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Offline Jimble

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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #10 on: 17 October 2014, 14:31 »
Or the M135i  :evil: Where else can you find a creamy straight six engined sub 30k hot hatch these days?

Yes its not the best looking car in the world but I think most hot hatches are subjective these days.

Just had the bmw m performance exhaust system fitted on on mine and it sounds amazing as well.

I'll go an get my tin hat!  :smiley:



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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #11 on: 17 October 2014, 14:31 »
£180 a month for an R? It would be mad not to.
http://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/63191/volkswagen/golf/20_tsi_r_3dr.html

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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #12 on: 17 October 2014, 14:46 »
If I was in the market for the mk7 generation, the cupra would take my money every time.


I followed my Mk4 GTI with a Leon Cupra in 2002. Given the leap forward in quality the Mk4 had over the Mk3, the Leon felt like a backward step. I don't think things are any different these days.
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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #13 on: 17 October 2014, 15:02 »
Great thread.
I think this sums it up: http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/10/16/everyone-on-the-internet-has-a-golf-r/#.VEEcQEt8OhM

C'mon, purely financially the R is having it's day right now. The R is now the GTI.
My GTI is just hitting one year old and how many have I seen on the roads in 12 months? About four different ones, five possibly as one might have been a GTD! How many GTD's? Hundreds. And R's? Considering they've only been on the roads since about March this year I've seen at least half a dozen already and I don't exactly go very far!

Monkeyhanger shares my view and Mr Savage has some good points in the first posts on this thread. The Lupo GTI has the fun factor that so many hot hatches lack. I've not tried the M135i unfortunately but despite the looks it must be a hoot to drive, one of those cars you'll own for a while, love, get rid of and then look back with regret in years to come.


If it was me buying right now I think the Cupra would possibly take my money. I'll ignore the traction of the R and S3 as one of the last track days I did at Castle Combe a few years back got a bit greasy and the first cars sliding off on the first bend after the start straight (quite a sharp one) saw the 4WD cars spinning off. The 4WD gives you traction off the line and stability in some situations but it doesn't defy physics or tyre grip.

I bought my GTI and went easy on the options to minimise depreciation knowing I don't keep my cars long, normally after the first year I'm planning my next change - but right now I can't think of anything I'd actually want to change the GTI for! Maybe the ED40 in a couple years will have the answer but until I've seen my friend's Cupra in the flesh (he's got one on order for early next year delivery) I just can't see there's a much more balanced car than the GTI (or GTD) out there. So I'm happy to keep mine but not sure I'd buy one right now when you can get such deals on the leases with R's. The only thing that would put me off an R lease would be that I'd be stuck with it. I've always tended to be old fashioned and save up for my cars or take bank loans so that the car is actually mine if I decide to modify it (as I have done in the past).

So to answer the original question, financially the R takes it so long as you don't mind base spec on a lease. The Audi takes it if you have the sort of friends who look down their noses at people or you want an uber stealth car if you're an accountant or doctor or something. The Cupra takes it if you want a bit of fun but still with VW engineering (personally I've owned a few SEATs and haven't found them to be any worse built than VW's) and the GTI takes it if you're an old fart like me...
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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #14 on: 17 October 2014, 15:05 »
£180 a month for an R? It would be mad not to.
http://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/63191/volkswagen/golf/20_tsi_r_3dr.html

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Blimey! Anybody want to buy my GTI?!!!!!!
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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #15 on: 17 October 2014, 17:18 »
When is the Ed 40 out and surely they are not just going to give it 240PS? with a  free PP pack thrown in.
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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #16 on: 17 October 2014, 17:36 »
Or the M135i  :evil: Where else can you find a creamy straight six engined sub 30k hot hatch these days?

Yes its not the best looking car in the world but I think most hot hatches are subjective these days.

Just had the bmw m performance exhaust system fitted on on mine and it sounds amazing as well.

I'll go an get my tin hat!  :smiley:

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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #17 on: 17 October 2014, 17:49 »
My GTI is just hitting one year old and how many have I seen on the roads in 12 months? About four different ones, five possibly as one might have been a GTD! How many GTD's? Hundreds. And R's? Considering they've only been on the roads since about March this year I've seen at least half a dozen already and I don't exactly go very far!
Remarkably, I was sat in a lay-by on a conference call this afternoon for half an hour... I saw 4 Mk7 GTis, 3 GTDs and 1 R whilst I was there - dull conference call, obviously  :grin:
The 4WD gives you traction off the line and stability in some situations but it doesn't defy physics or tyre grip.
And it doesn't help you stop... The biggest problem with 4WD I see is that it does give folks some misplaced confidence. I'm sure the biggest benefit of the 4WD on my other car is the improvement in weight distribution it offers.

I think the issue of cars being less fun than they were is true. Much of this can be put down to the fact that even the most average of cars have so much more grip, better ride, better brakes etc. etc. than the equivalent even 10 years ago that you need to be going so much faster to get the same point of capability than you used to that to get the thrill you used to feel in the seat of your pants you're at speeds that if it all went wrong the result would be that much more serious...

I think Toyota (and Subaru) have the right idea with the GT86... They're not that fast, they don't have that much grip but, having driven one, they're quite fun... you can feel the amount of grip through your backside and they're quite adjustable...
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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #18 on: 17 October 2014, 18:02 »

I think Toyota (and Subaru) have the right idea with the GT86... They're not that fast, they don't have that much grip but, having driven one, they're quite fun... you can feel the amount of grip through your backside and they're quite adjustable...

Similar to my Mother-in-Laws MX5 I would imagine. I don't know who much power it has, but it's an absolute hoot.
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Re: MK7 R or Audi S3 and GTI or Leon Cupra 280?
« Reply #19 on: 17 October 2014, 18:27 »
Similar to my Mother-in-Laws MX5 I would imagine. I don't know who much power it has, but it's an absolute hoot.

I agree i have an M135 and a GTD, i have owned an FN2 type R and an MX5, i can safely say the only car on that list i would buy again is the MX5, the other three are good in there own ways but the MX5 was something special, I still regret changing the MX5 for the Type R.

I have my eye on either a new model MX5 or the new Type R next year.  :smiley: