GTD to GTi PP

[Exonian]

Why don't people with a pedal box try running in individual mode with the engine in sport mode. That'll fix the so called dead pedal feel

Unfortunately not.

Sport mode will make the ECU throttle map a bit more sensitive in a fake kind of way but it doesn't remove the dead travel at light pedal depression when you want a quick slug of torque to punt you along

Not all driving involves burying the pedal, or at least it shouldn't.
The Pedalbox just makes the car feel generally more peppy and is almost impossible to explain to an audience determined to dislike them.

If you don't feel the need for one don't buy one, just don't be in denial that they actually do work.
Throttle pedal lag is a known issue on most marques of car (and probably commercials too) so these products have been around years and are sold worldwide.

If you're accustomed to rather bland modern ECU and throttle mapping then fine.
It you want your throttle to feel like a good ol' naturally aspirated car with a cable throttle then these devices do the trick when added to modern low pressure turbo cars with digital throttle control.

I've spent the last God knows how many years banging on about them now so will officially shut up on the subject, much to the relief of many.



other brands offer a similar product if you have a bit of a problem with a well known North Eastern company

[Daz Auto]

Why don't people with a pedal box try running in individual mode with the engine in sport mode. That'll fix the so called dead pedal feel

Unfortunately not.

Sport mode will make the ECU throttle map a bit more sensitive in a fake kind of way but it doesn't remove the dead travel at light pedal depression when you want a quick slug of torque to punt you along.

The individual mode with accelerator set to sport had occurred to me also.

I wonder why VW have this dead spot in the accelerator pedal. Could it have had anything to do with vehicle testing standards? Will the emphasis on 'real world' fuel economy mean better accelerator response from the factory?

[Jackie Treehorn]

Why don't people with a pedal box try running in individual mode with the engine in sport mode. That'll fix the so called dead pedal feel

Unfortunately not.

Sport mode will make the ECU throttle map a bit more sensitive in a fake kind of way but it doesn't remove the dead travel at light pedal depression when you want a quick slug of torque to punt you along

Not all driving involves burying the pedal, or at least it shouldn't.
The Pedalbox just makes the car feel generally more peppy and is almost impossible to explain to an audience determined to dislike them.

If you don't feel the need for one don't buy one, just don't be in denial that they actually do work.
Throttle pedal lag is a known issue on most marques of car (and probably commercials too) so these products have been around years and are sold worldwide.

If you're accustomed to rather bland modern ECU and throttle mapping then fine.
It you want your throttle to feel like a good ol' naturally aspirated car with a cable throttle then these devices do the trick when added to modern low pressure turbo cars with digital throttle control.

I've spent the last God knows how many years banging on about them now so will officially shut up on the subject, much to the relief of many.



other brands offer a similar product if you have a bit of a problem with a well known North Eastern company

[/u]

You appear to imply sport mode is kind of fake, I guess while the pedal box isn't? Or??

What car has a low pressure turbo you mention?? Not the MK7 Golf?

Not being pedantic it may sound like it, but just trying to understand what you are talking about...

Its not a case of in denial, if you want a 6cm throttle pedal to make you think you are going faster or should I say "generally feel more preppy" get one, or a "quick slug of torque" in 1cm of travel compared to 3cm, all valid points if that's your thing.  I mentioned a pedal box will let you think its faster, you say the car feels preppy, so its a perceived feel both ways, then I guess we agree?


Not sure why you posted the last comment in small print, if you want to say something just say it...

[kalimon]

If you don't feel the need for one, don't buy one, end of story.
But why keep banging on about how unnecessary they are when you've never even used one?
It's pretty ridiculous and smacks of just wanting an argument.

[Exonian]

Not sure why you posted the last comment in small print, if you want to say something just say it...

It was a tongue in cheek reply to mcmaddy.
He knows what I meant and why it was posted in such a way.

Please bear in mind young Jacqueline that I'm not a walking instruction manual on Golfs or any modification thereof, I'm here for a bit of a laugh and to share experiences and my posts will be exactly that in general.

For reference I've previously used a Sprint Booster which did the same job as a PedalBox but wasn't very well made and had minimal adjustments (not that you really need a lot) and I'm also aware of several other similar products that I've not used and therefore can't comment on (hint hint).

Oh, and as I'm old enough to remember turbos that worked over a very narrow power band and took a good while to spool up requiring quite a lot of air and fuel to work I tend to still refer to some modern turbos as LPT's as they spool very quickly and work over a wide power band with very low emissions but tend to top out quite low in the rev band like that of a GTI and unlike that of something like an A45 AMG which boosts like buggery higher up in the rev range but takes a little while to get into its stride (in comparison to a GTI turbo).
Apologies again if I'm about ten years out of date on turbo technology but i'm not in the habit of trying to be an expert on things or be scientifically accurate. If you have a problem with dealing with idiots then I'd suggest steering clear of my posts. 


On that note I shall now go sit in a corner and chew my shoe.

[p3asa]

After the wife's nightmare Mk7 GTD ownership I have just secured most probably the last UK destined GTi PP in Tornado Red.......Standard car other than DSG, Santiagos and 90% tints. I'm guessing the performance between the GTD and GTI PP is going to be like night and day other than the fuel economy

To get back to the OP's original question 

No I don't think it will be night and day.

I own or at least did own a GTD until very recently and my wife has the GTI.
I don't think there is much in it. The power is delivered in a different manner in both.
When I was using my wifes GTI for a couple of weeks I felt it was slower off the line than the GTD but this was partly due to trying to drive the GTI like a GTD. It took me a while to change. All sorts of Kia's and Citroen's were hammering me at the traffic lights  However once I got used to using all the revs in the petrol it was slightly better.
I liked the free revving of the GTI and felt it was slightly more nimble than the GTD.

However I added a pedal box to the GTI and it wiped the floor with the GTD. That on its own made it feel night and day.

[GTD184]

sorry for beeing abit thick but what is a pedal box? i have just orderd a gti dsg
gtd184 i think my car would of been built maybe before xmas as it was allready overhere but was the only one left they could find with dcc option i wanted carbon grey but had to go for black i also didnt get a massive amout off as such as i wanted dcc ,tech pack,park pack,performance pack ,santiago,s and 90% tints on the back
i think it was just under 30k WOW i gota be mad

mark

VW are buying back my wife's GTD due to the amount of defects it has had during her 2.5 years of ownership. In place of that car she ordered a Tiguan R-Line after pulling out of a GLC purchase.

The GTI I have purchased is a "second" car hence the reason with the discount gained I was not too fussed on spec. I searched high and low for a base spec GTI with DSG and Dynaudio in any colour but couldn't find one for love nor money!.....the car I eventually purchased was destined for Scotland and the only GTI that was not locked into a dealer. I would have preferred the Dynaudio over the Santiagos but the discount achieved made my decision just that little bit easier.

There are still some GTI's to be had from the dealer network and even many more GTD's, however they are very highly specced and as much as I would liked to have got my hands on one I couldn't justify the cost on a second family car.

[monkeyhanger]

I wonder why VW have this dead spot in the accelerator pedal. Could it have had anything to do with vehicle testing standards? Will the emphasis on 'real world' fuel economy mean better accelerator response from the factory?

It is probably to give you a good degree of control over very low fuel input situations such as those needed in crawling through city traffic. The last thing you need when crawling along in 1st at 4mph is a hair trigger throttle.

[fredgroves]

More likely its because crawling in traffic is part of the emissions test regime and cutting down on the amount of fuel (needlessly) used to crawl in traffic will make the figures look better....

[Daz Auto]

To get back to the OP's original question 

No I don't think it will be night and day.

I don't think there is much in it. The power is delivered in a different manner in both.

When I was using my wifes GTI for a couple of weeks I felt it was slower off the line than the GTD but this was partly due to trying to drive the GTI like a GTD. It took me a while to change. All sorts of Kia's and Citroen's were hammering me at the traffic lights  However once I got used to using all the revs in the petrol it was slightly better.

I liked the free revving of the GTI and felt it was slightly more nimble than the GTD.

... so the GTD pushes you in the back from low revs, but has a shorter rev range?
... and the GTI requires more revs to push you in the back, and has a longer rev range?

... so for daily driving the GTD gives lots of shove with less effort?
... the GTI requires to be 'driven', but will give slightly better performance below 60 when 'driven' and much better performance at naughty speeds?

I had a GTI for a short test drive recently and did think it was a bit dead. It was brand new and I was just testing the DCC suspension feel - which I really liked. I noticed that for the same amount of pedal movement as my GTD the car just didn't have the same 'go'. I didn't try to use the higher rev range. The car was not 'run in'.

I'm planning on changing my car this year. After a lot of thought I have decided to put the GTI PP at the top of my list. Closely followed by the GTD.

Last week I drove my Mk6 GTD to the supermarket 7 miles away. It had not even warmed up.

My reasons for changing to GTI...

- Always wanted a GTI
- I'm doing less miles = not good for a GTD
- Want a tow bar - for a kayak trailer
- Can run on any petrol
- warms up faster
- I don't think I would notice much difference moving from GTD to GTD
- smoother, quicker, lighter, better handling, iconic
- really interested in trying the VAQ diff