Golf R... Why buy a Golf GTI?

[GTD1414]

The 40% is only applicable if you already in that pay bracket, if the car element (allowance) takes you over the £43k threshold (£45k 2017/18) and into that bracket you obviously then have pay extra on that portion but it will not be the full 40% figures

I meant that you're probably a higher earner if the company is giving you a £30k Golf R and not making you drive an Astra 1.6... ;-)

I'm in the 20% tax bracket and I have a 28k GTD,

And the GTD does not do 50mpg in real world, more like 40-42mpg.

IF that is true - only 40-42mpg that is really shocking for a 2.0 4 cylinder ?!  Are people really only getting that from a GTD I would have thought it would be much better..

I have honestly never had less than 40mpg and I average 46-47 from my 330d, week in week out over a range of A, B and dual carriageway commute, with a best of 53mpg from a tankfull (623 miles)

That IS true, I think the most I've seen on my 'long-term' screen is 43mpg.

Yes, it will achieve over 50mpg on a long journey, all depends how you drive.

[mjh_056]

saying that I shouldn't be so surprised, I had an A3 170 tdi before the BMW and it did no better than about 43-44 on a good day !  I think the combination of the torque of the 330d and auto gearbox which sits the engine around 17-1800 rpm @ around 80 mph gives it good long range mpg once up to temp.

Agree on shorter runs it might be hitting the GTD consumption..

Had the exact same 170 BHP on Quattro for 6 years over 2 models and that was about right and suppose my acceptance of being about the level comes from that, never ever expected the 60 MPG that was touted for the GTD. You can hit that on a long run, but never as an overall figure unless maybe doing long runs daily.

But on to 300 BHP and petrol for me so economy obviously not being factored so much though do expect the variances on fuel cost and lower mileage to offset costs and to in reality not cost me much more than now, no more than cost of a Nando for two maybe

[GTD1414]

saying that I shouldn't be so surprised, I had an A3 170 tdi before the BMW and it did no better than about 43-44 on a good day !  I think the combination of the torque of the 330d and auto gearbox which sits the engine around 17-1800 rpm @ around 80 mph gives it good long range mpg once up to temp.

Agree on shorter runs it might be hitting the GTD consumption..

  My last car, 2012 A3 2.0 140 tdi was the same, circa 42-43mpg, as was my car before that, a 2009 mk6 2.0 140 Golf GT.

Anyway I thought this thread was about GTI and R's? 

[mjh_056]

saying that I shouldn't be so surprised, I had an A3 170 tdi before the BMW and it did no better than about 43-44 on a good day !  I think the combination of the torque of the 330d and auto gearbox which sits the engine around 17-1800 rpm @ around 80 mph gives it good long range mpg once up to temp.

Agree on shorter runs it might be hitting the GTD consumption..

  My last car, 2012 A3 2.0 140 tdi was the same, circa 42-43mpg, as was my car before that, a 2009 mk6 2.0 140 Golf GT.

Anyway I thought this thread was about GTI and R's? 

All in melting pot

These figures point to why not buy a GTI over a GTD if mileage is not high,

[GTD1414]

saying that I shouldn't be so surprised, I had an A3 170 tdi before the BMW and it did no better than about 43-44 on a good day !  I think the combination of the torque of the 330d and auto gearbox which sits the engine around 17-1800 rpm @ around 80 mph gives it good long range mpg once up to temp.

Agree on shorter runs it might be hitting the GTD consumption..

  My last car, 2012 A3 2.0 140 tdi was the same, circa 42-43mpg, as was my car before that, a 2009 mk6 2.0 140 Golf GT.

Anyway I thought this thread was about GTI and R's? 

All in melting pot

These figures point to why not buy a GTI over a GTD if mileage is not high,

Anyone in a GTD doing less than 15k a year begs the question why not to go for a GTI!

[matchboy]

interested to read the comments about the Porsche.  Have to say when I test drove the new 718 I was expecting big things of the new nav and infotainment but it was still like stepping back 2 generations from the BMW prof nav system.  Really disappointing so I can imagine the previous one was worse.

There are some good deals around on TT's too.  Was your 13% including the deposit contribution ?

That doesn't surprise me re: the nav etc on the 718's.  I knew it was cr@p going into it, but after a year it does start to become annoying.

Nope, straight up 13% discount.  I don't think the TTS is a very big seller - hence I didn't even have to work that hard to get that discount.  I'd imagine the normal ones are the popular versions as they're a lot cheaper, and also the TTRS comes out soon so maybe people are waiting for that (monster, 3.7 secs 0-60 but v expensive!)

[mjh_056]

saying that I shouldn't be so surprised, I had an A3 170 tdi before the BMW and it did no better than about 43-44 on a good day !  I think the combination of the torque of the 330d and auto gearbox which sits the engine around 17-1800 rpm @ around 80 mph gives it good long range mpg once up to temp.

Agree on shorter runs it might be hitting the GTD consumption..

  My last car, 2012 A3 2.0 140 tdi was the same, circa 42-43mpg, as was my car before that, a 2009 mk6 2.0 140 Golf GT.

Anyway I thought this thread was about GTI and R's? 

All in melting pot

These figures point to why not buy a GTI over a GTD if mileage is not high,

Anyone in a GTD doing less than 15k a year begs the question why not to go for a GTI!

When selected my GTD I was doing 15k +

6 months from receiving a role change! and that dropped to what will work out as 27k over 3 years when hand back, and hence going for the R as expect that 27k to be more 20k as it will now be minus lots of University runs as daughter now graduated.

Diesel costs more and short journeys bring parity to the economy, though never experienced the amount of regens was expecting, it was good on that front even with shorter runs.

[fredgroves]

I regularly get 50mpg from mine over the summer. A typical long haul of 100+ miles on the motorway will yield about 53mpg.... my best was the other week with 58mpg over about 70 miles.

Does depend on how you drive though, I am sure some of you could travel the same routes and get 40mpg :-P

The combination of being an essential traveler for work and the infestation of speed cameras mean that these days I rarely go over 70mph on the motorway - this does make a lot of difference to the fuel economy!

Whilst you might wonder why I'd care if it was for business... the company pay a flat pence per mile rate. Quite often in the past it was costing me money to travel for work, now its quite often shifted the other way ;-)

I have no idea what a GTI or R could do, but suspect that BIK and MPG would make it more expensive for me and as much as I love my Golf (and I really do!) I don't really want to pay out any more than I have to - its about on the limit of my budget as it is. What took me from Mondeos etc to this was the concept of a lighter car being more fuel efficient (and it is) plus a better depreciation rate reducing the lease costs (also did that) PLUS at the time (2.5 years ago) the BIK rate was super low (mega low compared to a Mondeo!). All of this offset the fact that its a more expensive smaller car.

Its all worked out fine but the upcoming problem is that the BIK rates advance once bracket per year and VW have a slightly increased CO2 figure for current GTD's (post desielgate) that nudges it up. All of this means that another GTD next year will be at least 4 brackets higher than this one AND the lease cost will have increased.

All of this could well be a deal breaker for me as the only thing which hasn't gone up is my salary

Will be looking hard at some different options shortly, which is a shame because if it was just "are you happy with your GTD?" the answer would be absolutely 100% YES! Its all the other factors that put it in doubt.

[mcmaddy]

I had a gtd from September 13 until October 15 and then went back to a Tiguan r line. I'm now hankering for a golf again(probably should have kept the gtd but that's another story for another thread). Was very happy with my previous gtd but this time I'm thinking gti. My daily round trip commute is 14 miles and on cold mornings I'm getting 33mpg out of the Tiguan, warmer mornings can touch 40mpg and my annual mileage is about 8500 give or take. Up here in sunny Sunderland the diesel and petrol are the same price but I'm in two minds over a gtd or a gti. I've ruled out the R and am thinking i might get at least the same or slightly better from a gti. Any opinions on my thoughts??

[JoeGTI]

The GTI will comfortably match those mpg figures. Utterly pointless putting up with the drawbacks of a diesel when you do such low mileage and short commutes imo.