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Re: harness advice
« Reply #30 on: 22 June 2010, 14:32 »
Sorry, 

I appear to have hijacked this thread!  :lipsrsealed:

Leroy when you get round to ordering materiels give me a bell and we'll see what can be done.

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #31 on: 22 June 2010, 14:35 »
Sorry, 

I appear to have hijacked this thread!  :lipsrsealed:

Leroy when you get round to ordering materiels give me a bell and we'll see what can be done.

Jon

no probs m8 its helping me out so not fussed i used to make cages out of scaffold tube but it bloody heavy lol

just spoke to local metal supplier he said he got 32mm x 2 mm thick £30 for a 7.5 metre length didnt think was to bad but would it be upto the job

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #32 on: 22 June 2010, 14:43 »
If i remember correctly the "Blue Book" says that it hs to be Cold Drawn Carbon Steel and at least 45x2.4mm or 50x2mm so 32x2 wouldn't meet that.  Now I am not going to race mine, so I don't have to meet the MSA regs, but try tp use them as a guide as they represent best practice.

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #33 on: 22 June 2010, 14:48 »
If i remember correctly the "Blue Book" says that it hs to be Cold Drawn Carbon Steel and at least 45x2.4mm or 50x2mm so 32x2 wouldn't meet that.  Now I am not going to race mine, so I don't have to meet the MSA regs, but try tp use them as a guide as they represent best practice.


tru m8 but then im only doin track days never goin to race it either so i dunno will have to find out on that one

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #34 on: 22 June 2010, 14:51 »
A fraction dated but some good info on here:

http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202315

For my own purposes I would rather use more of a lighter material, ie more triangualtion and more fixing points, than less of a heavier one, if that makes sence!  I think that any cage should tie in all four turret tops, the floor, A & B pillars and under the dash as a minimum.  Cross bracing and triangualtion then on top f that, oh and a harness bar of course!   :rolleyes:

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #35 on: 22 June 2010, 14:55 »
cds is about 3 time the price  :cry:

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #36 on: 22 June 2010, 15:05 »
I guess the question is "what do you want to achieve with your cage?"  In my case it is not to race the car it is to stiffen the shell to eliminate any chassis flex and to add some safety by creating a solid mounting point to the harnesses and by the creation of a passenger cell.  In this instance, and note I will only be using the car on track days not racing, the chances of lateral impact are reduced.  In fact today i am relying on the original shell to ptovide all of my protection so anything I can do to improve this is a bonus. 

NOTE: As long as it does improve the situation not make it worse.

To that end the question is what is the most cost effective method of achieving the gains required.  Now if this is by finding a mate who can weld effectivly and then sharing the labour costs to develop a cage from materiels less that specified in the "Blue Book" but confident that the quantity to the material and the positioning gains the requireed strenght then that has to be the way to go.  Now if that means that you use twice as much material then, in htis case as CDS is three times the price, then so be it.  I would simply add triangulation where necessary to ensure that I was happy with the result.

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #37 on: 22 June 2010, 15:12 »
yup see what ur saying like i said before i built cages out of scaffold poles but as u prob know  it doesnt really like being welded as its galvenised but saying that a couple of cars i put cages in had been rolled and my one had a door bar which i got hit in the side a quite a pace and none of them bent or cracked so thats a plus supose

im on the same sort of wave lenght here were i want to be safer but also want to make shell rigid but trying to do this on a budget may prove quite hard lol

here is what i was looking at tryin to copy if the link works

http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528//Assets/Products/Volkswagen%20Golf%20Mk3/vwgolfmk3cds.jpg

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #38 on: 22 June 2010, 15:18 »
I like the look of that, but would probably add a tube back from the rear turrets to the floor, and probably streight accross the rear turrets, although as I have a rear strut brace it might not be needed.

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Re: harness advice
« Reply #39 on: 22 June 2010, 15:19 »
I like the look of that, but would probably add a tube back from the rear turrets to the floor, and probably streight accross the rear turrets, although as I have a rear strut brace it might not be needed.

yer thats exactly what i was thinking  :wink: