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Offline jaydubveedub

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #40 on: 27 July 2010, 07:55 »
I love my manual GTI but having driven it for over a year, I think I would go for DSG next time.

When 'pressing on' I think I would be able to cover ground more quickly with the DSG and paddles, as I could concentrate on my braking and lines rather than nailing the heel-and-toe down changes.

You can't actually brake and accelerate at the same time on modern DBW cars (unless you get it enabled via a custom remap).

You can't whilst the clutch is engaged, but what you can do it blip the throttle with your heel whilst braking whilst the clutch is depressed.
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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #41 on: 28 July 2010, 17:39 »
I got a manual because I couldn't afford a DSG one


Snap  :cry:, but I will defo check out the GTI with a DSG for next year (come on new high paying job!!!)

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #42 on: 28 July 2010, 18:56 »
WIth DSG does it change up for you even if you dont choose too.

So say if your in first and boot it to the red line, would it change up or bounce of the limiter like a manual car till you change up with the padal?

Offline JulesS3

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #43 on: 28 July 2010, 19:01 »
It will change still, you can alter it with a remap though.

Offline weston

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #44 on: 28 July 2010, 19:22 »
It won't if you have it in manual and use the paddles or the sequential gearstick.

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #45 on: 28 July 2010, 19:28 »
In the interests of protecting the engine...yes...DSG will change up for you when you hit the red line...even when in manual mode.

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #46 on: 28 July 2010, 19:31 »
In the interests of protecting the engine...yes...DSG will change up for you when you hit the red line...even when in manual mode.

Its all very well. Ive only driven a manual mk5 gti. I like auto for traffic jams and going slow up hills in traffic. I like the idea of it being able to change gear fast. But i dont like the idea that it changes up for you when i might want to stretch out the gears to the limit in a bit of fun driving.

Can that be cured in a remap?

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #47 on: 28 July 2010, 19:41 »
Mikester,

The gear you are in will be stretched out to the limit before the DSG automatically upshifts for you...rather that than bouncing off the limiter or blowing up your engine...and it will still change gear faster than you can.

From wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

Manual mode
Additionally, the floor shift lever also has another plane of operation, for manual[3][5] mode, with spring-loaded "+" and "−" positions. This plane is selected by moving the stick away from the driver (in vehicles with the driver's seat on the right, the lever is pushed to the left, and in left-hand drive cars, the stick is pushed to the right) when in "D" mode only. When this plane is selected, the DSG can now be controlled like a manual gearbox, albeit only under a sequential shift pattern.

The readout in the instrument display changes to 6 5 4 3 2 1, and just like the automatic modes, the currently used gear ratio is highlighted or emboldened. To change up a gear, the lever is pushed forward (against a spring pressure) towards the "+", and to change down, the lever is pulled rearward towards the "−". The DSG transmission can now be operated with the gear changes being (primarily) determined by the driver. This method of operation is commonly called "tiptronic".[2] In the interests of engine preservation, when accelerating in Manual/tiptronic mode, the DSG will still automatically change up just before the redline, and when decelerating, it will change down automatically at very low revs, just before the engine idle speed (tickover). Furthermore, if the driver calls for a gear when it is not appropriate (e.g.: requesting a downshift when engine speed is near the redline) the DSG will not change to the driver's requested gear.[3]

Current variants of the DSG will still downshift to the lowest possible gear ratio when the kick-down button is activated during full throttle whilst in manual mode. However, on vehicles equipped with steering wheel mounted paddle shifters, if the "+" paddle on the right side of the steering wheel is acitvated and held before the kick-down button is activated (and continued to be held), the DSG will not downshift, and will simply perform a full-throttle acceleration in whatever gear was previously being utilised.

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #48 on: 28 July 2010, 19:44 »
Looking at a Porsche 911 of the first watercooled vintage.  Many of them have knackered oil seals/engines.  All the knackered ones were manuals.  Speaking to a mechanic at Parker and Parker he said many of the doddery old owners catch a wrong gear and over rev the engine, which can't be done with the auto box.

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Re: D.S.G...........Why ?
« Reply #49 on: 29 July 2010, 21:18 »
because it the most high tech gear box you can get did it for me. As bloke I like to know that this aspect of the car is on the cutting edge of tech.