CSS v GT4

[sjw]

Was tempted https://www.jksc.co.uk/details/used-car-in-stourbridge/volkswagen/golf/2.0/752751/.

I can understand why you were tempted. Do you know how long it was on the market and whether it would have achieved close to asking price?

I don’t think cars can ever really be an “ investment”, unless they become extremely rare and sought after. At best, a buyer can break even on running costs while enjoying ownership.

Looking at this example- a “ new” unused car, made in very limited numbers and with an almost mythical status amongst hot hatch enthusiasts. Bought for around £34k in 2016. The buyer will have had to store it for 6 and a half years. He hasn’t had the enjoyment of driving it, probably not even the enjoyment of looking at it. And his return is about 6 percent per annum.

Why would anyone do that? I’m no financial guru by any means, but I’m fairly sure I could have achieved better returns on many other investments - and with less hassle.

I saw 3 unused 1980s MGBs on Bangers and Cash recently ( a show which I am addicted to)- achieved £11-12k- well below inflation adjusted price new.

I think 50k would be a very reasonable price for an unused CSS.

I can't! It's £53k for a Mk7 Golf!

[Yusee]

Yeah but it’s not any old golf.

An integrale is not just a lancia delta. Imagine paying £97k for an Italian family car designed in the 1980s. That’s what they’re advertised for now.

[EB2019]

I think an Intergrale differences to the normal family Delta, or HF Turbo are vast compared to the Mk7 CS to GTi differences. Its not a Yaris GR level of changes, its not even Renault R26R level is it?

But I do agree about what we think is high now compared to where it will be in 20 years time. At Least OP uses his car!

[Yusee]

I think an Intergrale differences to the normal family Delta, or HF Turbo are vast compared to the Mk7 CS to GTi differences. Its not a Yaris GR level of changes, its not even Renault R26R level.

But I do agree about what we think is high now compared to where it will be in 20 years time. At Least OP uses his car!

I do wonder if its all going to crash at some point, but I've been saying it for years and the prices keep rising, so what do I know

Yes, I agree- it’s not engineered to the same degree from “ baseline “ as the other cars you mention.

On the issue about where prices will go- that’s the main point of my post- it’s been a pretty ordinary investment for the owner despite this being an extraordinary and rare car, at a time of high inflation.

So buy it and enjoy it.

[Ooosh]

I can't! It's £53k for a Mk7 Golf!

Ah - have you factored in that I paid list for my Golf in 2016 and even if I sell it now I would likely get around 28-29000 for it. Thats free motoring as far as I am concerned.

Say it's £22,000 to change - thats the way I was thinking about it. Man maths maybe!

[AGB]

I used to own a 981 GT4 and have a 718 GT4 on order. Spent the afternoon at the Porsche Experience Centre at Silverstone yesterday and then drove my 40,000 mile CSS home.

I can honestly say that the CSS feels just as special as the GT4.

I absolutely agree. The CSS is a 'if you know, you know' car and very little will come close to it on a B-road.

Dealer offered me choice of 718 GT4 or Spyder back in 2019. Delivery would've been April 2020 so whether that would have happened given world events... I debated running the 718 Spyder in parallel to the 981 GT4 as they were sufficiently different but I'd run a Cayman R in parallel to the 981 for about 3 years and I wanted a more practical second car. PEC car didn't convince me so I replaced the R with a CSS that hadn't even done run in miles. I think I would have felt regret if the CSS isn't so special and ironically, it has appreciated whereas the R is not even back near what I paid for it new in 2012. I have on more than one occasion considered getting a delivery mileage CSS for a go round but the premium for that privilege is a bit much.

They must be making a huge number of 718 GT4s though even with C19/chip shortage production issues. What colour have you gone for?

[AGB]

I can't! It's £53k for a Mk7 Golf!

Ah - have you factored in that I paid list for my Golf in 2016 and even if I sell it now I would likely get around 28-29000 for it. Thats free motoring as far as I am concerned.

Say it's £22,000 to change - thats the way I was thinking about it. Man maths maybe!

I think you've picked up the calculator that I use. 

At least the CSS is a limited edition car so there isn't this artificial inflation based on the ambiguity of 'low production numbers'.

[sjw]

I used to own a 981 GT4 and have a 718 GT4 on order. Spent the afternoon at the Porsche Experience Centre at Silverstone yesterday and then drove my 40,000 mile CSS home.

I can honestly say that the CSS feels just as special as the GT4.

I absolutely agree. The CSS is a 'if you know, you know' car and very little will come close to it on a B-road.

Dealer offered me choice of 718 GT4 or Spyder back in 2019. Delivery would've been April 2020 so whether that would have happened given world events... I debated running the 718 Spyder in parallel to the 981 GT4 as they were sufficiently different but I'd run a Cayman R in parallel to the 981 for about 3 years and I wanted a more practical second car. PEC car didn't convince me so I replaced the R with a CSS that hadn't even done run in miles. I think I would have felt regret if the CSS isn't so special and ironically, it has appreciated whereas the R is not even back near what I paid for it new in 2012. I have on more than one occasion considered getting a delivery mileage CSS for a go round but the premium for that privilege is a bit much.

They must be making a huge number of 718 GT4s though even with C19/chip shortage production issues. What colour have you gone for?

Is there a definitive list anywhere of all the differences between a GTI PP and a Clubsport S? Not cosmetic, but performance-wise. I assume the CSS has the R engine/turbo. Are there suspension differences? Obviously the latter is a bit lighter with no rear seats. What else would be needed to do a CSS-style build on a PP?

[clubsport]

sjw

There are quite a few threads on the differences between PP -Cs -CSS.

The search is your friend going back to 2016 when they were announced, there is a chart of parts differences with part numbers somewhere on thuis thread..... I don;t have time to go through the whole thing, but the information has all been posted previously on this forum.

https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=278850.0

[sjw]

sjw

There are quite a few threads on the differences between PP -Cs -CSS.

The search is your friend going back to 2016 when they were announced, there is a chart of parts differences with part numbers somewhere on thuis thread..... I don;t have time to go through the whole thing, but the information has all been posted previously on this forum.

https://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=278850.0

Nice one, thanks