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Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« on: 02 November 2016, 08:40 »
Hi,

I have a 2017 MY Golf R with a heated windscreen.  I previously had a 2014 Gti with the same function.   
I have selected the tick box for auto mode windscreen heating in the climate setup screen. On my last Golf when I selected the windscreen demist button on the climate control, this also switched the heated screen on.  On my R this does not happen.     Also on my last golf the windscreen heating used to come on when needed, ie when the screen started steaming up (I could tell this as it showed up on the conveniene consumers list) This does not appear to happen on my new car.

Does anyone else have any experience with this?

Many thanks

Ian
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #1 on: 02 November 2016, 10:06 »
Hi,

I have a 2017 MY Golf R with a heated windscreen.  I previously had a 2014 Gti with the same function.   
I have selected the tick box for auto mode windscreen heating in the climate setup screen. On my last Golf when I selected the windscreen demist button on the climate control, this also switched the heated screen on.  On my R this does not happen.     Also on my last golf the windscreen heating used to come on when needed, ie when the screen started steaming up (I could tell this as it showed up on the conveniene consumers list) This does not appear to happen on my new car.

Does anyone else have any experience with this?

Many thanks

Ian

The answers no as really could not justify the phone kit for the pleasure, which is shame as imagine 99% of us would select as a standalone.

It was a 2 degree and frosted car this morning and did not have a scraper and thought be a long wait for screen to clear but it cleared so much quicker than the GTD? Is this because the petrol engine gets to temperature quicker?

But was always a painful wait in the GTD and would say it was just a couple of minutes and wipers shifted the frost and by minute or so more, clear screen

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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #2 on: 02 November 2016, 10:41 »
Hi,

I have a 2017 MY Golf R with a heated windscreen.  I previously had a 2014 Gti with the same function.   
I have selected the tick box for auto mode windscreen heating in the climate setup screen. On my last Golf when I selected the windscreen demist button on the climate control, this also switched the heated screen on.  On my R this does not happen.     Also on my last golf the windscreen heating used to come on when needed, ie when the screen started steaming up (I could tell this as it showed up on the conveniene consumers list) This does not appear to happen on my new car.

Does anyone else have any experience with this?

Many thanks

Ian

The answers no as really could not justify the phone kit for the pleasure, which is shame as imagine 99% of us would select as a standalone.

It was a 2 degree and frosted car this morning and did not have a scraper and thought be a long wait for screen to clear but it cleared so much quicker than the GTD? Is this because the petrol engine gets to temperature quicker?

But was always a painful wait in the GTD and would say it was just a couple of minutes and wipers shifted the frost and by minute or so more, clear screen

Hi Yes the Gti & R have a very fast engine warm up.  I believe only the cylinder head has cooling initially until the engine warms up, then the main block is cooled.

Ian
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #3 on: 02 November 2016, 13:14 »
Hi,

I have a 2017 MY Golf R with a heated windscreen.  I previously had a 2014 Gti with the same function.   
I have selected the tick box for auto mode windscreen heating in the climate setup screen. On my last Golf when I selected the windscreen demist button on the climate control, this also switched the heated screen on.  On my R this does not happen.     Also on my last golf the windscreen heating used to come on when needed, ie when the screen started steaming up (I could tell this as it showed up on the conveniene consumers list) This does not appear to happen on my new car.

Does anyone else have any experience with this?

Many thanks

Ian

The answers no as really could not justify the phone kit for the pleasure, which is shame as imagine 99% of us would select as a standalone.

It was a 2 degree and frosted car this morning and did not have a scraper and thought be a long wait for screen to clear but it cleared so much quicker than the GTD? Is this because the petrol engine gets to temperature quicker?

But was always a painful wait in the GTD and would say it was just a couple of minutes and wipers shifted the frost and by minute or so more, clear screen

Hi Yes the Gti & R have a very fast engine warm up.  I believe only the cylinder head has cooling initially until the engine warms up, then the main block is cooled.

Ian

My last 9 years have been performance diesels so my expectation of time to wait was pretty set so it was a really nice surprise this morning when the full blast on screen showed them thawing patches so quickly and in no time at all  really and definitely in comparison was able to set off.

The rationale makes total sense and thanks for explaining.

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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #4 on: 02 November 2016, 21:21 »
Petrol burns hotter than diesel
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #5 on: 02 November 2016, 21:50 »
Petrol burns hotter than diesel

Nope.

Petrol burns cooler than diesel in engine combustion - the main reason why you get far fewer mpg with petrol. Petrol is only about 8% less calorific than diesel, but at the lower operating temperatures (lower peak temp of ignition and power stroke) of a petrol engine, there's less expansion under combustion. They do end up with a hotter exhaust as the larger expansion of the diesel cools the exhaust gases more - more of the energy generated by the petrol is lost to the exhaust gases. There isn't a hell of a lot more energy in diesel, but it is combusted in a much more efficient way.

Petrols warm up quicker than diesels because they can get to their lower optimum operating temperature much quicker.
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #6 on: 02 November 2016, 22:52 »
This varies for the engine design, and is also during the cycle and according to use e.g. running lean is hotter. For a particular petrol engine a figure for the average temperature in the cylinder during combustion stroke is 820°C. Near the walls the temperature is closer to the engine block and cooling system temperature, but in the middle of the flame it might be from 1650-2750°C (3000-5000°F) with 1950°C more likely, and the exhaust (manifold) can be 980°C. In some ways these temperatures are related to materials too. The engine design is a compromise between efficiency, power, smooth operation, reliability, emissions. With a petrol engine preignition/detonation is always just around the corner, so design tends to focus on that.

The auto-ignite temperature of diesel or petrol fuel is not much different, around 250°C. This is the temperature the fuel ignites by itself. Octane rating affects this in a petrol engine (to prevent pre-ignition as well as detonation). The energy in the burning fuel is a little higher with diesel. The compression is higher too, so this adds some heat before ignition.

For diesels the air temperature at the end of compression is 450 to 675°C. Peak temperatures during burning are like 2030°C.

The second link is a paper with some interesting plots. Here a diesel engine was converted to a spark ignition engine using CNG (compressed natural gas). You can see that at different engine speeds the diesel peak combustion temperature can be hotter or cooler, though at higher speeds (3600-4000RPM) they start to diverge with the CNG being cooler. There is also some attempt to explain these effects, in terms of fuel burn efficiency. Figure 8 shows maximum temperatures at different speeds, with diesel hotter at higher speeds as it is burning more efficien
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #7 on: 03 November 2016, 07:46 »
In general (and certainly the case for car engines), diesel ignites and burns at a higher temperature, with more of its  chemical energy transformed into kinetic energy with the greater expansion following higher compression.

Higher octane fuel allows for a more efficient burn than lower octane, petrol getting a step closer to diesel combustion thermodynamically, but still limited on compression ratio by the need to ignite by spark rather than auto-ignition under compression. For lower output engines, the slight fuel savings gained would be eaten up by the higher fuel costs, so there's no push to make everything run on higher octane fuels.

Diesel effectively gives more bang (kunetic energy out) for the same energy in, within your typical automotive engine.

Even so, you can see the difference in speed of warm up temp as it gets colder. The last few days my R has been quite quick to get the oil temp up to 80c but much slower than normal to approach 100c and sitting at 98c  rather than getting to 102c as it did in the warmer weather. Putting the heatinng on rather than not does slow the engine warmup too - a pity VW couldn't make more use of the heat the exhaust is kicking out to warm up the air beingput into the cabin when you put your heater on.
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #8 on: 03 November 2016, 08:18 »
Sooooo back to the wondscreen.  Nobody else seems to have the heated screen?
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Re: Has anyone got a 2016/17 Golf with windscreen heating?
« Reply #9 on: 03 November 2016, 08:55 »
Sorry to be on topic but I have a 2016 with the heated screen. I too have selected the auto heating but it never seems to do it automatically either. I just put it on as and when required.

Its an expensive option but it's so useful for cold mornings.
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