year :angry: :angry:
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I have offered but would only be allowed to work 1 week 2 at a push without my jobseekers being affected and I need to tell the jobcentre about it first so they can check the company out and make sure there is really a job there at the end, then they will tell me if I'm allowed to do it or not. Also most of the work is over 20 miles away, which would cost me £10 per day in travel which I can't afford, I'm nearly £2000 in debt now so I only offer if the job is near me and I could bike or walk there.
I look for work up to 60 miles away, permanent/temp, full/part time, day/night, I was working as a labourer but there is no work around so my boss had to let me and another go, third time I've been laid off by him, I have only really done labouring, fencing and worked at a racing kennels, only 1 job ever had any tax or NI contributions paid on my behalf even though I wasn't self employed for any of them, so none of them will admit I worked there let alone give me a reference and I never went to school.
So for me work is hard to come by, as on paper I have not gone to school, don't have any qualifications, don't have any employer references and have not worked since I was 17, if you were in charge of recruitment would you employ me? I know I wouldn't
You have missed my point. Yet managed to help me make my point also. Excuses...
why do you need to pay £10 to travel... bus? walk? bike? get help from a friend that may just appreciate that you are not sat on your a$$
If there are no jobs where you are... then how do your neighbours earn a living?
Not paying NI or Tax are choices you have made and reeped the benifits of. Not me.
Again its any excuse to not do anything... I was unemployed for 3 months last year. I didnt even go to the job centre to sign on. I knuckled down and found work by voulenteering where others wouldnt invest their time.
Try it
*edit excuse the spelling i could type anywhere near as fast as I was thinking
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You're my hero :grin:
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I have offered but would only be allowed to work 1 week 2 at a push without my jobseekers being affected and I need to tell the jobcentre about it first so they can check the company out and make sure there is really a job there at the end, then they will tell me if I'm allowed to do it or not. Also most of the work is over 20 miles away, which would cost me £10 per day in travel which I can't afford, I'm nearly £2000 in debt now so I only offer if the job is near me and I could bike or walk there.
I look for work up to 60 miles away, permanent/temp, full/part time, day/night, I was working as a labourer but there is no work around so my boss had to let me and another go, third time I've been laid off by him, I have only really done labouring, fencing and worked at a racing kennels, only 1 job ever had any tax or NI contributions paid on my behalf even though I wasn't self employed for any of them, so none of them will admit I worked there let alone give me a reference and I never went to school.
So for me work is hard to come by, as on paper I have not gone to school, don't have any qualifications, don't have any employer references and have not worked since I was 17, if you were in charge of recruitment would you employ me? I know I wouldn't
Try selling one of your 3 cars you talk about in your sig that might free up some cash :rolleyes:
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Are you on a diet then?
60 quid to feed 4 adults, that's the funniest thing i've heard for ages.
You must be starving :grin:
I also presume you mean 60 quid just for food, or you talking about your total shopping bill?
£60 for whatever we need that week. Can go up to £80 if we have simultaneously bought bog roll, washing powder etc.
No one smokes or drinks in our family either.
How much do you all spend? Think it's time for a poll!
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A weekly shop that lasts two weeks is about £60, but really its more like £80 due to the amount of milk we buy in that time period plus nappies between me, misses and the little one, it would be less if you didnt have to buy extra's along the way like the odd extra battery etc otherwise it probably be more like £50 over the £60.
People at work get shocked when I say it yet they know I do make good food as they see me t lunch but are baffled when there weekly shops ar £80-150... Really don't know what they buy?
Also I'm not skinny so you can't throw that excuse saying I live on the bread line :lol:
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We spend about £300+ a month food shopping & there is just me & the Mrs, we do however buy a lot of meat from the butchers which may cost a little more but is much better quality
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I have offered but would only be allowed to work 1 week 2 at a push without my jobseekers being affected and I need to tell the jobcentre about it first so they can check the company out and make sure there is really a job there at the end, then they will tell me if I'm allowed to do it or not. Also most of the work is over 20 miles away, which would cost me £10 per day in travel which I can't afford, I'm nearly £2000 in debt now so I only offer if the job is near me and I could bike or walk there.
I look for work up to 60 miles away, permanent/temp, full/part time, day/night, I was working as a labourer but there is no work around so my boss had to let me and another go, third time I've been laid off by him, I have only really done labouring, fencing and worked at a racing kennels, only 1 job ever had any tax or NI contributions paid on my behalf even though I wasn't self employed for any of them, so none of them will admit I worked there let alone give me a reference and I never went to school.
So for me work is hard to come by, as on paper I have not gone to school, don't have any qualifications, don't have any employer references and have not worked since I was 17, if you were in charge of recruitment would you employ me? I know I wouldn't
You have missed my point. Yet managed to help me make my point also. Excuses...
why do you need to pay £10 to travel... bus? walk? bike? get help from a friend that may just appreciate that you are not sat on your a$$
If there are no jobs where you are... then how do your neighbours earn a living?
Not paying NI or Tax are choices you have made and reeped the benifits of. Not me.
Again its any excuse to not do anything... I was unemployed for 3 months last year. I didnt even go to the job centre to sign on. I knuckled down and found work by voulenteering where others wouldnt invest their time.
Try it
OK so you have managed to do something most people can't, you have royally f**kced me off!
When you have worked from the age of 16 supporting your family because your no good lazy ars3hole of a father chooses to claim disability rather than work and work for £3 per hour doing 50/60 hour weeks then get another job where you think your employer is paying your tax and NI contributions like they should, (NOT MY CHOICE NOT TO HAVE IT PAID, IT WAS TAKEN FROM MY PAY!) then you keep lending him money to pay the bills on top of the rent your paying him end up giving him £10,000 in one lump to pay off mortgage arrears so as not to lose the house bringing the total owed to you to £30,000 to £35,000 only to be kicked out of the house a couple of months later with nothing left in the bank, not knowing anyone with no friends because you weren't allowed, then come back and talk to me because you haven't got a f**kcing clue!
I have had sh!t jobs that no one else will do just so I'm working, that's why my tax never got paid because I have always worked for ars3holes!
Driving is cheaper than the train/bus that's why!!!
If you weren't so quick to judge and took the time to read properly you would have read that I offer to work for free if I can walk/bike there, this is up to 10 miles as that would be all I can manage.
I don't get a friend to drive me as I only have 2 one leaves for work at 01:00 Monday morning and gets back at about 19:00 Friday night so he can't take me and the other works out the country during the week so he can't do it either.
Most my neighbours are retired, a few are out of work, the others have jobs that they have had for years, 1 bloke is the most skilled engineer I have ever met and even he can't get a job.
last week I worked over 90 hours for £250 so that I'm not sitting on my a$$ I've told the jobcentre and I'll have a week deducted from my benefit, when was the last time you worked for £2.77p per hour?
Every job I've ever had I have always got to work early, not once have I been late or not turned up, I have always been lowest paid and hardest worker in the company, I have never taken a days holiday even when I worked 13 out of 14 days for 3 and a half years and even worked Christmas new year and every other bank holiday for the same pay.
It would be nice to have enough money in the bank to not claim for 3 months, unfortunately when I have a job I work for a living and get little pay for it, unlike people who work in an office.
and as I've already said I'm waiting to start a temp job as relief so it's not like I don't want to work, so If you can come up with helpful suggestions instead of being a pr*ck I'd be grateful for the help, if not keep your trap shut about things you know nothing about and bother someone else.
Tigerj360 The Astra is gone, the golf is going to replace the bmw and I'll sell the bmw, already ahead of you on that, the Astra was only worth £200
Oh and seeing as I suffered brain damage when I was beaten as a child I don't ever need to work, I could play on that, claim more money and never work again, difference between me and my dad is, as long as I'm able to work I will.
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Maybe regional difference make a difference to shopping prices, or maybe it's just internet prices :grin:
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I can't understand how they spend that much on shopping either, if you stick to the basics and cook your own food (especially using cheap cuts of meat for slow cooking, buy frozen veg on special offer so nothing gets wasted, no snacks, buy things in bulk etc) it's not hard to keep the cost of a shop down. £240 a WEEK is ridiculous.
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...lots...
Sounds like you working for sh!t pay has made you look unemplyable. Why would someone employ when you have only done rubbish jobs at low level pay?
I turned down work if it didnt pay enough, so was able to slowly build my hourly rate and only picked CV boosting work.
You need to become employable. How old are you? (23?)
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...lots...
Sounds like you working for sh!t pay has made you look unemplyable. Why would someone employ when you have only done rubbish jobs at low level pay?
I turned down work if it didnt pay enough, so was able to slowly build my hourly rate and only picked CV boosting work.
You need to become employable. How old are you? (23?)
The point being most people can't afford to turn work down as they don't have the money to live if they don't work.
I don't think it's anything to do with what he has been paid in the past preventing him getting a job.
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The point is he is looking for work and not scrounging!!!! :laugh: and good on ya! :smiley:
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The point is he is looking for work and not scrounging!!!! :laugh: and good on ya! :smiley:
Yep, i say give the guy a break.
Not everyone on the dole is a scrounger, i say stopping reading the right wing press :rolleyes:
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£26,000 per year capped benefits - still to bloody much, remember that's 100% "take home" Most people I know may earn in the region of that, but then have tax + NI to come off, bringing the equivalent working mans wage in at approx £20,000 after deductions
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£26,000 per year capped benefits - still to bloody much, remember that's 100% "take home" Most people I know may earn in the region of that, but then have tax + NI to come off, bringing the equivalent working mans wage in at approx £20,000 after deductions
I wouldn't say thats too bad to be fair, I have a daughter and me and my partner earn a fair amount, nothing to fantastic, but the child tax credits and child benefits really do help with childcare otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile for us to work, by making the cap to short it would mean if two people work in the household one of them would be better off with no job. Plus them two benefits is really all that the working class receive.
I worked as a student and have continue to work, never once had to sign on and same for my partner, I rather be in work than at home as dull as work may seem.
If it weren't due to ridiculous child care costs I wouldn't need to worry about any form of benefits, but whatever the government seems to govern seems to make that particular thing high priced, before they governed childcare the costs where a hell lot less, same with the SIA argument earlier, if they didn't govern the security industry it would improve wages as a whole, plus the SIA is as pointless as anything as it doesn't really help with your job and the exam can be passed by a monkey.
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£26,000 per year capped benefits - still to bloody much, remember that's 100% "take home" Most people I know may earn in the region of that, but then have tax + NI to come off, bringing the equivalent working mans wage in at approx £20,000 after deductions
I wouldn't say thats too bad to be fair, I have a daughter and me and my partner earn a fair amount, nothing to fantastic, but the child tax credits and child benefits really do help with childcare otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile for us to work, by making the cap to short it would mean if two people work in the household one of them would be better off with no job. Plus them two benefits is really all that the working class receive.
I worked as a student and have continue to work, never once had to sign on and same for my partner, I rather be in work than at home as dull as work may seem.
If it weren't due to ridiculous child care costs I wouldn't need to worry about any form of benefits, but whatever the government seems to govern seems to make that particular thing high priced, before they governed childcare the costs where a hell lot less, same with the SIA argument earlier, if they didn't govern the security industry it would improve wages as a whole, plus the SIA is as pointless as anything as it doesn't really help with your job and the exam can be passed by a monkey.
So are you suggesting that childcare should not be regulated?
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It should but not to the crazy extent the government go, in return to cause the service to become a high premium. as said look at childcare over the last decades and how its changed to the high premium service it is now. As a parent I am more than happy for them to regulate and I am happy to do, but I've seen the government and social services cock up before to many times in other matters as I work for the court, so its more than a reality.
It's like the joke "whats the difference between social services and a bull dog?" "You are more likely to get your child back from the bulldog" :grin:
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£26000 works out to around £35000 gross. So it sounds as though anyone who earns less shouldn't bother working!
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Ray says: "The market for my skills dried up 10 years ago - there's a total lack of work in my area of expertise."
Grow a pair and develop your skills, change with the times, you c#nt. Mobile apps are where it's at, educational apps would be pay a pretty good wage and a damn sight more than being a tw@t on benefits.
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Why do we have to pay for people like this .My cousons is almost 50 and never had a job (just signs on ).He spends his free money on beer. :angry: Same as a block across the road (24 years old) .God he does my head in. I BLAME IT ON THE GOVERMENT. :sad: Make them work or put them in the army. :nerd:
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OK so you have managed to do something most people can't, you have royally f**kced me off!
Thanks. I try.
When you have worked from the age of 16 supporting your family because your no good lazy ars3hole of a father chooses to claim disability rather than work and work for £3 per hour doing 50/60 hour weeks then get another job where you think your employer is paying your tax and NI contributions like they should, (NOT MY CHOICE NOT TO HAVE IT PAID, IT WAS TAKEN FROM MY PAY!) then you keep lending him money to pay the bills on top of the rent your paying him end up giving him £10,000 in one lump to pay off mortgage arrears so as not to lose the house bringing the total owed to you to £30,000 to £35,000 only to be kicked out of the house a couple of months later with nothing left in the bank, not knowing anyone with no friends because you weren't allowed, then come back and talk to me because you haven't got a f**kcing clue!
While I symapathise with your situation, that was a choice YOU made. Itf was a bad one, but we all make them. This is not about what you have done for others so try not to digress. I was clearly focusing on your excuses for not being able to find work..
I have hadd sh!t jobs that no one else will do just so I'm working, that's why my tax never got paid because I have always worked for ars3holes!
NO. Your tax never got paid because your employer was paying a proportion of the tax to YOU.
Driving is cheaper than the train/bus that's why!!!
If you weren't so quick to judge and took the time to read properly you would have read that I offer to work for free if I can walk/bike there, this is up to 10 miles as that would be all I can manage.
I don't get a friend to drive me as I only have 2 one leaves for work at 01:00 Monday morning and gets back at about 19:00 Friday night so he can't take me and the other works out the country during the week so he can't do it either.
Buy a scooter.
Most my neighbours are retired, a few are out of work, the others have jobs that they have had for years, 1 bloke is the most skilled engineer I have ever met and even he can't get a job.
As stated before, a change of skill set seems to be required. Why would you keep banging on a door when no one will ever open?
last week I worked over 90 hours for £250 so that I'm not sitting on my a$$ I've told the jobcentre and I'll have a week deducted from my benefit, when was the last time you worked for £2.77p per hour?
Every job I've ever had I have always got to work early, not once have I been late or not turned up, I have always been lowest paid and hardest worker in the company, I have never taken a days holiday even when I worked 13 out of 14 days for 3 and a half years and even worked Christmas new year and every other bank holiday for the same pay.
Glad to hear.
It would be nice to have enough money in the bank to not claim for 3 months, unfortunately when I have a job I work for a living and get little pay for it, unlike people who work in an office.
and as I've already said I'm waiting to start a temp job as relief so it's not like I don't want to work, so If you can come up with helpful suggestions instead of being a pr*ck I'd be grateful for the help, if not keep your trap shut about things you know nothing about and bother someone else.
This kind of answers my question as to why you only have 2 friends. As for people in offices.... they dont just get jobs, they work for them.
Tigerj360 The Astra is gone, the golf is going to replace the bmw and I'll sell the bmw, already ahead of you on that, the Astra was only worth £200
Oh and seeing as I suffered brain damage when I was beaten as a child I don't ever need to work, I could play on that, claim more money and never work again, difference between me and my dad is, as long as I'm able to work I will.
Although I am genuinely sorry to hear about your tough up bringing... I assure you I have some close friends that have endured similar if not worse childhood. They are now... after lots of hard work and some smart moves doing very well for themselves.
Work smarter... not harder. :smiley:.
And to finish I leave you with a nice inspiring tale...
Aged 7 years old a boy and his family was forced out of their home and he needed to work to support his family.
His mother passed away a few years later. His sister died 10 years later. He then started a business venture which failed.
He ran for the State Legislature. He lost. In the same year, he also lost his job. He decided he wanted to go to law school but couldn't get in. He borrowed money from a friend to start a business. By the end of the year, he was bankrupt.
He ran for the State Legislature again. This time he won. The year was looking better as he was engaged to be married. Unfortunately, his fiancée died and he was grief stricken.
This was the year he had a total nervous breakdown and for 6 months was bedridden. He sought to become Speaker of the State Legislature. He was defeated.
He sought to become Elector. He was defeated.
He ran for Congress. He lost. He ran for Congress again. He finally won and moved to Washington. He ran for re-election to Congress. He lost.
He sought the job of Land Officer in his home state. He didn't get the job. His son, then dies. He ran for the Senate of the United states. He lost.
He sought the Vice Presidential nomination at a national convention. He got less than 100 votes. He ran for the Senate again. He lost again.
Later this man is then elected President of the United States . Later his other son also dies at age 12.
On April 14 1865, This man is assassinated. I will leave you to figure out who this man was.
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Child tax credit could be scrapped if it were a case of better and more free child care provided by the gov. We pay £1000 childcare fees at present which we do so because we are £150 a month better off than the other half staying at homeand not working. Once my 4yr old tests full time place in proper reception class that will reduce to £700 but come on. That's for one kid and these childminders have like 3-4kids with them. Take home pay is in the region of my job and manage 9 staff. But I get taxed on it and like I said with mortgage and everything else have little left over.
Roll on the little buggers being in school!!! :grin:
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As said before, I think all handouts should be accountable. Sroungers should make do with a basic existance and only receive what they need, not what they expect.
The same could be said for maintenence payments. My cousin, who is divorced has a 6 year old son. He lives in the same village as his ex wife, so gets very good access to him. In fact when you divide up the time that the lad is not at school, he has his boy living with him over 40% of the time. They both work full time and earn a good wage. They split all the expenses for the lads clothes, shoes, clubs, basically everything 50-50, but even tho' she gets the child benifits and tax credits, he still has to give her £150 a month.
Whilst he doesn't begrudge paying the money for his lad, there is no way the £150 is being spent on him. He reckons she should demonstrate what the money is being spent on, and everything that doesn't go towards feeding and clothing his son, should be put into a savings account for his future.
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^dead right she should
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I'm not sure why the goverment should provide free child care that is another thing that has to be paid why should i pay for someone's children to be looked after.
I am a great believer that people should be means tested before they have children for too long people have expected to have as many children as they want whether they can afford them or not.
I pay the same tax as people with children yet i don't get any benefits like child benefit or tax credits etc etc how can this be fair that people pay less tax in effect because they knocked out a few kids they can't afford.
In theory i should pay less tax as i am less of a burden on the state ! :lipsrsealed:
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In theory i should pay less tax as i am less of a burden on the state ! :lipsrsealed:
Canna getta Amen to that brother... shout it from the roof tops!!! :grin:
Any state benefits should be repaid in full once in employment!! Until then you should live like everyone else with money.. within their means!
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OK so you have managed to do something most people can't, you have royally f**kced me off!
Thanks. I try.
Yeah well shows what a wank3r you are then doesn't it!
When you have worked from the age of 16 supporting your family because your no good lazy ars3hole of a father chooses to claim disability rather than work and work for £3 per hour doing 50/60 hour weeks then get another job where you think your employer is paying your tax and NI contributions like they should, (NOT MY CHOICE NOT TO HAVE IT PAID, IT WAS TAKEN FROM MY PAY!) then you keep lending him money to pay the bills on top of the rent your paying him end up giving him £10,000 in one lump to pay off mortgage arrears so as not to lose the house bringing the total owed to you to £30,000 to £35,000 only to be kicked out of the house a couple of months later with nothing left in the bank, not knowing anyone with no friends because you weren't allowed, then come back and talk to me because you haven't got a f**kcing clue!
While I symapathise with your situation, that was a choice YOU made. Itf was a bad one, but we all make them. This is not about what you have done for others so try not to digress. I was clearly focusing on your excuses for not being able to find work..
Not excuses at all, mearly explinations of why it takes me a while to find work, and your telling me that if your family was going to have the house repossed you wouldn't do anything about it? so not only a wank3r your selfish as well.
I have had sh!t jobs that no one else will do just so I'm working, that's why my tax never got paid because I have always worked for ars3holes!
NO. Your tax never got paid because your employer was paying a proportion of the tax to YOU.
How did it? IT WAS DEDUCTED FROM MY PAY< MY PAY HAVE TAX AND NI CONTRIBUTIONS TAKEN FROM IT, MY WAGE SLIP SAID HOW MUCH TAX WAS BEING TAKEN THE ARS£HOLE NEVER PAID IT TO THE TAX MAN, HE KEPT IT FOR HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How is that my fault? how did I benefit? it wasn't a cash in hand job. I made this point before, how dense are you?
Driving is cheaper than the train/bus that's why!!!
If you weren't so quick to judge and took the time to read properly you would have read that I offer to work for free if I can walk/bike there, this is up to 10 miles as that would be all I can manage.
I don't get a friend to drive me as I only have 2 one leaves for work at 01:00 Monday morning and gets back at about 19:00 Friday night so he can't take me and the other works out the country during the week so he can't do it either.
Buy a scooter.
I don't fancy dying thanks, their death traps without riding on icy country lanes. Also can't afford to but one then the helmet and other clothing, then pay for a cbt, then insurance. I HAVE NO MONEY! What can't you understand about that?
Most my neighbours are retired, a few are out of work, the others have jobs that they have had for years, 1 bloke is the most skilled engineer I have ever met and even he can't get a job.
As stated before, a change of skill set seems to be required. Why would you keep banging on a door when no one will ever open?
That's why I'm now trying for warehouse work, van driving, security, well anything at will do.
last week I worked over 90 hours for £250 so that I'm not sitting on my a$$ I've told the jobcentre and I'll have a week deducted from my benefit, when was the last time you worked for £2.77p per hour?
Every job I've ever had I have always got to work early, not once have I been late or not turned up, I have always been lowest paid and hardest worker in the company, I have never taken a days holiday even when I worked 13 out of 14 days for 3 and a half years and even worked Christmas new year and every other bank holiday for the same pay.
Glad to hear.
You didn't answer my question, when was the last time you worked for £2.77?
It would be nice to have enough money in the bank to not claim for 3 months, unfortunately when I have a job I work for a living and get little pay for it, unlike people who work in an office.
and as I've already said I'm waiting to start a temp job as relief so it's not like I don't want to work, so If you can come up with helpful suggestions instead of being a pr*ck I'd be grateful for the help, if not keep your trap shut about things you know nothing about and bother someone else.
This kind of answers my question as to why you only have 2 friends. As for people in offices.... they dont just get jobs, they work for them.
I have lots of mates, I don't consider them friends though, a friend is someone who will help you out instead of just taking from you, I should imagine you'd be a mate!
Tigerj360 The Astra is gone, the golf is going to replace the bmw and I'll sell the bmw, already ahead of you on that, the Astra was only worth £200
Oh and seeing as I suffered brain damage when I was beaten as a child I don't ever need to work, I could play on that, claim more money and never work again, difference between me and my dad is, as long as I'm able to work I will.
Although I am genuinely sorry to hear about your tough up bringing... I assure you I have some close friends that have endured similar if not worse childhood. They are now... after lots of hard work and some smart moves doing very well for themselves.
Work smarter... not harder. :smiley:.
Agreed there are lots of people who have had it a lot worse, I consider myself to have had an easy upbringing to some, I don't want you or anyone to be sorry to hear about it or sympathise about it, I want to be treated the same as anyone else which is why people I know in person don't know anything about it. I was simply making the point I don't have to work but want to.
One thing I will thank you for is that you have still had a go like this, that you didn't think oh I must treat him differently. you didn't give sympathy, which I find patronising when people do.
And to finish I leave you with a nice inspiring tale...
Aged 7 years old a boy and his family was forced out of their home and he needed to work to support his family.
His mother passed away a few years later. His sister died 10 years later. He then started a business venture which failed.
He ran for the State Legislature. He lost. In the same year, he also lost his job. He decided he wanted to go to law school but couldn't get in. He borrowed money from a friend to start a business. By the end of the year, he was bankrupt.
He ran for the State Legislature again. This time he won. The year was looking better as he was engaged to be married. Unfortunately, his fiancée died and he was grief stricken.
This was the year he had a total nervous breakdown and for 6 months was bedridden. He sought to become Speaker of the State Legislature. He was defeated.
He sought to become Elector. He was defeated.
He ran for Congress. He lost. He ran for Congress again. He finally won and moved to Washington. He ran for re-election to Congress. He lost.
He sought the job of Land Officer in his home state. He didn't get the job. His son, then dies. He ran for the Senate of the United states. He lost.
He sought the Vice Presidential nomination at a national convention. He got less than 100 votes. He ran for the Senate again. He lost again.
Later this man is then elected President of the United States . Later his other son also dies at age 12.
On April 14 1865, This man is assassinated. I will leave you to figure out who this man was.
I have no Idea who this is, I wasn't allowed to go to school, so I know very little, I taught myself maths which I'm brilliant at even if I do say so myself, english which is shockingly bad.
I learnt work with my hands, I can do any type of fencing, studwork walls, roofing, repair cars, have built a private cinema, put another floor on a house, can build most things out of wood, learned how to train racing greyhounds not just look after them, can look after and breed chickens ducks geese turkeys pheasants goats pigs sheep cows horses. can drive tractors properly and diggers, have an sia licence, I run my friends transport company for him doing all paperwork and invoicing and still can't get work easily.
Also a lot of manual work where I am is done by polish, I would happily work like they do but a lot of companies specify must be able to speak/read polish which means that I can't get a job there as I speak the language of my own country and am not an immigrant.
I worked from 03:00 yesterday morning finished at midnight for £35 quid, If you think I like trying to live on £92 per week your wrong.
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I learnt work with my hands, I can do any type of fencing, studwork walls, roofing, repair cars, have built a private cinema, put another floor on a house, can build most things out of wood, learned how to train racing greyhounds not just look after them, can look after and breed chickens ducks geese turkeys pheasants goats pigs sheep cows horses. can drive tractors properly and diggers, have an sia licence, I run my friends transport company for him doing all paperwork and invoicing and still can't get work easily.
Also a lot of manual work where I am is done by polish, I would happily work like they do but a lot of companies specify must be able to speak/read polish which means that I can't get a job there as I speak the language of my own country and am not an immigrant.
I worked from 03:00 yesterday morning finished at midnight for £35 quid, If you think I like trying to live on £92 per week your wrong.
Where do you live ? Sounds bloody awful to be fair ! but i find blaming immigrants to be a tired excuse
I recently employed a hungarian on a temp basis & do you know why? No it was nothing to do with money we paid him the same rate we would anyone else the reason being he was easily the best candidate. The "english" people i interviewed were just unemployable either due to attitude or previous work history.
It turned out to the be the right choice he worked bloody hard learnt very quickly & the best bit never moaned about anything. I find to many people in this country think they deserve a living & are not willing to earn it.
I honestly wonder what the issue is if you have all those skills at your disposal.
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Bobs.. lets not go into every single point here. As you CLEARLY already have all the answers to all your problems. I am wrong... you are right blah blah blah.
And just to answer you point about when did I work for £2.70ph.... well as stated earlier I worked for NOTHING. For you I could translate that to FREE!
You have no money but have a car, and obvioulsy an internet connection. My original post was aimed at giving you a kick start.. maybe trying to look at things from a different angle, rather than the usual old "no one will employ me", "there are no jobs" bull.
... Anyway its no skin off my back. I have money and a job.
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Bobs.. lets not go into every single point here. As you CLEARLY already have all the answers to all your problems. I am wrong... you are right blah blah blah.
And just to answer you point about when did I work for £2.70ph.... well as stated earlier I worked for NOTHING. For you I could translate that to FREE!
You have no money but have a car, and obvioulsy an internet connection. My original post was aimed at giving you a kick start.. maybe trying to look at things from a different angle, rather than the usual old "no one will employ me", "there are no jobs" bull.
... Anyway its no skin off my back. I have money and a job.
I also have worked for free, I am talking about work! A job! You know paid employment!!! And I thought I was brain dammaged, the reason you won't answer is because you never have.
My sis licence was paid for by someone at the jobcentre out of his own pocket, he also put in a word for me at a security company, I got a job, kept chasing it but they never started me, he helped me and still is trying to get me a job because he can see I want to work. My internet is included in my rent. You try emptying you bank account and living on £92 per week. Also work I do get I mostly need a car to get tools to work. And I actually get I bit of work most weeks £30/50 per week, so that's. Money I'm not taking in benefits.
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Still no one has answered my original question.
We cannot have FULL employment, it is IMPOSSIBLE, there will never be enough jobs.
Be stronger, be smarter, hopefully people will keep ahead of everyone else. It's survival of the fittest.
So the question is, what do we do with people out of work?
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Make them work in the communities, cleaning streets, tending to public gardens, woods, nature reserves, etc. Get them out the house, from the tv's, off their asses doing something.
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It's survival of the fittest.
So the question is, what do we do with people out of work?
Make everyone receiving benefits & not working do at least 30 hours volunteer work a week :cool:
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Make them work in the communities, cleaning streets, tending to public gardens, woods, nature reserves, etc. Get them out the house, from the tv's, off their asses doing something.
I agree with this, providing it doesn't just become another excuse for the government to cut public spending :lipsrsealed:
Even if people did a few hours a week, it would get them out the house, which i would say from past experience is a big problem.
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Make everyone receiving benefits & not working do at least 30 hours volunteer work a week :cool:
The problem is, if you ask them to volunteer...they won't.
Too much effort.
So, if you are fit and able, you will be given no benefits...but will be paid for doing community work - a sum, say equal to their 'benefits' plus modest travel costs.
And for those lazy scamming toe-rags on 'Invalidity/disability benefit' where their disablility if being bone idle...you get the square root of f**k all.
Nothing.
Nowt.
You contribute to society and society will provide you with a modest income to keep a roof over your heads and keep you off the poverty line...not the new car, nice house and £26k in hand outs you are used to.
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Make everyone receiving benefits & not working do at least 30 hours volunteer work a week :cool:
The problem is, if you ask them to volunteer...they won't.
Too much effort.
So, if you are fit and able, you will be given no benefits...but will be paid for doing community work - a sum, say equal to their 'benefits' plus modest travel costs.
And for those lazy scamming toe-rags on 'Invalidity/disability benefit' where their disablility if being bone idle...you get the square root of f**k all.
Nothing.
Nowt.
You contribute to society and society will provide you with a modest income to keep a roof over your heads and keep you off the poverty line...not the new car, nice house and £26k in hand outs you are used to.
I agree 100% :cool:
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I learnt work with my hands, I can do any type of fencing, studwork walls, roofing, repair cars, have built a private cinema, put another floor on a house, can build most things out of wood, learned how to train racing greyhounds not just look after them, can look after and breed chickens ducks geese turkeys pheasants goats pigs sheep cows horses. can drive tractors properly and diggers, have an sia licence, I run my friends transport company for him doing all paperwork and invoicing and still can't get work easily.
Also a lot of manual work where I am is done by polish, I would happily work like they do but a lot of companies specify must be able to speak/read polish which means that I can't get a job there as I speak the language of my own country and am not an immigrant.
I worked from 03:00 yesterday morning finished at midnight for £35 quid, If you think I like trying to live on £92 per week your wrong.
Where do you live ? Sounds bloody awful to be fair ! but i find blaming immigrants to be a tired excuse
I recently employed a hungarian on a temp basis & do you know why? No it was nothing to do with money we paid him the same rate we would anyone else the reason being he was easily the best candidate. The "english" people i interviewed were just unemployable either due to attitude or previous work history.
It turned out to the be the right choice he worked bloody hard learnt very quickly & the best bit never moaned about anything. I find to many people in this country think they deserve a living & are not willing to earn it.
I honestly wonder what the issue is if you have all those skills at your disposal.
Not blaming them, fair play to most of them as most do jobs that lazy Brits think is below them, it doesn't matter what the job is, if your out of work and can get a job you should take it.
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Make them work in the communities, cleaning streets, tending to public gardens, woods, nature reserves, etc. Get them out the house, from the tv's, off their asses doing something.
:afro: give people enough to pay the bills and eat, not a set sum for everyone but look at what outgoings they have and let them earn it at say £3 per hour + travel costs for the cheapest form of transport if they need to travel. Even if it's Just going shopping for the elderly or some other menial task.
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Bobs.. lets not go into every single point here. As you CLEARLY already have all the answers to all your problems. I am wrong... you are right blah blah blah.
And just to answer you point about when did I work for £2.70ph.... well as stated earlier I worked for NOTHING. For you I could translate that to FREE!
You have no money but have a car, and obvioulsy an internet connection. My original post was aimed at giving you a kick start.. maybe trying to look at things from a different angle, rather than the usual old "no one will employ me", "there are no jobs" bull.
... Anyway its no skin off my back. I have money and a job.
I also have worked for free, I am talking about work! A job! You know paid employment!!! And I thought I was brain dammaged, the reason you won't answer is because you never have.
My sis licence was paid for by someone at the jobcentre out of his own pocket, he also put in a word for me at a security company, I got a job, kept chasing it but they never started me, he helped me and still is trying to get me a job because he can see I want to work. My internet is included in my rent. You try emptying you bank account and living on £92 per week. Also work I do get I mostly need a car to get tools to work. And I actually get I bit of work most weeks £30/50 per week, so that's. Money I'm not taking in benefits.
Ok bob.. you are right I am wrong. :rolleyes:
I have never worked for £2.77... but i did turn up everyday to a business I started for 9 months and did nothing but lose money despite working 14hrs per day. In fact at one point I was losing £700pw.... but I hung in there worked my arse off, and now finally seeing a very little reward for my efforts.
My point is that when I was losing money I tried to isolate the problem and address it... which is my whole point, and what I am suggesting you should do. Only you continue to miss it. :undecided:
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from the other side of the employment thing.
i think there would be more employment about if it wasen so much bloody crap associated with employing people, i have employed people in the past, i chould now quite easly find enough work to keep a few people busy but i find i'm better chargeing more for what i do and takeing less on.
my experiance of employing people is don't bother. to much hasstel, stuff starts getting broke , more stuff goes missing, they cant be left to get on, do f**king stupid thigs and try to sue you, ect ect ect. in the end i decided that what they earnt me wasent worth it id rather have less hasstel and stress and work a bit longer.
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Bobs.. lets not go into every single point here. As you CLEARLY already have all the answers to all your problems. I am wrong... you are right blah blah blah.
And just to answer you point about when did I work for £2.70ph.... well as stated earlier I worked for NOTHING. For you I could translate that to FREE!
You have no money but have a car, and obvioulsy an internet connection. My original post was aimed at giving you a kick start.. maybe trying to look at things from a different angle, rather than the usual old "no one will employ me", "there are no jobs" bull.
... Anyway its no skin off my back. I have money and a job.
I also have worked for free, I am talking about work! A job! You know paid employment!!! And I thought I was brain dammaged, the reason you won't answer is because you never have.
My sis licence was paid for by someone at the jobcentre out of his own pocket, he also put in a word for me at a security company, I got a job, kept chasing it but they never started me, he helped me and still is trying to get me a job because he can see I want to work. My internet is included in my rent. You try emptying you bank account and living on £92 per week. Also work I do get I mostly need a car to get tools to work. And I actually get I bit of work most weeks £30/50 per week, so that's. Money I'm not taking in benefits.
Ok bob.. you are right I am wrong. :rolleyes:
I have never worked for £2.77... but i did turn up everyday to a business I started for 9 months and did nothing but lose money despite working 14hrs per day. In fact at one point I was losing £700pw.... but I hung in there worked my arse off, and now finally seeing a very little reward for my efforts.
My point is that when I was losing money I tried to isolate the problem and address it... which is my whole point, and what I am suggesting you should do. Only you continue to miss it. :undecided:
It's not about right and wrong, I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm trying to make the point that I will do any job I can get and work hard for little pay just to be in work, I don't complain and I get on with my work and do a good job even when other people would turn the work down, that I'm not one of the lazy cvnts that do nothing and expect to be kept forever more on benefits.
I'm not like the people who live next to where I used to work, there were 5 houses all part of the farm, all had workers in, 1 on disability and his wife off sick for years with depression, both claiming and working and all the others claiming jobseekers and all claiming housing benefit, all working, what makes it worse is they earn £200 per week, get the house rent free, don't even pay for utility's and still claim. :angry:
I have worked today from 09:00 to 23:00 for £35 so I have now earned more this week than I get in benefits so will not get anything from jobseekers for this week, for the sake of earning £16 more than jobseekers I have worked 35 hours, now I could have sat at home and done nothing and would only be £16 worse off, the reason I do it is that it means that I haven't taken a hand out this week, the extra £16 means nothing for the 35 hours, wouldn't even cover my car insurance for 1 week, but knowing I earned the money rather than being given it is important to me.
Anyway I had 19 missed calls while at work today, I called back when I finished work to find out who it was, it was the security company I am waiting to start with, what an intelligent phone call that was. :rolleyes: usual hello's, "I had a load of missed call from you, I didn't know you'd be working this late" "yeah someone in the office 24 hours, I was calling to let you know we are not going to be starting you for the relief work" :cry: :sick: :angry: "oh ok why's that?" "we have just had someone hand in their notice" "ok? I'd have thought you would need relief cover even more now?" "no we need to get his position filled asap" "ok, then can I apply for that?" "oh I'm so sorry, we want you to fill the position, I wasn't very clear there was I?" "no, to be honest you weren't"
We carry on talking and checking my details, having a laugh, she then incorrectly corrects my spelling on my application form of the word, security, which as you can see I can spell, she says it's spelt, secuirty, after her having to check it agrees I was right, we end the call, 2 minutes later she calls back,
"can you do the relief as well?" "you mean just do extra shifts?" "no, be dedicated relief as well, you'd have 2 separate jobs with us" " you mean 2 tax codes and 2 different wage packets?" "yeah" "that's not even possible is it? surely I can only hold one position within the company?" "I don't really know, we've never asked anyone to before" "days or nights?" "nights" "well how can I do that? if I'm working full time on a 4 on 4 off shift, how can I cover if someone doesn't turn up for work/calls in sick if it's a night I'm already working?" "oh you can't can you?" "no, I haven't quite mastered being in 2 places miles apart at the same time yet."
"ok, well what if we change the day relief officer to nights and get you to cover days?" "so if I have to cover a day shift while I'm working my 4 nights on, I'll go to work get there at 19:00 finish at 07:00 have to be at another site that could be 25 miles away instantly, work until 19:00 then get back to the first site instantly and work until 07:00 so I'll have done a 36 hour shift?" "yeah" "well what if I have to cover 2/3 day shifts while working my nights?" "then you'll have to work a 60 or 84 hour shift" "with no sleep? why not just hire a relief officer?" "we will but we only recruit every couple of months and make a day of it for all the jobs we have not just one, so will you do it?" "yeah ok"
So I have my induction day Monday, training the rest of the week, then the following Monday I start full time.
Having heard the conversation I had just had the bloke I was working for said "I'm only having you here and there for so little money while you get the hang of it, I will have you full time on better money when you have got the hang of it" yeah right, more like you could get me to work for peanuts, saw I work hard and don't complain and now I have a job you don't want me to go. so he offers me the same money, £250 per week, to work 6 days on 1 off and do more hours per week, also the security is £250 after tax and NI this bloke would just be £250 cash in hand, "you want me working 60 hours per week full time pay minimum wage and put me on the cards!" "oh no I couldn't pay that much" so I managed to get him to agree to £50 per day and I'll work 2 of my 4 days off, so now I'm over the moon. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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If you give them Nowt you have to remove the kids due to neglect. That will be minimum of £52000 a year for a foster care placement more for residential. :lipsrsealed:
And childcare for nursery used to be free. Not talking about after school clubs but the chance to get people back in work ASAP after child birth. Without penalising them. If we had a cra4p work ethic £150 extra for workin full time ain't exactly an incentive :grin:
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It's not about right and wrong, I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I'm trying to make the point that I will do any job I can get and work hard for little pay just to be in work, I don't complain and I get on with my work and do a good job even when other people would turn the work down, that I'm not one of the lazy cvnts that do nothing and expect to be kept forever more on benefits.
I'm not like the people who live next to where I used to work, there were 5 houses all part of the farm, all had workers in, 1 on disability and his wife off sick for years with depression, both claiming and working and all the others claiming jobseekers and all claiming housing benefit, all working, what makes it worse is they earn £200 per week, get the house rent free, don't even pay for utility's and still claim. :angry:
I have worked today from 09:00 to 23:00 for £35 so I have now earned more this week than I get in benefits so will not get anything from jobseekers for this week, for the sake of earning £16 more than jobseekers I have worked 35 hours, now I could have sat at home and done nothing and would only be £16 worse off, the reason I do it is that it means that I haven't taken a hand out this week, the extra £16 means nothing for the 35 hours, wouldn't even cover my car insurance for 1 week, but knowing I earned the money rather than being given it is important to me.
Anyway I had 19 missed calls while at work today, I called back when I finished work to find out who it was, it was the security company I am waiting to start with, what an intelligent phone call that was. :rolleyes: usual hello's, "I had a load of missed call from you, I didn't know you'd be working this late" "yeah someone in the office 24 hours, I was calling to let you know we are not going to be starting you for the relief work" :cry: :sick: :angry: "oh ok why's that?" "we have just had someone hand in their notice" "ok? I'd have thought you would need relief cover even more now?" "no we need to get his position filled asap" "ok, then can I apply for that?" "oh I'm so sorry, we want you to fill the position, I wasn't very clear there was I?" "no, to be honest you weren't"
We carry on talking and checking my details, having a laugh, she then incorrectly corrects my spelling on my application form of the word, security, which as you can see I can spell, she says it's spelt, secuirty, after her having to check it agrees I was right, we end the call, 2 minutes later she calls back,
"can you do the relief as well?" "you mean just do extra shifts?" "no, be dedicated relief as well, you'd have 2 separate jobs with us" " you mean 2 tax codes and 2 different wage packets?" "yeah" "that's not even possible is it? surely I can only hold one position within the company?" "I don't really know, we've never asked anyone to before" "days or nights?" "nights" "well how can I do that? if I'm working full time on a 4 on 4 off shift, how can I cover if someone doesn't turn up for work/calls in sick if it's a night I'm already working?" "oh you can't can you?" "no, I haven't quite mastered being in 2 places miles apart at the same time yet."
"ok, well what if we change the day relief officer to nights and get you to cover days?" "so if I have to cover a day shift while I'm working my 4 nights on, I'll go to work get there at 19:00 finish at 07:00 have to be at another site that could be 25 miles away instantly, work until 19:00 then get back to the first site instantly and work until 07:00 so I'll have done a 36 hour shift?" "yeah" "well what if I have to cover 2/3 day shifts while working my nights?" "then you'll have to work a 60 or 84 hour shift" "with no sleep? why not just hire a relief officer?" "we will but we only recruit every couple of months and make a day of it for all the jobs we have not just one, so will you do it?" "yeah ok"
So I have my induction day Monday, training the rest of the week, then the following Monday I start full time.
Having heard the conversation I had just had the bloke I was working for said "I'm only having you here and there for so little money while you get the hang of it, I will have you full time on better money when you have got the hang of it" yeah right, more like you could get me to work for peanuts, saw I work hard and don't complain and now I have a job you don't want me to go. so he offers me the same money, £250 per week, to work 6 days on 1 off and do more hours per week, also the security is £250 after tax and NI this bloke would just be £250 cash in hand, "you want me working 60 hours per week full time pay minimum wage and put me on the cards!" "oh no I couldn't pay that much" so I managed to get him to agree to £50 per day and I'll work 2 of my 4 days off, so now I'm over the moon. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Good job... glad for you! :smiley:
Make sure you put as much effort into your jobs as you do your forum posts and you should be just fine :grin: :wink:
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If you give them Nowt you have to remove the kids due to neglect. That will be minimum of £52000 a year for a foster care placement more for residential. :lipsrsealed:
And childcare for nursery used to be free. Not talking about after school clubs but the chance to get people back in work ASAP after child birth. Without penalising them. If we had a cra4p work ethic £150 extra for workin full time ain't exactly an incentive :grin:
Well its like the oldies that go to retirement homes, its cheaper to send them on a cruise then it is to keep the entire system functioning the way it is...... However I think saga have noticed this and it is why they have expanded into cruises :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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From Today's papers:
1. Couple who won £10 Million, still claiming £500 a month in benefits. Perfectly legally.
2. Couples who both claim carers allowance for looking after each other.
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Were dealing with a system that was always going to fail.....and it will continue to fail regardless of wether or not benifit caps are implimented.
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We can all blame Labour for increasing the number and value of benefits when they were in government.
But can you really blame people for remaining on benefits when getting a job means they are financially worse off?
Rather than self respect, betterment, contributing to society, etc...they only think of "is it more money?"
Perhaps its not the benefits system that needs an overhaul, but more so the psyche of the "shameless" generation.
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Oi leave Openshaw out of it :grin:
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We can all blame Labour for increasing the number and value of benefits when they were in government.
Unemployment is generally higher under the Tories, and by quite a bit.
Interesting point that..
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I believe in the welfare state but its fooked.
With massive swell in population the only way to make it work is with higher taxes :sick:and more careful spending.
It does not help with all the other scandalous ways we piss our state funds up the wall, thanks in part to the buy now pay later attitude of the last 15 years, various wars and Public spectacles.
I am all for not spending anything we do not have to, as this is how I am having to live right now.
We need to create more jobs and put people in them, the proposed euro strategy is to limit the working week to 35 hours max effectively making overtime illegal, not sure myself but its an idea :undecided:
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We can all blame Labour for increasing the number and value of benefits when they were in government.
But can you really blame people for remaining on benefits when getting a job means they are financially worse off?
Rather than self respect, betterment, contributing to society, etc...they only think of "is it more money?"
Perhaps its not the benefits system that needs an overhaul, but more so the psyche of the "shameless" generation.
Well said, you're spot on.
I used to work in the job centre as the under 18s advisor.
Some people were out of luck and needed it to get back into work and were grateful and humble.
Some saw it as a career move and a god given right and were arrogant and expectant.
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We can all blame Labour for increasing the number and value of benefits when they were in government.
Unemployment is generally higher under the Tories, and by quite a bit.
Interesting point that..
Not a Tory but, in my lifetime they have always taken over from a failed labour government, 79 winter of discontent, 2010.....
Granted they took us into the 89 crash but managed to pull us round into the right direction with Tony Blair making the most of it.
Labour always up public spending and the civil service, its what they stand for.
Tories cut back spending and promote big business and trade at the expense of the civil service and level of state funding, the ethos is if pays for itself then it can stay.
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We can all blame Labour for increasing the number and value of benefits when they were in government.
Unemployment is generally higher under the Tories, and by quite a bit.
Interesting point that..
Not a Tory but, in my lifetime they have always taken over from a failed labour government, 79 winter of discontent, 2010.....
Granted they took us into the 89 crash but managed to pull us round into the right direction with Tony Blair making the most of it.
Labour always up public spending and the civil service, its what they stand for.
Tories cut back spending and promote big business and trade at the expense of the civil service and level of state funding, the ethos is if pays for itself then it can stay.
By spending money on the civil service they where creating jobs and that what labor was always saying, "splash the cash on this and this project" in turn by starting all these additional projects, the project itself would a: create jobs and b: the project would be complete and benefit for its intended purpose.
Plus say you create one job, one person earns £1000 from that new job created, he goes and spends £20 in a shop, that £20 contributes that shop in paying and maintaining staff, so lets say someone in that shop earn £15 of the £20, they go and spend that etc... what you end up is a cycle of money being circulated in trade that benefits a line of people, keeps trade up and people in work and business. Plus the £20, by creating the trade you are letting that money also be deducted into taxes that the government taxes via means of VAT, NI etc... so technically its helping pay the government more by creating that job.I think going around slashing services and stopping money is completely retarded due to the economical downfall it creates.
Plus civil servant earn rubbish money, where this myth comes from baffles me, they could earn more in the private sector doing similar jobs, instead the only real reward they get is the pension, which makes dealing with all the nonsense somewhat worthwhile at a poor rate. I do agree some of the public sector jobs pay to well, such as the police force, with the salary associated with the risk, the crazy pension and early retirement option... but sadly thats funded by multiple services such as homeoffice and council tax.
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^wish everyone saw it like that. People need to watch the social work programme on BBC protecting our children. That case was mild. Lots of gang culture etc, sexual abuse, exploitation, beatings and real neglect dealt with daily. Yet still paid less than teachers and still never geb the pay rises those funkers got under labour. Yet ultimately it's those in the social work profession expected to hold the fabric of society together.... :lipsrsealed:
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We can all blame Labour for increasing the number and value of benefits when they were in government.
Unemployment is generally higher under the Tories, and by quite a bit.
Interesting point that..
Not a Tory but, in my lifetime they have always taken over from a failed labour government, 79 winter of discontent, 2010.....
Granted they took us into the 89 crash but managed to pull us round into the right direction with Tony Blair making the most of it.
Labour always up public spending and the civil service, its what they stand for.
Tories cut back spending and promote big business and trade at the expense of the civil service and level of state funding, the ethos is if pays for itself then it can stay.
The last tory government was a nightmare. Unemployment was over 3 million, interest rates hit 15%, inflation was high.
Trying to get a job in the early 90's was a nightmare.
We had a good decade of growth under labour, unfortunately what we've seen is boom and bust again, which seems to happen whoever is in government.
It is a fact that when labour left power, we were back into growth, the economy is now shrinking again.
All we are seeing now is attacks on the unemployed and the disabled, the NHS will fall apart.
If you vote conservative, be prepared to have a good job and don't become ill.
It could also be argued that labour clear up the mess conservatives leave behind, 20 years starving the NHS of investment is a perfect example.
The problem is too many people read the right wing press, the mouthpiece of conservatives.
Of course everyone that is unemployed or disabled is a scrounger, and labour are totally responsible for the national debt, which strangely enough is still getting alot bigger.
The reality is, the last government had to pour huge sums into bailing out the banks, at the same time we saw a global recession.
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I realise i'm probably the only labour supporter on here :grin:
BTW i still think Ed Milliband is a thingy :rolleyes:
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It doesn't matter who is in government they all look out for themselves & screw us in everyway possible.
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I realise i'm probably the only labour supporter on here :grin:
BTW i still think Ed Milliband is a thingy :rolleyes:
I don't support any of the parties, after voting for both I feel let down more by labour than the cons.
This is because I expected better from Labour.
I have a lib dem council and although there heart is in the right place they could not be trusted with sharp scissors let alone run the country.
Labour made the state we are in worse by not reeling in the spending when the signs were clear, instead they broke there own fiscal rules to justify a war and gain another term in office.
And don't get me started on the manifesto pledges they broke.....
I don't think Labour can win with Milliband in the chair he is just weak, this just leaves us with Cameron and Clegg not exactly an inspiring pair are they?......
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I don't support any of the parties, after voting for both I feel let down more by labour than the cons.
I actually voted lib dem at the last election, as a tactical vote, not realising that it would be a vote for the tories :sick:
Labour made the state we are in worse by not reeling in the spending when the signs were clear, instead they broke there own fiscal rules to justify a war and gain another term in office.
I agree, the war was totally unjustified, and i lost alot of confidence in them.
And don't get me started on the manifesto pledges they broke.....
All the parties do this, lying bastards :grin:
Do you remember the televised debates? Cameron slated Brown for the proposed NI rise, but within 24 hours of getting into government, he implemented it anyway. But this would only be for employees, not businesses..
I don't think Labour can win with Milliband in the chair he is just weak, this just leaves us with Cameron and Clegg not exactly an inspiring pair are they?......
Agree again, i don't like Ed Milliband, i think he is a ponce. I think Cameron is like a dodgey second hand car salesman, and as for Clegg, well he makes all the others look 100% honest :rolleyes:
The main difference between the two main parties is, under the tories you will have to fend for yourself, this is fine for most, but just hope you don't lose your job, become ill or disabled.
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What? Politics sounds complex, I thought all you did was bullsh!t, people who where/are good at bullsh!ting kept getting promoted and if you become the best bulls!tter then you become the PM?
Are am I wrong and this is not how it works :grin: :grin: :grin: