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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #110 on: 08 September 2016, 20:03 »
The GTI will comfortably match those mpg figures. Utterly pointless putting up with the drawbacks of a diesel when you do such low mileage and short commutes imo.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #111 on: 08 September 2016, 20:35 »
What's the real world mpg of a gti on a long run. Mid 40s?? I struggled sometimes in the gtd to get 45 on a run before and my long term was about 39 to 41. I know if I go gti it's not about mpgs but it's all part of the package. If I can at least match or better the Tiguan then I would be happy.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #112 on: 08 September 2016, 20:41 »
What's the real world mpg of a gti on a long run. Mid 40s?? I struggled sometimes in the gtd to get 45 on a run before and my long term was about 39 to 41. I know if I go gti it's not about mpgs but it's all part of the package. If I can at least match or better the Tiguan then I would be happy.

I get between 38 and 44 mpg down to Spain, my mpg depends on needs

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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #113 on: 08 September 2016, 21:03 »
What's the real world mpg of a gti on a long run. Mid 40s?? I struggled sometimes in the gtd to get 45 on a run before and my long term was about 39 to 41. I know if I go gti it's not about mpgs but it's all part of the package. If I can at least match or better the Tiguan then I would be happy.

On a long run with a not-too-heavy foot, the GTI will average high 30's. With a very light foot, keeping low revs and keeping speed under 60mph it'll do 42 ish I'd say. But that's pretty boring.... A more realistic long term average with your low miles and short journeys would be closer to 34-35mpg.

But, why be so hung up on a few measly mpg anyway. With low mileage it's a tiny factor in the overall cost of ownership, the cost differential between 45mpg and 35mpg when only doing 8k miles a year has got to be fairly insignificant in the overall scheme of things.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #114 on: 08 September 2016, 21:13 »
It's a small amount in real terms I suppose and it will be a lot more fun back in a golf. The Tiguan is a quick car for its size and bulk but not really the same as even the gtd. I do have Scottish blood in me also so it's getting the best balance of mpgs and monthlies and fun into one package😃

One of the good things about the gtd is it also being cheaper to buy and run which kind of goes against the usual thinking in the petrol v diesel chat. Gtd would still be cheaper than a gti even at 8500 to 9000 miles per year but the gti itch is becoming quite scratchy.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #115 on: 08 September 2016, 21:30 »
What's the real world mpg of a gti on a long run. Mid 40s?? I struggled sometimes in the gtd to get 45 on a run before and my long term was about 39 to 41. I know if I go gti it's not about mpgs but it's all part of the package. If I can at least match or better the Tiguan then I would be happy.

If you drive like a nun you might see early 40s Chris. The R (and GTI, carrying a little less weight) are most economical sat at 30-50mph, purring along in 5th or 6th gear at 1500 -2000rpm not under load. That makes their mpg penalty less noticeable vs the GTD in city traffic, when the GTD's high gearing makes it difficult to be sat in 6th gear often.

When you get up to motorway speeds though, that lower gearing makes the GTI and R much thirstier than the GTD - doing a constant 80mph on the motorway, you'll be lucky to average 32mpg in the R or 35mpg in the GTI. The mpg difference between the R and the GTI is pretty small, it's only lugging 8% extra weight in the haldex which will behaving like a 2WD when not pressing on - about half the extra fueling costs of the R come from having to shell out at least 5p per litre more for the premium stuff.

Today I had a steady drive, quick but with no real opportunities to put my foot down apart from a 5 mile stretch of Newcastle's central motorway and my 20 mile commute saw me get 37.1mpg (indicated) and i'm averaging 34.2mpg for my tank on Tesco Momentum (despite driving with a bit of a mean streak on my way home last night).

You do get less mpg drop-off in the winter vs the GTD, diesels are much thirstier in the winter (for the combustion temp of the diesel, warm air loaded with moisture makes a far bigger difference to the mpg than it does for the petrol).

Stay light on the options Chris - that's what's really pushing your monthlies up when you change every 2 years.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #116 on: 08 September 2016, 21:42 »
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #117 on: 08 September 2016, 22:33 »
My good lady took her GTI down to the borders and back from Glasgow and got 45mpg.
She had her elderly parents in the car so would definitely have been taking it easy but it shows it can be done.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #118 on: 09 September 2016, 07:31 »
^Just goes to show how mpg can vary so much on driving style, length of journey and how the car was run in.

The R is noticeably more economical on RON99 (Shell/Tesco) than RON97 (Esso/BP) - not sure if fuel brand choice makes much of a difference to a GTI being ran on standard RON95 from wherever.
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Re: Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?
« Reply #119 on: 09 September 2016, 08:14 »
saying that I shouldn't be so surprised, I had an A3 170 tdi before the BMW and it did no better than about 43-44 on a good day !  I think the combination of the torque of the 330d and auto gearbox which sits the engine around 17-1800 rpm @ around 80 mph gives it good long range mpg once up to temp.

Agree on shorter runs it might be hitting the GTD consumption..

 :rolleyes: My last car, 2012 A3 2.0 140 tdi was the same, circa 42-43mpg, as was my car before that, a 2009 mk6 2.0 140 Golf GT.

Anyway I thought this thread was about GTI and R's?  :grin:

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These figures point to why not buy a GTI over a GTD if mileage is not high, ;)

Anyone in a GTD doing less than 15k a year begs the question why not to go for a GTI!

Precisely what made my mind up!  You'll never see the benefit of diesel unless your typical journey is over 20 miles.
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