finally got round to this last night and found the whine was because one of the amps on my subs had part fallen off so the RCA's were resting against the live wire.
so nice having that gone!! currently held in place with a bouncy ball.....

the rattle is only when the stereo is on but is there when the music is paused as well i think.......
is there a way to check the speakers without getting another set as i don't have a spare set and don't know of anyone with some......
if they are blown can anyone suggest a decent set?
Phil