Author Topic: Quaife ATB available for DSG...  (Read 4079 times)

Offline illyun

  • I live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,271
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #10 on: 27 November 2007, 23:39 »
..... :shocked: :grin:

But, Hurdy, would you crack open yer DSG before warranty is up?

No,yes,no,yes.no.yes

Oh bugg3r!  after a year or two then yes :evil:

Ditto... it will probably be the last mod I get round to doing although I don;t think I can't wait for the 3 years to be up until I try... I will wait and see what happens to guinea pigs  - sorry I mean respected forum members    :grin: - like Red Robin and see what they report back.  Also there might be developments along this line - i.e. a cheaper way to uprate the DSG box to handle more torque than just 350nm because its 300nm as standard and a remap will only give you 50nm extra as opposed to 110+ nm on a manual. 

....This "respected forum member" isn't necessarily going to do it - I've got plenty of time to decide.

Most of the established good tuners remap to a limit of about 400 Nm / 300 ft lb on the DSG box on the GTI (not Ed30 version).

Now I am really confused... I have read countless threads in other forums that say the DSG is limited to 350nm and this is why Oettinger also limit their remap to 350nm?  I have also read that the DSG software prevents more than 350nm going through the box...  :undecided:
Mk1 GTI Campaign, Mk5 GTI Edition 30, Mk6 GTI (Coming Soon...)

Offline Hurdy

  • Serious forum addict
  • *
  • Posts: 8,466
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #11 on: 27 November 2007, 23:44 »
..... :shocked: :grin:

But, Hurdy, would you crack open yer DSG before warranty is up?

No,yes,no,yes.no.yes

Oh bugg3r!  after a year or two then yes :evil:

Ditto... it will probably be the last mod I get round to doing although I don;t think I can't wait for the 3 years to be up until I try... I will wait and see what happens to guinea pigs  - sorry I mean respected forum members    :grin: - like Red Robin and see what they report back.  Also there might be developments along this line - i.e. a cheaper way to uprate the DSG box to handle more torque than just 350nm because its 300nm as standard and a remap will only give you 50nm extra as opposed to 110+ nm on a manual. 

....This "respected forum member" isn't necessarily going to do it - I've got plenty of time to decide.

Most of the established good tuners remap to a limit of about 400 Nm / 300 ft lb on the DSG box on the GTI (not Ed30 version).

Now I am really confused... I have read countless threads in other forums that say the DSG is limited to 350nm and this is why Oettinger also limit their remap to 350nm?  I have also read that the DSG software prevents more than 350nm going through the box...  :undecided:

DSG does limit the torque to 350nm...but only in first and second.
Seat Leon Cupra Black 290 DSG

Offline illyun

  • I live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,271
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #12 on: 28 November 2007, 02:22 »
..... :shocked: :grin:

But, Hurdy, would you crack open yer DSG before warranty is up?

No,yes,no,yes.no.yes

Oh bugg3r!  after a year or two then yes :evil:

Ditto... it will probably be the last mod I get round to doing although I don;t think I can't wait for the 3 years to be up until I try... I will wait and see what happens to guinea pigs  - sorry I mean respected forum members    :grin: - like Red Robin and see what they report back.  Also there might be developments along this line - i.e. a cheaper way to uprate the DSG box to handle more torque than just 350nm because its 300nm as standard and a remap will only give you 50nm extra as opposed to 110+ nm on a manual. 

....This "respected forum member" isn't necessarily going to do it - I've got plenty of time to decide.

Most of the established good tuners remap to a limit of about 400 Nm / 300 ft lb on the DSG box on the GTI (not Ed30 version).

Now I am really confused... I have read countless threads in other forums that say the DSG is limited to 350nm and this is why Oettinger also limit their remap to 350nm?  I have also read that the DSG software prevents more than 350nm going through the box...  :undecided:

DSG does limit the torque to 350nm...but only in first and second.

Really - that is sensible in a FWD car!  And after that?  :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
« Last Edit: 28 November 2007, 09:56 by illyun »
Mk1 GTI Campaign, Mk5 GTI Edition 30, Mk6 GTI (Coming Soon...)

Offline RedRobin

  • Forum addict
  • *
  • Posts: 4,227
  • BIALI Motorsport - Chief Horn Blower!
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #13 on: 28 November 2007, 07:41 »
....My Revo Stage1 showed close to 300 ft lb (406 Nm) on the rolling road. I've had conversations with Revo and other tuners before I remapped because I was particularly concerned about how DSG would be - I researched this aspect over several months and waited until I was satisfied before remapping. During that 'research' I learnt that VW build-in approx +40% 'headroom' tolerance to their engineering on their official figures. So, if VW say 300, there's actually about 420 in the envelope.

Everytime I've done a mod, I've checked that torque isn't over increased to a level I don't feel comfortable with for longevity. I had the DSG Mechatronics Unit fail but way before I remapped. A remap transforms the GTI. With the same driver in each car I would say that my modded GTI has faster performance than both a stock Ed30 and a stock R32 but it's not all about being faster but having your own car as you prefer it as a ride.

I'm not alone in reporting that the DSG shifts feel smoother since a remap - Except when cold start.

In all the lists of differences I've so far read about Ed30 internals, I haven't come across anything yet suggesting that the DSG box is any different on any of the Mk5's.
« Last Edit: 28 November 2007, 07:42 by RedRobin »
:cool: FACEFOOK: https://www.facebook.com/robin.procter.50?ref=tn_tnmn



Throbbin' Red VeeDub GTI Mk5 - DSG, Custom Milltek TBE, Forge Twintake, KW-V3 + Eibach ARBs, AP Racing BigBrake kit, Quaife ATB diff, Revo2

Offline PabloGTI

  • Not said much yet
  • **
  • Posts: 91
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #14 on: 28 November 2007, 17:04 »
The Ford Focus RS has a Quaife ATB and the Renault rival to the GTI has one too - All reports are glowing!


I thoght that clarckson loved the RS on the track, but hated it i=on real world roads, due mainly to the LSD.


Offline Hurdy

  • Serious forum addict
  • *
  • Posts: 8,466
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #15 on: 28 November 2007, 17:40 »
The Ford Focus RS has a Quaife ATB and the Renault rival to the GTI has one too - All reports are glowing!


I thoght that clarckson loved the RS on the track, but hated it i=on real world roads, due mainly to the LSD.



You are right. He didn't like the agressiveness of the LSD in conjunction with the power delivery of the turbo :sick:

No boost, no boost, no boost, no boost, ohhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiit :shocked:
Seat Leon Cupra Black 290 DSG

Offline RedRobin

  • Forum addict
  • *
  • Posts: 4,227
  • BIALI Motorsport - Chief Horn Blower!
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #16 on: 28 November 2007, 18:08 »
The Ford Focus RS has a Quaife ATB and the Renault rival to the GTI has one too - All reports are glowing!


I thoght that clarckson loved the RS on the track, but hated it i=on real world roads, due mainly to the LSD.

You are right. He didn't like the agressiveness of the LSD in conjunction with the power delivery of the turbo :sick:

No boost, no boost, no boost, no boost, ohhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiit :shocked:

.... :confused: Since when has any LSD been "aggressive"? They usually smooth the drivetrain. Someone I know who has driven the RS says the Quaife ATB is "awesome".

I assume you mean the Ford's turbo delivers undesirably?
:cool: FACEFOOK: https://www.facebook.com/robin.procter.50?ref=tn_tnmn



Throbbin' Red VeeDub GTI Mk5 - DSG, Custom Milltek TBE, Forge Twintake, KW-V3 + Eibach ARBs, AP Racing BigBrake kit, Quaife ATB diff, Revo2

Offline Hurdy

  • Serious forum addict
  • *
  • Posts: 8,466
Re: Quaife ATB available for DSG...
« Reply #17 on: 28 November 2007, 19:20 »
The Ford Focus RS has a Quaife ATB and the Renault rival to the GTI has one too - All reports are glowing!


I thoght that clarckson loved the RS on the track, but hated it i=on real world roads, due mainly to the LSD.

You are right. He didn't like the agressiveness of the LSD in conjunction with the power delivery of the turbo :sick:

No boost, no boost, no boost, no boost, ohhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiit :shocked:

.... :confused: Since when has any LSD been "aggressive"? They usually smooth the drivetrain. Someone I know who has driven the RS says the Quaife ATB is "awesome".

I assume you mean the Ford's turbo delivers undesirably?

Yup, sorry about the confusion :embarassed:
Seat Leon Cupra Black 290 DSG