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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Tailpipe on 06 October 2009, 13:36
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Here it is. looks like VW is accelerating its introduction. If true, that doesn't bode well for everyone who's just bought a Mk 6.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/243025/vw_golf_mkvii_exclusive_pics.html
Anyway, it looks nice: DRLs from Golf R, sleeker Scirocco-inspired lines, it looks more modern yet still very much a Golf.
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Can't see the picture :sad: I'm surprised Auto Express is making do with artists impressions of the Mk VII, though, I thought they would have 'official pictures' of the 2033 MkXIX at the very least.
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i can't see the pic either but if you go to their website you can see it. the front of the car is :sick: i hope the mk 7 doesn't stay like that otherwise it looks like a change of car for me in a couple of years!
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i can't see the pic either but if you go to their website you can see it. the front of the car is :sick: i hope the mk 7 doesn't stay like that otherwise it looks like a change of car for me in a couple of years!
They are so obviously PS'ed pictures of a MkVI GTI (and not 'leaked images', as they claim :grin:), but I agree the front is ghastly with its pedestrian-friendly high bonnet line.
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_672/car_photo_336334_25.jpg)
(http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_672/car_photo_336337_25.jpg)
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The front looks like a f**king Laguna! Not a fan of this at all.
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True, I thought it was a blend Laguna... :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
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Hey, Auto Express, look at this leaked close-up from a "VW spokesman" and/or "reliable source"! That MUST mean that the Mk7 Golf will be getting a V8!
(http://www.performancebritish.com/prodimages/V8Badge.jpg)
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and the back looks like a Stilo!
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thats awful...
why are we on about the mk7 when the mk6 has been out for so little time??
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MK6 is only a facelifft and tweaks, MK7 is all new platform due late 2011.
nick
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Mk7 is horrid. MK6 is nice, MK5 is nicer :rolleyes:
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MK6 is only a facelifft and tweaks
rubbish, its completely different to the mk 5 if you actually take the bother to drive both and compare them.
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Can't see the picture :sad: I'm surprised Auto Express is making do with artists impressions of the Mk VII, though, I thought they would have 'official pictures' of the 2033 MkXIX at the very least.
:laugh: :laugh:
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ahhh.... with ya carry on peeps, lol
still dont like the above!
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MK6 is only a facelifft and tweaks
rubbish, its completely different to the mk 5 if you actually take the bother to drive both and compare them.
Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
All of this is fact but it doesn't mean it's not a good car, it's just that it's only got a 2 - 3 year life cycle as the MK7 is a whole new platform which will be smaller, lighter, more efficient to run and build and turn a better profit for VW.
nick
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MK6 is only a facelifft and tweaks
rubbish, its completely different to the mk 5 if you actually take the bother to drive both and compare them.
Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
All of this is fact but it doesn't mean it's not a good car, it's just that it's only got a 2 - 3 year life cycle as the MK7 is a whole new platform which will be smaller, lighter, more efficient to run and build and turn a better profit for VW.
nick
Same Engine is it ?
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MK6 is only a facelifft and tweaks
rubbish, its completely different to the mk 5 if you actually take the bother to drive both and compare them.
Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
All of this is fact but it doesn't mean it's not a good car, it's just that it's only got a 2 - 3 year life cycle as the MK7 is a whole new platform which will be smaller, lighter, more efficient to run and build and turn a better profit for VW.
nick
Same Engine is it ?
Engines don't come into it. They're often changed mid car cycle and from brand to brand within a group. Infact the R is having a MK5 Engine and many of the MK6 lineup hass engines brought over from the MK5.
You seem very offended that your car is not "all new" and I don't know why. THe MK5 was universally praised as the best Golf since the MKII so an upgraded version is surely a good thing? The MK7 being an all new car has the possibility of being rubbish which the MK6 was almost certainly never goign to be because it's based on a well loved platform.
nick
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I like the rear end, front end is stinking! Plus the car looks too long! :sick:
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Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
living the dream? well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine. oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it? plus it doesn't drive the same. and the interior is different.
the same? hmmmm. :rolleyes:
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Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
living the dream? well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine. oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it? plus it doesn't drive the same. and the interior is different.
the same? hmmmm. :rolleyes:
Jeees you guys are soo picky, some different shaped seats, a few new knobs, some extra soundproofing and some extra bits on the engine do not make an all new car! VW have stated in their press releases and on their website pre launch that it was not "an all new car" but an upgraded and tweaked MK5 to make it better and more efficient to build and run.
Ok let me try and put it in terms you may understand. If you tried to fit the running gear and interior on a MK4 into a MK3 or a MK5 it won't fit, the body shells and platfroms are different. They are different cars. If you want to swap the running gear and interior from a MK6 into a MK5 you can because the body shell is the same, they are essentially the same car.
nick
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MK6 is only a facelifft and tweaks
rubbish, its completely different to the mk 5 if you actually take the bother to drive both and compare them.
Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
All of this is fact but it doesn't mean it's not a good car, it's just that it's only got a 2 - 3 year life cycle as the MK7 is a whole new platform which will be smaller, lighter, more efficient to run and build and turn a better profit for VW.
nick
Same Engine is it ?
Engines don't come into it. They're often changed mid car cycle and from brand to brand within a group. Infact the R is having a MK5 Engine and many of the MK6 lineup hass engines brought over from the MK5.
You seem very offended that your car is not "all new" and I don't know why. THe MK5 was universally praised as the best Golf since the MKII so an upgraded version is surely a good thing? The MK7 being an all new car has the possibility of being rubbish which the MK6 was almost certainly never goign to be because it's based on a well loved platform.
nick
Hold on, you said its the same car underneath, yet I just told you the engine is different (I could go on with many more changes) yet the engine doesnt come into it ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm not offended, I just cant stand people that talk out their arse.
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Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
living the dream? well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine. oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it? plus it doesn't drive the same. and the interior is different.
the same? hmmmm. :rolleyes:
Jeees you guys are soo picky, some different shaped seats, a few new knobs, some extra soundproofing and some extra bits on the engine do not make an all new car! VW have stated in their press releases and on their website pre launch that it was not "an all new car" but an upgraded and tweaked MK5 to make it better and more efficient to build and run.
Ok let me try and put it in terms you may understand. If you tried to fit the running gear and interior on a MK4 into a MK3 or a MK5 it won't fit, the body shells and platfroms are different. They are different cars. If you want to swap the running gear and interior from a MK6 into a MK5 you can because the body shell is the same, they are essentially the same car.
nick
:grin: What a clown
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i couldn't agree more kev!! :grin:
maybe he has a point though - the gear stick and steering wheel is in the same place so maybe it is the same car?! :laugh:
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i see what horney is saying....
does it really matter??
chill out peeps....
i dont really like the fronts of the new vw's, the mk5 was nice and big and powerful looking, but the new ones look like power ranger cars, but thats just me, i drive a mk3 so probably dont have a say, lol
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Horney is talking sense. The Mk VI is fundamentally the same car as the Mk V.
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Horney is talking sense. The Mk VI is fundamentally the same car as the Mk V.
Yep, it's the same platform. I think most people on forums don't actually read 90% of what is written. And they don't understand 70% of what's left. So, the question now is, what percentage do they read and understand? :nerd: :grin:.
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Horney is talking sense. The Mk VI is fundamentally the same car as the Mk V.
Yep, it's the same platform. I think most people on forums don't actually read 90% of what is written. And they don't understand 70% of what's left. So, the question now is, what percentage do they read and understand? :nerd: :grin:.
Lol :grin: To be fair, though, couldn't this be applied to the entire human race?
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Me being the perfect human that I am can see both sides of the coin. Although the underpinings are the same, they are very different to drive :nerd:
Although if im being honest imo its the engine and running gear that makesth theee car, not the plastic bits inside
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The MK6 has always been known as a re-jigged MK5. VW said they'd changed every outer panel, and all of the interior - but essentially its based on the same car. Originally a lot of magazines / websites were calling it a MK5.5 because they'd changed so little.
I think its a shame that they're looking to replace it in 2 years time since its such a nice car to drive and is much nicer looking than the pictures above! It makes me a little anxious about buying a MK6 R knowing that in another 2-3 years there will be a MK7... but then I could be waiting forever if I want a car thats not going to be updated eventually!!
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Horney is talking sense. The Mk VI is fundamentally the same car as the Mk V.
Fundamentally the same ? :laugh: Jesus, so the GTI is the same as the Veyron, fundamentally of course.
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The MK6 has always been known as a re-jigged MK5. VW said they'd changed every outer panel, and all of the interior - but essentially its based on the same car. Originally a lot of magazines / websites were calling it a MK5.5 because they'd changed so little.
I think its a shame that they're looking to replace it in 2 years time since its such a nice car to drive and is much nicer looking than the pictures above! It makes me a little anxious about buying a MK6 R knowing that in another 2-3 years there will be a MK7... but then I could be waiting forever if I want a car thats not going to be updated eventually!!
There's another word, essentially. So essentially as its based on the same car, the GTI is the same as, well, every other car on the planet, essentially its the same, you know, 4 wheels, a steering wheel etc. :rolleyes:
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Fundamentally, it's essentially exactly the same. Except for the differences, of course. :lipsrsealed:
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Unless someone reverse engineers and finds out exactly how much is carried over from the MKV, we'll all be speculating here.
To me, a new nose and revised interior does not make 'a new car'. My interpretation of a 'new car' is from the ground up, new chassis, etc but ETTO. :afro:
I think this is what Nick is trying to diplomatically convey, much to the annoyance of the MKVI'ers.
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To be fair the mk6 is just a mk5 with a face lift and a few tweeks,the mk5 is a great car so don`t really see any problem :undecided:
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To be fair the mk6 is just a mk5 with a face lift and a few tweeks,the mk5 is a great car so don`t really see any problem :undecided:
+1
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The MK6 has always been known as a re-jigged MK5. VW said they'd changed every outer panel, and all of the interior - but essentially its based on the same car.
so they've changed most things but its the same car? this reminds me of trigger from only fools and horses. he has had the same broom for 20 years but has changed the brush 30 times. :grin:
its not the same car, period. those who state it is either don't have one or haven't driven one. i had my mk 5 gti for nearly 3 years and my mk 6 for a shade over 1000 miles now. and its a totally different drive and looks different inside and the outside is different too. i'd rather trust my opinion rather than some bald journo who has had the car for 2 days then writes how its the same car.
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oh, and the definition of "the same" is:
Main Entry: 1same
Pronunciation: \ˈsām\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Old Norse samr; akin to Old High German sama same, Latin simulis like, simul together, at the same time, similis like, sem- one, Greek homos same, hama together, hen-, heis one
Date: 13th century
1 a : resembling in every relevant respect b : conforming in every respect —used with as
2 a : being one without addition, change, or discontinuance : identical b : being the one under discussion or already referred to
3 : corresponding so closely as to be indistinguishable
4 : equal in size, shape, value, or importance —usually used with the or a demonstrative (as that, those) in all senses
so its not really "the same" is it. someone said 90% of people on here don't read what is written. i would say 90% don't understand english.
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Why does it bother you so much ? :undecided:
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You guys crack me up. I mean really you have no understanding of the automotive industry and how it works. I didn't say exactly the same as that would be silly. If you don't believe me fine, next time you're in the dealers ask one of the techs out back, he'll put you straight.
My family has been involved in the motor industry for over 50 years and I do know what I'm talking about, I'm certainly not a balding journo and I certainly am not just lifting my opinion from theirs. I am repeating the official VW information. If you want to disbelieve the company that actually made your car and fool yuourself you're driving a completely different car from a MK5 go ahead, it's no skin off my nose it just makes me laugh you get suckered in by the glossy brochure and sales patter of some spotty sales clerk.
nick
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Why does it bother you so much ? :undecided:
because its moronic to say its the same car!! no reason other than that! and these kind of comments always come from people who don't have one/haven't driven one. its like saying a film is sh1t but not actually watching the film to make up your own opinion and just saying that cause they read it in the paper - its retarded. :wink:
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I don`t think they are saying its exactly the same,but it is very similar,i own a mk6 like you and i can see the are very similar,not the same, theres no getting away from it the mk6 is just a improved version of the mk5.
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You guys crack me up. I mean really you have no understanding of the automotive industry and how it works. I didn't say exactly the same as that would be silly. If you don't believe me fine, next time you're in the dealers ask one of the techs out back, he'll put you straight.
My family has been involved in the motor industry for over 50 years and I do know what I'm talking about, I'm certainly not a balding journo and I certainly am not just lifting my opinion from theirs. I am repeating the official VW information. If you want to disbelieve the company that actually made your car and fool yuourself you're driving a completely different car from a MK5 go ahead, it's no skin off my nose it just makes me laugh you get suckered in by the glossy brochure and sales patter of some spotty sales clerk.
nick
i think you'll find most negative comments said it was the same car - which as you rightly say is silly. and you are repeating opinion because you're repeating the vw information. i'm not disbelieving anyone, my beef is people commenting on something when they haven't actually driven one to find out for themselves!! and i certainly don't get suckered into the glossy brochure - i actually have owned both so i made up my own mind instead of being a sheep. when you have driven both come back to me and we'll have a sensible conversation. until then your opinion is basically what you have read. mind you, i suppose even a fool is entitled to his opinion :laugh:
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Why does it bother you so much ? :undecided:
because its moronic to say its the same car!! no reason other than that! and these kind of comments always come from people who don't have one/haven't driven one. its like saying a film is sh1t but not actually watching the film to make up your own opinion and just saying that cause they read it in the paper - its retarded. :wink:
Pointing out that VW have saved some R&D cash by carrying over some bits from MKV does not mean I/we are saying it's inferior........Like the chassis, some of the transmission, etc. It's simple 'how-to-run-a-car-business' economics.
Jeez, lighten up! :laugh: :kiss:
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Jeez, lighten up. :kiss:
i'm in a great mood, nothing wrong with a healthy debate! :smiley:
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i'm not disbelieving anyone, my beef is people commenting on something when they haven't actually driven one to find out for themselves!!
Owned a MK5 for 2 years, and have a deposit down on a MK6 R - and have test driven the GTI several times and a GTD.
The MK6 is a better version of the MK5! I know you can look down the line and say the MK4 is a better version of the MK3... and how it was based on it etc... but the MK5 and MK6 share the same chassis - hence why everyone is saying its the same car. Yes, every panel has been changed, the interior is different... but at the base of it its the same car which has been improved - rather than a whole new platform.
I don't know why everyone can't just agree that the MK6 is a better version of the MK5 - because technically thats what it is!
Simples :laugh:
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The MkVI is too similar to the MkV, not different enough to upgrade to. If you have never owned a MkV GTI then defo get one but it is not worth upgrading from a MkV to a MkVI IMO. I don't know how VW can justify a 20% increase in price (or thereabouts) over the MkV, considering its cheaper to build.
I like the look of the MkVII though. It does look sleeker and its looks will probably grow on everyone. After all, when the MkV came out everyone was slating that too.
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You guys crack me up. I mean really you have no understanding of the automotive industry and how it works. I didn't say exactly the same as that would be silly. If you don't believe me fine, next time you're in the dealers ask one of the techs out back, he'll put you straight.
My family has been involved in the motor industry for over 50 years and I do know what I'm talking about, I'm certainly not a balding journo and I certainly am not just lifting my opinion from theirs. I am repeating the official VW information. If you want to disbelieve the company that actually made your car and fool yuourself you're driving a completely different car from a MK5 go ahead, it's no skin off my nose it just makes me laugh you get suckered in by the glossy brochure and sales patter of some spotty sales clerk.
nick
i think you'll find most negative comments said it was the same car - which as you rightly say is silly. and you are repeating opinion because you're repeating the vw information. i'm not disbelieving anyone, my beef is people commenting on something when they haven't actually driven one to find out for themselves!! and i certainly don't get suckered into the glossy brochure - i actually have owned both so i made up my own mind instead of being a sheep. when you have driven both come back to me and we'll have a sensible conversation. until then your opinion is basically what you have read. mind you, i suppose even a fool is entitled to his opinion :laugh:
You're really not understanding what I'm saying are you? I never ever said the car is bad, sh!t or rubbish. In fact I have actually said it is better than the MK5 and not dissed it at all. To be honest I think the styling is pretty poor but that's personal taste.
All my comments have been about the physical structure and parts used in the car. These parts and the chasis are not opinion they are hard fact. I don't have an opinion that the shell is the same with a re designed profile, it is a fact that this is the case. I don't need to drive a car to know or not if the same parts have been used to manufacture it much as I don't need to eat a tin of Heinz beans and a tin of Hp Beans to know that both contain beans and tomato sauce!
I won't ever argue that the MK6 is a more refined and quieter car, it is. I will actually argue that I think it's a bit soft a fluffy compared to the MK5 but then I like my cars a bit hard with plenty of feedback. I like how you assume (I guess from the fact I own a MKII Golf) that I haven't driven a MK5 or 6. Your crystal ball seems to be broken as I have in fact driven both although not back to back on the same day.
Here are some example of othe rfacelifts for you to consider.
MKI Fiesta:
(http://www.pixelbase.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/fiesta-mk1.jpg)
MKII Fiesta:
(http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/new/596163.jpg)
Same body but with skin deep changes, new lights, bumpers and interior. Although listed as different MK's pretty much everything is directly interchangable between the two and are to all intents and purpose the same car.
MK2 Polo:
(http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/classics/V/volkswagen/03-large/vw-polo-mk2.jpg)
MK3 Polo:
(http://www.ssbrakepistons.com/images/Polo-G40-1.jpg)
Same body, same running gear, updated lights, bumpers and interior. As with the fiesta 90%+ of the parts are directly swappable between the two.
In both the above cases the early car was taken and improved on to last a few more years and be better than the earlier model. These and the MK6 golf are just many examples of where the car companies update their products to keep pace with the market without having to splash out massed on R&D on a complete new car. Both the Fiesta and the Polo were considered greatly improved at the time as the MK6 is considered an improvement over the MK5. But at the end of the day it's an improved car not an all new car.
I myself drive a Corrado. Considered by many at the time (and some extent even now) to be one of the best handling cars FWD cars of all time. It is however a parts bin special, the engine in mine is from a passat, the front suspension is from a MKII Golf, the rear from a passat estate. It then has a body designed and built by Karmann. Doesn't sound that great written like that but the sum is greater than it's parts and the same can be said of the MK6. While it is mostly MK5 with a sprinkle of new bits and a redesigned skin the complete package is more than what the parts list suggest and that's a good thing and nothing to be ashamed or upset about.
nick
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Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
living the dream? well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine. oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it? plus it doesn't drive the same. and the interior is different.
the same? hmmmm. :rolleyes:
Jeees you guys are soo picky, some different shaped seats, a few new knobs, some extra soundproofing and some extra bits on the engine do not make an all new car! VW have stated in their press releases and on their website pre launch that it was not "an all new car" but an upgraded and tweaked MK5 to make it better and more efficient to build and run.
Ok let me try and put it in terms you may understand. If you tried to fit the running gear and interior on a MK4 into a MK3 or a MK5 it won't fit, the body shells and platfroms are different. They are different cars. If you want to swap the running gear and interior from a MK6 into a MK5 you can because the body shell is the same, they are essentially the same car.
nick
:grin: What a clown
Thanks, I do kids parties and corporate functions. Let me know when your clowning skills aren't available and I'll happily fill in for you :wink:
nick
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Ha ha you keep living the dream. It's the same car underneath with a few tweaks to upgrade the interior and reduce production costs and give it the new VW corporate nose. This was well publicised in the press and is the official line from VW.
living the dream? well i've have a mk 6 and i had a mk 5 gti so i can actually make my own mind up rather than reading what a fat sweaty journo tells me in some magazine. oh and the engine is different so its not really the same car is it? plus it doesn't drive the same. and the interior is different.
the same? hmmmm. :rolleyes:
Jeees you guys are soo picky, some different shaped seats, a few new knobs, some extra soundproofing and some extra bits on the engine do not make an all new car! VW have stated in their press releases and on their website pre launch that it was not "an all new car" but an upgraded and tweaked MK5 to make it better and more efficient to build and run.
Ok let me try and put it in terms you may understand. If you tried to fit the running gear and interior on a MK4 into a MK3 or a MK5 it won't fit, the body shells and platfroms are different. They are different cars. If you want to swap the running gear and interior from a MK6 into a MK5 you can because the body shell is the same, they are essentially the same car.
nick
:grin: What a clown
Thanks, I do kids parties and corporate functions. Let me know when your clowning skills aren't available and I'll happily fill in for you :wink:
nick
My clowning skills are never available, and I'd just be a wannabe anyway, you do a great proper version. :wink:
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
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The Mk5 and Mk6 share the same platform therefore it cannot be called a "new" model. It is just an updated Mk5.
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
I wouldn't normally but being as I work for an outreach charity I feel obliged to help those let out into the community on day release.
nick
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
I wouldn't normally but being as I work for an outreach charity I feel obliged to help those let out into the community on day release.
nick
just one tip nick, youre supposed to help these people in that charity, not act like them.
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
I wouldn't normally but being as I work for an outreach charity I feel obliged to help those let out into the community on day release.
nick
just one tip nick, youre supposed to help these people in that charity, not act like them.
Wow awesome come back, I grade your put down skills at a C-, must try harder.
Nick
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
I wouldn't normally but being as I work for an outreach charity I feel obliged to help those let out into the community on day release.
nick
do you really or is it more that you have been let out for the day? i heard the sunshine coach was doing the rounds :laugh:
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
:grin: the number one tool on these forums chips in as usual. go back under the rock you crawled from shrocco. :grin:
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
:grin: the number one tool on these forums chips in as usual. go back under the rock you crawled from shrocco. :grin:
Would that be his old beeeema??
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
:grin: the number one tool on these forums chips in as usual. go back under the rock you crawled from shrocco. :grin:
Would that be his old beeeema??
he'd be mad to crawl under that piece of sh1t, its probably so full of holes and rust it won't provide much cover. i always imagine schrocco driving along like fred flintstone with his feet through the floor of his car :grin:
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fair and very patient reasoning
don't waste your time on tubes like vwkev and matchboy - it's like talking to a wall.
I wouldn't normally but being as I work for an outreach charity I feel obliged to help those let out into the community on day release.
nick
do you really or is it more that you have been let out for the day? i heard the sunshine coach was doing the rounds :laugh:
Damn my secrets out, I am infact a mental health patient who has escaped the bus and snuck in an internet cafe just to post on here and wind you up.
I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
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lol at this thread
A few holes in matchboys main argument:
It has a different interior and engine so its a new car.....what does that make the ED30 or pirelli?
The mk6 is a facelift. The mk6 guys should spend some time on some other MK5 GTI forums, its commonly referred to as the mk5.5.
I think matchboy and kev will be defending it well after the brand new MK7 has been out.
To the OP
Anyway, it looks nice: DRLs from Golf R, sleeker Scirocco-inspired lines, it looks more modern yet still very much a Golf.
DRL's are a legal requirement soon, they will be on all cars; from kia's to ferrari's.
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DRL's are a legal requirement soon, they will be on all cars; from kia's to ferrari's.
This is true. Brussel's have passed this law. 2010 or 2011, I think.
Remember, Belguim is a country where it's more or less mandatory to always have your lights on.
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lol at this thread
A few holes in matchboys main argument:
It has a different interior and engine so its a new car.....what does that make the ED30 or pirelli?
I was under the impression the ED30/Pirelli only had a bigger turbo :huh:
p.s. What does that make the R32??? :laugh:
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Interior is different and engine has a few different components. I was merely nitpicking, the R32 is a different car though isnt it? Haldex and a completely different engine?
Therefore i drive a mk5.5 as well, so everyone who gets pissed with me being in here can jog on :grin:
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
Well it is the same car underneath but it's not the same car all over, I have been consistant throughout my discussion with you. You on the other hand spout nonsense and ridicule but are unable to deliver any kind of reasoned arguement or fact to back up your side of the discussion. I suspect a career as a labour politition would be a good move for you, Gordon Brown would love your skills.
nick
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Like its predecessor, the Mk6 Golf is based on the Volkswagen Group A5 (PQ35) platform. Because the car's architecture and suspension is identical to its predecessor, including the door frames, side glasshouse, roof and wheelbase, there have been questions as to whether the Mk6 is an all-new car, or just a facelift of the Mk5.
The old Mk5 GTI might have had its thunder stolen by the Focus RS, Megane R26R and perhaps even the Civic Type R, but it was still the best all-round hot hatch you could buy when it recently went off sale. And that – combined with the fact that the new Mk6 is essentially a very thoroughly facelifted Mk5 – goes a long way to explaining why the Mk6 feels so familiar. Volkswagen simply doesn’t want to mess with such a successful recipe.
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
Well it is the same car underneath but it's not the same car all over, I have been consistant throughout my discussion with you. You on the other hand spout nonsense and ridicule but are unable to deliver any kind of reasoned arguement or fact to back up your side of the discussion. I suspect a career as a labour politition would be a good move for you, Gordon Brown would love your skills.
nick
Its the same car underneath, but not the same car all over ? What the f**k does that mean ? :laugh:
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
Well it is the same car underneath but it's not the same car all over, I have been consistant throughout my discussion with you. You on the other hand spout nonsense and ridicule but are unable to deliver any kind of reasoned arguement or fact to back up your side of the discussion. I suspect a career as a labour politition would be a good move for you, Gordon Brown would love your skills.
nick
Its the same car underneath, but not the same car all over ? What the f**k does that mean ? :laugh:
It means a facelifted car you dumb f**k! I really don't know how I can get this through the plainly mile thick skull that sits on your shoulders.
VW took the MK5 they changed the design of the outer panels, put in a an updated interior and revised parts of the engine. it is more than 50% MK5 and is not an new car. Thereof underneath it's new frilly skirt it's still the same old car.
Imagine a girl, lets call her Karen, she's 5'10", 32C, blonde and amazing in the sack. her rich botfriend pays for to have plastic surgery and a make over. She's now 5'10", 36DD, brunette and still amazing in the sack. She's not a new person though is she? She's still the same old Karen underneath, just tighter, bigger and a bit mor efun in the sack with her improved hooters.
nick
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
Well it is the same car underneath but it's not the same car all over, I have been consistant throughout my discussion with you. You on the other hand spout nonsense and ridicule but are unable to deliver any kind of reasoned arguement or fact to back up your side of the discussion. I suspect a career as a labour politition would be a good move for you, Gordon Brown would love your skills.
nick
Its the same car underneath, but not the same car all over ? What the f**k does that mean ? :laugh:
It means a facelifted car you dumb f**k! I really don't know how I can get this through the plainly mile thick skull that sits on your shoulders.
VW took the MK5 they changed the design of the outer panels, put in a an updated interior and revised parts of the engine. it is more than 50% MK5 and is not an new car. Thereof underneath it's new frilly skirt it's still the same old car.
Imagine a girl, lets call her Karen, she's 5'10", 32C, blonde and amazing in the sack. her rich botfriend pays for to have plastic surgery and a make over. She's now 5'10", 36DD, brunette and still amazing in the sack. She's not a new person though is she? She's still the same old Karen underneath, just tighter, bigger and a bit mor efun in the sack with her improved hooters.
nick
You actually believe thats all they have done ? :laugh: Please say yes.
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Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car
Nick
isn't what i've been saying all along?! you have disappeared up your own arse sir!! :grin:
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lol at this thread
I think matchboy and kev will be defending it well after the brand new MK7 has been out.
To the OP
no i won't cause when the mk 7 comes out it will be a different car :rolleyes:
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You wont get a quick reply matchboy, he's away googling my last question on what changes have been made for the mk6. He thinks its just the Engine, body and interior. :laugh:
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
Well it is the same car underneath but it's not the same car all over, I have been consistant throughout my discussion with you. You on the other hand spout nonsense and ridicule but are unable to deliver any kind of reasoned arguement or fact to back up your side of the discussion. I suspect a career as a labour politition would be a good move for you, Gordon Brown would love your skills.
nick
Its the same car underneath, but not the same car all over ? What the f**k does that mean ? :laugh:
It means a facelifted car you dumb f**k! I really don't know how I can get this through the plainly mile thick skull that sits on your shoulders.
VW took the MK5 they changed the design of the outer panels, put in a an updated interior and revised parts of the engine. it is more than 50% MK5 and is not an new car. Thereof underneath it's new frilly skirt it's still the same old car.
Imagine a girl, lets call her Karen, she's 5'10", 32C, blonde and amazing in the sack. her rich botfriend pays for to have plastic surgery and a make over. She's now 5'10", 36DD, brunette and still amazing in the sack. She's not a new person though is she? She's still the same old Karen underneath, just tighter, bigger and a bit mor efun in the sack with her improved hooters.
nick
You actually believe thats all they have done ? :laugh: Please say yes.
I will say yes. It's what I believe because it is documented fact and is what VW told the press when it was launched. Even your fellow MK6 owners (other than matchboy) agree with this. They are facts, they are not conjecture, myth, rumour or hearsay.
If you would like to know why they did it, it's simple economics. The MK5 was expensive to build and was starting to lose ground to the comeptition. They wanted to bring the MK6 forward but were unable to do so quickly enough. Therefore they revised the MK5 and launched it as the MK6 to keep them in the game until the proper mk6 (now the MK7) is ready for launch late 2011.
Nick
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I see though that now you understand the facts you are no longer willing to dispute that the MK6 is not an all new car though so it's not all bad.
Nick
nope, i don't agree with you at all - it's just i'm busy at work right now ( :grin:) so i haven't got time to reply properly!! i see what you're saying but they are not the same car and that's that!
Good lord we actually agree as indeed it is not the same car, it is an upgraded version of the older car.
Nick
Quote by you "It's the same car underneath" for f**k sake, if your not going to agree at least be consistant with the bull that you spout.
Well it is the same car underneath but it's not the same car all over, I have been consistant throughout my discussion with you. You on the other hand spout nonsense and ridicule but are unable to deliver any kind of reasoned arguement or fact to back up your side of the discussion. I suspect a career as a labour politition would be a good move for you, Gordon Brown would love your skills.
nick
Its the same car underneath, but not the same car all over ? What the f**k does that mean ? :laugh:
It means a facelifted car you dumb f**k! I really don't know how I can get this through the plainly mile thick skull that sits on your shoulders.
VW took the MK5 they changed the design of the outer panels, put in a an updated interior and revised parts of the engine. it is more than 50% MK5 and is not an new car. Thereof underneath it's new frilly skirt it's still the same old car.
Imagine a girl, lets call her Karen, she's 5'10", 32C, blonde and amazing in the sack. her rich botfriend pays for to have plastic surgery and a make over. She's now 5'10", 36DD, brunette and still amazing in the sack. She's not a new person though is she? She's still the same old Karen underneath, just tighter, bigger and a bit mor efun in the sack with her improved hooters.
nick
You actually believe thats all they have done ? :laugh: Please say yes.
I will say yes. It's what I believe because it is documented fact and is what VW told the press when it was launched. Even your fellow MK6 owners (other than matchboy) agree with this. They are facts, they are not conjecture, myth, rumour or hearsay.
If you would like to know why they did it, it's simple economics. The MK5 was expensive to build and was starting to lose ground to the comeptition. They wanted to bring the MK6 forward but were unable to do so quickly enough. Therefore they revised the MK5 and launched it as the MK6 to keep them in the game until the proper mk6 (now the MK7) is ready for launch late 2011.
Nick
Ok ok, I'll drop another change for you since your struggling a bit. XDS.
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I tell what VWkev, you go enjoy your car, after all that's why you bought it. it's not really that important whether you believe it's an all new car or not as long as your happy with your purchase and it makes you smile.
I'm clearly never going to get you to see what I'm trying to explain and I'm not going to waste anymore of life discussing it with you. I'm still at aloss as to why you have taken such offence to it all though as believe or not I'm huge Golf GTI enthusiast and love all Golfs, I certainly have nothing against MK6's or their owners.
nick
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I tell what VWkev, you go enjoy your car, after all that's why you bought it. it's not really that important whether you believe it's an all new car or not as long as your happy with your purchase and it makes you smile.
I'm clearly never going to get you to see what I'm trying to explain and I'm not going to waste anymore of life discussing it with you. I'm still at aloss as to why you have taken such offence to it all though as believe or not I'm huge Golf GTI enthusiast and love all Golfs, I certainly have nothing against MK6's or their owners.
nick
Did you not see the thread where he literally had a fit at people saying the golf gti wasnt a sports car :shocked:
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Did you not see the thread where he literally had a fit at people saying the golf gti wasnt a sports car :shocked:
i think that whole thread needs to be read before you make sweeping statements like that. your comment is totally out of context.
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kevs just a viking king of england - fact :wink:
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I read it all, i was waiting for him to hunt us all down and take us out for saying it wasnt a sports car!
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Did you not see the thread where he literally had a fit at people saying the golf gti wasnt a sports car :shocked:
Lol; inflammatory but funny :grin: I think some more Kev-taunting is in order :smiley:
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I tell what VWkev, you go enjoy your car, after all that's why you bought it. it's not really that important whether you believe it's an all new car or not as long as your happy with your purchase and it makes you smile.
I'm clearly never going to get you to see what I'm trying to explain and I'm not going to waste anymore of life discussing it with you. I'm still at aloss as to why you have taken such offence to it all though as believe or not I'm huge Golf GTI enthusiast and love all Golfs, I certainly have nothing against MK6's or their owners.
nick
I havent taken offence at all, I thought you were a twit before this and still think you are now so nothing has changed.
You are saying that the body has changed, a few tweaks to the engine and a different interior. That doesnt mean its a new car. Since I threw in another addition like XDS its altered the crap you believe in your mind and your resorting to saying I dont understand. Its a clever way out. Well done. But we both know, you know f**k all about the mk6 and the changes.
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XDS is some software update to the TC it's not a big change and they haven't change the body, they just re skinned it. I'm not backing down and I'm not looking for a way out.
I know all about the changes, I went to the launch of the MK6 at my local dealers which i was invited to due being a good customer of theirs.
nick
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nicks a twit :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: its like being back in the playground :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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nicks a twit :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: its like being back in the playground :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Bloody swear detector changed it from tw@t to Twit :sad:
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nicks a twit :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: its like being back in the playground :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Aww I love you too bud. :grin:
nick
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XDS is some software update to the TC it's not a big change and they haven't change the body, they just re skinned it. I'm not backing down and I'm not looking for a way out.
I know all about the changes, I went to the launch of the MK6 at my local dealers which i was invited to due being a good customer of theirs.
nick
Regardless of what it is, its another change, how many f**kin changes do you need to hear before you accept its a different car.
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nicks a twit :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: its like being back in the playground :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Aww I love you too bud. :grin:
nick
is that the old mk6 chuff , or the new, revamps ( albeit slighty ) mk7 chuff you love :grin: :kiss:[
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XDS is some software update to the TC it's not a big change and they haven't change the body, they just re skinned it. I'm not backing down and I'm not looking for a way out.
I know all about the changes, I went to the launch of the MK6 at my local dealers which i was invited to due being a good customer of theirs.
nick
Regardless of what it is, its another change, how many f**kin changes do you need to hear before you accept its a different car.
Uuurgghhhh I give up I really do. The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5. THe arguement is whether it is a completely new car which it is not, it's an updated MK5. Listing minor software updates, revised seats and some new trim and panels won't change that fact.
nick
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nicks a twit :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: its like being back in the playground :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Aww I love you too bud. :grin:
nick
is that the old mk6 chuff , or the new, revamps ( albeit slighty ) mk7 chuff you love :grin: :kiss:[
I love all version of you mate, just like I love all versions of Golfs.
nick
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XDS is some software update to the TC it's not a big change and they haven't change the body, they just re skinned it. I'm not backing down and I'm not looking for a way out.
I know all about the changes, I went to the launch of the MK6 at my local dealers which i was invited to due being a good customer of theirs.
nick
Regardless of what it is, its another change, how many f**kin changes do you need to hear before you accept its a different car.
Uuurgghhhh I give up I really do. The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5. THe arguement is whether it is a completely new car which it is not, it's an updated MK5. Listing minor software updates, revised seats and some new trim and panels won't change that fact.
nick
f**k me gently, honestly.
What is a new car to you ?
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The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5.
nick
glad you finally agree, its not the same car. :grin:
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The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5.
nick
glad you finally agree, its not the same car. :grin:
yes I agree is not exactly the same car, in the same way that the edition 30 or R32 isn't exactly the same as a MK5 run of the mill GTI. What I don't agree on is that the MK6 is a completely new car, because VW have said it's not a completely new ar but that is a revised and improved MK5. We're now just going round in circles and you two are resorting to name calling and stupid comments as you have no other arguement.
f**k me gently, honestly.
What is a new car to you ?
One which has been deisgned from the ground up as complete replacement for the outgoing car. The MKII over the MKI, THE MKII over the MKII (alhough they do share some suspension components), The MKIV over the MKIII, The MKV over the MKIV.
All these were completely new cars with less than 10% of anything from the old model carried across, they were all quantum leaps from each other and not just a reskin, some software tweaks and a new interior.
nick
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The arguement is not whether it is a different car. It's clearly not exactly the same the same as a MK5.
nick
glad you finally agree, its not the same car. :grin:
yes I agree is not exactly the same car, in the same way that the edition 30 or R32 isn't exactly the same as a MK5 run of the mill GTI. What I don't agree on is that the MK6 is a completely new car, because VW have said it's not a completely new ar but that is a revised and improved MK5. We're now just going round in circles and you two are resorting to name calling and stupid comments as you have no other arguement.
f**k me gently, honestly.
What is a new car to you ?
One which has been deisgned from the ground up as complete replacement for the outgoing car. The MKII over the MKI, THE MKII over the MKII (alhough they do share some suspension components), The MKIV over the MKIII, The MKV over the MKIV.
All these were completely new cars with less than 10% of anything from the old model carried across, they were all quantum leaps from each other and not just a reskin, some software tweaks and a new interior.
nick
Tell me what constitues a new car. As in the parts that would need to be chenaged, as in new engine, new shape etc. Tell me exactly what the mk6 would need to be to be a new car from the mk5 in your own words.
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Not based on the mk5 chassis would be a huge step forward :laugh:
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We're now just going round in circles and you two are resorting to name calling and stupid comments as you have no other arguement.
nick
i've not called you any names whatsoever. i just said i'm glad you finally agree its not the same car. :smiley:
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And I'm just trying to find what f**kin door I should be going through.
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Tell me what constitues a new car. As in the parts that would need to be chenaged, as in new engine, new shape etc. Tell me exactly what the mk6 would need to be to be a new car from the mk5 in your own words.
Easy 90% of the parts being newly designed and built and not just the old parts in a new dress.
I's mostly down to the shell. For an all new car you throw away the old design, you start from scratch and you build it all up with new and improved parts.
New engines are moot point as they are revised in different cycles to the cars themselves as they're easier and cheaper to change in shorter cycles to meet legislation and economy improvements than changing the whole car. Certainly VW never gave the Edition 30 the status of "all new Golf" yet that had a new interior, new engine, new bumpers etc.
Mid life cycle face lifts and running gear improvement shave been around as long as the car insustry has existed. Sometime the makers denote them as a new MK and other times they don't. THe fact remains the MK6 is just an interim improvement to an already existing car before the launch of the all new MK7. Ford did it with the modeo, the fiesta (which went through 2 facelifts!). Rover did it with the metro (body shape changed in the early 90's and got K instead of A series engines and a new interior but the shell was still the same as was most of the runing gear). BMC did it with the mini for 45 years but the last 2001 minis were in effect little different to those built in 69 and yet the MK number had gone from I to VII. The first all new mini was the one sold by BMW.
nick
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
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If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
Oh that is perfect! I wish I'd though of that comparison, much better than my girl with plastic surgury, ha ha.
nick
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
No but both Homosapiens. FAIL!
nick
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Nope but both based on the same platform.
Kev is the mk6 a new shell or did VW use the Mk5's?
If you answer mk5's then you are agreeing the mk6 is not an entirely new model
end of.
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
No but both Homosapiens. FAIL!
nick
I give up Nick, you win. You are wayyyyy too good at talking sh!t.
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
No but both Homosapiens. FAIL!
nick
I give up Nick, you win. You are wayyyyy too good at talking sh!t.
Why thank you. You have been a worthy if somewhat ill informed opponent. I look forward to our next clash.
nick
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
Wrong. The ED30 engine is completely different to the MK6 GTI engine (but is planned for the Golf R with some tweaks).
I am talking about the GTI, the very latest ones made in the last year of production, and only the last couple of hundred to roll off the production line at that, have the same engine as the MK6 GTI. The point being that the engine doesn't make the car.
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
No but both Homosapiens. FAIL!
nick
I give up Nick, you win. You are wayyyyy too good at talking sh!t.
Why thank you. You have been a worthy if somewhat ill informed opponent. I look forward to our next clash.
nick
No probs, one request though, when your going back to the mk2 section, could you take Julie with you ?
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
Wrong. The ED30 engine is completely different to the MK6 GTI engine (but is planned for the Golf R with some tweaks).
I am talking about the GTI, the very latest ones made in the last year of production, and only the last couple of hundred to roll off the production line at that, have the same engine as the MK6 GTI. The point being that the engine doesn't make the car.
Ahh so the latest mk5's have the new EA888 engine ? With 210 hp and 280 torque ? Cool, you learn something new every day.
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
Wrong. The ED30 engine is completely different to the MK6 GTI engine (but is planned for the Golf R with some tweaks).
I am talking about the GTI, the very latest ones made in the last year of production, and only the last couple of hundred to roll off the production line at that, have the same engine as the MK6 GTI. The point being that the engine doesn't make the car.
Ahh so the latest mk5's have the new EA888 engine ? With 210 hp and 280 torque ? Cool, you learn something new every day.
Finally you admit it! the latest Mk5's have the EA888 engine kev yes, along with other tweeks and body parts making it the MK6 :rolleyes:
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Why thank you. You have been a worthy if somewhat ill informed opponent. I look forward to our next clash.
not again - i'm worn out after this one.
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Epic.
If you paint the front of your house, maybe put an extension on it and rejig the kitchen, maybe move some internal walls ... its still the same house?
I don't understand whats so hard to comprehend about the fact that the mk5 and mk6 share a lot of parts, the same platform which is what defines to a great extent the dimensions of the car and its handling.
No one is saying they are identical. The Mk6 is a revised and for the most part impoved evolution of the mk5. But strip back the body skin and the plastics of the interior and you have, essentially, the same car.
Most of the engines in the Mk6 line up are identical to those in the mk5 line up. In fact the very very latest mk5 GTI's have the same engine as the mk6 GTI as it was released in the Mk5's lifetime. Mechanically I would say the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC but thats a bolt on component that if someone had the inclination to do it could be retrofitted to the Mk5 (same platform (PQ35) after all....). Bit of a bugger with the necessary control systems etc but most likely doable.
Only GTI I know of that has the MK6 engine is the ED30. We should be talking straight mk5 GTi and mk6 GTi differences.
I'll assume most of this.
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
Wrong. The ED30 engine is completely different to the MK6 GTI engine (but is planned for the Golf R with some tweaks).
I am talking about the GTI, the very latest ones made in the last year of production, and only the last couple of hundred to roll off the production line at that, have the same engine as the MK6 GTI. The point being that the engine doesn't make the car.
Ahh so the latest mk5's have the new EA888 engine ? With 210 hp and 280 torque ? Cool, you learn something new every day.
Yes the very last Mk5's to roll off the line had EA888 engines but I'm not sure of their state of tune. Most likely the same as the MK6 but I'm not sure. I am litterally talking about the last lot to be manufactured - there aren't many of these about at all.
The vast majority of the Mk5's had the EA113 lump in some form of another. ED30 engine is still the EA113 family but there were tweaks to that like a bigger turbo and various other bits - essentially the same but different. We could have a 12 page debate on that too :wink:
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the biggest difference is the mag shocks used in models with ACC
Just an aside: they aren't actually the same technology as the Audi magneto-rheological dampers. VW use Tenneco's electro-mechanical adjustable valving, developed by Ohlins Racing.
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No probs, one request though, when your going back to the mk2 section, could you take Julie with you ?
I won't be going back to just the MKII section or infact stop posting in this section as I use all sections of this site and Jules can go where he likes.
You're welocme to use the rest of the site as well, you might be surprised at what you can enjoy.
nick
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And I'm just trying to find what f**kin door I should be going through.
(http://www.guerrilla-auction.com/guerrillaauction/auction_data/radicalwellbeing/listing_image/exit_door1.jpg)
We both have 2 eyes, 10 fingers and toes, 2 arms and legs yet are we the same as girls ? Assuming I'm talking to a bloke here.
you got no thumbs :shocked: you iz specialz :grin:
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I won't be going back to just the MKII section
You're welocme to use the rest of the site as well
nick
why would he want to take 4 steps back?
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I won't be going back to just the MKII section
You're welocme to use the rest of the site as well
nick
why would he want to take 4 steps back?
I didn't mean the other MK sections, but there's a VW related area, a chat nonsense area, a photogrpahy area, a projects area, the classfieds, events etc etc.
Nick
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i stand corrected then :smiley:
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I hope the mk7 isn't going to be 2011, it seems a bit much to change the model after 2/3 years, what about all of the design and machining costs? Not to mention the fact that customers (me included) will soon get fed up if they go to a 3 year cycle.
What about the new Polo, are they changing that as well?
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I hope the mk7 isn't going to be 2011, it seems a bit much to change the model after 2/3 years, what about all of the design and machining costs? Not to mention the fact that customers (me included) will soon get fed up if they go to a 3 year cycle.
What about the new Polo, are they changing that as well?
Very little retooling or R&D done on the MK6 as it's just a facelift of the mk5. They wanted to bring the MK6 forward but were unable to do so they therefore improved and remodelled the mk5 to keep it freah before bringing the Mk6 (now MK7) in on schedule in 2011/12.
It's very common for a car to be facelifted mid cycle to keep it fresh. Ford did it with the MKII Focus not long ago.
Nick
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Ford did it with the MKII Focus not long ago.
Nick
they did but the changes were so minimal unless you actually looked properly you would be hard pushed to spot the differences. the mk5 to mk6 changes however are considerable. :smiley:
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Ford did it with the MKII Focus not long ago.
Nick
they did but the changes were so minimal unless you actually looked properly you would be hard pushed to spot the differences. the mk5 to mk6 changes however are considerable. :smiley:
I agree, you can hardly tell the difference. Also, they didn't change it to a MK3 Focus.
It does seem a bit of a con by VW to do this.
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What a very entertaining read that was. Not suprised to see the same name crop up in talking crap and not believing the facts. Just goes to show you can't teach pork! :grin: :grin: :grin:
They are only cars. If you are happy with it, then enjoy it. So what if it is based on an older model. It doesn't matter! Some guys on here are anal to the extreme.
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Well there was 10mins of my life wasted.
Personal i could not give a damb i have both a mk5 GTI and a MK6 GTI both good cars i could not give a sh1t if there the 'same' or not.
But i am amazed no one said ETKA part numbers update for the mk6 if there the same as the mk5 its the same if there not theres differences.
Or a chassis is the only decider if its a new car or not? other brands in the VW group also use the same chassis?
Anyway who really gives a toss and i don't care about any replies i simply amazed no one said these two im not agreeing or disagreeing with the upset posters ive wasted enough of my life on this thread :lipsrsealed:
On the original topic which we should all get back too, i see VW has gone away from copying the old fiat style (mk6) and gone to copy renault. :sick: Not a fan but then im happy with what i have.
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just read this whole thread. epic. Horney i respect your patience lol.
Dan
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I won't be going back to just the MKII section
You're welocme to use the rest of the site as well
nick
why would he want to take 4 steps back?
I didn't mean the other MK sections, but there's a VW related area, a chat nonsense area, a photogrpahy area, a projects area, the classfieds, events etc etc.
Nick
even a detailing section... oh, sorry, I forgot.. you lot like to talk about that down here don't you... cause cleaning a mk6 is different from cleaning any other type of car?!
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More new renderings courtesy of Autobild in Germany. Clearly very evolutionary. Still understated and with strong visual links to its ancestors. Look at the rear exhaust. LEDs standard on all models. It's slightly bigger with more rear legroom. Expected to debut 2012, although GTI model will not arrive until 2013.
(http://bilder.autobild.de/ir_img/69213560_45959ab87b.jpg)
(http://www.autobild.de/ir_img/69213566_2547cbbc47.jpg)
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I'd buy that. It looks quite smart except for the exhaust pipe - if they're that shape it needs one each side. Much better than Auto Express's amateurs.
Of course, other than the fact it's probably going to be Golf-shaped, it could look nothing like that. I can draw a pretty picture of what I think the next Golf will look like too. Images this early on are just speculation based on what has come before (Scirocco, Mk6, Bluesport). And in this case a grainy image of what could easily be one of many styling exercises under consideration or even just a bit of intentional hype from Volkswagen.
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Much better than Auto Express's amateurs.
Autobild, Autoexpress notice a connection :wink:
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hmmmm lovely design. 2012 is still a long way to go. As I mentioned earlier, I would most likely use my current GTI until the new one (MKVII GTI) comes out. This time round, I will wait a year after it has come out before ordering, hopefully all the newer additions will have been incorporated already.. heh heh heh....
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Much better than Auto Express's amateurs.
Autobild, Autoexpress notice a connection :wink:
Umm... :grin: Yes, they are related. But Auto Express images always seem so much crappier.
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I believe all these images are being generated from a VW gaff. They released a video of something ot other on their german site and in the background of one of the scenes there were guys working on a full size model of the MK7. WHen this was picked up by the press VW pulled the video. I would say therefore that unless VW redisgn the car hugely then it will look very ssimilar to the stuff posted in this thread.
nick
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I believe all these images are being generated from a VW gaff. They released a video of something ot other on their german site and in the background of one of the scenes there were guys working on a full size model of the MK7. WHen this was picked up by the press VW pulled the video. I would say therefore that unless VW redisgn the car hugely then it will look very ssimilar to the stuff posted in this thread.
nick
+1 but I guess only time will tell. Really not feeling it tbh, and I know most people tend to grow on the car, but I really don't think I could with this. The back looks awful and the front, it resembles a Laguna hands down, really not feeling that.
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I think VW inteninally 'leaked' the image to create a bit of buzz. Its worked too..
They aren't THAT daft...
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I think VW inteninally 'leaked' the image to create a bit of buzz. Its worked too..
They aren't THAT daft...
well given they charge £25k for the typical GTI with options i beg to differ!
or are we the daft ones?! :laugh: