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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: JonnyG on 02 January 2010, 10:53
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My EVO mag has just dropped through the letterbox this morning.
The Golf R is reviewed in the "Driven" section.
The good news is it get's a pretty good review - 4.5 stars out of 5
A few quotes below :-
"the Golf R feels sharper, angrier and a whole lot faster than the current GTI"
"Whereas the chunky R32 always fell victim to the law of diminishing returns, the Golf R proves that when executed well, more power can equal decisively more performance"
The same goes for the chassis. Experience suggests that switching a Golf from front wheel drive to all wheel drive delivers security at the expense of sparkle, yet the Golf R's 4Motion system seems to achieve the opposite. The steering response is cleaner and the general enthusiasm for corners more energetic than than the beautifully polished but overwhelmingly straight laced GTI"
"All in all then the Golf R is a yet another hugely impressive addition to the hot hatch Premier League........The Golf R has also got terrific pace and tractability, coupled to a memorable effervescent engine and a sport biased chassis that exudes confidence, composure and perhaps most importantly genuine enthusiasm. Golf R - same game, bigger balls."
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Sounds good. My Revo'd GTI has the R's power and I can confirm that it does feel significantly quicker than the standard 210hp engine. I'd like the R's 4WD for the extra traction, but I don't really like the styling very much and, of course, the price is :laugh:
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Thanks for that - I'll have to grab a copy when it appears in the shops.
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Sounds good. My Revo'd GTI has the R's power and I can confirm that it does feel significantly quicker than the standard 210hp engine. I'd like the R's 4WD for the extra traction, but I don't really like the styling very much and, of course, the price is :laugh:
^^^ +1
just gotta squeeze the pedal rather than just flooring it :laugh: :laugh:
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Golf R - same game, bigger balls."
:grin: Cant beleive I have to wait till May to get myn!
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My EVO mag has just dropped through the letterbox this morning.
The Golf R is reviewed in the "Driven" section.
The good news is it get's a pretty good review - 4.5 stars out of 5
A few quotes below :-
"the Golf R feels sharper, angrier and a whole lot faster than the current GTI"
"Whereas the chunky R32 always fell victim to the law of diminishing returns, the Golf R proves that when executed well, more power can equal decisively more performance"
The same goes for the chassis. Experience suggests that switching a Golf from front wheel drive to all wheel drive delivers security at the expense of sparkle, yet the Golf R's 4Motion system seems to achieve the opposite. The steering response is cleaner and the general enthusiasm for corners more energetic than than the beautifully polished but overwhelmingly straight laced GTI"
"All in all then the Golf R is a yet another hugely impressive addition to the hot hatch Premier League........The Golf R has also got terrific pace and tractability, coupled to a memorable effervescent engine and a sport biased chassis that exudes confidence, composure and perhaps most importantly genuine enthusiasm. Golf R - same game, bigger balls."
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Now THIS is worth making a few phonecalls over...
Signs that VW have cracked it...a GTI but with more go and grip, rather than a numbed, understeering chariot.
Interesting...very interesting! :evil:
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It's looking promising :smiley:
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Would love a spin in this car, but f**k paying that price for it. :laugh:
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Sounds promising, shame none of us will ever drive it unless we buy one!
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Sounds promising, shame none of us will ever drive it unless we buy one!
So it looks like it's going to be good...
But at nearly £37,000 (with options) when an Audi S3 in as close a spec as you can get it will cost you £33500...it makes you wonder where the extra £3500 goes in the Golf R!
It had better be bloody good.
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But at nearly £37,000 (with options)
That's just ridiculous. I remember my father paying £1700 for his brand new MkI Golf back in 1975 :huh:
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Sounds promising, shame none of us will ever drive it unless we buy one!
So it looks like it's going to be good...
But at nearly £37,000 (with options) when an Audi S3 in as close a spec as you can get it will cost you £33500...it makes you wonder where the extra £3500 goes in the Golf R!
It had better be bloody good.
When I get myn you will be the first to now if its bloody good!
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lol u must chop and change fast, Uve got a MKVI GTI whilst u wait for your R lol? Fair play to u m8
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It doesn't look like they rave about the DSG
"the bipolarity of the gear box mapping is frustrating"
"in drive mode it's a bit too tardy,"
"So you slip the selector to sport to pep things up a bit, only to find it's a bit too lively"
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It doesn't look like they rave about the DSG
"the bipolarity of the gear box mapping is frustrating"
"in drive mode it's a bit too tardy,"
"So you slip the selector to sport to pep things up a bit, only to find it's a bit too lively"
REVO DSG map will sort that out :cool:
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REVO DSG map will sort that out :cool:
possibly but it's a shame to invalidate your warranty on your new £35+K car....
Obviously the EVO author might not be a fan of DSG in general... So biased review
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The DSG map is the same on the MK6 GTI,
seems like the green people got involved when in Drive mode.
The Mk5 DSG is so much better mapped in the D mode!
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REVO DSG map will sort that out :cool:
possibly but it's a shame to invalidate your warranty on your new £35+K car....
Obviously the EVO author might not be a fan of DSG in general... So biased review
You call it bias, I call it talking sense. DSG is for f**kin taxi driving homo's.
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You call it bias, I call it talking sense. DSG is for f**kin taxi driving homo's.
You called sweetie :wink: Fancy going to the supermarket and afterwards we can play with the hamster and the plastic tube.
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But at nearly £37,000 (with options)
That's just ridiculous. I remember my father paying £1700 for his brand new MkI Golf back in 1975 :huh:
I have no real problem with the £37,000+ cost of a high spec one....
Nor the £30,000 cost of a high spec GTI...
What I'm struggling with is the fact that spec a Golf R and S3 to as close as it's possible to get...and the Golf remains £3500 more expensive.
Same platform, engine, brakes, gearbox, transmission, performance etc (accepted the golf will probably have a better 'chassis')...very similar spec...how on earth do the maths work there?
I'm no Audi fanboy...I don't particularly like the S3...but I'm just bafflerd at the difference in cost over the brand that VAG tell you is the 'more premium' product. I don't get it.
Personally, I'd rather pay for the Golf R...
But that doesn't make the equation balance any easier!
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Im not relying on 1 review, this car is a S3 and the person who reviewed it might like how S3's drive, i don't. So i want more reviews and a drive before i make up my mind because at this moment i just cannot see how much different it is going to drive to a S3. I hope im proven wrong.
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Sounds good so far... but I'd like to see a few more reviews too.
I'll pick up a copy of Revo when I get home and have a read.
I'm currently in Tenerife paying O2 £3 per MB for the privilege of browsing on my phone!!
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Im not relying on 1 review, this car is a S3 and the person who reviewed it might like how S3's drive, i don't. So i want more reviews and a drive before i make up my mind because at this moment i just cannot see how much different it is going to drive to a S3. I hope im proven wrong.
I can easily see how it will drive differently...
The 8L S3 was a slug - but the same platform with better damping and different sized ARBs cured it (Mk4 R32).
So ditch the hard as hell dampers the S3 has, I thought I'd read somewhere about a different steering rack too, and play with ARB sizes...and transform the car from numb, to alive.
It doesn't take much...the 8P S3 lads can transform their cars pretty easily with fairly basic bolt one...but you shouldn't have to. It should be done by the factory...maybe this time VW have done exactly that.
If VW *HAVE* done that...made a 4WD, more powerful, more focussed GTI...I'll be looking to see what Kidneys are fetching nowadays!
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Would love a spin in this car, but f**k paying that price for it. :laugh:
My thoughts exactly! :smiley:
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Would love a spin in this car, but f**k paying that price for it. :laugh:
My thoughts exactly! :smiley:
Does anyone know of a dealer who is getting one as a demo?
I don't...
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Im not relying on 1 review, this car is a S3 and the person who reviewed it might like how S3's drive, i don't. So i want more reviews and a drive before i make up my mind because at this moment i just cannot see how much different it is going to drive to a S3. I hope im proven wrong.
I can easily see how it will drive differently...
The 8L S3 was a slug - but the same platform with better damping and different sized ARBs cured it (Mk4 R32).
So ditch the hard as hell dampers the S3 has, I thought I'd read somewhere about a different steering rack too, and play with ARB sizes...and transform the car from numb, to alive.
It doesn't take much...the 8P S3 lads can transform their cars pretty easily with fairly basic bolt one...but you shouldn't have to. It should be done by the factory...maybe this time VW have done exactly that.
If VW *HAVE* done that...made a 4WD, more powerful, more focussed GTI...I'll be looking to see what Kidneys are fetching nowadays!
Of course its easy to change handling steering etc, im concerned with the low down lag (compared to a gti) and the general boring driving of the S3, plus despite loosing the V6 its still a lardy arse
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Of course its easy to change handling steering etc, im concerned with the low down lag (compared to a gti) and the general boring driving of the S3, plus despite loosing the V6 its still a lardy arse
I think it's safe to say the engine is as S3...and with a K04 vs K03 in the GTI, there will always be more lag - VW can't defy physics!
I don't think it's obtrusive on the S3...you just get used to it.
Sure, the S3 is a bit boring...if the chassis is set up better, it'll rectify most of that.
The rest, a nice man at Revo/Superchips/Custom code etc will make good in around 20 mins....if that's your thing.
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^^^^ the S3 i test drove felt very laggy after jumping out off my ed30 (ko4) and then getting back into my ed30 it felt like a hoot to drive.
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REVO DSG map will sort that out :cool:
possibly but it's a shame to invalidate your warranty on your new £35+K car....
Obviously the EVO author might not be a fan of DSG in general... So biased review
You call it bias, I call it talking sense. DSG is for f**kin taxi driving homo's.
In that case only you should have one then!
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^^^^ the S3 i test drove felt very laggy after jumping out off my ed30 (ko4) and then getting back into my ed30 it felt like a hoot to drive.
Is it lag - as in additional turbo lag?
Or lag, as in the s3 has to 'waste' more driving the drivetrain and then hauling it's 100+KG heavier ass up to speed?
It could be a function of both of the latter...
I remember Ed30s feeling really light and on their toes as they didn't have to lug about as much weight, nor lost as much through the transimssion...it almost felt like they came 'on boost' earlier?
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Would love a spin in this car, but f**k paying that price for it. :laugh:
My thoughts exactly! :smiley:
Does anyone know of a dealer who is getting one as a demo?
I don't...
Dealer can only order Golf R as customer orders! No Demos as the is only 250 Golf R being brought to the UK.
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^^^^ the S3 i test drove felt very laggy after jumping out off my ed30 (ko4) and then getting back into my ed30 it felt like a hoot to drive.
Had your ed30 been re-mapped when you did the S3 test drive?
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Dealer can only order Golf R as customer orders! No Demos as the is only 250 Golf R being brought to the UK.
I thought it was 500 golf R's ?
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Dealer can only order Golf R as customer orders! No Demos as the is only 250 Golf R being brought to the UK.
I thought it was 500 golf R's ?
500 Rs can be orded. 250 Scirroco Rs and 250 Golf Rs
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500 Rs can be orded. 250 Scirroco Rs and 250 Golf Rs
is that a fact? Who told you/ where did you read that?
I'm not doubting you I just haven't read that?
If that's true I'm glad as it will give extra exclusivity/bragging rights
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stealer mate
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You call it bias, I call it talking sense. DSG is for f**kin taxi driving homo's.
Usual comment from a half wit. :tongue:
You can be such a tw&t Kev :lipsrsealed:
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500 Rs can be orded. 250 Scirroco Rs and 250 Golf Rs
My dealer said exactly the same. 500 R's in total for the first year. No word after that though! Hopefully VW will get the setup right and make it more exciting than both the GTI and the S3 to drive. I can't wait to get my hands on mine - even though DSG is for homos :laugh:
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^^^^ the S3 i test drove felt very laggy after jumping out off my ed30 (ko4) and then getting back into my ed30 it felt like a hoot to drive.
Is it lag - as in additional turbo lag?
Or lag, as in the s3 has to 'waste' more driving the drivetrain and then hauling it's 100+KG heavier ass up to speed?
It could be a function of both of the latter...
I remember Ed30s feeling really light and on their toes as they didn't have to lug about as much weight, nor lost as much through the transimssion...it almost felt like they came 'on boost' earlier?
i agree thats exactly how it felt, not to sure if boost came on earlier but i sort of guessed it was a combination of slightly earlier boost and the drivetrain. Thats what i loved about the mk5 R32 it made even a ko3 gti feel laggy even with all that extra weight and drivetrain
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^^^^ the S3 i test drove felt very laggy after jumping out off my ed30 (ko4) and then getting back into my ed30 it felt like a hoot to drive.
Had your ed30 been re-mapped when you did the S3 test drive?
no it was standard
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Dealer can only order Golf R as customer orders! No Demos as the is only 250 Golf R being brought to the UK.
I thought it was 500 golf R's ?
500 Rs can be orded. 250 Scirroco Rs and 250 Golf Rs
They said only 400 mk5 r32s in first year aswell but their was a few for sale. Hopefully they will start turning up on the ECM lorrys in the next 2 weeks for dealers
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Dealer can only order Golf R as customer orders! No Demos as the is only 250 Golf R being brought to the UK.
I thought it was 500 golf R's ?
500 Rs can be orded. 250 Scirroco Rs and 250 Golf Rs
They said only 400 mk5 r32s in first year aswell but their was a few for sale. Hopefully they will start turning up on the ECM lorrys in the next 2 weeks for dealers
How many Mk5 R32 did VW sell in total.
You dont see them so often.
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^^^^ i dont know how many they sold in total but my point was that it was easy to pick up a brand new (this was in boom times aswell) from a few dealers. So maybe, just maybe they may have a few R's come in the country that Vw will sell.
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you can be sure there will be several employees of VW at their headoffice ordering these and after six months jog them on. There are always some hard to find cars available but cost...
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Somebody said that "his dad paid 1,700 quid for a MkI GTI back in 1975. A brand new Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 costs 14-15,00 quid in 1976. Now an equivalent which will be a Carrera 2S costs over 70,000 quid (basic) depending on how the car is specified.
I must say that the optional Recaro seats @ 3,ooo quid which is an option on the "R" just like it was on the R32. This has to be a joke. I don't if it costs the same if you have the same seat fitted aftermarket.
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The Recaro option is by far the biggest rip-off ever. A pair of aftermarket leather/suede Recaro Sportlines will cost you between £2K-£3K, but VW are saving a set of standard seats, which should offset the cost (as it does with the 19" wheel option).
Shame, because Recaros are very good seats.
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The Recaro option is by far the biggest rip-off ever. A pair of aftermarket leather/suede Recaro Sportlines will cost you between £2K-£3K, but VW are saving a set of standard seats, which should offset the cost (as it does with the 19" wheel option).
Shame, because Recaros are very good seats.
Oh come now...on the 5 door versions, you pay your £3485 and not only do you get a pair (oh yes, TWO!) Recaro seats, but VW kindly 'throw' in a part leather interior - with faux leather (vinyl) where you don't sit...heated front warming elements AND rear side Airbags.
I mean, that's a whole list of schizzle right there...not just a pair of seats.
And all for just £3485!
Uber bargain!
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Nice photo from the Evo website:
(http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_700/car_photo_350344_25.jpg)
Notice how much darker (nicer) the blue looks than the Auto Express photos:
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_699/car_photo_349903_25.jpg)
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Thats a good picture (the evo one) :smiley:
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It's the same car, it's amazing how different they look in each photo! :laugh:
I much prefer the black wheels on the rising blue than silver, just my 2p.
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I much prefering the black wheels on the rising blue than silver, just my 2p.
Agreed - the black wheels are for those with a discerning taste and the Proles do not like them. :evil:
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Have i heard it right that there are only going to be 500 made for the UK this year?
If it is then maybe that why thay are so ££££. A bit like te RSTT.
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Have i heard it right that there are only going to be 500 made for the UK this year?
If it is then maybe that why thay are so ££££. A bit like te RSTT.
apparently 250 scirroco R's and 250 golf R's. :nerd:
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The auto express car is lighter as they have balanced the exposure in order to make the snow white as opposed to the under exposure in the evo review where the snow is more grey than white.
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when is the mag out ? lol and have you got a link to the pic on the web would be nice to see :D
thanks
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Right clicking on the picture gives
http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_700/car_photo_350344_25.jpg (http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_700/car_photo_350344_25.jpg)
I'm sure if you have a play around you will find the article.
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Have i heard it right that there are only going to be 500 made for the UK this year?
If it is then maybe that why thay are so ££££. A bit like te RSTT.
apparently 250 scirroco R's and 250 golf R's. :nerd:
take it you have bought the idea :laugh:
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What does the front cover look like? I was in WH Smith in the airport on my way home, but they only seemed to have a 'Greatest Cars of 2009' special issue or something! I'll hopefully get it in my newsagent tomorrow.
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when is the mag out ? lol and have you got a link to the pic on the web would be nice to see :D
thanks
Article not available on web site yet. Golf R in this issue:
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/246958/this_months_evo_issue_140.html (http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/246958/this_months_evo_issue_140.html)
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Ooohh, I'll be heading to the
library WH Smith at lunchtime to check that out! :lipsrsealed:
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Ooohh, I'll be heading to the library WH Smith at lunchtime to check that out! :lipsrsealed:
Picked it up earlier today. Not much more in it than what JonnyG has already said. A few nice photos.
However, I'm itching to get my R NOW! Patience... patience...
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However, I'm itching to get my R NOW! Patience... patience...
As you say... Tick, tock! Tick, tock! Tick, tock!...
Good things come to those that wait :afro:
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Got the magazine on my way home - a nice read to add to my collection of articles and brochure!
The drive sounds very promising... looking forward to some more in-depth stuff soon.
Like above - its getting me quite excited about getting the car. Its likely to be another 3-4 months though :cry:
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Saw a brand new golf r yesterday playing about in the snow at bruntingthorpe, have to say it is a very understated car but very nice at the same time, sounds good too. From the font i think its hard to tell if its a r or not, but as soon as i saw all four wheels spinning i knew it was :grin:
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Saw a brand new golf r yesterday playing about in the snow at bruntingthorpe, have to say it is a very understated car but very nice at the same time, sounds good too. From the font i think its hard to tell if its a r or not, but as soon as i saw all four wheels spinning i knew it was :grin:
The R32 was understated also, when I was on the motorway from a distance I would see in my mirrors that silver grill and would wonder if it was a jetta or R32, if it was an R32 it would blast past and I just wanted one! I was in a nice car the MK5 GTI, but it just didnt feel as special as the R32. Just my opinion!