Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?

[Sootchucker]

Ahh, just checked and yes I have it - sorry really busy this morning at work so I never noticed it.

Basically the answers are as I gave above. In an ideal world I would have liked to go back to petrol and the GTI, but at present my annual mileage is just a little too prohibitive.

[mjh_056]

Ahh, just checked and yes I have it - sorry really busy this morning at work so I never noticed it.

Basically the answers are as I gave above. In an ideal world I would have liked to go back to petrol and the GTI, but at present my annual mileage is just a little too prohibitive.

Yours is the best specced GTD that seen, in best colour, and with the MY16 improvements is a hard package to beat and if mileage was higher would not hesitate to have stayed GTD and likely at your specification.

[Jackie Treehorn]

Just some loose figures but a gti will cost me about 40 to 50 quid a month more to run on fuel, tax and payments etc. Is it that much better than a gtd? I've got a 15 mile round trip to work and after factoring in fuel costs which are nearly the same up here it comes to about the figures above.

Aren't you comparing apples and fish?  If its a money thing, or a fuel thing, its understandable. But for everything else its a diesel vs a petrol car, they handling drive and feel so different they can't really be compared.  Opt for the PP version and you will get the VAQ diff the brakes and obviously a petrol engine that breaths rather than being determined by fuel flow.   Don't get me wrong i have had diesels including twin turbo BMW ones, but even in the same MQB platform a diesel car will be very different to the petrol GTi PP with a VAQ.   

[mcmaddy]

Could go for the gti to get rid of the itch and then see if vw bring out the twin turbo 4wd gtd 

[mjh_056]

Could go for the gti to get rid of the itch and then see if vw bring out the twin turbo 4wd gtd 

It's the car a lot of us want but doubt they do that as VW seem to have a very distinct profile for the 3 versions and changing the GTD like that would step on the GTI and particularly the R with the increased BHP a Bi-Turbo gives

AWD could go on the GTD now, the Audi 170 and the now 184 BHP have it as an option so its obviously something VW want to steer clear of.

Be interesting to see what happens about N02 emissions too, think there maybe something coming in that area also (think right in saying that latest diesels are still poor in that area)

[Watts]

On fuel economy, my GTI PP gives up to 34 on my 5 mile commute, in the winter that will be sub 30. If I take the motorway route home which is 19 miles 45+ is easy, 50 is the best but was so slow and boring that I'm unlikely to ever replicate it. On a long distance motorway trip (200+ miles) I usually average 41 with a few 50 zones, tailbacks and periods at 70-80mph. I find the economy very acceptable and better than expected. My previous car mostly did 30-33 on a long run and 26 on the commutes so a good improvement

[GTD1414]

Could go for the gti to get rid of the itch and then see if vw bring out the twin turbo 4wd gtd 

It's the car a lot of us want but doubt they do that as VW seem to have a very distinct profile for the 3 versions and changing the GTD like that would step on the GTI and particularly the R with the increased BHP a Bi-Turbo gives

AWD could go on the GTD now, the Audi 170 and the now 184 BHP have it as an option so its obviously something VW want to steer clear of.

Be interesting to see what happens about N02 emissions too, think there maybe something coming in that area also (think right in saying that latest diesels are still poor in that area)

I've also noticed that a few members on Audi sport forum are looking at/have ordered the new 190 2.0 TFSI over the 184 2.0 TDI. Both available in quattro..

[fredgroves]

I've also noticed that a few members on Audi sport forum are looking at/have ordered the new 190 2.0 TFSI over the 184 2.0 TDI. Both available in quattro..

Any reason for that? Is the 190 petrol significantly cheaper than the 184 oil burner?

I'm guessing that it probably is - isn't a GTI cheaper than a GTD?

The one thing I admire Audi (and BMW I think) is that AWD is just a tick box option - its not restricted to certain editions or engine or gearbox types.

Having said that though, its an arm and a leg, you loose a lot of boot space and it adds weight (although I have been told by a friend that in the R the extra rear weight actually settles the Mk7 over bumpy old UK roads)

[mjh_056]

Could go for the gti to get rid of the itch and then see if vw bring out the twin turbo 4wd gtd 

It's the car a lot of us want but doubt they do that as VW seem to have a very distinct profile for the 3 versions and changing the GTD like that would step on the GTI and particularly the R with the increased BHP a Bi-Turbo gives

AWD could go on the GTD now, the Audi 170 and the now 184 BHP have it as an option so its obviously something VW want to steer clear of.

Be interesting to see what happens about N02 emissions too, think there maybe something coming in that area also (think right in saying that latest diesels are still poor in that area)

I've also noticed that a few members on Audi sport forum are looking at/have ordered the new 190 2.0 TFSI over the 184 2.0 TDI. Both available in quattro..

Seriously looked at the new Audi with Quattro, but they somehow came out as higher lease cost and with less options than the R, and the S3 was not even a selection option in base version. - Think would have gone R anyway but made decision easier,

[mcmaddy]

Gtd is cheaper than the gti. Vw seem to be one if the few manufacturers to have a cheaper diesel model.