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Offline GTD184

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GTD to GTi PP
« on: 14 January 2017, 07:18 »
After the wife's nightmare Mk7 GTD ownership I have just secured most probably the last UK destined GTi PP in Tornado Red.......Standard car other than DSG, Santiagos and 90% tints. I'm guessing the performance between the GTD and GTI PP is going to be like night and day other than the fuel economy :rolleyes:

This will be my first petrol car since my Mini Cooper S of 2003 and after a long list of high performance diesel cars and 4x4's.

Car is sitting in Germany having been manufactured on 10/01 and was originally destined for Scotland.......thought I got a cracking deal with £7.5k off :wink:

Wife is due to take delivery of fully specced Tiguan R-Line 190 so we will have a car for all seasons :smug:

GTD 5 Door, DSG - Pearl Black, Dynaudio, 19" Santiago's and a few accessories.......Collection 20th May 2014....(My Birthday!)

GTi PP 5dr DSG - Tornado Red, Santiago's and 90% Tints....Collection due 1st March 2017......"One of the last Mk7's" - "Cancelled"

Offline buddfridge

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #1 on: 14 January 2017, 07:32 »
Had a gtd and now have a gti pp, the gtd is surprisingly not that much slower than the gti but the gti doesn't run out of steam at the top end so quickly...the pick up in low revs is very similar....but that said the gti is a more refined and smoother pick , add a pedal box into the mix then the gti feels like it really wants to go.
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Offline mcmaddy

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #2 on: 14 January 2017, 09:02 »
I went from 2013 Gtd back to a Tiguan R Line and am now in a Gti pp. Still running it in for now but it feels more nimble than I remember my gtd being. I must say though I've been reading about everyone needing pedal boxes to make the gti better which unfortunately in my humble opinion is total nonsense. I don't think the standard pedal response is dull and rather like the linear progression rather than a pedal that's on or off. That's just down to personal driving style though.
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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #3 on: 14 January 2017, 09:50 »
I remember driving my GTI home from the dealer and not being particularly impressed with the feel of the car.
After a few weeks of driving, these feelings didn't go away, and it wasn't until I fitted a pedal box that the car actually felt like I expected a Golf GTI to feel.
Each to their own but I know what camp I'm in.
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Offline Finglonga

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #4 on: 14 January 2017, 12:15 »
You will miss the torque but not for long, I came from a 3ltr twin turbo derv and once you get used to the power going on and on instead of fizzing out at 4k I wondered why ever I left petrol behind. Every time I get into it I enjoy the drive.

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #5 on: 14 January 2017, 13:55 »
I remember driving my GTI home from the dealer and not being particularly impressed with the feel of the car.
After a few weeks of driving, these feelings didn't go away, and it wasn't until I fitted a pedal box that the car actually felt like I expected a Golf GTI to feel.
Each to their own but I know what camp I'm in.

I felt like that too.

My initial thoughts were "this thing should have 258lb ft of torque, so where is it?"
Yes, fine, it felt like 230PS when nailing it but 99% of driving isn't nailing it, 99% of driving is using the torque curve to gain momentum, and that torque felt like it had gone AWOL at anything under 50% pedal depression. My poor legs aren't long enough to keep the pedal buried in the carpet so there was only one answer.

If you have legs like a giraffe or wear deep sea diving boots as leisure wear then you'll never experience a problem with mk7 Golf pedal travel.
If you've got legs like a primate (me) then you'll not be able to live without a PedalBox.


Aside from that a GTI is a truly great and underrated car.
And a GTD is only a whisker behind (plus looks a bit prettier in certain colours when both are on standard wheels to these old eyes).


£7.5k is a pretty remarkable deal though so that'll make the first year's depreciation quite palatable as most dealer deals seem to be in the £6 to £6.5k ballpark. But again, that depends on 'cost to change' if you're part ex'ing as the figures have to balance out somewhere. Oh, and having a close relative at VW can help I guess!
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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #6 on: 14 January 2017, 17:15 »
Like Mcmaddy I have not found any issue with the GTi, the throttle pedal is only about 6cm from top to the floor (not even the length of my index finger) and the car only produces 20lbft less torque than the GTD, so not sure where the issue some say is. I guess it depends what cars you come from but my last two were a twin Turbo diesel and flat 6 petrol so I should be complaining like mad if the forum chatter about pedal boxes is anything to go by.  It seems so varied perhaps VW have a quality control issue with the throttle potentiometer? 

Offline breezasib

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #7 on: 14 January 2017, 17:29 »
I have driven three GTIs and two GTDs and they all have the same "dead spot". Pedal box is a must for me

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #8 on: 14 January 2017, 17:38 »
sorry for beeing abit thick but what is a pedal box? i have just orderd a gti dsg
gtd184 i think my car would of been built maybe before xmas as it was allready overhere but was the only one left they could find with dcc option i wanted carbon grey but had to go for black i also didnt get a massive amout off as such as i wanted dcc ,tech pack,park pack,performance pack ,santiago,s and 90% tints on the back
i think it was just under 30k WOW i gota be mad

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Re: GTD to GTi PP
« Reply #9 on: 14 January 2017, 17:53 »
sorry for beeing abit thick but what is a pedal box? i have just orderd a gti dsg
gtd184 i think my car would of been built maybe before xmas as it was allready overhere but was the only one left they could find with dcc option i wanted carbon grey but had to go for black i also didnt get a massive amout off as such as i wanted dcc ,tech pack,park pack,performance pack ,santiago,s and 90% tints on the back
i think it was just under 30k WOW i gota be mad

mark

The pedal box is something to make you think your going faster, similar to putting your engine is sport mode on the individual settings.