GTD to GTi PP

[madmark63]

thanks jackie dont these gti,s have some sort of false noise to make them sound better? i think my gtd had it ?

[Exonian]

The pedal box is something to make you think your going faster, similar to putting your engine is sport mode on the individual settings.

Unfortunately that's completely wrong.
It has nothing to do with going faster or pretending to go faster.

Go jump in an old car with a carb and slack off the throttle cable.
This is the feeling of a MK7 without a Pedalbox.
Tighten up the cable and you have the Pedalbox feeling.

It gets rid of throttle pedal lag at lower pedal depressions. It just makes the pedal more responsive.
If you don'tthink the pedal is unresponsive at light depressions then you'll never need a Pedalbox.
It's purely a tactile thing.

To me it's the difference between a mk2 GTI 8v with K-jet and one with Digifant.
I never did like Digifant and I had at least three of them and drove dozens more.

I've lost count of how many mk7's I've driven and have never been happy with the throttle response on any of them at town speeds or when wanting a quick but not flat out burst of acceleration in top gear.

[Jackie Treehorn]

The pedal box is something to make you think your going faster, similar to putting your engine is sport mode on the individual settings.

Unfortunately that's completely wrong.
It has nothing to do with going faster or pretending to go faster.

Go jump in an old car with a carb and slack off the throttle cable.
This is the feeling of a MK7 without a Pedalbox.
Tighten up the cable and you have the Pedalbox feeling.

It gets rid of throttle pedal lag at lower pedal depressions. It just makes the pedal more responsive.
If you don'tthink the pedal is unresponsive at light depressions then you'll never need a Pedalbox.
It's purely a tactile thing.

To me it's the difference between a mk2 GTI 8v with K-jet and one with Digifant.
I never did like Digifant and I had at least three of them and drove dozens more.

I've lost count of how many mk7's I've driven and have never been happy with the throttle response on any of them at town speeds or when wanting a quick but not flat out burst of acceleration in top gear.

Suprised you say I'm wrong, quote from DTUK Pedal box website

The Pedal Box sits between the sensor and the control module, intercepting that signal and altering it in order to shorten and improve the response time. This works in the same manner as many manufacturer fitted ‘Sport’ buttons, reducing the amount of pedal travel required to achieve ‘Throttle Wide Open’, allowing you to access the engines full potential

So same as the sport mode then, and designed to do what you can do with your right foot.

Your carb example is not accurate I'm afraid, if you slacken off the throttle cable you don't get correct WOT.  On a  modern car like the GTi you get WOT at full pedal depression with or without a pedal box.

[kalimon]

I really can't believe the merits of using a pedal box is being debated, and by people who haven't actually tried one!
Listen to your uncle Exonian, he knows of what he speaks 

[Jackie Treehorn]

thanks jackie dont these gti,s have some sort of false noise to make them sound better? i think my gtd had it ?

yes they do, but its an easy thing to disconnect, or turn down in the settings menu, depending on year.

[Exonian]

The pedal box is something to make you think your going faster, similar to putting your engine is sport mode on the individual settings.

Unfortunately that's completely wrong.
It has nothing to do with going faster or pretending to go faster.

Go jump in an old car with a carb and slack off the throttle cable.
This is the feeling of a MK7 without a Pedalbox.
Tighten up the cable and you have the Pedalbox feeling.

It gets rid of throttle pedal lag at lower pedal depressions. It just makes the pedal more responsive.
If you don'tthink the pedal is unresponsive at light depressions then you'll never need a Pedalbox.
It's purely a tactile thing.

To me it's the difference between a mk2 GTI 8v with K-jet and one with Digifant.
I never did like Digifant and I had at least three of them and drove dozens more.

I've lost count of how many mk7's I've driven and have never been happy with the throttle response on any of them at town speeds or when wanting a quick but not flat out burst of acceleration in top gear.

Suprised you say I'm wrong, quote from DTUK Pedal box website

The Pedal Box sits between the sensor and the control module, intercepting that signal and altering it in order to shorten and improve the response time. This works in the same manner as many manufacturer fitted ‘Sport’ buttons, reducing the amount of pedal travel required to achieve ‘Throttle Wide Open’, allowing you to access the engines full potential

So same as the sport mode then, and designed to do what you can do with your right foot.

Your carb example is not accurate I'm afraid, if you slacken off the throttle cable you don't get correct WOT.  On a  modern car like the GTi you get WOT at full pedal depression with or without a pedal box.

I was referring to the responses at low pedal openings.
Apologies for not being completely scientifically accurate.

99.9% of people on here but a Pedalbox to improve the dead first inch of travel.
Hence why I was referring to low pedal depressions and driving with diving boots on and various other analogies I wish I hadn't bothered with now.

I'm off to make a cuppa.

[Jackie Treehorn]

Sorry pedantic is my middle name   It gets the better of me some times...

As you were,

[Talk-torque]

My GTI is not a PP, but my previous was a GTD, so here are my thoughts on those differences. I respected the GTD as an awesome piece of automotive engineering. Plenty of go, due to the torque available, and a comfortable, solid, safe car, which would get me anywhere, pretty much as quick as todays roads will allow. The only thing it lacked was a soul - I never loved the car - it never got "inside" me. Because of that I changed, at 2 years, into a GTI with DSG, and I've not looked back, except, maybe, thankfully.

Proper engine that sounds great, revs out nicely and just seems a fair chunk faster, mostly because of the power delivery. The car always feels to be just on the end of your throttle foot, with instant response always available and the loss of a bit of weight does no harm to this, as well as helping the steering feel. In short, the GTI has a character that the GTD lacks.

[mcmaddy]

Why don't people with a pedal box try running in individual mode with the engine in sport mode. That'll fix the so called dead pedal feel

[Watts]

Why don't people with a pedal box try running in individual mode with the engine in sport mode. That'll fix the so called dead pedal feel

That's exactly what I was doing and was perfectly happy. With a pedalbox fitted though, despite having not had it long, it's really upped the feel of the car and the excitement level. I understand fully why VW set it up as they do, the three options they offer give your some choice and keep the car more sedate for how many owners will want but to have the car more alive and like a real hot hatch, a pedalbox is the answer. I agree it's not essential and not for all but if there wasn't room for improvement in throttle response, why would VW give those options in the first place?