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Offline benjyyy

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #40 on: 10 October 2013, 13:25 »
monkeyhanger is right. I just checked drivethedeal and you can buy a 5dr GTD with no options for £22807, a saving of £3133 (12.1%) on the RRP. You will get around 60% of RRP in 3 years time with 30k miles which is £15564 for a loss of £7243.

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #41 on: 10 October 2013, 13:56 »
I bought a 3 year old Corsa for £4k (a bargain I thought) and sold it after 6 months for £2500 (it was crap)

I bought a nine year old Peugeot 205 (first car) for £1k and sold it nine years later for £2k. :shocked:

I sold it to the government, a fact that still brings me great pleasure. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #42 on: 10 October 2013, 14:10 »
Ricepop:

Your 16k miles PA explains why your GFV was a bit lower than what I was given on my VW finance offer (didn’t take up the finance, my dad lent me the money at 2.9% - the same rate he gets from his ISAs right now).

Let’s generously assume that the insurance will be the same, nothing will go wrong that requires fixing with your 5 year old GTI and you will get servicing done as cheap as the VW 3 year pack you can get on your new GTD.

For you then, based on previous assumptions, regardless of who is picking up the tab on fuel:-

£10k GTI, add 48k miles and we’ll optimistically estimate it to be worth £4500 at the end:-

£5500 depreciation
£8480 fuel (35mpg @£1.35/L)
£780 tax
£400 ½ cost of tyres and brake pads all round

Total 3 year cost = £15159.


£11625 depreciation (based on your actual purchase cost and GFV which is lower than likely p/x value)

true depreciation is likely to be £10660, taking your GFV and dividing it by (0.9333 = the ratio of my GFV of 56% to likely actual p/x value of 60%). That car should be worth approx. £14500 in p/x with circa £50k on it vs £15500 I expect for mine with 30k miles on it (my GFV was 14400).

£5596 fuel (55mpg @£1.40/L)
£40 tax (2 x £20, first year is free)
No incidentals cost

Total 3 year cost = £17261 based on your GFV or £16296 based on a realistic future p/x value.

The difference there of £2102 (or £1137) over 3 years is pretty much all down to your options holding almost no value, or lack of discount (as I’m not sure what options you have apart from the satnav you mention). There is interest to consider if you have £10k to put down too.

You have to be doing 42mpg in the GTD for 15p a mile to pay for your fuel (easy). You’d get £1200 PA tax relief in 40% of the fuel differential (15p vs 45p) for 10k miles PA.
You have to be doing 34mpg in the GTI for 18p a mile to be paying for your fuel (not as easy). You’d get £1080 PA tax relief in 40% of the fuel differential (18p vs 45p) for 10k miles PA.
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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #43 on: 10 October 2013, 14:17 »
This is very impressive and MH is doing a fantastic job with all the specifics.  However, as I'm sure we all know, its not just a pure mathematical decision is it?  If it were we wouldn't be having this conversation as we'd all be in a Polo bluemotion.

Which car do you want and how bad?  When you know that you can judge if the cost is worth it.

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #44 on: 10 October 2013, 14:27 »
This is very impressive and MH is doing a fantastic job with all the specifics.  However, as I'm sure we all know, its not just a pure mathematical decision is it?  If it were we wouldn't be having this conversation as we'd all be in a Polo bluemotion.

Which car do you want and how bad?  When you know that you can judge if the cost is worth it.

If you take the money out of the equation I think nigh-on everyone would agree that a MK7 GTD will be a far better car to drive than a MK5 GTI (compare GTD with a MK7 GTI and we’re back talking about the financial figures again).

Far more composed with a nicer ride, far better handling, lots of equipment as standard (DAB, 18” wheels, Xenons, LEDs, hugely customisable interface, lots of safety kit etc), GTD being comparable in performance figures (in the GTDs favour when in motion) and far better in economy figures, arguably better looking, no unexpected costs to worry about (accidents excepted). The MK7 is a massive improvement over the MK5.

It is worth the wait Ricepop. Have back to back test drives in a MK5 GTI and a MK7 GTD and you will know the GTD is the one you want.
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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #45 on: 10 October 2013, 14:32 »
Hey Monkeyhanger, are you available for financial guidance hire?!  :grin:
Some great advice there.

Could be available soon for financial advice.

Not sure why I didn’t go into finance – I know the in’s and outs of everything I look into when going for a new mortgage deal or weighing up the pros and cons of finance. You can see the look of disdain on the mortgage advisors face when they try to sneak in a dodgy “insurance” policy or 2, or when Benfield try and add GAP and Autoglym onto the cost of a car by hiding it in the finance.
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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #46 on: 10 October 2013, 14:33 »
Carry on with this MH and you will make me want to order a GTD in addition to the GTI haha.

Saw your motor again this morning; still looking excellent.
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Offline Thornster

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #47 on: 10 October 2013, 14:46 »
Has anyone mentioned any major mechniacal failing of the GTI (bearing in mind the projected 16k/year plus the current mileage total) will be at the owners cost, vs a new GTD within warrenty for the first 3 years/60k.

Sorry if it has already been mentioned.
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Offline Bill_the_Bear

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #48 on: 10 October 2013, 14:51 »
Has anyone mentioned any major mechniacal failing of the GTI (bearing in mind the projected 16k/year plus the current mileage total) will be at the owners cost, vs a new GTD within warrenty for the first 3 years/60k.

Sorry if it has already been mentioned.

Has been mentioned, but no harm mentioning again.  I doubt it is particularly likely though.  I've never had major failure of any vehicle I've owned regardless of age.  My dad's very ancient Saab eventually had its gearbox go bang and Saab wanted £3k to replace.  A local Saab expert did it for £500.  Thats the only incident I can think of.  Of course if you bought a car just out of warranty and the engine blows up its a nightmare, but the chances of it happening are very very low.

@MH, Sorry, I wasn't suggesting a mk5 GTI is more desirable than a mk7 GTD.  But Ricepop might feel having the car with no baggage and right now is preferable to waiting for a GTD that might annoy him all the time he owns it.  Personally like you I would wait for the GTD given these options, but one size doesn't fit all etc etc...

Offline MajorKhan

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Re: Cancelling
« Reply #49 on: 10 October 2013, 15:01 »
Result...spoke to a very nice lady @VW customer service on Friday, asked if she could confirm BW as only provisional whilst I was talking I mentioned that I really I need the vehicle mid Nov, gave my order no. Call ed me back today and advise my car will be in the uk mid Dec at the earliest maybe delays due to christmas but will be willing to order me a car to drive until mine arrives...she quotes" Sir when would you like this courtesy vehicle..my answer well mid Nov..she answer: its not 20 weeks at that point but im willing to arrange this for you..
Great service now it means I do not need to PX my car, I can get the courtesy car and put mine in the paper and get  decent money...im saving already!!!!
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